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    Roval Control SL 29 Wheels

    I was wondering if anybody on the Specialized forum has had any difficulties with their carbon wheels?

    I purchased a new Epic with the upgraded wheels from my LBS back in September.
    The front wheel had a bit of a wobble in it that I noticed on my first ride. After my LBS came to the conclusion that the wheel had extra carbon built up on the one side of the wheel, it was sent to Spec and the hoop was replaced.

    No problem, other than the fact that the process took nearly a month.

    I get the wheel back, get ready for a ride, then notice this in my back wheel before I even get out of the garage. It looks like the entire sidewall of the wheel has cracked and is coming apart.

    The bike has essentially not been touched in a month and has only a couple hundred miles of Boise, buffed single track on it. No drops, no big rocks, no wrecks etc...

    I run them around 24-28lbs, tubeless, and with sealant. I weigh a little over 200lbs with gear. I have been told that I am a really smoothe rider and I am typically pretty easy on my equipment.

    So, the question is, has anybody else had any problems with the carbon fiber wheels? I know there is not a rider weight limit, but should there be?

    I will be stopping by my LBS tomorrow and hopefully get this taken care of in less than a month's time like the front wheel.
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    It seems to me that the label SL is not meant for someone of 200 lbs.

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    Clean the rim and look around for the seams. The hoop has 4 quarters, so 4 seams look very closely you will find them. Once you find 3 look if this lines up as the 4th, if it does specialized will warranty it no question.

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    Quote Originally Posted by g-bike View Post
    It seems to me that the label SL is not meant for someone of 200 lbs.
    Nah, they're fine. I'm over 200 too. No issues on these wheels here. I've had them for about a year now. Haven't been riding them the whole time but I did do quite a bit of riding on them when I first got them.

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    I can't speak highly enough of the wheels. Very very strong, and have been in true since I bought them. 1,500kms and no issues. Fantastic. I'm 92kg.

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    I also have had no issues with the wheels..... plenty of east coast rock, mud and roots with my 210lb carcass pushing the bike hard..... I will prefess that statement as that I do treat them as race wheels....
    just ride... who cares how big your wheels are

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    If they tell you "that'll buff right out," I would be concerned

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    I hope these are the shizzle.......I just walked out of the shop with a pair
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    Well, I stopped by the shop today and my mechanic is not happy. He will be sending them back to Spec to inspect. He is not impressed with them and is sendings his remaing stock of wheels that he carries back to Spec as well.

    The sad thing is, I have never had a wheel fail in my entire life until now, not even cheap wheels. I fork out a ton of coin on my nicest wheelset to date and they come out with one defective wheel and the possibility of a second.

    My last set of Mavic Crossmax SLR's had thousands of miles on them and I never had to do anything but replace a spoke. I rode those hard in races and even in Moab without issue. These carbon wheels have only been ridden on the Boise dirt sidewalks and have failed miserably.

    I hope that Specialied steps up to the plate and does the right thing. So far I have 200 miles and two bad wheels.
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    I too just purchased a set of Roval Carbon 29 wheels to go on my Epic, The owner at my LBS has a pair that he has been riding hard for the past 8 months, and he can't speak highly enough about them. He sold me the pair per his high recommendation etc. I hope that I didn't make a mistake as I have never shelled out that type of money for a wheel set. Hope Spec does the right thing and has them replaced.

    On a side note, I have recently had issues with my Roval SL 26" wheel set. I was running them tubeless and had to grab a handful of brakes coming down a steep smooth decent. The front tire burped air and sealant out and the tire went flat. I placed a tube in the tire, and reinstalled on the fork. When I spun the reinstalled wheel, it had a horrible wobble in it. Thinking I had bent a spoke, I took it into my LBS and they "tried" to true it. They were able to get it pretty close, but it still has a noticeable wobble to it when spun freely in the truing stand. Wondering if anyone else has had issues with the Roval Control SL 26". I was digging on Spec website and I see that Roval Wheels have a limited lifetime warranty. Wonder what they consider to be under warranty vs not?

