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    Roval Control SL 29 Wheels

    I was wondering if anybody on the Specialized forum has had any difficulties with their carbon wheels?

    I purchased a new Epic with the upgraded wheels from my LBS back in September.
    The front wheel had a bit of a wobble in it that I noticed on my first ride. After my LBS came to the conclusion that the wheel had extra carbon built up on the one side of the wheel, it was sent to Spec and the hoop was replaced.

    No problem, other than the fact that the process took nearly a month.

    I get the wheel back, get ready for a ride, then notice this in my back wheel before I even get out of the garage. It looks like the entire sidewall of the wheel has cracked and is coming apart.

    The bike has essentially not been touched in a month and has only a couple hundred miles of Boise, buffed single track on it. No drops, no big rocks, no wrecks etc...

    I run them around 24-28lbs, tubeless, and with sealant. I weigh a little over 200lbs with gear. I have been told that I am a really smoothe rider and I am typically pretty easy on my equipment.

    So, the question is, has anybody else had any problems with the carbon fiber wheels? I know there is not a rider weight limit, but should there be?

    I will be stopping by my LBS tomorrow and hopefully get this taken care of in less than a month's time like the front wheel.
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    It seems to me that the label SL is not meant for someone of 200 lbs.

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    Clean the rim and look around for the seams. The hoop has 4 quarters, so 4 seams look very closely you will find them. Once you find 3 look if this lines up as the 4th, if it does specialized will warranty it no question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by g-bike View Post
    It seems to me that the label SL is not meant for someone of 200 lbs.
    Nah, they're fine. I'm over 200 too. No issues on these wheels here. I've had them for about a year now. Haven't been riding them the whole time but I did do quite a bit of riding on them when I first got them.

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    I can't speak highly enough of the wheels. Very very strong, and have been in true since I bought them. 1,500kms and no issues. Fantastic. I'm 92kg.

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    I also have had no issues with the wheels..... plenty of east coast rock, mud and roots with my 210lb carcass pushing the bike hard..... I will prefess that statement as that I do treat them as race wheels....
    just ride... who cares how big your wheels are

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    If they tell you "that'll buff right out," I would be concerned

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    I hope these are the shizzle.......I just walked out of the shop with a pair
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    Well, I stopped by the shop today and my mechanic is not happy. He will be sending them back to Spec to inspect. He is not impressed with them and is sendings his remaing stock of wheels that he carries back to Spec as well.

    The sad thing is, I have never had a wheel fail in my entire life until now, not even cheap wheels. I fork out a ton of coin on my nicest wheelset to date and they come out with one defective wheel and the possibility of a second.

    My last set of Mavic Crossmax SLR's had thousands of miles on them and I never had to do anything but replace a spoke. I rode those hard in races and even in Moab without issue. These carbon wheels have only been ridden on the Boise dirt sidewalks and have failed miserably.

    I hope that Specialied steps up to the plate and does the right thing. So far I have 200 miles and two bad wheels.
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    I too just purchased a set of Roval Carbon 29 wheels to go on my Epic, The owner at my LBS has a pair that he has been riding hard for the past 8 months, and he can't speak highly enough about them. He sold me the pair per his high recommendation etc. I hope that I didn't make a mistake as I have never shelled out that type of money for a wheel set. Hope Spec does the right thing and has them replaced.

    On a side note, I have recently had issues with my Roval SL 26" wheel set. I was running them tubeless and had to grab a handful of brakes coming down a steep smooth decent. The front tire burped air and sealant out and the tire went flat. I placed a tube in the tire, and reinstalled on the fork. When I spun the reinstalled wheel, it had a horrible wobble in it. Thinking I had bent a spoke, I took it into my LBS and they "tried" to true it. They were able to get it pretty close, but it still has a noticeable wobble to it when spun freely in the truing stand. Wondering if anyone else has had issues with the Roval Control SL 26". I was digging on Spec website and I see that Roval Wheels have a limited lifetime warranty. Wonder what they consider to be under warranty vs not?

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    Since I really liked these wheels up to the point of havig the recent problems, I would prefer to be riding a working set of Roval's that I didn't have to worry about, but...

