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    Should brakes break the deal?

    I want to get a 2013 specialized Enduro or Stumpy. I keep reading how terrible the stock Elixir 5 brakes are. I'm not rich and don't want to buy xt brakes for a bike I just spent $3500 on. What should I do? Are the brakes a deal breaker?

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    You could always ask the shop if they will swap the brakes for you, or sell them. I would normally expect to want to swap a part or 2 on a stock bike.

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    They're not that bad. You'll probably get at least a year or two out of them.

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    Re: Should brakes break the deal?

    I agree. Ask the shop to swap them out if you want different brakes.

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    The brakes does suck. Is true. I should have swapped it out. Spent a bit just for it to be in the shop twice already.

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    there are a few options. See if the shop will give you an instore credit for them towards other brakes. That is what we used to do at the shop I worked at.
    another option is suck it up, buy the other brakes you want for the bike and sell off the brakes that came on it. I see lots of brakes pop up online as new factory take offs. You should be able to get a good amount for them on ebay or craigslist. Sometimes the shop will even give you a discount on parts you buy with the bike.

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    2013? Don't the 2013's come with Magura's now?

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanillaEps View Post
    2013? Don't the 2013's come with Magura's now?
    Epics yes Magura. Stumpy's and Enduro's still the 5/7's. Until you're up in the S-Works $$ range.
    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    Should brakes break the deal?-untitled.jpg

    The lowest spec'ed SJ shows Magura brakes on the Spesh site...

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    They might not be that bad for you, to be honest. Mine were all good. Not everybody has problems with Avid's.

    That being said, any good shop would want to make the customer happy so it is worth mentioning your thoughts and see if they can offer any solution.

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    I have an 13 SJ FSR elite 29er and I love the stock brakes....much better then the Maguras.

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    You just dropped $3500....don't let $300 stop you now. Get the XT's, less than tax on your new rig.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VanillaEps View Post
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    The lowest spec'ed SJ shows Magura brakes on the Spesh site...
    True, true, but OP said Enduro and Stumpy so I took it as the Stumpy FSR's.
    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    I haven't had any issues with the Elixir 5 on my '13 Enduro. I've got about 6 months on them and it's been a real wet 6 months. I see no reason to do anything anytime soon. If I do, I'll upgrade to XT's, they're getting cheap.
    How can anyone who's been riding as long as I have, be so slow???

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad andy View Post
    They might not be that bad for you, to be honest. Mine were all good. Not everybody has problems with Avid's.

    That being said, any good shop would want to make the customer happy so it is worth mentioning your thoughts and see if they can offer any solution.
    Serious? I assume you do long downhill runs in your riding too, have they not squeal like crazy and vibrate to the point that it scares all the people around you?

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    Here is my experience.....

    I had some shimano SLX brakes on my last bike, AWESOME BRAKES!! They are now on my wifes 29er trek marlin....these are the older SLX brakes with the larger master cylinder...the newer ones are SHARP

    My new '13 camber comp came with the avid elixir 3's...I love the feel of the brakes (the look too!!). After riding for about a month and a half, they started squealing pretty bad, sanded the pads and cleaned the rotors and they got quiet again. I like the Elixir 3s but they are definately not as strong as my SLX brakes. My bike is actually at the shop right now getting the front brake bled to see if it will get any stronger...if not I will probably put my SLX on my spesh and put the elixir 3s on my old lady's trek.

    I would personally buy SLX brakes if you were to buy any, the things are rock solid and cheaper than the other shimano brakes

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    Take take the stock brakes off and sell them as new takeoffs and buy what you want. After several issues in the past I refuses to run Avid brakes. My latest build came with Avid X0 Trail Worldcup 4 piston brakes, I sold them and bought Shimano Zee for the same price I sold the Avids.

    If I was selling Elixir 5/7s, I'd replace them with SLX. Great brakes and the price isnt bad at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by goatman2304 View Post
    I had some shimano SLX brakes on my last bike, AWESOME BRAKES!! the newer ones are SHARP

    I would personally buy SLX brakes if you were to buy any, the things are rock solid and cheaper than the other shimano brakes
    As has been said, XT is the new XTR, SLX is the new XT.
    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    The SLX is an excellent brake. Not too much different than the XT...and I have yet to read a bad review on the SLX.