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    Since I really liked these wheels up to the point of havig the recent problems, I would prefer to be riding a working set of Roval's that I didn't have to worry about, but...

    As a back-up plan, what would people suggest as a light weight (possibly carbon) wheelset for my Epic?
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoiseBoy View Post
    I was wondering if anybody on the Specialized forum has had any difficulties with their carbon wheels?

    So, the question is, has anybody else had any problems with the carbon fiber wheels? I know there is not a rider weight limit, but should there be?
    According the Specialized website their carbon wheels do have a weight limit of 240lbs (which you're obviously below). But it seems they do acknowledge that the CF has limitations.

    I rode a set of the Control Trail SL 29 on a S-works Stumpjumper FSR demo and was pretty blown away by their feel and lightness. At 300lbs BW, I was nervous about breaking them, though. The Specialized tech at the demo was unaware of the weight limit on these wheels, even after I queried him about it. More of that story here.

    I hope you can get this sorted out satisfactorily.

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    I have had a set of 26 inch wheels since May without a single problem. The set on my new 29er are so far.
    I know of two that have cracked. One was due to a racer buddy of mine trying to bunny hop a rock garden and slamming down right in the point of a mean looking rock. The other cracked wheel was from Conrad Stoltz (a big guy for sure) riding the very same rock garden. I think a aluminum wheel would have had similar damage in both cases.
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    I'm suprised no one has commented on his tire pressure at 200 pounds on the rear wheel. I think that is too low pressure at 200 pounds on any wheel. 24-28 PSI IMHO is too low and I wouldn't recomend anything under 30 at 200 pounds. I'm 170, and ride 28-31 in the rear on stans arch.

    I've seen several of these wheels broken lately...has anyone seen a broken enve wheel? However, I plan to get some carbon Roval's too.

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    I had been getting the same ride characteristics from 24-28psi with these wheels as I had been getting with my 26" Mavic SLR's at 34-38psi.

    No pinch flats, no bottoming out, no roll offs.
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    I have had Roval Control SL E5's rebuilt under warranty before 2 years after purchase. So I assume these will get taken care of. My LBS has been steering me away from the carbon Roval and towards an enve build.

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    I weight 215-220 and ride 24 psi in the rear and 22 psi in the front with 1.95 Renegades set up tubeless... tires still feel rock hard. Best wheels I have ever ridden!

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    Gonna go give these a rip tomorrow.....
    Weighed in at 1450 with tape and valves only. Compared to my Stan's race at 1381. But I murdered those rims
    Hope these hold up better....
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    Just had my Roval Carbon 29er rear rim replaced. Mine also cracked but not as bad as some of the pictures on this thread. Now looking at purchasing a aluminum set for training and having fun with.

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    Why are you guys starting to worry me with all these comments of cracks and replacements
    I got these to replace the Stans I kept trashing this year......Thought carbon would be stronger....
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    No worries on the wheels but I would watch out for the Sram XX World Cups (Magnesium).
    I'm on count them brake set number six. Sram just sent out the regular XX brakes and they work great!
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    What problem are you having with the XX World Cups? I have a set, but haven't had any problems yet. Are you talking about the 2011 black versions without the pad adjust?

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    Yes 2011 black version. Magnesium and the fluid are having a reaction in the taper bores causing them to fail. The new XX World Cups coming out are being made from Aluminum.
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    I tweaked a front rim. Bent the crap out of it. Spesh replaced it no questions asked. (for sale currently). Great rims tho.

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    I just heard from my LBS and it appears that Specialized has been having some issues with the wheels delaminating. My wheels will be warrantied.

    Thank you for taking care of your customers, Specialized!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BoiseBoy View Post
    I just heard from my LBS and it appears that Specialized has been having some issues with the wheels delaminating. My wheels will be warrantied.

