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    still looking for a coil shock for your '05/'06 enduro?

    cheap vanilla rc.
    send it to PUSH for a race tune

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    I got one of those for my Giant AC1 , they also have a bunch of other great deals on shocks that will fit other model/years , look at the whole close out closet, my old enduro would take one of the $14.95 alps air shocks they have.
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    Crap, is that price real? That is crazy.

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    No international shipping though

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    It says hardware may not be available. What hardware do you need? Im a little lost here, just picked up an 06 enduro expert a couple of days ago.

    Thanks,

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goose Ryder
    It says hardware may not be available. What hardware do you need? Im a little lost here, just picked up an 06 enduro expert a couple of days ago.

    Thanks,
    the only hardware needed would be the correct size mounting hardware/spacers to bolt the shock body to the shock shuttle. you can get these directly from fox, your LBS can order them, you could find them online or you could use the ones that are currently in your dhx-air.

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    Thanks that makes sense. What are the advantages / disadvantages with coil shocks vs my dhx 5.0 air?

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    is that stroke size going to work?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truckee Trash
    is that stroke size going to work?
    works like a charm
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    Hmmmm I was going to shell out the dinero for a DHX but. . . Are there any if's, and's, or but's?

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    Damn for 40 bucks you cant go wrong, what spring do I get if I weight 170lbs?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goose Ryder
    Damn for 40 bucks you cant go wrong, what spring do I get if I weight 170lbs?

    Thanks
    350 or 400.
    i'm running a 350 at 165 lbs but i like my suspension soft and run a bit more sag.
    spring rate calcs would probably say 400.

    it looks like they only have 500# and up left - not sure if there would be enough rebound adjustment range if you dropped the spring rate 100 - 150#.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truckee Trash
    Hmmmm I was going to shell out the dinero for a DHX but. . . Are there any if's, and's, or but's?
    if you want simplicity this shock is it.
    if you want more adjustments get the dhx.

    and yes, some people have had frame contact issues at full compression with the longer stroke - i didn't but had PUSH install a thicker bottom out bumper as a precaution.

    but remember that i can only compare this shock to the stock dhx air after sending it to PUSH as i never could ride it prior. it was valved for a much higher leveraged bike and heavier rider and was unusable until i had it tuned. that said i'm glad i did it - much better performance IMO than the stock dhx air. i have no idea how a stock rc would feel on these bikes.

    my rc is tuned with no internal "platform" damping and is running zero compression damping. even with the super soft compression settings the bike still pedals well for a 6" travel bike with active suspension.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goose Ryder
    Thanks that makes sense. What are the advantages / disadvantages with coil shocks vs my dhx 5.0 air?

    Justin
    the most common reason people were looking for coil shocks for their enduro's is the soft midstroke and lack of bottom out air pressure adjust on the '06's with the dhx-air. the '05 owners were blowing up 5th element air shocks seemingly regularly and wanted something more reliable.

    advantages and disadvantages are somewhat personal. i wanted a coil shock because i didn't like the way the dhx-air sank into it's travel so easily and i've always liked the ride, feel and reliability of coil shocks. it's just my preference for longer travel bikes.

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    Thanks size for the info and recomendations, I will probley pick one up for when I hit up the slopes this summer. So far the bike has worked out pretty good for me.

    Justin

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    Quote Originally Posted by Goose Ryder
    Damn for 40 bucks you cant go wrong, what spring do I get if I weight 170lbs?

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    Go Here

    http://www.tftunedshox.com/springcalc.htm
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    are these guys a reputable dealer? Who's bought from them? 'Size, is this where you got your V-RC?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhSchitt
    are these guys a reputable dealer? Who's bought from them? 'Size, is this where you got your V-RC?
    no, i bought mine off ebay long ago. i have no first hand experience with this retailer but i've never heard anything bad about them either. i believe i've seen reference to them on these boards in the past.

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    is that a 700# spring? That would be a rock.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by OhSchitt
    are these guys a reputable dealer? Who's bought from them? 'Size, is this where you got your V-RC?
    I have bought from Bikeman several times, never had a problem
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    Quote Originally Posted by OhSchitt
    are these guys a reputable dealer? Who's bought from them? 'Size, is this where you got your V-RC?
    The deal is legit.. I bought one two weeks ago when the ad first hit MTBR. For the price I just couldn’t pass on the deal. I had to buy the 600# spring and once I installed the shock found it was way to much for my 220# riding weight. I have a 450# ordered and it should be here next Tuesday.

    Fitment was not a problem… I removed the spring, installed the shock, and verified there were no suspension linkages making contact with the frame. I did install the shuttle marked “Low” for the test fit. My frame is the 2007 Enduro Elite size M.

