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    Your Pick: SJ FSR Expert vs Evo 29er???

    If it was your pick what would you get and why:

    Stumpjumper FSR Expert Carbon 29er VS. Stumpjumper FSR Expert EVO 29er?

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    EVO

    The EVO fits my riding style.

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    fsr works great in midwest - if I lived in the mountains an evo would be my choice

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    Thanks, no mountains where I'm at, just man made trail parks.

    Biggest mountain is 20 feet...lol

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    I like my stumpjumper fsr better than my old epic "2011" because it handles rock gardens and gnar better .... but Wisconsin is kind of flat so there you go

    are hills are short and steep and the bike climbs great

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    SPECS ON BOTH BIKES

    Expert:
    FRAMEFACT IS 10m carbon front triangle and carbon seatstays, M5 alloy chainstays, tapered HT, carbon PF30 BB, ISCG 05, internal Command Post routing, 142mm dropouts, sealed cartridge bearing pivots, replaceable derailleur hanger, 140mm travel
    REAR SHOCKFOX/Specialized remote Brain with AUTOSAG, inertia valve w/Trail Tune, BrainFade adjust, 194x48mm
    FORKFOX TALAS CTD Performance 29, air spring, tapered steerer, Climb, Trail, Descend settings and reb adj., 15mm thru-axle, 130/105mm travel
    HEADSET1-1/8 and 1-1/2" threadless, Campy style upper with 1-1/2" lower, cartridge bearings
    STEMSpecialized XC Trail, 6061 alloy, 4-bolt, 6-degree rise, 31.8mm
    HANDLEBARSSpecialized XC Mini-Riser, 7050 butted alloy, 720mm wide, 10mm rise, 10-degree backsweep, 6-degree upsweep, 31.8mm
    GRIPSSpecialized Sip Grip, half-waffle aramid-infused, S/M: Regular, Others: XL thickness
    FRONT BRAKECustom Formula T1, hydraulic disc, metallic pad, S/M:180mm rotor, Others: 200mm rotor
    REAR BRAKECustom Formula T1, hydraulic disc, metallic pad, S/M: 160mm rotor, Others: 180mm rotor
    BRAKE LEVERSCustom Formula T1 hydraulic, tool-less FCS and reach adj., SRAM compatible MiXmaster shifter mounts
    FRONT DERAILLEURSRAM X7, 10-speed, S3 direct mount for DMD, bottom pull
    REAR DERAILLEURSRAM X0 Type 2, 10-speed, mid cage
    SHIFT LEVERSSRAM X9, 10-speed, trigger, w/MatchMaker clamp
    CASSETTE SRAM PG-1050, 10-speed, 11-36
    CHAINKMC X10, nickel plate, reusable Missing Link
    CRANKSETCustom SRAM carbon S-2200, 10-speed XC Trail double w/ carbon guard, PF30 spindle, removable spider, S: 170mm, Others: 175mm
    CHAINRINGS36/22, w/ carbon guard
    BOTTOM BRACKET SRAM PF30, OS press-in bearing, sealed cartridge
    PEDALSResin Test Ride Pedals with toe clips, CEN std.
    RIMSRoval Control Trail 29, alloy disc, 26mm, 32h
    FRONT HUBRoval Control Trail 29, 15mm thru-axle end caps, 32h
    REAR HUBRoval Control Trail 29 142+, DT Swiss alloy cassette body, 12mm thru-axle, 32h
    SPOKESDT Swiss Super Comp, 2.0/1.5/2.0mm stainless
    FRONT TIRESpecialized Purgatory Control, 2Bliss Ready, 60TPI, aramid bead, dual-compound, 29x2.3"
    REAR TIRESpecialized Ground Control, 2Bliss Ready, 60TPI, aramid bead, 29x2.3"
    INNER TUBESUltralight presta
    SADDLEBody Geometry Henge Comp, hollow Cr-Mo rails, 143mm