    Thank you for taking care of your customers, Specialized!
    Do you know if it's 29'er and/or Control SL specific ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigebaker View Post
    What problem are you having with the XX World Cups? I have a set, but haven't had any problems yet. Are you talking about the 2011 black versions without the pad adjust?
    And I had my '11 XX world cup brakes replaced recently with regular XX's too. I don't know what the specific issue was but the symptom was that after being bled my front brake would get super squishy pretty quickly without any use.

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    Rovals

    I have a set of carbon roval 26" no issues at all, I ran trough the moroccan dessert 500 kms and one very fast descent of about 30 kms prying the wheels (or the bike) to break, but nothing happens,(I wanted to get out of that race) the rovals are like new, no breaks, no delamination, great wheels!!

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    Not one problem with the set I have. That said I had a pair of 355's flexy as heck, these replaced a set of Archs which I also liked but were of course some 300 grams heavier.

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    Just found some damage on my front wheel today. Damage is area of stress fractures, nothing broke but you can tell its not right. Looks to be not caused from impact.

    Check your wheels up close and in good light.
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    Here is my two cents worth...

    I've had no issues with the Roval Control SL 29 wheels that came on my S Works epic for the last year. I liked carbon wheels so much that I purchased a set of Easton EC90 XC 29 carbon wheels for my wifes bike. She never notices anything on her bike but these wheels had her bragging she was riding on Stans ZTR 29 race gold wheels they are that much better.

    For $150 per-rim these seem like a pretty good deal for my SS bike carbon mountain bike 29er rim clincher - light-bicycle

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    I have just finished a 5 hour mountain ride. Over 3 hours of climbing 5,000 ft on rutted tracks past the last of the snow, followed by [about 5 minutes] of descending back down again ;-)

    For this ride I chose the carbon Rovals, with nevegal tyres. Awesome. I have a set of TN317 rims with DT350 hubs waiting for the knarly rides, but I find that the Rovals can handle all the abuse I throw at them. Including a 5,000 ft downhill over rough ground....

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    I've had no issue at all with my carbon Rovals, all 3 sets of them. Flawless.

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    Quote Originally Posted by M3ichael View Post
    Just found some damage on my front wheel today. Damage is area of stress fractures, nothing broke but you can tell its not right. Looks to be not caused from impact.

    Check your wheels up close and in good light.
    Actually it looks like it came from an impact. It looks as if the rim flexed and the epoxy separated from the fibers slightly
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    Quote Originally Posted by JoshS View Post
    Actually it looks like it came from an impact. It looks as if the rim flexed and the epoxy separated from the fibers slightly
    Here's a pic from my rear wheel with impact back in October. Remember Specialized has had issues with the early versions of these wheels.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M3ichael View Post
    Here's a pic from my rear wheel with impact back in October. Remember Specialized has had issues with the early versions of these wheels.
    i think it is interesting to note that every one of the failures i have seen on these rims corresponds directly with a spoke. it seems that the stress of impact alone is not enough to break these.

    i wonder if future iterations of this rim will wind up with a modification to layup or design to aid in spreading spoke tension more evenly along the chord....


    comically, if you can plan your rim strikes to only fall between spokes you should be safe.
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    Quote Originally Posted by M3ichael View Post
    Here's a pic from my rear wheel with impact back in October. Remember Specialized has had issues with the early versions of these wheels.
    I'm assuming not but did they warranty that for you? My front has just done something similar.

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    mmkay..great topic

    Pulled the trigger today and they should be here by the weekend,one of the very last pair available for the italian market.
    I'm currently off season at 174lbs and planning to get to 169/170 for season start in early september,but then again some extra weight will kick in for winter,nothing that can be done about it. Well,let's touch some serious wood and use the road bike to stay as skinny as possible....
    And if they'll blow up I'll get the 2013 replacement...

