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    Specialized Website Updated to 2006!


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    Quote Originally Posted by BoogerPEZ
    Sweet...a seven hundred dollar hardrock.

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    Awsome!

    Looks like only the Carbon Stumpys are getting the extra travel (130mm).

    I thought ALL 06 Stumpys were going to have 130mm.

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    looks like the S Works Stumpy alu frame's price has gone up.... Now it's not Septune, but it's brain, so its 500$ more...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kovi
    looks like the S Works Stumpy alu frame's price has gone up.... Now it's not Septune, but it's brain, so its 500$ more...

    Heh heh heh......7100 dollar S-Works Epic and SJ........ Can anybody say, LUDICROUS??????

    I think only sponsored pro racers would be riding that one. You'd have to be on crack to buy that bike if you are just a weekend enthusiast. Giant's NRS??? carbon MTB is nowhere close to 7 grand.

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    I don't get the geometry specs on some bikes, like the Enduros. Per frame size there are two top tube measures and a bunch for angles/BB height...
    I get the point of low/high measures for the different shock mounting shuttles but what about short/mid/long?
    I'm officially confused
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    Quote Originally Posted by *micke*
    I don't get the geometry specs on some bikes, like the Enduros. Per frame size there are two top tube measures and a bunch for angles/BB height...
    I get the point of low/high measures for the different shock mounting shuttles but what about short/mid/long?
    I'm officially confused
    If I remember correctly, JakeWake said that the '06 would have the short/mid/long travel modes included. For instance, my '05 SJ 120 has a Black fork with RTWD. The short would be set at 90 mm, the mid at 105 mm and the long at 120 mm. That's the way I understood it... enough rambling, now I'm off to officially check out the site!!

    P.S. For the person above who mentioned the Giant NRS carbon, no they're not $7k... they're simply not available in 2006. Well, from what I've gathered snooping around the Giant board. I too think it's too much money for me, I'll stick to the Comp level myself!

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    Wonder why specialized switched to SRAM this year? Somebody at Specialized must really hate rapid rise and/or integration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daffunda
    Heh heh heh......7100 dollar S-Works Epic and SJ........ Can anybody say, LUDICROUS??????

    I think only sponsored pro racers would be riding that one. You'd have to be on crack to buy that bike if you are just a weekend enthusiast. Giant's NRS??? carbon MTB is nowhere close to 7 grand.

    Oh c'mon, $7K for a bike sounds a lot? Maybe, but $4K sounded the same a few years ago and most bikers wouldn't hesitate to spend that amount now. It's subjective. It's like buying a car. Most models offer the same basic functionality but definitely it's not the same buying a Toyota than a Ferrari. Does a 12 cylinder engine with shifting behind the steering wheel justify the $200K or so difference? Again, it depends.

    For me, the price is high but you're getting what you're paying for: a light carbon frame, some of the best components and the best rear suspension system on the market (talking about pedal efficiency). Besides, the new Stumpjumper looks pretty darn good. The only bad thing is I have to wait until December to get mine (which I already ordered). I'm not even near to be a sponsored pro racer but I'll be a very happy mtn biker on a carbon Stumpy

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker1973
    Wonder why specialized switched to SRAM this year? Somebody at Specialized must really hate rapid rise and/or integration.
    Wait.... Do you LIKE rapid rise and the brifters and having to use shimano brakes if you want to use their rear derraileurs?

    So you're the one

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    front rotor size on SJ FSR and FSR XC

    Did anybody else notice that L and XL sizes of the SJ and FSR XC come with 185mm front rotors now...... maybe I am mistaken but I don't remember that frame size / rotor size relation before.

    Looks like a good idea to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crisillo
    Did anybody else notice that L and XL sizes of the SJ and FSR XC come with 185mm front rotors now...... maybe I am mistaken but I don't remember that frame size / rotor size relation before.

    Looks like a good idea to me.

