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    Specialized Tires

    My 2011 Enduro came with a 2.3 Clutch Control. What other front tire have you tried and recommend? Specialized brand
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    Depends on what you are riding. I have used the Renegade, Fast Trak LK, Captain and Purgatory to good effect on different terrain.

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    Currently run the captain for loose gravelly conditions, works very well.

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    mixture of everything. I was looking at the Purgatory 2.4
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    The new Ground Control ( 2.3 ) and the new Fast Trak. Definitely a couple of the best tires Spesh makes now.

    The new Fast Trak is a mix between the Renegade and a Captain, and the Ground Control is a mix between the Captain and the Purgatory. Best of both worlds, they're light also, and have great rubber.
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    Gor for something like Purgatory up front and either captain or ground control out back.

    Definitely control version though. Walking your bike out sucks after you have torn the sidewall of a s-works tyre.

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    I am using a Purgatory 2.4 F & R. Very happy with them. I may go a little smaller up front next time - the 2.4 barely fits in the E150 and is polishing the underside of the arch.

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    I run the Ground Control 2.1 front and Captain 2.0 rear in 29er. Excellent traction in mud and decomposing granite at last weekends race.. was like it was stuck to the ground and wouldn't slide at all!

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    He's got an Enduro guys, not an Epic or something..
    Go for something at least 2.2, my '12 Enduro came with a 2.2 Purgatory at the back and a 2.3 Butcher up front. Been extremely happy with the Butcher, sticks like glue, Purgatory is quite good, low resistance and all but it isn't that grippy, great fun though drifting it but makes me unsure whilst riding on wet cliffs and such.
    So I'd recommend you trying the Butcher, grips on every surface I've ridden it on and not bad roll resistance either.
    How are you liking the Clutch BTW? Have you been satisfied with it? Thought about testing one.
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    2012 Enduros and SJs have the Butcher (control) up front.

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    If you do a lot of DH, I say get another clutch. I love mine, they are alittle harder to climb with but they beg for more when you point it downhill. I run the SX up front and the control in the back.
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    I've been runing a purgatory up front and ground control in the rear with great results. I've also ran the captain setup front and rear and that was very good as welll. I have not been disappointed with any spesh tires yet!!

    i have been hearing that stock is pretty low on the new ground controls, LBS can't order any 29x2.0 as they are not in inventory...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ds33gt View Post
    I've been runing a purgatory up front and ground control in the rear with great results. I've also ran the captain setup front and rear and that was very good as welll. I have not been disappointed with any spesh tires yet!!

    i have been hearing that stock is pretty low on the new ground controls, LBS can't order any 29x2.0 as they are not in inventory...
    I recently recieved my order of S-Works Ground Control tires in sizes 29X1.9 and 29X2.1 last week. It took 3 weeks for them to get to me! The 29X1.9 for the rear tire on my SJ HT which has a very narrow tire gap. My current SB8 2.1 tire in the rear wore the paint down to the metal between the chianstays!

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    In Spesh tires I've used Fast Trak LK, Captain and Purgatory. I'm running a Purg Grid 2.4 up front right now and love it. Before the Grid I was using the Purg Control and I was having issues with sidewall punctures when going threw rock gardens.

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    Apparently I'm the only one who runs Eskars. I love 'em and they set up tubeless real well. 2.3 is only a little heavier than the 2.2 Purgatory, with higher volume.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pädi View Post
    He's got an Enduro guys, not an Epic or something..
    Go for something at least 2.2, my '12 Enduro came with a 2.2 Purgatory at the back and a 2.3 Butcher up front. Been extremely happy with the Butcher, sticks like glue, Purgatory is quite good, low resistance and all but it isn't that grippy, great fun though drifting it but makes me unsure whilst riding on wet cliffs and such.
    So I'd recommend you trying the Butcher, grips on every surface I've ridden it on and not bad roll resistance either.
    How are you liking the Clutch BTW? Have you been satisfied with it? Thought about testing one.
    Oh, and they're both Controls.
    I'm running the stock 2011 enduro comp tires, purgatory in back and the clutch in the front.