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    Same weight as you and I beat mine up with no issues. You'll be ok.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irishpitbull View Post
    Same weight as you and I beat mine up with no issues. You'll be ok.
    "beat up mine" sounds a bit too overly confident

    Is there any precautions I should take ? Will I be able to face the occasional bumpy downhill without paranoia as I used to do with the aluminum ones ? I'm sure it will be more like a psychological thing...
    I usually keep my pressure at 37/38 PSI,hope this will watch after them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devastazione View Post
    "beat up mine" sounds a bit too overly confident

    Is there any precautions I should take ? Will I be able to face the occasional bumpy downhill without paranoia as I used to do with the aluminum ones ? I'm sure it will be more like a psychological thing...
    I usually keep my pressure at 37/38 PSI,hope this will watch after them.
    Sack up bro. I have done some pretty gnarly stuff at 25/28 psi and the wheels are fine. I think your way over thinking this.
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    I'm thinking of getting a pair of these in lieu of a new bike this year, since it doesn't look like the new Epics are going to be much different. I know the front hub is adaptable to pretty much anything. The site says the rear comes with 135 and 142 endcaps, does that mean they can be used with the Epic frame with their 142 thru axle AND a regular QR rear wheel frame?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew-FSR View Post
    I'm thinking of getting a pair of these in lieu of a new bike this year, since it doesn't look like the new Epics are going to be much different. I know the front hub is adaptable to pretty much anything. The site says the rear comes with 135 and 142 endcaps, does that mean they can be used with the Epic frame with their 142 thru axle AND a regular QR rear wheel frame?
    yes.

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    The carbon roval on the rear of my Epic busted at a relatively tame trail (Oak Cliff Nature Preserve in DFW). It was a huge dissappointment.. I run about 29 psi on the rear. I was literally just riding along and something didn't feel right... got off to investigate and noticed the crack. For those considering buying the rovals, a replacement hoop alone for one wheel is $800!! Supposedly it is $500 shop cost.. No way I'm paying that for a hoop. I just ordered a rim from Nancy at light bicycle.. hopefully it will be as durable. $150 for a replacement rim seems more reasonable. The ERD is within about .5 - 1 mm, so I'm hoping to reuse my spokes. I'll post up here when the hoop gets here.. I know I'm not the only one who has been in my same predicament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rl.robertson View Post
    The carbon roval on the rear of my Epic busted at a relatively tame trail (Oak Cliff Nature Preserve in DFW). It was a huge dissappointment.. I run about 29 psi on the rear. I was literally just riding along and something didn't feel right... got off to investigate and noticed the crack. For those considering buying the rovals, a replacement hoop alone for one wheel is $800!! Supposedly it is $500 shop cost.. No way I'm paying that for a hoop. I just ordered a rim from Nancy at light bicycle.. hopefully it will be as durable. $150 for a replacement rim seems more reasonable. The ERD is within about .5 - 1 mm, so I'm hoping to reuse my spokes. I'll post up here when the hoop gets here.. I know I'm not the only one who has been in my same predicament.

