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    Is their old stuff better than the new stuff?

    Hi guys,

    I'm looking into getting a new frame/bike fairly soon and trying to do all my homework beforehand... I currently focus on xc work but am a bit bigger guy (about 100kgs/220lbs) so I'd prefer to get a bit more 'burly' bike (or are the Epics pretty capable of handling my lard-arse). I currently run top shelf components on my hardtail but it will be getting largely retired when the new steed arrives. (basically no preference as to complete bike over a frame purchase)

    I am looking at the 2006 enduro s-works frame (purely because I can get a brand new one here for 30% of retail), the 2008 stumpy expert completes and the Epic completes and was thinking more so that the SJ/Epic would be the better bike as it has the brain type rear shock and would be better suited to the climbing. After reading a few threads on here though about the specialised shocks I am not so sure!? I really do not want to buy something that is likely to give me problems and am happy to buy 2nd hand...

    Would I be better off getting the enduro with it's fairly straight-forward rear shock, the SJ/Epic or looking into the 2nd hand market for something with the fox rear shock (epics mostly)?

    Sorry if this is a vague question, I am finding it difficult to explain my question, feel free to ask me specifics if you think you can help!

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    given the price opportunity with that Enduro and that it is a pretty stout frame...I'd pull the trigger on it (if trailriding is your only goal and a bit of weight is not an issue)

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    what makes you think 220lbs is heavy? my room mate rides an 08 epic carbon, he is 6'3 210 and he's skinny as a rail, a smaller frame is only going to be stronger, so thinking you're going to be too heavy for it no matter how tall you are is just plain wrong.

    also you're saying "I am looking for an XC bike, but I can get this super-heavy all-mountain frame that totally does NOT suit my needs for 30% off" here's an idea, DON'T GET SOMETHING BECAUSE ITS CHEAP EVEN THOUGH IT IS NOT WHAT YOU NEED.

    you say you are looking at this enduro, and the SJ competes and the epic competes, NO THEY DO NOT they are not competitors, they are not meant to be competitors, they are for different things which is why the same company makes them and sells them all at once.

    if you're riding xc and like aggressive (handlebars below seat level) positioning get the epic, if you are riding mainly xc but like to sit up a little bit more, with the handlebar about the same height as the seat or a little higher, get the SJ FSR.

    DO NOT GET A PRE 2007 non-SL enduro for cross-country use because it is inexpensive.

    after reading a few threads you're not sure about specialized shocks? they have no more problems than any other shock company, and they have a full 3 year warranty that I've used and seen other people use. i've sent more stuff back to fox for loose steer-tube/crown joints and being stuck down than specialized shocks.

    my most recent MTBs so you know where I'm coming from, and that i'm not just talking out of my butt.
    -2006 SJ FSR Comp
    -2006 Epic Rim
    -2007 Enduro SL Comp
    -2008 Giant Trance X1

    and 2 guys at my shop have 2005 and 2006 enduro s-works frames built up differently, so I've ridden that frame too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wagon boy
    Hi guys,

    I'm looking into getting a new frame/bike fairly soon and trying to do all my homework beforehand... I currently focus on xc work but am a bit bigger guy (about 100kgs/220lbs) so I'd prefer to get a bit more 'burly' bike (or are the Epics pretty capable of handling my lard-arse). I currently run top shelf components on my hardtail but it will be getting largely retired when the new steed arrives. (basically no preference as to complete bike over a frame purchase)

    I am looking at the 2006 enduro s-works frame (purely because I can get a brand new one here for 30% of retail), the 2008 stumpy expert completes and the Epic completes and was thinking more so that the SJ/Epic would be the better bike as it has the brain type rear shock and would be better suited to the climbing. After reading a few threads on here though about the specialised shocks I am not so sure!? I really do not want to buy something that is likely to give me problems and am happy to buy 2nd hand...

    Would I be better off getting the enduro with it's fairly straight-forward rear shock, the SJ/Epic or looking into the 2nd hand market for something with the fox rear shock (epics mostly)?

    Sorry if this is a vague question, I am finding it difficult to explain my question, feel free to ask me specifics if you think you can help!
    That enduro is a pretty sweet bike-it would be my first choice (and yes, in some cases, I think some models of specialized bikes were nicer in 2006 than today-just my opinion). The only thing I would say is that for a bike that probably has one of the highest mark-ups and now a 2-year leftover... they should give you better than 30% off of retail. My bud just got the enduro expert from 06/07 and he paid $2000...Isn't that like close to 40% off? I don't know... without the old retail prices, I am not sure.
    You better just go ahead and drop that seatpost down to the reflector... the trail gets pretty rough down there.

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    Wow mikebowyer, thanks for that reply, big kick in the right direction!