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    I bought a Stumpy FSR from my LBS a while back and had them upgrade some stuff. I simply paid the difference in cost and had a new bike EXACTLY how I wanted it.

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    nothing feels worse then the MT6 brakes that are on the new epics....I test rode a new expert evo epic today...worse feeling, loudest brakes of any bike I have been on.

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    ^that's just your opinion which is fine but it doesn't necessarily mean they are wrong for everyone. Magura brakes have exactly the feel, power, and modulation I like.

    Different strokes for different folks.

    Sounds like the pads need to be bedded and or adjusted. Could happen to any brake, especially brand new. Did you consider that?

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    not to spam... but i have a set of magura mt6's for sale. upgraded my sj to mt8's and they're just laying around. $250 and they're yours.

    i work in a specialized-only shop and the elixirs are complete $h!t. we've had so many problems w/ them and i expect spec will be switching to all magura for 2014. they have a pretty good relationship as seen in the mts (s stands for specialized).

    DM me if you're interested

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    Just pick up some Xts and your good to go .

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    Avids are crap. If you are buying the bike at or near MSRP the shop should be able to swap the brakes for free IMHO. At the very Min they should sell you some XT's at cost which should be less then 200 for the set, and then you can sell the avids on ebay and try to recoup some money.

    I totally disagree with the since your already spending 3500 whats another 300 comments. For 3500 dollars you deserve a bike that works. No ****ty parts, No creeking, no squealing etc. $3500 = dialed bike. If the brakes squeal and shutter Specialized should warranty them to some that work and stop putting **** brakes on their bikes. If your shop will not swap parts you want on a new bike at dealer cost and either give you a credit for the old parts, or let you sell them on ebay then find a new dealer. Dealer cost is about 50% of retail price.

    I was looking at Buying a Stumpy EVO HT with the 1x10 but did not want the CTD fork because CTD is the worst idea since rapid demise derailleurs. The dealer offered to sell me the bike at full msrp and allow me to purchase a REBA at dealer cost, and they would keep the fox fork. I politely declined.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedalfaraway View Post
    did not want the CTD fork because CTD is the worst idea since rapid demise derailleurs
    Could you explain the deal on what it is about these that's no good? Also is it the same issue for the rr shocks? I'm looking into a TallBoy frame that has one of them.

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    I just do not like CTD. The Climb mode is too soft to allow out of the saddle bursts of speed, yet too stiff to allow for small bump compliance. When climbing I just leave it in the trail mode and accept that its not as fast as a fork with a lockout, but is more comfortable. Hence Climb mode is useless. Descend mode is way too soft. Feels like it just blows through its travel, and lacks the progressive feel of all of the other Fox Floats I have ridden since the came out with ir in 2004. Desend mode also gives tons of brake dive which is something I never noticed on previous floats. So I end up just leaving it in trail mode on descents and accept that an older fox would feel much better while descending. The Descend mode is basically worthless. In summary there is nothing really wrong with CTD, its just that a Fox Float RL, or RLC from 2004 to 2011 perfprms better on climbs, descents, allows a much wider range of adjustment, and is a better fork.

    I have not ridden a CTD rear shock.

    Rumor has it that CTD is changing for 2014. Might want to look into that before you decide to purchase.
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    I do agree for the most part of the fork. Whats funny is everyone complained about never getting full travel with their older Fox forks, so Fox changes it and everyone claims its too linear and blows thru the travel.

    I general run my 2013 Fox 34 in Trail-firm mode if there are lots of climbing/descents or trail-soft for rolling terrain. I hate adjusting the fork anyway and i think it works fine. Not great, but not horrible either.

    As for the shock, I have a 2013 CTD Kashima. One of the best shocks Ive ever used. Climb mode keep the rear very firm and high in the travel which helps keep the front down on steep sections. Trail mode is perfect for general trail riding, and Descent gives a smooth plush ride for riding downhill. I wish the fork was even half as good as the shock!
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    You guys can still buy brand new pre-CTD fox forks, right?