    I guess the 29psi says it all..
    Touching some woods of course,since I've got them but did not placed them yet . It's 36 PSI all the way for me,even on my 26 Stumpy FSR.
    If you can post a picture of the crack that would be nice and a good reference. Can you also tell us when did you buy them ?
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    Forgot to add.. I'm 173-180 race weight.. really light on my wheels. Rode for years on stans with 170 pound limit with no issues. But for those with rovals, get at least a 2.0 rear, and run psi higher.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rl.robertson View Post
    Forgot to add.. I'm 173-180 race weight.. really light on my wheels. Rode for years on stans with 170 pound limit with no issues. But for those with rovals, get at least a 2.0 rear, and run psi higher.
    And I'm 200lbs, and have been riding my 2011's for 18 months @28lbs without any issues. Seriously, if these wheelsets were dodgy, we'd have known about it by now. With carbon I would always expect there to be individual units that are defective. At least until the perfect the automation of the layups.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rl.robertson View Post
    The carbon roval on the rear of my Epic busted at a relatively tame trail (Oak Cliff Nature Preserve in DFW). It was a huge dissappointment.. I run about 29 psi on the rear. I was literally just riding along and something didn't feel right... got off to investigate and noticed the crack. For those considering buying the rovals, a replacement hoop alone for one wheel is $800!! Supposedly it is $500 shop cost.. No way I'm paying that for a hoop. I just ordered a rim from Nancy at light bicycle.. hopefully it will be as durable. $150 for a replacement rim seems more reasonable. The ERD is within about .5 - 1 mm, so I'm hoping to reuse my spokes. I'll post up here when the hoop gets here.. I know I'm not the only one who has been in my same predicament.
    FYI if you had gotten a crack and bought them from a dealer, the lifetime warranty would have covered them. As one has come into my local shop.
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    It's always about how much you weigh and how you use the wheels. I weigh 152# and have no problem with running these wheels at 22-25psi. I ride pretty hard XC, but I don't go jumping off of buildings.
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    Brand new unused set, is this wheel wrong or something ? Took the pic to share it with friends on my FB page and a friend of mine asked me if the wheel was defective. They looked ok to me upon inspection but this pic is sure ugly. I'll check them again tonight ..
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    What am I missing? I don't see anything?
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    Quote Originally Posted by irishpitbull View Post
    What am I missing? I don't see anything?
    Look at the space between the cardboard and my knee,it may just be and it sure is a photo effect,but it looks like the left side of the rim has a bigger edge or something,don't know if these are correc english terms. I'll mount them on my truing stand tonight and check the heck out of them

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devastazione View Post
    Look at the space between the cardboard and my knee,it may just be and it sure is a photo effect,but it looks like the left side of the rim has a bigger edge or something,don't know if these are correc english terms. I'll mount them on my truing stand tonight and check the heck out of them
    Check it out. Its looks ok to me. But I do see it now.
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    Not sure I can see the defect...the check like appearance most assume is carbon is more of graphic really, gives it the cf look. Does the edge of the rim not feel smooth to touch, like it has a divot in it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHSAD View Post
    Not sure I can see the defect...the check like appearance most assume is carbon is more of graphic really, gives it the cf look. Does the edge of the rim not feel smooth to touch, like it has a divot in it?
    The check like CF texture is ok and also between the 2 black spokes where the texture gets sort of broken that's just the rim's junction point
    On a quick inspection everything seemed normal,no sharp edges no nothing, just smooth carbon. It is not the CF graphic texture that scares me but rather that sort of bigger rim wall on one side. It may just be an ugly Iphone pic + ugly neon garage light effect and I really hope so. Even on a quick QC inspection a badly machined side should be something easy to spot hopefully...

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    Damaged Roval carbon 29 trail

    After talking to many riders who have cracked these
    I'm getting the impression that the rims are weak and prone
    to failure.

    I purchased the trail version but the rims are all the same.

    I cracked my rear on a double track fire road. Since I had no major impacts
    I didn't notice the damage untill I was cleaning the bike.

    My previous wheels were the stan crest and I never dented those.
    I'm not a big wheel wrecker. The crests are very light and not particularly
    strong.

    I ran a pair of dt carbon rims in 26 for two years and they have 0 damage.

    I'm planning on rebuilding my wheel with a stronger more reliable
    rim like the enve.

    If the roval rim broke this easy,buying another one seem like a bad investment.

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    Placing them tonight on my Epic and can't way to test them. What can I say ? Time will tell....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wad View Post
    After talking to many riders who have cracked these
    I'm getting the impression that the rims are weak and prone
    to failure.

    I purchased the trail version but the rims are all the same.

    I cracked my rear on a double track fire road. Since I had no major impacts
    I didn't notice the damage untill I was cleaning the bike.