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    I noticed it at the begining of the year, when I was doind research on the XC PRO I ended up buying. I about ready to get rid of it so I can get an '06 SJ PRO, the real ****!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SALAS331GT
    I noticed it at the begining of the year, when I was doind research on the XC PRO I ended up buying. I about ready to get rid of it so I can get an '06 SJ PRO, the real ****!

    Oh boy, another one of those, "I must have the latest and greatest or I'm going to go insane!" type of people.

    C'mon man, you have an 05 Pro, it's not like that bike is crap compared to the 06. Many hobbies, (cars, motorcycles, etc) are hobbies of trends and innovations, (you are a mechanical engineer so why the hell am I tellin ya this?) and these products are going to change for the better. (or sometimes worse) Dude, once you start, you're not gonna stop man, it's like crack, you're just gonna keep chasing the trends and spending money.
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    I am not sure..

    Quote Originally Posted by Daffunda
    Oh boy, another one of those, "I must have the latest and greatest or I'm going to go insane!" type of people.

    C'mon man, you have an 05 Pro, it's not like that bike is crap compared to the 06. Many hobbies, (cars, motorcycles, etc) are hobbies of trends and innovations, (you are a mechanical engineer so why the hell am I tellin ya this?) and these products are going to change for the better. (or sometimes worse) Dude, once you start, you're not gonna stop man, it's like crack, you're just gonna keep chasing the trends and spending money.

    but I think he meant that he has an 2005 FSR XC Pro and is upgrading to an 2006 SJ FSR Pro, which is a worthwhile upgrade I believe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wild74
    If I remember correctly, JakeWake said that the '06 would have the short/mid/long travel modes included. For instance, my '05 SJ 120 has a Black fork with RTWD. The short would be set at 90 mm, the mid at 105 mm and the long at 120 mm. That's the way I understood it... enough rambling, now I'm off to officially check out the site!!

    P.S. For the person above who mentioned the Giant NRS carbon, no they're not $7k... they're simply not available in 2006. Well, from what I've gathered snooping around the Giant board. I too think it's too much money for me, I'll stick to the Comp level myself!
    That makes sense Thanks!
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    Seems like 2005 was a year of reasonably low prices compared to 2006. Lifetime frame warranty or not, I'm not impressed with their $2800 price tag on the BigHit III. I can get a lot more for that money elsewhere in terms of wheels, suspension travel, and quality of rear shock and fork, namely from the 2006 Norco A-Line. Bah I say.

    A hardtail is a hardtail and I can't imagine why anyone would spend more than $2000 on one though. It's not even like you're going to feel that much difference in the ride for godssakes. I'll never understand hardcore XC/weight weenies though. S'all about "flossin' the bling" I guess. But I digress...

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    Quote Originally Posted by crisillo
    but I think he meant that he has an 2005 FSR XC Pro and is upgrading to an 2006 SJ FSR Pro, which is a worthwhile upgrade I believe.

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    My bad. I didn't read it carefully. Then yes, it is a worthwhile upgrade.

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    I saw the new carbon and said I got to have that so I went to my bank to ask for a loan. I got denied. The manager said it's an F'n bicycle. It doesn't even have a motor. And then laughed. So what does that tell ya?

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    Brakes info on '06 SJ Pro...

    Quote Originally Posted by crisillo
    Did anybody else notice that L and XL sizes of the SJ and FSR XC come with 185mm front rotors now...... maybe I am mistaken but I don't remember that frame size / rotor size relation before.

    Looks like a good idea to me.

    Cheers,
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    I can't tell from the R side of the bike on the Specialized site, but are the rotors the 6 hole type or the center lock type (shimano hub specific)???

    What I mean to ask is can the brake system be changed to, say, Avid's new Juicy Carbons without changing the hubs?

    Thanks

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    Even if they were CLs...

    Quote Originally Posted by etfireman
    I can't tell from the R side of the bike on the Specialized site, but are the rotors the 6 hole type or the center lock type (shimano hub specific)???

    What I mean to ask is can the brake system be changed to, say, Avid's new Juicy Carbons without changing the hubs?