    EVO:
    FRAMEFACT IS 9m carbon front triangle, 29" EVO geometry, M5 alloy rear triangle, tapered HT, PF30 BB, ISCG 05, internal Command Post routing, 142mm dropouts, sealed cartridge bearing pivots, replaceable derailleur hanger, 135mm travel
    REAR SHOCKCustom FOX Float CTD Factory with AUTOSAG and Boost Valve, Climb, Trail, Descend settings and rebound adj., 194x48mm
    FORKFOX 34 TALAS CTD Performance 29, air spring, tapered alloy steerer, Climb, Trail, Descend settings and reb adj., 15mm thru-axle, 140/110mm travel
    HEADSET1-1/8 and 1-1/2" threadless, Campy style upper with 1-1/2" lower, cartridge bearings
    STEMSpecialized XC Trail, 6061 alloy, 4-bolt, 6-degree rise, 31.8mm
    HANDLEBARSSpecialized XC Mini-Riser, 7050 butted alloy, 720mm wide, 10mm rise, 10-degree backsweep, 6-degree upsweep, 31.8mm
    GRIPSSpecialized Sip Grip, half-waffle aramid-infused, S/M: Regular, Others: XL thickness
    FRONT BRAKECustom Avid X0 Trail World Cup, 4-piston caliper, alloy backed semi-metal pad, S/M:180mm rotor, Others: 200mm rotor
    REAR BRAKECustom Avid X0 Trail World Cup, 4-piston caliper, alloy backed semi-metal pad, S/M:160mm rotor, Others: 180mm rotor
    BRAKE LEVERSCustom Avid X0, carbon blade, tool-less reach adj. w/MatchMaker clamp
    FRONT DERAILLEURSRAM X7, 10-speed, S3 direct mount for DMD, bottom pull
    REAR DERAILLEURSRAM X0 Type 2, 10-speed, mid cage
    SHIFT LEVERSSRAM X9, 10-speed, trigger, w/MatchMaker clamp
    CASSETTE SRAM PG-1050, 10-speed, 11-36
    CHAINKMC X10, nickel plate, reusable Missing Link
    CRANKSETCustom SRAM carbon S-2200, 10-speed XC Trail double, PF30 spindle, removable spider, Gamut bash guard, S: 170mm, Others: 175mm
    CHAINRINGS
    BOTTOM BRACKET SRAM PF30, OS press-in bearing, sealed cartridge
    PEDALSResin Test Ride Pedals with toe clips, CEN std.
    RIMSRoval Traverse 29, alloy disc, 28mm, 32h
    FRONT HUBRoval Traverse 29, 20mm thru-axle end caps, 32h
    REAR HUBRoval Traverse 142+, 12mm thru-axle, 32h
    SPOKESDT Swiss Super Comp, 2.0/1.65/1.8 stainless
    FRONT TIRESpecialized Butcher Control, 2Bliss Ready, 60TPI, aramid bead, dual-compound, 29x2.3"
    REAR TIRESpecialized Purgatory Control, 2Bliss Ready, 60TPI, aramid bead, dual-compound, 29x2.3"

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    the evo head angle makes the bike more stable down hill but also makes it steer slower in the tight trail. if your downhilling more evo if your in twistys more non evo.
    05 Raleigh M80 sold
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    10 Stumpy Expert Carbon HT 29er sold
    13 Stumpy FSR Elite "Yellow Jacket"

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    TO hefeweizan WHAT WAS YOUR DECISION???

    So to the OP , did you eventually decide on which bike? Did you buy? I am curious because I also just went through the exact same internal debate.

    I finally decided on the 2013 SJ Expert Carbon 29er
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    I can always get a COMP shock if I don't like the Brain.
    I only give up 5mm (0.196 inches) travel (130mm Expert - 135mm EVO)
    Both have ISCG 05 tabs
    Both have Dropper Post
    I am getting a great deal on the SJ expert carbon ($4500 plus tax), the EVO would have been $6400.