    My previous wheels were the stan crest and I never dented those.
    I'm not a big wheel wrecker. The crests are very light and not particularly
    strong.

    I ran a pair of dt carbon rims in 26 for two years and they have 0 damage.

    I'm planning on rebuilding my wheel with a stronger more reliable
    rim like the enve.

    If the roval rim broke this easy,buying another one seem like a bad investment.

    Ya- and the LBS wanted 800 big ones for a replacement rim alone.. I ended up buying a carbon rim from light-bicycle.com. It took 3 weeks to get it in from China, but seems identical to the Roval SL minus the logos. Just had it laced up today- I was able to have them reuse the spokes since the ERD was within about 1mm.. This route cost SIGNIFICANTLY less than the OEM route. I'll have to ride on it a while to see if it is durable, but I can buy 4 of these for the price of one Roval.. Seems to be of high quality though - I'll take my chances. Wanted to post this up for those with busted Rovals that were in my predicament.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rl.robertson View Post
    Ya- and the LBS wanted 800 big ones for a replacement rim alone..
    Aren't these wheels covered with a lifetime warranty ? A lot of " no question asked replacements " in bike forums all over the net. A roadie friend of mine even had a Roval carbon rim replaced NQA after a ugly melt due to a very long and steep downhill ride.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wad View Post
    After talking to many riders who have cracked these
    I'm getting the impression that the rims are weak and prone
    to failure.

    I purchased the trail version but the rims are all the same.

    I cracked my rear on a double track fire road. Since I had no major impacts
    I didn't notice the damage untill I was cleaning the bike.

    My previous wheels were the stan crest and I never dented those.
    I'm not a big wheel wrecker. The crests are very light and not particularly
    strong.

    I ran a pair of dt carbon rims in 26 for two years and they have 0 damage.

    I'm planning on rebuilding my wheel with a stronger more reliable
    rim like the enve.

    If the roval rim broke this easy,buying another one seem like a bad investment.
    Well, welcome to the internet. And your comments on these wheels are wrong. There are a LOT of people on these forums who have these wheels in 29er with no issues. My LBS which sold 15 SW 29ers had only 1 issue and that was with a chap who cooked the rim with his car exhaust.

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    Okay here she is,new shoes ! Never bonded 100% with the image of the final aesthetic outcome seing other guys pic's here that have the very same combo but I must admit it looks a lot better in the flesh. Adding sealant today and maiden ride due in about 10 days. Wish me good luck ( 171 lbs, 2.6 bars...)
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    Wrong ?

    What comments were "wrong"?

    1) The roval carbon 29 trail rim can be damaged during
    regular trail riding. Confirmed by Spec. warranty dept.
    2) I based this conclusion on damaging my own set and
    talking to other riders and racers who had virtually the same
    experience. Some sponsored by Spec.
    3) These wheels are very strong overall. I'm specifically
    comenting on the rims resistance to impact damage.

    In my opinion a rim designed for trail use needs to withstand
    common trail impacts.

    I'm glad you have not seen failures yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devastazione View Post
    Aren't these wheels covered with a lifetime warranty ? A lot of " no question asked replacements " in bike forums all over the net. A roadie friend of mine even had a Roval carbon rim replaced NQA after a ugly melt due to a very long and steep downhill ride.
    I bought mine second hand off of a fellow racer- he had about a year on them.. It's not morally right to have him go back to Specialized and ask for a warranty replacement, so this is what led me to the Chinese carbon hoops. For the original owner though, it seems to be a great replacement policy.

    Quote Originally Posted by Devastazione View Post
    Okay here she is,new shoes ! Never bonded 100% with the image of the final aesthetic outcome seing other guys pic's here that have the very same combo but I must admit it looks a lot better in the flesh. Adding sealant today and maiden ride due in about 10 days. Wish me good luck ( 171 lbs, 2.6 bars...)
    Sounds good! I busted my rear rim running at 28 psi on a 29x1.9 renegade. Since replacement, I've ran a 2.0 fast trak, at 31 psi and haven't had any problems. I'm around
    185 lbs, so sounds like you'll have no problem with those numbers.