    Thanks

    you can use adapters like the DT Swiss one to mount six hole rotos on CL hubs. But Specialized usually uses six hole rotors even with shimano brakes.

    Cheers,
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    Quote Originally Posted by crisillo
    Did anybody else notice that L and XL sizes of the SJ and FSR XC come with 185mm front rotors now...... maybe I am mistaken but I don't remember that frame size / rotor size relation before.

    Looks like a good idea to me.

    Cheers,
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    My 2005 FSR Expert L came with a 185mm front rotor (Juicy 7's).

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    Quote Originally Posted by mofoki
    I saw the new carbon and said I got to have that so I went to my bank to ask for a loan. I got denied. The manager said it's an F'n bicycle. It doesn't even have a motor. And then laughed. So what does that tell ya?

    haha...

    At least the way I feel, if you have to take out a frickin loan to get the bicycle, then you probably shouldn't be riding that bicycle. What would you do if it gets stolen? My personal belief is that, If you can't really afford to have the bike stolen, (not that it should happen) then that bike is probably too expensive for you.

    I personally don't think that I am worthy of the carbon S-Works. Too expensive and too awesome. I feel that those bikes are for serious sponsored pros and ex-pro racers, and not weekend warrior who only races once in a while, and a racer wannabe.
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    Keep it real folks, 7k for a pedal bike? The bike manufactures are laughing their way to their vacation homes. For that kind of money, one can buy a serious racing four stroke from Honda/Yamaha/KTM/Suzuki.

    Don't believe the hype, there is no way that a pedal bike is intrinsically expensive as off road motorcycle. Their suspension is light years bigger, and they come with a throttle.

    I love mountain bikes, so don't take this as an anti-bike rant. There are six bicycles in my apartment at the moment. It’s a simple question of what the consumer will pay. Remember when racing hard tails were 2k+? Yep, we all do, and they sold well. Now you’d be hard pressed to spend that one of the larger manufactures hard tails. Folks dig carbon and long travel and are willing to “pay” for it.

    Bought an SJ FSR Expert Disc in ’04 for 1700 bucks, and now the same bike is retailing for 2800! 2 inches of travel for 1100 bucks! That’s good entry level road ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Daffunda
    haha...

    At least the way I feel, if you have to take out a frickin loan to get the bicycle, then you probably shouldn't be riding that bicycle. What would you do if it gets stolen? My personal belief is that, If you can't really afford to have the bike stolen, (not that it should happen) then that bike is probably too expensive for you.

    I personally don't think that I am worthy of the carbon S-Works. Too expensive and too awesome. I feel that those bikes are for serious sponsored pros and ex-pro racers, and not weekend warrior who only races once in a while, and a racer wannabe.

    Why do you think the prices are so high on bikes today. It's because plastic is the way people pay for crap. It's what the market will bare and people can charge anything to credit. Therefore most bike purchases are bought on credit. I don't know one person who has paid cash for a bike and we're not talking Wallymart Specials.

    I have a bunch of bikes, Merlin, Specialized FSR, Cannondale F700, Opera, and lots of spare parts. I race MTB and I'm definately more than a weekend warrior. 4600 miles logged this year. Anyway, they are all top end and I can't afford to have any of it stolen. WTF kind of crap logic is that anyway? Unless you know me keep your mouth shut so you don't appear so stupid. $7100 is way to much to pay for a bike like that. Period!

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    I'm going to be going for an 06 Epic. And No I will not be putting it on a credit card. I ought to have the cash in hand when I walk in and order it. Cold hard cash!!!!!!
    I gave up buying on credit since it costs so much more in the long run.

    Plus you think twice when laying out the hard earned cash. And I will enjoy handing that cash over.....

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    Quote Originally Posted by *micke*
    I don't get the geometry specs on some bikes, like the Enduros. Per frame size there are two top tube measures and a bunch for angles/BB height...
    I get the point of low/high measures for the different shock mounting shuttles but what about short/mid/long?
    I'm officially confused
    The "- L" set of sizes are for 'Ladies' frame sizing though you wouldn't know that unless you called them up and asked about it since they didn't bother to mention it anywhere in the web page.