    With the same bike, up until a couple of weeks ago, I was running maxis minion front and rear. Those tires really stick better in the tight fast turns than both my new specialized tires but the rolling resistance coming from the minions to the specialized is incredible!

    I have a trail I ride often that has ups and down switch backs and with the minions I had to pedal to get back to the top of hill each time, with the specialized, I can do it with no extra cranks.

    My front washed out the other day but that was my fault, but in the same instance, I think my minions would have stuck it.

    Over all, I'm keeping them on here and will learn to deal with a little sliding around as I am super happy with the speed of the tires.

    I will likely try out that Butcher you mentioned for the front once this one is gone.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ambassadorhawg View Post
    2012 Enduros and SJs have the Butcher (control) up front.
    the SJ EVO has the butcher up front and the purg in the back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by innovator8 View Post
    I'm running the stock 2011 enduro comp tires, purgatory in back and the clutch in the front.

    With the same bike, up until a couple of weeks ago, I was running maxis minion front and rear. Those tires really stick better in the tight fast turns than both my new specialized tires but the rolling resistance coming from the minions to the specialized is incredible!

    I have a trail I ride often that has ups and down switch backs and with the minions I had to pedal to get back to the top of hill each time, with the specialized, I can do it with no extra cranks.

    My front washed out the other day but that was my fault, but in the same instance, I think my minions would have stuck it.

    Over all, I'm keeping them on here and will learn to deal with a little sliding around as I am super happy with the speed of the tires.

    I will likely try out that Butcher you mentioned for the front once this one is gone.

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    Thanks for warning me, I've been thinking of minions but don't like the sound of the roll resistance. Think I'll keep a Butcher Control in the front and once my Purg wears out of all the drifting I'll put another Butcher in the back or maybe a Clutch, wonder how they work as rear tyres.. Could put the 2.3 in the back and go for a 2.4 in the front though.
    Running on tubeless btw, haven't noticed any bigger differences except for that the air, strangely, stays inside for longer.
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    Loose, loose over hardpack, hardpack:

    Minion dhf or Clutch up front, Captian 2.2 rear. For these conditions I think this is one sick setup.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pädi View Post
    Thanks for warning me, I've been thinking of minions but don't like the sound of the roll resistance. Think I'll keep a Butcher Control in the front and once my Purg wears out of all the drifting I'll put another Butcher in the back or maybe a Clutch, wonder how they work as rear tyres.. Could put the 2.3 in the back and go for a 2.4 in the front though.
    Running on tubeless btw, haven't noticed any bigger differences except for that the air, strangely, stays inside for longer.
    Do not run a Clutch on the rear, will slow you down compared to the Purgs. A butcher would roll better than a Clutch in the rear IMO. But riding a butcher you would have to really lean over, may be a little drifty for some riders as a rear tire.

    Innovator8 The reason why the minions rolled so slow was because you had them on the rear. For trail riding, they should only be used on the front. They don't roll very well to justify them in the rear.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ambassadorhawg View Post
    I recently recieved my order of S-Works Ground Control tires in sizes 29X1.9 and 29X2.1 last week. It took 3 weeks for them to get to me! The 29X1.9 for the rear tire on my SJ HT which has a very narrow tire gap. My current SB8 2.1 tire in the rear wore the paint down to the metal between the chianstays!
    That's the setup I'm thinking of running on my RH HT, except in the Control versions. I haven't found too much feedback on the 1.9 as a rear tire. Can you let us know how it works for you and what kind of terrain / riding you're using this setup for?