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    Just went for the EVO myself. Love the paint job and I really wanted to try something without brain this time. For my kind of riding I could have used both the Expert and the EVO. TBH I am a bit dissapointed about the specs of both bikes. They are quite pricey. Will most likely swap out my fork with a kashima

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    Quote Originally Posted by pondus343 View Post
    Just went for the EVO myself. Love the paint job and I really wanted to try something without brain this time. For my kind of riding I could have used both the Expert and the EVO. TBH I am a bit dissapointed about the specs of both bikes. They are quite pricey. Will most likely swap out my fork with a kashima
    Agree about the fork, but which version of the EVO did you get? Is it the Carbon EVO? The EVO comes with a 34mm fork, the standard Expert Carbon fork is 32mm. I will need to ride it for a few weeks before deciding if it's not stiff enough. Also , the brakes, handlebars, and cassette could be higher spec'd for the price. Brakes should be Shimano XT at a minimum. I have an XT set on my 2011 SJ, probably just going to swap those with the Formulas, and install my old EC90 carbon bar too. I will also rebuild the wheelset using my Chris King ISO hubs, my front is already 15mm, and I can convert my rear 9mm QR to 12mm axle for a few bucks.

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    Went for the EVO Expert. Changing the fork. The brakes on it are awesome. New sram x0 trail edition. Another reason why I went for the EVO is because I wanted Fox 34 up front. Imo 34mm fork is the way to go on 29" trail bikes

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    Quote Originally Posted by pondus343 View Post
    Went for the EVO Expert. Changing the fork. The brakes on it are awesome. New sram x0 trail edition. Another reason why I went for the EVO is because I wanted Fox 34 up front. Imo 34mm fork is the way to go on 29" trail bikes
    What in your opinion is the difference between the 32 & 34 ??

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    Stiffness. You can argue that other factors such as wheels, axle size etc also affects this, but after riding my friends bike with a Fox Float 34 I was very impressed. I wouldn't say that the 32mm forks are bad (I have been riding them myself for 4 years) but I can't see why you would want it on a 29'er with the indended use for trail riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by pondus343 View Post
    Stiffness. You can argue that other factors such as wheels, axle size etc also affects this, but after riding my friends bike with a Fox Float 34 I was very impressed. I wouldn't say that the 32mm forks are bad (I have been riding them myself for 4 years) but I can't see why you would want it on a 29'er with the indended use for trail riding.
    Thanks for that.

    I purchased the Stumpjumper FSR Expert Carbon 29er, only because the Evo model is not being imported into the UK. However, I have used an offset bolt on the shock to slacken off the bike a bit similar to that of the EVO.

    I have been debating at some time in the future to demo (if possible) a Fox 34 fork on the bike to compare the difference before splashing out another loads of when my current fork is still so new.

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    34mm Fork instead of 32mm

    Thanks for the reply, I will have to ride mine a few times before making the decision to change the fork ($$$). Also hoping the new (+2012) Brain works better at low/slow bump sensitivity (technical climbs).

    The Expert Carbon non-EVO has a Fox 32mm 130-105mm custom OE Fox TALAS, but the aftermarket Fox TALAS 34mm is 140-110mm. Wonder if that changes anything at all. It's just about 8% increase in travel and would slacken the head tube angle by nearly nothing.

    The EVO gets TALAS 150-120mm. But it has 150mm rear travel so it's a balanced spec.

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    I was in the same position as you guys. Looked at both the non-EVO and the EVO. I wanted the Fox 34 fork on my bike and wanted a bike without brain this time (bare in mind that the brain is awesome for climbing) However I had allready made up my mind about riding with the 34 so it would either be the expert carbon 29 where I change the fork, or the EVO. If you decide to go for the Fox 34 you could just sell your stock fork and get a decent amount of money for it. Keep in mind that your fork will drop in price if you use it a lot.

    Here's an example:
    Sell stock fork, 30% off
    Buy Fox 34 Talas/Float 140mm

    About the Fox 34 having 140mm of travel, don't worry. From what I know you can easily fit a spacer in the fork to lower the suspension. For example the Yeti SB-95 comes with the Fox 34 at 120mm. As mentioned this fork originally comes with 140mm of travel but Yeti has installed a spacer in the ones they sell. Your LBS could possibly help you out here

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    Two comments:

    John - the 32 and 34 series have different crown heights so going from a 130 32 fork to a 140 34 fork is more than a 10mm height difference, probably more like 20mm. Rule of thumb is a 1 degree HA change for every 20mm. You can check my 10mm crown height assumption somewhere here in this forum, its just a rough guess.