    As a back-up plan, what would people suggest as a light weight (possibly carbon) wheelset for my Epic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoiseBoy View Post
    I was wondering if anybody on the Specialized forum has had any difficulties with their carbon wheels?

    So, the question is, has anybody else had any problems with the carbon fiber wheels? I know there is not a rider weight limit, but should there be?
    According the Specialized website their carbon wheels do have a weight limit of 240lbs (which you're obviously below). But it seems they do acknowledge that the CF has limitations.

    I rode a set of the Control Trail SL 29 on a S-works Stumpjumper FSR demo and was pretty blown away by their feel and lightness. At 300lbs BW, I was nervous about breaking them, though. The Specialized tech at the demo was unaware of the weight limit on these wheels, even after I queried him about it. More of that story here.

    I hope you can get this sorted out satisfactorily.

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    I have had a set of 26 inch wheels since May without a single problem. The set on my new 29er are so far.
    I know of two that have cracked. One was due to a racer buddy of mine trying to bunny hop a rock garden and slamming down right in the point of a mean looking rock. The other cracked wheel was from Conrad Stoltz (a big guy for sure) riding the very same rock garden. I think a aluminum wheel would have had similar damage in both cases.
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    I'm suprised no one has commented on his tire pressure at 200 pounds on the rear wheel. I think that is too low pressure at 200 pounds on any wheel. 24-28 PSI IMHO is too low and I wouldn't recomend anything under 30 at 200 pounds. I'm 170, and ride 28-31 in the rear on stans arch.

    I've seen several of these wheels broken lately...has anyone seen a broken enve wheel? However, I plan to get some carbon Roval's too.

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    I had been getting the same ride characteristics from 24-28psi with these wheels as I had been getting with my 26" Mavic SLR's at 34-38psi.

    No pinch flats, no bottoming out, no roll offs.
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    I have had Roval Control SL E5's rebuilt under warranty before 2 years after purchase. So I assume these will get taken care of. My LBS has been steering me away from the carbon Roval and towards an enve build.

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    I weight 215-220 and ride 24 psi in the rear and 22 psi in the front with 1.95 Renegades set up tubeless... tires still feel rock hard. Best wheels I have ever ridden!

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    Gonna go give these a rip tomorrow.....
    Weighed in at 1450 with tape and valves only. Compared to my Stan's race at 1381. But I murdered those rims
    Hope these hold up better....
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    Just had my Roval Carbon 29er rear rim replaced. Mine also cracked but not as bad as some of the pictures on this thread. Now looking at purchasing a aluminum set for training and having fun with.

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    Why are you guys starting to worry me with all these comments of cracks and replacements
    I got these to replace the Stans I kept trashing this year......Thought carbon would be stronger....
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    No worries on the wheels but I would watch out for the Sram XX World Cups (Magnesium).
    I'm on count them brake set number six. Sram just sent out the regular XX brakes and they work great!
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    What problem are you having with the XX World Cups? I have a set, but haven't had any problems yet. Are you talking about the 2011 black versions without the pad adjust?

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    Yes 2011 black version. Magnesium and the fluid are having a reaction in the taper bores causing them to fail. The new XX World Cups coming out are being made from Aluminum.
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    I tweaked a front rim. Bent the crap out of it. Spesh replaced it no questions asked. (for sale currently). Great rims tho.

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    I just heard from my LBS and it appears that Specialized has been having some issues with the wheels delaminating. My wheels will be warrantied.

    Thank you for taking care of your customers, Specialized!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoiseBoy View Post
    I just heard from my LBS and it appears that Specialized has been having some issues with the wheels delaminating. My wheels will be warrantied.

    Thank you for taking care of your customers, Specialized!
    Do you know if it's 29'er and/or Control SL specific ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigebaker View Post
    What problem are you having with the XX World Cups? I have a set, but haven't had any problems yet. Are you talking about the 2011 black versions without the pad adjust?
    And I had my '11 XX world cup brakes replaced recently with regular XX's too. I don't know what the specific issue was but the symptom was that after being bled my front brake would get super squishy pretty quickly without any use.

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    Rovals

    I have a set of carbon roval 26" no issues at all, I ran trough the moroccan dessert 500 kms and one very fast descent of about 30 kms prying the wheels (or the bike) to break, but nothing happens,(I wanted to get out of that race) the rovals are like new, no breaks, no delamination, great wheels!!