    Hope this helps,

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    would any of you ever concider running a Vanilla R? Not the RC

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    I picked a couple of these up.

    I'll be mounting it to my Enduro perhaps this evening. I'll be sure to post pictures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nagaredama
    I picked a couple of these up.

    I'll be mounting it to my Enduro perhaps this evening. I'll be sure to post pictures.
    That’s what I’m talking about, for the price buy’em in pairs!

    Just mounted my 450# spring today and the sag is perfect… some say the shock was setup internally for the 600# spring. But I have found the internals will work just fine with a 450# spring with no problems… I had to adjust the rebound and compression down as the speeds were just way to fast! Heading to the trails now, so I will try to post photos and give my first impressions later tonight.

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    what shock were you taking off the enduro? did you need any other sleeves/fit kits or did the two fox products swap over? What year/model enduro? what # spring?cant wait to see the pics and you impressions.


    Quote Originally Posted by Nagaredama
    I picked a couple of these up.

    I'll be mounting it to my Enduro perhaps this evening. I'll be sure to post pictures.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyag1
    That’s what I’m talking about, for the price buy’em in pairs!

    Just mounted my 450# spring today and the sag is perfect… some say the shock was setup internally for the 600# spring. But I have found the internals will work just fine with a 450# spring with no problems… I had to adjust the rebound and compression down as the speeds were just way to fast! Heading to the trails now, so I will try to post photos and give my first impressions later tonight.
    Pairs, ha I bought 3!. At $39.99 I know a new Vanilla RC will be worth something in the future.

    I weigh 220 and have a 500 spring. We'll see how it feels.

    I don't believe Fox matches their shocks to work with a particular weight springs. If the spring rate gets too high the rebound circuit might be able to control the rebound of the spring and need to be modified.

    At some point I'll send the shock to PUSH or take it apart and play around with the shims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by socalenduro
    what shock were you taking off the enduro? did you need any other sleeves/fit kits or did the two fox products swap over? What year/model enduro? what # spring?cant wait to see the pics and you impressions.
    I have a 06/07 Enduro Expert with the DHX Air.

    I haven't swapped the shock yet. From what I understand I will need to remove the DU bushing from the rebound end of the shock. All of the other hardware should swap right over. There shouldn't be any frame interference since I have an XL.

    My Vanilla RC has a 500 lb/in spring. The two other shocks I purchased have 700 lb/in springs.

    Maybe you can show my around Noble sometime and can take my bike for a test ride.

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    Anytime, that is a great bike for Noble as long as you dont mind a long slow climb to start the day.
    If you decide you dont really need 3 of those i would gladly take one off your hands, they sold out.
    Shoot me a PM if your in the area one weekend and want to ride Noble.

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    Unfortunately I couldn't find the parts to make a tool to remove the DU bushings from the Vanilla RC.

    I should be able to figure it out this week sometime.

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    I just got a vanilla r, so if you figure out a trick let me know. when i have mine in my hands ill do the same.

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    Quote Originally Posted by socalenduro
    I just got a vanilla r, so if you figure out a trick let me know. when i have mine in my hands ill do the same.
    Check this out.
    DIY DU Bushing Removal Tool

    I went to Home Depot to get all of the parts and found the 1/2" ID connector was too big (I took the shock with me). Normal 1/2" OD copper pipe was the right size but the cheapest piece I could find was around $5.

    Oddly enough my daughter found a 1/2" piece of copper pipe in the sand box at school and brought it home. Hopefully it will fit and I can press those bushings out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Nagaredama
    Check this out.
    DIY DU Bushing Removal Tool

    I went to Home Depot to get all of the parts and found the 1/2" ID connector was too big (I took the shock with me). Normal 1/2" OD copper pipe was the right size but the cheapest piece I could find was around $5.

    Oddly enough my daughter found a 1/2" piece of copper pipe in the sand box at school and brought it home. Hopefully it will fit and I can press those bushings out.

    a pair of sockets and a c clamp or bench vise can work also...

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    vanilla r done and done

    I finally got mine installed. I wanted to have the pin and sleeves for both shocks but its a blast trying to order them. Neither fox nor specalized wants to help, and most shops dont know what your talking about. UC Cyclery had a mechanic who knew exactly what I was trying to do and was a big help...


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    You beat me to it!

    Did you check for frame interference at full compression?

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    without the spring its fine, mine is a vanilla r so no piggie back, the only concern is with the spring and i have no idea how to check that without riding. Mines also a large so i feel pretty confident its ok

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    Quote Originally Posted by socalenduro
    without the spring its fine, mine is a vanilla r so no piggie back, the only concern is with the spring and i have no idea how to check that without riding. Mines also a large so i feel pretty confident its ok
    The piggy back should clear no problem. My concern is the link where the shock attachs hitting the pierced tube under full compression.

