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    who else uses FSR?

    i know of some brands that have licensed it from Specialized... who are the others?

    -Fuji
    -Norco (VPS)
    -Azonic
    -Turner (ends dec.)

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    I believe Ellsworth does although they somehow get away with not paying Specialized for it.
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    Titus also

    I also think Titus does (at least for the Racer X). By buddy has one and it's got the FSR sticker on the chainstay.

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    Ells has the ICT patent. i don't know if it infringes on FSR.

    it doesn't seem to me that the Ells suspension is FSR... isn't the patent on the Horst link anyway?

    FWIH, Turner is going through some major crap after not paying their royalties to Ells for ICT and to Specialized for Horst. local shop here dropped them when they found out.

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    Look closely at the rear of a Ellsworth bike. Yes that is a Horst link.
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    Quote Originally Posted by revmonkey
    i know of some brands that have licensed it from Specialized... who are the others?

    -Fuji
    -Norco (VPS)
    -Azonic
    -Turner (ends dec.)
    Kestrel
    Giant

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    Giant dosen't use the FSR design. They are using a VPP design ATM.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197
    Giant dosen't use the FSR design. They are using a VPP design ATM.
    Its for the NRS, see note on bottom of the page:
    http://www.giantbicycles.com/us/050....50.500.050.asp

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197
    Giant dosen't use the FSR design. They are using a VPP design ATM.
    Actually, Giant doesn't use VPP. They tried to copy VPP for their Maestro design but Santa Cruz stopped, and then the Maestro is a DW-Link copy.

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    I think Scott uses a type of FSR on one of their models. In fact, they can only sell it outside the US because they refuse to pay Specialized.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SabbathU71
    I think Scott uses a type of FSR on one of their models. In fact, they can only sell it outside the US because they refuse to pay Specialized.
    Its for their Genius bike.

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    Actually, I think that Specialized is the only one that 'names' that design FSR (which means Future Shock Rear ), and the companies that are paying for the licence name it Horst.

    Some people uses 4 bar for a Horst, but that's incorrect. I think that what makes the Horst link is the pivot near the rear dropout, not that it has 4 bars. And there are bikes that have 4 bars that are not a Horst design.

    Titus uses the Horst design for I think all it's full suspension bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SabbathU71
    I think Scott uses a type of FSR on one of their models. In fact, they can only sell it outside the US because they refuse to pay Specialized.

    actually specialized won't let them sell it because they fear it would tap into their market.

    I'm wondering if the fsr patent is just a bunch of marketing? Making everyone believe it's the end all design.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xl_cheese
    actually specialized won't let them sell it because they fear it would tap into their market.

    I'm wondering if the fsr patent is just a bunch of marketing? Making everyone believe it's the end all design.
    I think that almost all designers try to sell their 'design' as the ultimate do-it-all-no-problem-with-mine design.

    Maybe Spec. fears, or maybe not, but as long as they have the patent they can do it.

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    Devinci does out side of the US. I think that Muddy Fox and several other Europe brands copied the horst link. Iron Horse used to, but all of their big bikes went to the dw link.

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    It's a little diferent

    Quote Originally Posted by Kona0197
    Look closely at the rear of a Ellsworth bike. Yes that is a Horst link.
    A typical horst link is in front of and below the axel. The Els is in front of it but it looks to be almost level with the axel. I don't know if this is how they got around the horst patened or not but it is a little diferent.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Johnny Hair Boy
    A typical horst link is in front of and below the axel. The Els is in front of it but it looks to be almost level with the axel. I don't know if this is how they got around the horst patened or not but it is a little diferent.
    Ellsworth uses the ICT design, but I *think* that it does use the Horst link. I don't know if they pay Specialized for it.

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    Other HL bikes I've seen:

    KHS
    Avent - Boost frame with 4-6" travel (gone for 2006 though)
    Craftwork Cycles
    Chumba Wumba - used to make a 4" cross country frame. I'm sure of this because I've seen the Chumba wumba guy riding it around OC at times.

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