    I know 220lbs isn't 'overly' big but i still feel like one of the bigger guys on the trails I see and ride frequently. Probably more a psychological thing than anything else..

    I currently ride quite a small frame designed more for 4X style riding (24seven crosser) and I am finding myself a little cramped, but I love the feeling I get with very little flex under me from the small frame. A lot of the roadies near me are riding quite small frames these days due to the increased stiffness so I am all for a more robust feel. I have just been a little scared off by mates riding carbon and high end xc race bikes that come with weight limits and such. That's the only reason I was thinking the enduro may be a more suitable bike.

    [edit: I know that the expert isn't really that fragile, it's just the only other dually I have owned was a SC Bullit and I hated it for it's inefficiency - everything xc specific feels like a race bike]

    It's great to hear from someone else who is involved with the bikes in question, I really appreciate your response!

    My position at the moment is sorta level between bar and stem but I was unsure about how it would differ when going to a rear shock. So basically I am down to choosing between the stumpy and the epic. Geo between the two seems pretty similar and I have ridden a '08 stumpy and found it much better than the giant trance X0. I'll have a bit more of a chat to my mate at the LBS and maybe get one out for a longer demo. Thanks again

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Six Pack
    That enduro is a pretty sweet bike-it would be my first choice (and yes, in some cases, I think some models of specialized bikes were nicer in 2006 than today-just my opinion). The only thing I would say is that for a bike that probably has one of the highest mark-ups and now a 2-year leftover... they should give you better than 30% off of retail. My bud just got the enduro expert from 06/07 and he paid $2000...Isn't that like close to 40% off? I don't know... without the old retail prices, I am not sure.
    30% of retail. The frame retails over here for $2999 and they will do it for $999

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    Quote Originally Posted by Uncle Six Pack
    for a bike that probably has one of the highest mark-ups
    you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.

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    i would take a long hard look at the 2008 stumpjumper if you like your handlebar at the same height as your seat, the epic carbon next to me has a 1.5" drop to the handlebar with the stem pointed straight up in the air, making your usable adjustment range with a variety of stems between 1" and 3" below your seat (if your proportions are the same as his, which are normal)

    30% of retail is a good deal, but it just reminds me of this story my dad told me about a jew in new york buying an elephant for his apartment because the salesman finally gave him a price he couldn't refuse.

    there should be no price someone could PAY YOU to ride the wrong bike for what suits you.

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    i'm gonna say that an enduro is a fabulous trailriding bike. i have spent the past year and a half on an 05 enduro pro setup as a 2x9. i'm also building a stumpjumper pro as a 1x9 the older styles of stumpjumper are a very burly bike for their intended use.

    i've had the privilege of riding just about every bike in the spec lineup the past 3 years and can honestly say that i find the enduro SL and new 08 stumpjumper designs to be a step backwards.

    my size l enduro tips the scales at 32 pounds, and while some people consider that heavy, for someone 220# is is proportionally lighter than the 160# rider on the 29 pound bike. and that's a claimed weight for the SL, not an actual.

    i'd recommend the 05-07 150mm series enduro to anyone who wants a bike that can do anything the trail throws at them. i've beat serious riders on hardtails up the climbs in the middle ring and taken it freeriding at diablo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikebowyer
    they have a full 3 year warranty that I've used and seen other people use.

    Its a 5 year warranty now

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    Quote Originally Posted by mikebowyer
    you have absolutely no idea what you are talking about.
    WOW, great attack. Sorry, you must have had a bad day-go for a ride.

    Are you trying to tell me that any other bike in the Specialized line-up has a mark-up higher than S-Works Series? I doubt it.

    And boy, the "Jew story"... are you offering bike advice or trying to bait a stupid forum fight?

    To the OP:
    30% OF retail sounds great if you can finish the frame with a build that you like. It really would be a great bike. I ride the 06/07 Enduro Pro with no propedal on the DHX-A and Lyric Coil fork at full travel and I climb all the same hills that I do on my hardtail (just maybe a gear lower, sometimes A good build on that S-Works will come in a few pounds lighter than mine, yet still be burly enough to take to a bike park if you'd like.

    Good luck with the bike shopping!
    You better just go ahead and drop that seatpost down to the reflector... the trail gets pretty rough down there.

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    I love my 06/07 S-Works Enduro, and I use it for everything including a lot of XC. I've been on various full suspension bikes since '94 and it is by far the best all around ride I've ever had. Mine's around 31lbs right now and it could definitely be built up lighter. For racing I'd look at a lighter frame, but for just riding and having fun I think the previous generation of Enduro frames is hard to beat!

    And yeah... anti-semitic remarks really validate your opinion...

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