    What length and stroke shock are you using?

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    8.75 x 2.75 though the spring reads 2.8. Im taking it for a ride this tomorrow morning so i can report then.....Ill back the preload to about 0 and try to stroke the shock without big force incase it does come in contact.

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    Im curious about your ride, how it feels the "simple" vanilla shock

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    well i finally got a ride in today. It was a very XC ride and not very testing for the shock. But I was very pleased. Its very compliant but settles in nicely. Not at all like the DHX air that was soggy all the way thru. I do need to flip the shock as the plate for the spring makes contact with the linkage (black piece) ever so slightly. That does make me wonder how others are mounting an RC with no problem.
    I think I will send the shock to Push and let them do the custom tune.
    Once i flip the shock and get some rides in I'll report back

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    Quote Originally Posted by socalenduro
    well i finally got a ride in today. It was a very XC ride and not very testing for the shock. But I was very pleased. Its very compliant but settles in nicely. Not at all like the DHX air that was soggy all the way thru. I do need to flip the shock as the plate for the spring makes contact with the linkage (black piece) ever so slightly. That does make me wonder how others are mounting an RC with no problem.
    I think I will send the shock to Push and let them do the custom tune.
    Once i flip the shock and get some rides in I'll report back

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    Flyag1 what model Enduro do you have? and what shock size is that vanilla RC

    thanks

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    fleg do you not have any contact in the rear mount? i just asumed thats where the noise came from.
    Last edited by socalenduro; 01-14-2008 at 10:19 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jappo
    Flyag1 what model Enduro do you have? and what shock size is that vanilla RC

    thanks

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    2007 Elite size Med
    8.75 x 2.75 with 450 # x 2.80 steel spring
    Perfect spring weight for #210 rider
    No issues with spring retainer hitting linkage or frame hitting linkage
    Love the shock and the ride is buttery smooth!

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    Quote Originally Posted by socalenduro
    I do need to flip the shock as the plate for the spring makes contact with the linkage (black piece) ever so slightly. That does make me wonder how others are mounting an RC with no problem.
    remember that the vanilla R and vanilla RC are not the same shock just with different adjustments.
    the R is a smaller diameter and the distance from the eyelet center to the spring retaining ring is shorter than on the RC.

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    Quote Originally Posted by socalenduro
    fleg do you not have any contact in the rear mount? i just asumed thats where the noise came from. ps its 2 and im f-ed up
    socalenduro,
    go here and read this forum... there is everything you could ask for already posted with great photos... http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...ht=enduro+coil

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    Put my 06 170mm 66RC2X on my Expert this weekend. Fork felt great compared to the rear. Although the front felt way too high. The DHX definitely felt soggy. Hopefully I'll find the time this week to bolt up my Vanilla RC.



    First time going over this speed bump and had no idea what was on the other side thus the lack of air.

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    [QUOTE=Nagaredama]Put my 06 170mm 66RC2X on my Expert this weekend. Fork felt great compared to the rear. Although the front felt way too high. The DHX definitely felt soggy.

    If you have not ridden a coil / oil on the rear you may find the 66 feels harsh compared to the RC rear shock

    Keep us posted....

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    [QUOTE=flyag1]
    Quote Originally Posted by Nagaredama
    Put my 06 170mm 66RC2X on my Expert this weekend. Fork felt great compared to the rear. Although the front felt way too high. The DHX definitely felt soggy.

    If you have not ridden a coil / oil on the rear you may find the 66 feels harsh compared to the RC rear shock

    Keep us posted....
    Normally the 66 is on my AS-X which has a ROCO TST. They feel great together. The DHX from my experience (Enduro and 575) is just plain mushy mid stroke.


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    has anyone switched over to a ti sping on this shock? Most of the sizes im seeing are 2.75 or 3. can anyone confirm that one or the other works without binding?

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    So I have a Vanilla R liked up and there seems to be some noise, clunk in the travel. Everything feels tight, and sitting on the bike and compressing and unloading the suspension doesnt seem to do anything. On the trail though there is a clunk/click when going over small bumps out of the saddle. Its almost as if the shock is topping out. (ive never felt that in a rear shock)
    Thoughts?

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    Well, I missed the boat on that deal. I've been thinking about doing the Fox Vanilla swap on my '05/'06 Enduro for awhile now, and just started looking into it.

    Anyone have an extra one they want to sell? PM me...