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    Found this resistance chart on another thread.
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    Good stuff, I wonder what the actual speed difference would be between the tires if all conditions could be duplicated. It would be interesting to see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ds33gt View Post
    Good stuff, I wonder what the actual speed difference would be between the tires if all conditions could be duplicated. It would be interesting to see.
    By dividing the Fast Track Control 29 by the Purgatory 29, I get 57% of energy required to get the same speed running the Fast Track.

    How does that relate to actual speed?

    My SW Epic 29 has the Fast Track in front and Renegade rear. My EVO 29er has Purgatory frt and rear. I will do a side by side rolling test down a small hill near my house and get back.
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    I recently purchased 29er epic with Fast Trak in front and Renegade in rear. The strengths and weaknesses of these stock tires now make sense to me after seeing the chart above.

    Obvious differences in my riding/racing on these tires (and 29er): I am super fast off of the start line and can get up to speed/hold speed better than ever.

    HOWEVER, I have lost a lot of skin due to the horrible cornering ability in loose dirt/sand. I now have no confidence taking any speed into corners (payoff for rolling speed is not worth it for what I give up braking through every turn). So, I think I am going to switch to Captain in front and Ground Control in back.

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    I am using the exact same setup only opposite; ground control front and captain rear on my 29er epic comp. I have no complaints thus far, both the front and rear stick like glue to everything but very soft decomposed granite(basically course sand).. and even then it was just a slight slide in the rear under hard cornering.

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    Dropped the Renegade in front for the Fast Track Control and improved cornering grip a lot. The Renegade in back feels loose though and after seeing the rolling resistance graph will put a Fast Track in back as well.
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    For what I do the renegade is all but worthless. I am thinking of putting the fast track s-works(that came with the bike) on the rear though as it is faster rolling than the captain, now that it isn't so muddy around here. The ground control is staying where it is though, love that tire on the front!

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    Quote Originally Posted by kfallscody View Post
    For what I do the renegade is all but worthless. I am thinking of putting the fast track s-works(that came with the bike) on the rear though as it is faster rolling than the captain, now that it isn't so muddy around here. The ground control is staying where it is though, love that tire on the front!
    Yea, I thought about moving the fast trak to the rear as well (good to know ground control is a good front tire), mostly so I would only have to buy one tire instead of two. However, I think as much as a bigger tread pattern I might need a wider tire than 2.0. (for my riding style, which is not really finesse).

    It's interesting to me that the fast trak has nearly identical low rolling resistance as the renegade according to the chart. I think that made me skeptical that it would corner much better. If it does, then that would be an awesome combination of speed with control.

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    My friend, who is MUCH more experienced than myself, runs the ground control front and fast track rear. My only concern is the s-works fast track, being thinner walled and being in the back. I always seem to get more sidewall cuts in the back, not sure why that is. I have the armadillo captain in the back now, for it's improved sidewall... but it is a bit of a heavy beast.

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    I recently put Captain's on my HT stumpy, seem to work well in most conditions especially with all the rain and mud we get here in the UK. The roll quite fast too on the hard stuff.

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    sierra blanco, not sure about your riding conditions, but I am loving the Purgatory up front. Keeps me in the corner really well compared to the other combos I have tried. I like the fast trak or ground control in the rear.

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    My Stumpy came stock with S-Works Renegades in the front and back. They don't corner well at all. Lots of skidding and wash outs. I thought I was doing something wrong, but it seems as though the Renegades don't corner well at all for anyone.

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    I have an SL enduro and have just swapped my SX Butcher 2.3 to the rear and put my DH Clutch 2.3 on the front. I thought the SX Butcher was great but the Clutch just offers much more grip and bite
    And feel much more confident running lower pressures without fear of a pinch flat, be aware though this has definitely added weight to the bike. But for me it's all about the DH fun and I just tell myself it's added resistance training on the way up

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    I am running Fast Trak Control 2Bliss front and rear and love them! 26" though. Any thoughts on the Captain would be appreciated. I just picked up a 2011 Camber Elite that came OEM with them.

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