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    Skiwi, the rims definitely will break with a significant impact. My riding buddy broke his on the first ride wdith the 1.95 Renegade. I suffered a minor ding on the same ride, but the tire still held air tubeless. Got 2 more dings subsequently and the rim finally leaked sealant after the 3rd one. Admittedly, we run very low pressures and should have changed out to larger volume tires right away. I was seduced by the incredibly low rolling resistance of the Renegade and decided to chance it till the tire wore out. I can afford the replacement, so it wasn't quite as stupid a move.

    I have to tell you that there is NO lifetime warranty if you hit a rock and crack the sidewall, folks. Period. There is a crash replacement policy, $500 cost to the bike shop. The free replacement some talk about was only if the rim started separating at the joints, an early manufacturing defect.

    My riding buddy is the lbs owner and even he couldn't wrangle a free replacement. We both had to pony up for the crash replacement one. Now I ride 2.35 Nobby Nics with snakeskin sidewall protection and haven't had any damage. They really are wonderful rims.

    I hope this clears up the warranty issue with these wheels.

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    True!

    I cracked my rear rim after switching to a renegade for Leadville.
    Luckily that was during training.
    The renegade is very fast but I wouldn't recommend it for trail riding.
    I think I was running it at 35 psi when the damage occurred.
    I normally run larger 2.2 -2.3 tires.
    Smaller tires on these rims might be the issue.

    I rebuilt my wheel with non roval rim. Wider, cheaper and
    hopefully stronger.

    I couldn't justify using the same rim that broke so easily again.

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    I still have 2 brand new renegades to use before I can place a 2.0 Fast Trak LK in the back. I really love the ultra fast renegade,I'll make sure to stick to 37 PSI and XC roads,wich is actually what I do all the time anyway. Testing rims on sidewalks around the neighborhood these days, so far they can take drops....
    Bottom line I'm just being paranoid and my first ride after 5 months of stop is tomorrow,I'm just going to beat the s*** out of this bike/wheels....
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wad View Post
    True!

    I cracked my rear rim after switching to a renegade for Leadville.
    Luckily that was during training.
    The renegade is very fast but I wouldn't recommend it for trail riding.
    I think I was running it at 35 psi when the damage occurred.
    I normally run larger 2.2 -2.3 tires.
    Smaller tires on these rims might be the issue.

    I rebuilt my wheel with non roval rim. Wider, cheaper and
    hopefully stronger.

    I couldn't justify using the same rim that broke so easily again.
    Did you use light bikes rims?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jmcdev1 View Post
    Skiwi, the rims definitely will break with a significant impact. My riding buddy broke his on the first ride wdith the 1.95 Renegade. I suffered a minor ding on the same ride, but the tire still held air tubeless. Got 2 more dings subsequently and the rim finally leaked sealant after the 3rd one. Admittedly, we run very low pressures and should have changed out to larger volume tires right away. I was seduced by the incredibly low rolling resistance of the Renegade and decided to chance it till the tire wore out. I can afford the replacement, so it wasn't quite as stupid a move.

    I have to tell you that there is NO lifetime warranty if you hit a rock and crack the sidewall, folks. Period. There is a crash replacement policy, $500 cost to the bike shop. The free replacement some talk about was only if the rim started separating at the joints, an early manufacturing defect.

    My riding buddy is the lbs owner and even he couldn't wrangle a free replacement. We both had to pony up for the crash replacement one. Now I ride 2.35 Nobby Nics with snakeskin sidewall protection and haven't had any damage. They really are wonderful rims.

    I hope this clears up the warranty issue with these wheels.
    Thanks for the clarification. I have ridden Renegades and really liked them but got stranded with a sidewall tear on a trail and realised the hard way why these tyres are feather light.