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    Not one problem with the set I have. That said I had a pair of 355's flexy as heck, these replaced a set of Archs which I also liked but were of course some 300 grams heavier.

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    Just found some damage on my front wheel today. Damage is area of stress fractures, nothing broke but you can tell its not right. Looks to be not caused from impact.

    Check your wheels up close and in good light.
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    Here is my two cents worth...

    I've had no issues with the Roval Control SL 29 wheels that came on my S Works epic for the last year. I liked carbon wheels so much that I purchased a set of Easton EC90 XC 29 carbon wheels for my wifes bike. She never notices anything on her bike but these wheels had her bragging she was riding on Stans ZTR 29 race gold wheels they are that much better.

    For $150 per-rim these seem like a pretty good deal for my SS bike carbon mountain bike 29er rim clincher - light-bicycle

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    I have just finished a 5 hour mountain ride. Over 3 hours of climbing 5,000 ft on rutted tracks past the last of the snow, followed by [about 5 minutes] of descending back down again ;-)

    For this ride I chose the carbon Rovals, with nevegal tyres. Awesome. I have a set of TN317 rims with DT350 hubs waiting for the knarly rides, but I find that the Rovals can handle all the abuse I throw at them. Including a 5,000 ft downhill over rough ground....

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    I've had no issue at all with my carbon Rovals, all 3 sets of them. Flawless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M3ichael View Post
    Just found some damage on my front wheel today. Damage is area of stress fractures, nothing broke but you can tell its not right. Looks to be not caused from impact.

    Check your wheels up close and in good light.
    Actually it looks like it came from an impact. It looks as if the rim flexed and the epoxy separated from the fibers slightly
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshS View Post
    Actually it looks like it came from an impact. It looks as if the rim flexed and the epoxy separated from the fibers slightly
    Here's a pic from my rear wheel with impact back in October. Remember Specialized has had issues with the early versions of these wheels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M3ichael View Post
    Here's a pic from my rear wheel with impact back in October. Remember Specialized has had issues with the early versions of these wheels.
    i think it is interesting to note that every one of the failures i have seen on these rims corresponds directly with a spoke. it seems that the stress of impact alone is not enough to break these.

    i wonder if future iterations of this rim will wind up with a modification to layup or design to aid in spreading spoke tension more evenly along the chord....


    comically, if you can plan your rim strikes to only fall between spokes you should be safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M3ichael View Post
    Here's a pic from my rear wheel with impact back in October. Remember Specialized has had issues with the early versions of these wheels.
    I'm assuming not but did they warranty that for you? My front has just done something similar.

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    mmkay..great topic

    Pulled the trigger today and they should be here by the weekend,one of the very last pair available for the italian market.
    I'm currently off season at 174lbs and planning to get to 169/170 for season start in early september,but then again some extra weight will kick in for winter,nothing that can be done about it. Well,let's touch some serious wood and use the road bike to stay as skinny as possible....
    And if they'll blow up I'll get the 2013 replacement...

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    Same weight as you and I beat mine up with no issues. You'll be ok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irishpitbull View Post
    Same weight as you and I beat mine up with no issues. You'll be ok.
    "beat up mine" sounds a bit too overly confident

    Is there any precautions I should take ? Will I be able to face the occasional bumpy downhill without paranoia as I used to do with the aluminum ones ? I'm sure it will be more like a psychological thing...
    I usually keep my pressure at 37/38 PSI,hope this will watch after them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devastazione View Post
    "beat up mine" sounds a bit too overly confident

    Is there any precautions I should take ? Will I be able to face the occasional bumpy downhill without paranoia as I used to do with the aluminum ones ? I'm sure it will be more like a psychological thing...
    I usually keep my pressure at 37/38 PSI,hope this will watch after them.
    Sack up bro. I have done some pretty gnarly stuff at 25/28 psi and the wheels are fine. I think your way over thinking this.
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    I'm thinking of getting a pair of these in lieu of a new bike this year, since it doesn't look like the new Epics are going to be much different. I know the front hub is adaptable to pretty much anything. The site says the rear comes with 135 and 142 endcaps, does that mean they can be used with the Epic frame with their 142 thru axle AND a regular QR rear wheel frame?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew-FSR View Post
    I'm thinking of getting a pair of these in lieu of a new bike this year, since it doesn't look like the new Epics are going to be much different. I know the front hub is adaptable to pretty much anything. The site says the rear comes with 135 and 142 endcaps, does that mean they can be used with the Epic frame with their 142 thru axle AND a regular QR rear wheel frame?
    yes.

