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    Speci you better wake up.....

    Giant is releasing 2 650b bikes at sea otter . So will speci be late to this party also? I think they have been to busy ramming 10k 29 ears down their dealers throats.

    So lets see who has a fad 650 bike or one coming?..
    Santa Cruz
    Jamis
    kHs
    Giant
    Intense
    Rocky mtn
    Foes
    Scott
    Norco
    Gt
    Trek
    And that's just the start.......wait till sea otter

    And I started on 26 back in the day had 4 29ers in 5 years and then rode a 650 bike.......oops. Big mistake I now own a 650b and sold the 29 er

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    I second this motion and send a virtual, big cuppa "Please" to Specialized for a 120mm travel (front and rear), 650b Camber. Carry on.

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    Do you really think that Speci will present a 27.5 bike with 120 mm travel after they have switched ALL short travel bikes to 29 inch and furtheremore introduced the 2014 29inch enduro? Never ever.

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    And that's the reason they will get smoked in that catagory. Speci also said they would never make a 29 ER and now that's all they sell.

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    Those Giant bikes are very nice. I love that there are so many wheel size choices available these days.

    If anyone thinks Specialized decided to forego the 27.5" without a lot of serious consideration and years of research and testing, then they are mistaken. This is absolutely a business decision. Specialized is clearly betting on the 29er. Will they lose that bet? I'm not so sure.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vizsladog View Post
    And that's the reason they will get smoked in that catagory. Speci also said they would never make a 29 ER and now that's all they sell.
    Um... Yeah... If Specialized sees a large enough opportunity in a given category, they will take the time to see what works, build a product that people will buy, market the crap out of it, and do well. Case in point: their 29er line. They're more of a "fast" follower than a market leader. But when you have the R&D and marketing budget they do, it doesn't matter.

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    I'm certain they've played with it and will watch the market. But never say 'never' unless you don't mind hearing "I told you so." Specialized is successful because of their business decisions, and they decide to change their bikes often enough to keep up with consumer demand/desire. The market IS speaking, and as Vizsladog has pointed out, they are already losing market share in the game of "Lead, follow or get out of the way." Sucks because they build great value into their bikes (not to mention they fit me well ).

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    Another Wheel size............................
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    I heard that Fox isn't making 26" forks in anything other than the evolution series. Either 650B or 29 I the better series...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedalfaraway View Post
    Another Wheel size............................
    I'm guessing you haven't ridden a 650b? I did after owing 3 different 29ers in 4 years. Now it's the only bike I own.

    It climbed better, accelerated better, handled better , had a shorter wheelbase ,had shorter chain stays and rolled almost as well as the 29ers.........yeah we don't need another wheelsize

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    Pretty sure Big Ole' Speci is content with being the one company that can make a 155mm travel 29er with shorter stays than most of those 650b bikes. If you're gonna go big, go big I suppose.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vizsladog View Post
    I'm guessing you haven't ridden a 650b? I did after owing 3 different 29ers in 4 years. Now it's the only bike I own.

    It climbed better, accelerated better, handled better , had a shorter wheelbase ,had shorter chain stays and rolled almost as well as the 29ers.........yeah we don't need another wheelsize
    Isn't that kind of dependent on which 29ers you're comparing to which 650bs? I've ridden multiple poor-handling 29ers...but my current one handles pretty well. If Specialized can make 29ers that handle as well as most 650bs...why would they make 650bs as well?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 2TurnersNotEnough View Post
    Um... Yeah... If Specialized sees a large enough opportunity in a given category, they will take the time to see what works, build a product that people will buy, market the crap out of it, and do well. Case in point: their 29er line. They're more of a "fast" follower than a market leader. But when you have the R&D and marketing budget they do, it doesn't matter.
    This x 1000. Specialized was vocal anti-29er early on, and came to 29ers slowly... I think I still have an original Fast Trak in the garage somewhere, which was their "toe in the water" I believe. Now, they market the (and sell) the crap of 29ers. Love their 29er tires, and am picking up an Epic soon. If they ever 'need' to into the 27.5 market, they will, and sell a boatload.

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    Does the tallboy and epic count as 29ers?....

    Um the 150mm 29er speci has has chain stays an inch longer than the 26 stumpy and they are longer than any 650b I've ridden

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    Re: Speci you better wake up.....

    Quote Originally Posted by vizsladog View Post
    Does the tallboy and epic count as 29ers?....

    Um the 150mm 29er speci has has chain stays an inch longer than the 26 stumpy and they are longer than any 650b I've ridden
    That's absolutely incorrect, at least be factual. The 26" stumpy has chainstays 420mm long, the 29" Enduro has chainstays 430mm long, less than 1//2" longer. The newest player in the 27.5" market, Santa Cruz Bronsan has 440mm chainstays.

    The 29" Enduro has shorter, or equal stays than most 26" bikes of the equivalent travel, and shorter than nearly all 650B of equivalent travel.
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    Quote Originally Posted by vizsladog View Post
    I'm guessing you haven't ridden a 650b? I did after owing 3 different 29ers in 4 years. Now it's the only bike I own.

    It climbed better, accelerated better, handled better , had a shorter wheelbase ,had shorter chain stays and rolled almost as well as the 29ers.........yeah we don't need another wheelsize
    Which 29ers are you referring too?
    how tall/fat are you?
    What is the 650b your referring to?

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    can't wait til they make a dedicated 650b. in the meantime, i'll use my converted epic carbon...


    DSC_0020 by cursor718, on Flickr
    '10 specialized epic comp carbon - 650b

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    Quote Originally Posted by cursor718 View Post
    can't wait til they make a dedicated 650b. in the meantime, i'll use my converted epic carbon...


    DSC_0020 by cursor718, on Flickr
    Very nice - are you using the original 26" fork?
    Hows the clearance?

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    yes, stock fork.


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    '10 specialized epic comp carbon - 650b

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    Camber + 650b
    Speci you better wake up.....-camber-650b-1024-x-768-.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by LukeSPOOK View Post
    Camber + 650b
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    What year is that Camber and is that a 650 specific RS fork?

    Thanks in advance.
    Wait,who did he tell you that?....

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    Quote Originally Posted by JMac47 View Post
    What year is that Camber and is that a 650 specific RS fork?

    Thanks in advance.
    That be a 2013 Camber - but changed every part on the bike except the shock.
    Has a 120mm travel Reba RL 29er fork.
    Just testing some wheels - not convinced with the 650b's - just a tad too low BB, but goes well otherwise.

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    Why bother? I have troubles telling 26 inch bike from 27.5 and the fact that many just fit 27.5 wheel into 26 inch frame is telling... After they released that new Enduro with 16.9 inch chainstays and 155 mm rear travel they will probably just drop all the short travel 26 inch bikes and be done... I would not be surprised though if 2015 will see 27.5 long travel models. And dirt jumping bikes (the most fun of all!) will stay 26 inch - or below - for good.
    But all this stuff is not important comparing to the main question - when will this bloody snow stop in Colorado?

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    Quote Originally Posted by sergio8691 View Post
    Why bother?
    Because I can.
    Have put 29er wheels back on my Camber, and prefer bike with them.

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    Maybe an old idea, I dunno, but I was daydreaming today how in a few years time (when my current fork was shot) I'd whack a 140 mm 650b front fork in my 2012 Camber, plonk in a 650b front wheel, but keep the 29er rear wheel. Best of all worlds, and probably would maintain the head angle geometry pretty close?

    I suppose such a hybrid would be called a 659er?

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