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    I may be getting a Vanilla RC for this conversion (I ride a Med 06/07 Enduro) but it will come with no spring. Anyone know any good sources for Ti springs, or even steel springs for this puppy?

    At my weight (175 lbs.) I think I'm looking for about a 400lbs spring.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad andy
    I may be getting a Vanilla RC for this conversion (I ride a Med 06/07 Enduro) but it will come with no spring. Anyone know any good sources for Ti springs, or even steel springs for this puppy?

    At my weight (175 lbs.) I think I'm looking for about a 400lbs spring.
    for the steel spring just have your LBS order one directly from fox, ~$30.
    obtainium specializes in ti springs. universal cycles carries RCS ti springs.

    my geared up riding weight is 175 and i run a 350 on my '06 enduro expert with 8.75 x 2.75 vanilla rc. this puts me at 30% sag.

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    would it be smart to snag a used vanilla rc for 50 bucks with my 550 spring already on it. the guy said it has a couple runs on it. it looks to be in great shape and with me being 225 i figured that would be a great buy

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    its not the rc its the r, sorry

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    TallRider01 - That would be a good upgrade from the 5th element Air.
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    well the bike comes with the dxh 5.0 air so I plan on trying that out for a little bit, however, i know i will have to eventually change to the dhx coil, its inevitable.

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    For a 225 lb rider the 550 is going to be way to stiff, you will not get any sag. You will need a 450 lb spring if you like plush and 500 lb spring for FR.

    I am riding at your weight on a Marzocchi TST coil setup with a 450# and love the thing. You can call Marzocchi and trade in your fox shock for a Marzocchi TST and pay $200 for the upgrade. But you will also need a spring for the Marzocchi so you will have to pay extra for the spring.

    Go here and see post # 11 for photos of my setup. http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...g+up+an+enduro

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    a 450??? really from everything else i read that is too soft but i guess it all has to do with the riders preference. I'm going to experiment witht the air and if i decide i dont like it then i will look into upgrading to a coil and the experiment with a couple of different springs

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    I got a brand new Roco TST off ebay for $220, with a coil
    Mint condition Marzocchi 66RC for sale (170mm) pm to make an offer!

    Ride in Japan? Come to the Forums!

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    Quote Originally Posted by flyag1
    For a 225 lb rider the 550 is going to be way to stiff, you will not get any sag. You will need a 450 lb spring if you like plush and 500 lb spring for FR.

    I am riding at your weight on a Marzocchi TST coil setup with a 450# and love the thing. You can call Marzocchi and trade in your fox shock for a Marzocchi TST and pay $200 for the upgrade. But you will also need a spring for the Marzocchi so you will have to pay extra for the spring.

    Go here and see post # 11 for photos of my setup. http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...g+up+an+enduro
    You can link directly to posts. Click the post number and it gives you a page with only that post.
    Beefing up an Enduro Elite
    Mint condition Marzocchi 66RC for sale (170mm) pm to make an offer!

    Ride in Japan? Come to the Forums!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDon
    I got a brand new Roco TST off ebay for $220, with a coil
    thedon, that was a great buy! Guess the economy is bringing more than gas prices down.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDon
    You can link directly to posts. Click the post number and it gives you a page with only that post.
    Beefing up an Enduro Elite
    thanks for the tip...

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    What did you come up with TallRider?
    I dont care if you disagree with me. If your ok with being wrong thats fine with me.

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    Well I don't like air for my weight. I need to be getting a coil plain and simple. try to sell my air so..

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    what air are you running? if its NOT an DHX i may be interested. I wouldn't mind having an RP32 or something to switch to for the longer XC days
    I dont care if you disagree with me. If your ok with being wrong thats fine with me.

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    Its The Dhx 5.0

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    the DHX simply sucks for this bike.
    The good news is you will be VERY happy with a coil on there. I got a vanilla r (not rc) for 50 bucks and had it pushed. Its like butter, just heavy fattening butter.
    I dont care if you disagree with me. If your ok with being wrong thats fine with me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by socalenduro
    the DHX simply sucks for this bike.
    The good news is you will be VERY happy with a coil on there. I got a vanilla r (not rc) for 50 bucks and had it pushed. Its like butter, just heavy fattening butter.
    I totally agree, the Vanilla is a marked improvement over the DHX! I rode the RC for about 3-4 mnths and blew the damn thing. Rather than spending money to repair (or Push) I replaced it with the Rocco. Now I say the Rocco is just as big of improvement over the RC as the RC is over the DHX. If you can swing the $$$ I highly suggest the Rocco.

    At one time Marzocchi had a program where if you sent them a fox shock in trade, they would discount the Rocco shock. Might be worth giving them a call if you have a POS to trade.

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