    I also asked why they don't publish the geometry in English measurement and was told "Metric is more precise and they prefer it that way." so all you chumps riding frames measured in inches are riding less precise hardware.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mofoki
    Why do you think the prices are so high on bikes today. It's because plastic is the way people pay for crap. It's what the market will bare and people can charge anything to credit. Therefore most bike purchases are bought on credit. I don't know one person who has paid cash for a bike and we're not talking Wallymart Specials.

    I have a bunch of bikes, Merlin, Specialized FSR, Cannondale F700, Opera, and lots of spare parts. I race MTB and I'm definately more than a weekend warrior. 4600 miles logged this year. Anyway, they are all top end and I can't afford to have any of it stolen. WTF kind of crap logic is that anyway? Unless you know me keep your mouth shut so you don't appear so stupid. $7100 is way to much to pay for a bike like that. Period!
    First of all, good for you, I'm sure you are a very avid cyclist. And when the hell did I ever say "cash?" Did I say that? I meant taking out any type of loan to buy your bike AND paying interest on it AND riding it without having it insured from theft is silly FROM MY VIEW. But hey, to some it is so worth it, and that is OK, I'm not pointing fingers and calling anyone stupid. I know a co-worker like that, he has an 8 grand race bike. He insures it, and he didn't take out loans, and no he is not rich, just a hardcore enthusiast.

    Stop getting pissed off about something because the statement you see doesn't agree with you. And yes, I don't know you. I think I was solely expressing my opinion, I do have that right, don't I? And if you don't agree with it, then you do have every right to disagree or simply ignore me. However, you could have been more polite. Notice how I mentioned, "At least the way I feel....My belief is that...."

    Are you going to snap and go all out everytime you see something that does not agree with you? Since you have all the super expenisive bikes, you mentioned that you couldn't afford to have it stolen. Are they insured? You don't have to tell me, none of my business really. Sure, no one wants to have their pride and joy stolen, even if it is a 60 dollar Wally-Mart special. To some, the "Wally-Mart" special bike is their pride and joy, and I doubt people insure those things, since they probably will pay in cash, and they would certainly not take out loans and pay interest on it.

    If those are insured, then I think that is the right decision, but if one's taking out loans to ride those super expensive bikes and paying interest, and not insuring them, then in my view, it is pretty damn stupid. You'd be paying off the bike with interest on something you no longer own. How depressing is that?

    Oh and before you bring up the fact that most people take out loans and pay interest on their cars and homes, most people INSURE those things since they can't afford to LOSE THEM!!!! Makes sense why people don't put collision insurance on a rusted out POS car. They don't care about the car as long as it runs, and it's not like their life's going to end if it gets stolen. Most likely they will say, "hey thanks for getting that rusted POS out of my hands!" It's like a average salaried man buying a Lamborghini with 30 year loan and crashing it at 150 MPH with no insurance, which has happened to some guy from what I remember.

    Feel free to call me "stupid" again if you have the urge to rant to this "opinion" again, but I would have expected a more mature response though. A simple, "I have to disagree because......" would have gotten your point through.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skihillguy
    I gave up buying on credit since it costs so much more in the long run.

    Plus you think twice when laying out the hard earned cash. And I will enjoy handing that cash over.....

    skihillguy, you took the words right out of my mouth.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhsavery
    Wait.... Do you LIKE rapid rise
    Love it... and was introduced to it on a Specialized bike about 7 years ago.
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    I found this...

    ..and it makes so much sense.

    "Don't use tomorrow to pay for today.
    Whether you're a sub-Saharan nation or just a cashstrapped shopper, debt's a killer. It kills your money. Because for as long as it hangs around, your debt means you can't make the most of today because you're still trying to pay for yesterday.
    Of course it means we can't have everything we want right now. But a bit of compromise today has got to be better than spending weeks, months or years with your options hemmed in by loan and credit card repayments.
    Yeah baby!