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    Should brakes break the deal?

    Quote Originally Posted by Hawg View Post
    You guys can still buy brand new pre-CTD fox forks, right?
    If your LBS has them in stock. I got one late last year from my LBS. However, it was a take off from a Niner build they made.


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    You can buy them by the crate full online at any number of locations. Your LBS is pushing the very latest in equipment so it's not gonna be the best place to look for dated technology.

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    You can also Remove the CTD Cartridge and put in a RLC one. Fox Quoted me 250 to do it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedalfaraway View Post
    I have not ridden a CTD rear shock.

    Rumor has it that CTD is changing for 2014. Might want to look into that before you decide to purchase.
    Thanks. Yeah not looking at a fork, have a Reba. And it looks like the RP2 frames are only XL. So it's a CTD shock. I'm a light rider so if any quams I would guess it could be remedied by PUSH. Frame is cheap enough to have shock tuned later.
    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    Thanks for the replies. I was getting some great opinions before the forum got hijacked. I guess it is pretty tough to start your own thread.
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    If you buy the bike and want yo sell them outright, message me. I might be interested

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    Quote Originally Posted by CMH22 View Post
    Thanks for the replies. I was getting some great opinions before the forum got hijacked. I guess it is pretty tough to start your own thread.
    Haha, another owner of elixirs which I retired then rehired to put on a niner. The elixirs work, you will get piston stuck sooner or later, they are a ***** to bleed compared to shimano. Shimanos are way way way more powerful , but at a cost to ease of modulation ( its a trade off)

    I'd talk to the dealer, tell them you would buy today if they came with slx brakes, you are so nervous about the elixirs and previous problems, that being without bike while they are in the shop is what's holding you back right now.

    Fwiw, shimano brakes work fine with Avid rotors on my anthem, elixirs don't work so well with shimano rotors.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Capnsideburns View Post
    They're not that bad. You'll probably get at least a year or two out of them.
    Yes they are!

    OP as other have said you can normally ask the shop to swap out and pay the retail difference.
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    I'm running elixir 5's for 3 years now, no problems ... good enough brakes for me. I always ride on dry, dusty tracks but when they do get wet, they squeel - that is true - untill they dry ouit again. I use organic brakepads.
    But everybody is so negative on the elixirs, so if you have the oportunity, I'd switch them for slx or xt when you buy your new bike.

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    Should brakes break the deal?

    I'll add another two cents to this thread.

    I have the Avid Elixir CR's. I had the turkey gobble in the rear. Took it back to my LBS and asked them to either fix it or give me XT's. They were happy, willing, and able. They were confident that they could find a reason why the CR's were noisy. I came back two hours later. There was an adjustment screw that was loose on the rear brake. Since then I've ridden the bike about 25 miles. No more gobble or squeal.


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    I have a Magura MT-S on my Stumpy HT and it sucks as well. I am thinking of upgrading it to SLX or XT.

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    Not sure what you consider hijacked. The bike you are talking about has both Avid brakes and a CTD fork.

    By the way did you guys see stage 2 of the tour of California? 122 degree temps and a 25% gradient on the final climb. It was insane I have never seen riders collapse and team managers scurrying around covering riders in ice 10 seconds after then have finished the stage. Brutal.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedalfaraway View Post
    Not sure what you consider hijacked. The bike you are talking about has both Avid brakes and a CTD fork.

    By the way did you guys see stage 2 of the tour of California? 122 degree temps and a 25% gradient on the final climb. It was insane I have never seen riders collapse and team managers scurrying around covering riders in ice 10 seconds after then have finished the stage. Brutal.
    Pretty straight forward, he asked about brakes and people went off on a tangent about the shocks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pedalfaraway View Post
    Not sure what you consider hijacked............

    By the way did you guys see stage 2 of the tour of California? .......................
    Shirley this was a rhetorical and intentional use of irony? Still chuckling...

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    No I would not let the brakes stop me from purchasing. I cannot believe Avid would continue to make such a sub-par product for this length of time.

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