    Pondus - You are correct in that you can space down the Fox 34 floats but you cannot space down a Fox 34 Talas. That said, the new 2013 float CTD's can only be spaced down 10mm to 130mm whereas the 2012 floats could be spaced down to 120mm like on the Yeti's. The difference between the 2012 and 2013's that limits th spacing ability is the larger air chaimbers on the 2013's to give the more linear feel.

    Hope that helps.

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    I spaced a 2013 Float CTD 34mm down to 120mm using seven, 3mm thick x 20mm ID O-rings on the damper side.

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    Thanks for your input smithrider. Was not aware of the difference between the 12 and the 13 model.

    When it comes to forks it's all about preferences. It's difficult for me to tell how the 32 performs on the expert 29 when I havent tested it my selv. Try the fork before you make up your mind

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    Gentlemen,

    I've tested both the 32 Talas and now have the 34 Float on my FSR 29er....my impressions:

    Stiffness: 34 clearly has the advantage but only when its comes to breaking stiffness. Turning and side to side out of the saddle stiffness feels the same.

    Responsiveness: the 32 is definitely snappier but buy a hair and I put this down to the 34 slackening my bike off by a whole degree from 69 to 68. This is exactly what I expected given the crown to axel measurement difference of 20mm. The 32 (130mm) measured 54cm and the 34 (140mm) measured 56cm.

    Trail Feel: the 34 Float is just miles ahead. It's nice and plush in descend mode, trail mode (Firm setting) is excellent and the mode I would ride in most of the time, Climb is well, climb which is nice but only needed if you out of the saddle a lot on smooth hard pack forest roads otherwise Trail mode is more than sufficient

    My 10 cents: for those who want a slacker head angle, a plusher ride and ride trails with hard hits, then go for a 34 Float Fork. For those who ride a lot of smooth trails and weight is everything, then stick with a 32 with Talas option which I personally find an overkill on a 29er bike.

    To prove that the 32 mm fork performs, see my Stumpi FSR 29er action thread
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    2012 > IBIS Mojo HD > Can do it all, up, over, down, under...just everything
    2013 > Stumpjumper FSR 29er > New Trail Rocket

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    I am hoping my bike comes in next week (it had to be ordered because it's a small) , but if the snow remains on the ground here I won't get the chance to ride it for a while. In the meantime I am going to sell or part out my 2004 Stumpjumper FSR (I've been lazy about that). I don't want to commit to selling my 2011 Stumpy Elite until I get at least a half dozen rides on the the 2013.

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    Stop spreading those porr pics PEDI!

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    My FSR Expert 29er

    I went with the Expert Carbon 29er with the 32 Talas and at 190 lbs with gear I am impressed with the stiffness of the fork. My rides ranges from smooth cross country to rocky and technical Colorado goodness. What I notice the most is how well the 29 inch wheels seem to shrink the trail obstacles. I have not tried the 34 fork so I cannot compare or contrast. I can say that the new Roval Control Trail SL 29 wheels I just put on make it easier to get to the top of the hill so I can enjoy the way down!
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    Quote Originally Posted by John View Post
    So to the OP , did you eventually decide on which bike? Did you buy? I am curious because I also just went through the exact same internal debate.

    I finally decided on the 2013 SJ Expert Carbon 29er
    Reasons:

    I can always get a COMP shock if I don't like the Brain.
    I only give up 5mm (0.196 inches) travel (130mm Expert - 135mm EVO)
    Both have ISCG 05 tabs
    Both have Dropper Post
    I am getting a great deal on the SJ expert carbon ($4500 plus tax), the EVO would have been $6400.
    I went with the Expert Carbon 29er. I like the brain that I had before on the Epic. The bike has been great so far. Changed the dropper pot to a carbon post and made some money back. Also added a carbon handlebar. By far the best change I have made has been the Racing Ralph tires...highly recommended....

    Let me know if you have any other questions, I apologize for not getting back to you sooner....

    Mike

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    That is a really great price by the way!

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