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    The carbon roval on the rear of my Epic busted at a relatively tame trail (Oak Cliff Nature Preserve in DFW). It was a huge dissappointment.. I run about 29 psi on the rear. I was literally just riding along and something didn't feel right... got off to investigate and noticed the crack. For those considering buying the rovals, a replacement hoop alone for one wheel is $800!! Supposedly it is $500 shop cost.. No way I'm paying that for a hoop. I just ordered a rim from Nancy at light bicycle.. hopefully it will be as durable. $150 for a replacement rim seems more reasonable. The ERD is within about .5 - 1 mm, so I'm hoping to reuse my spokes. I'll post up here when the hoop gets here.. I know I'm not the only one who has been in my same predicament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rl.robertson View Post
    The carbon roval on the rear of my Epic busted at a relatively tame trail (Oak Cliff Nature Preserve in DFW). It was a huge dissappointment.. I run about 29 psi on the rear. I was literally just riding along and something didn't feel right... got off to investigate and noticed the crack. For those considering buying the rovals, a replacement hoop alone for one wheel is $800!! Supposedly it is $500 shop cost.. No way I'm paying that for a hoop. I just ordered a rim from Nancy at light bicycle.. hopefully it will be as durable. $150 for a replacement rim seems more reasonable. The ERD is within about .5 - 1 mm, so I'm hoping to reuse my spokes. I'll post up here when the hoop gets here.. I know I'm not the only one who has been in my same predicament.

    I guess the 29psi says it all..
    Touching some woods of course,since I've got them but did not placed them yet . It's 36 PSI all the way for me,even on my 26 Stumpy FSR.
    If you can post a picture of the crack that would be nice and a good reference. Can you also tell us when did you buy them ?
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    Forgot to add.. I'm 173-180 race weight.. really light on my wheels. Rode for years on stans with 170 pound limit with no issues. But for those with rovals, get at least a 2.0 rear, and run psi higher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rl.robertson View Post
    Forgot to add.. I'm 173-180 race weight.. really light on my wheels. Rode for years on stans with 170 pound limit with no issues. But for those with rovals, get at least a 2.0 rear, and run psi higher.
    And I'm 200lbs, and have been riding my 2011's for 18 months @28lbs without any issues. Seriously, if these wheelsets were dodgy, we'd have known about it by now. With carbon I would always expect there to be individual units that are defective. At least until the perfect the automation of the layups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rl.robertson View Post
    The carbon roval on the rear of my Epic busted at a relatively tame trail (Oak Cliff Nature Preserve in DFW). It was a huge dissappointment.. I run about 29 psi on the rear. I was literally just riding along and something didn't feel right... got off to investigate and noticed the crack. For those considering buying the rovals, a replacement hoop alone for one wheel is $800!! Supposedly it is $500 shop cost.. No way I'm paying that for a hoop. I just ordered a rim from Nancy at light bicycle.. hopefully it will be as durable. $150 for a replacement rim seems more reasonable. The ERD is within about .5 - 1 mm, so I'm hoping to reuse my spokes. I'll post up here when the hoop gets here.. I know I'm not the only one who has been in my same predicament.
    FYI if you had gotten a crack and bought them from a dealer, the lifetime warranty would have covered them. As one has come into my local shop.
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    It's always about how much you weigh and how you use the wheels. I weigh 152# and have no problem with running these wheels at 22-25psi. I ride pretty hard XC, but I don't go jumping off of buildings.
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    Brand new unused set, is this wheel wrong or something ? Took the pic to share it with friends on my FB page and a friend of mine asked me if the wheel was defective. They looked ok to me upon inspection but this pic is sure ugly. I'll check them again tonight ..
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