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    Nothing's absolute...

    Quote Originally Posted by *micke*
    ..and it makes so much sense.

    "Don't use tomorrow to pay for today.
    Whether you're a sub-Saharan nation or just a cashstrapped shopper, debt's a killer. It kills your money. Because for as long as it hangs around, your debt means you can't make the most of today because you're still trying to pay for yesterday.
    Of course it means we can't have everything we want right now. But a bit of compromise today has got to be better than spending weeks, months or years with your options hemmed in by loan and credit card repayments.
    I pretty much agree with this, however, I'd caveat it with the considered use of credit/debt. For instance, if I want or need something (want gets much less emphasis for using debt vs need) that costs more than I have on hand, I occasionally decide to use debt to get it now. Part of that decision includes a payment plan for however long I've decided to use the debt. The hard part is sticking to it and if you can't do that, then see the quote.

    Also, if you can take advantage of interest free debt to purchase something you were going to purchase anyway, that's not necessarily a bad thing to do either. Example: the wife and I have been looking for a nice dining room table. Found one - on sale for 10% off, but still pricey - and have an offer for a card with over 1 year no interest on purchases. In general, it's not such a good idea to do this, but we don't carry debt and have great credit scores so opening this card won't cost us more than a few points off the credit score.

    So, in my opinion, there are occasions where it's OK to use debt/credit. Bu a $7100 bike isn't one of them, even though I love the way they look and could easily afford to do the 1 year no interest purchase, too. But I won't. It just doesn't make sense for us.
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    Quote Originally Posted by blatido
    Oh c'mon, $7K for a bike sounds a lot? Maybe, but $4K sounded the same a few years ago and most bikers wouldn't hesitate to spend that amount now. It's subjective. It's like buying a car. Most models offer the same basic functionality but definitely it's not the same buying a Toyota than a Ferrari. Does a 12 cylinder engine with shifting behind the steering wheel justify the $200K or so difference? Again, it depends.

    For me, the price is high but you're getting what you're paying for: a light carbon frame, some of the best components and the best rear suspension system on the market (talking about pedal efficiency). Besides, the new Stumpjumper looks pretty darn good. The only bad thing is I have to wait until December to get mine (which I already ordered). I'm not even near to be a sponsored pro racer but I'll be a very happy mtn biker on a carbon Stumpy
    I guess that is why standard of living in the States is rising. Prices of things are a lot higher than compared to ten years ago, so I understand your logic.

    However, I think it all comes down to, "Is it worth it to you?" To some people, yes. To others, no. I personally think that paying 7K for a bicycle is not worth it, but that's just me.

    That's why dads and soccer moms drive Hummers when they never go off road. To them, it is totally worth it getting raped for gas and driving to the mall or grocery store. They can say, "I have a Hummer!" and be proud. Whatever that means. However, I do have respect people who drive hummers and actually do hardcore off roading and outdoor stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hot Butter Topping
    Seems like 2005 was a year of reasonably low prices compared to 2006. Lifetime frame warranty or not, I'm not impressed with their $2800 price tag on the BigHit III. I can get a lot more for that money elsewhere in terms of wheels, suspension travel, and quality of rear shock and fork, namely from the 2006 Norco A-Line. Bah I say.

    A hardtail is a hardtail and I can't imagine why anyone would spend more than $2000 on one though. It's not even like you're going to feel that much difference in the ride for godssakes. I'll never understand hardcore XC/weight weenies though. S'all about "flossin' the bling" I guess. But I digress...

    Too bad about the prices.
    That is funny. "Flossin' the bling" Yeah, I so freakin agree with you.

    Typical marketing scheme: "This year's frame is 100g lighter than last year!"

    Me: Um......I can still save that amount of weight and maybe more by upgrading the components......

    Weight Weenie: I made my XC bike 200 grams lighter!!!

    Me: I saved 200 grams by taking a big dump.

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