    WRT the SL rims, I've run FastTrak, Crossmark and now Ground Control tyres at 30psi pressures for over a year with no issues whatsoever. The majority of this use is forest single track, not much on rocky terrain. I'm heading away for a 2 week epic of 5+hours daily on the bike and will take no other wheels....

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    Truly enjoying these wheels so far.

    Question for the more experts out here : Stumpy Fsr 29 incoming late september and the Epic is most likely going up for sale, would you keep the wheels for the Stumpy Fsr ? They are not the trail version but given my penchant for light trail at 2.5 bar pressure all the time it may be gamble I may be eager to try. What you think ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wad View Post
    After talking to many riders who have cracked these
    I'm getting the impression that the rims are weak and prone
    to failure.

    I cracked my rear on a double track fire road. Since I had no major impacts
    I didn't notice the damage untill I was cleaning the bike.


    If the roval rim broke this easy,buying another one seem like a bad investment.



    Another Roval bites the dust- unbelievable... I was riding hot and heavy but Roval thought otherwise. Definitely a bad investment. I get better return on my investments at the bank- and that's not saying much. I will NEVER EVER buy another Roval carbon rim. I read the reviews and thought "that will never happen to me". I was running a 2.0 Cross mark at 31 psi. By no means a skinny tire, and definitely plenty of front wheel protection. I have had plenty of crashes and close calls on other rims, but never ever have I broke an aluminum rim. I'm not a beginner rider either- plenty of racing experience. This is 2 rovals in 2 months. Last month the rear, and today the front!!!!! Never again Roval!! At least I can have matching wheels now, but they will NOT be red and black.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rl.robertson View Post



    Another Roval bites the dust- unbelievable... I was riding hot and heavy but Roval thought otherwise. Definitely a bad investment. I get better return on my investments at the bank- and that's not saying much. I will NEVER EVER buy another Roval carbon rim. I read the reviews and thought "that will never happen to me". I was running a 2.0 Cross mark at 31 psi. By no means a skinny tire, and definitely plenty of front wheel protection. I have had plenty of crashes and close calls on other rims, but never ever have I broke an aluminum rim. I'm not a beginner rider either- plenty of racing experience. This is 2 rovals in 2 months. Last month the rear, and today the front!!!!! Never again Roval!! At least I can have matching wheels now, but they will NOT be red and black.
    Define "hot and heavy"...

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    What is the weight difference between Roval Control SL 29 wheelset (S-Works model) and Roval Control Carbon 29 wheelset (Marathon model)?

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    robertson,that's gotta be very frustrating.

    There is tho one common denominator for those of you Roval busters out there : 31 psi.
    I'm on my second ride with these wheels and I'm not in the position of being a chutzpah in telling people what shoud they do but I came to the point that these are hardcore XC racing wheels and those who use them for their intended use are some very skinny XC whippets and/or keep their tires at a minimum of 36 psi ( and there is a team backing them up so who cares if they blow a rim). And I have to say this topic has been a very valuable source of informations.

    One thing for sure this pic of yous will make me steer clear from the idea of mounting them on my incoming Stumpy FSR...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Devastazione View Post
    robertson,that's gotta be very frustrating.

    There is tho one common denominator for those of you Roval busters out there : 31 psi.
    I'm on my second ride with these wheels and I'm not in the position of being a chutzpah in telling people what shoud they do but I came to the point that these are hardcore XC racing wheels and those who use them for their intended use are some very skinny XC whippets and/or keep their tires at a minimum of 36 psi ( and there is a team backing them up so who cares if they blow a rim). And I have to say this topic has been a very valuable source of informations.

    One thing for sure this pic of yous will make me steer clear from the idea of mounting them on my incoming Stumpy FSR...
    I hear of guys running these in the low 20's, but not sure how they get away with it. They have huge benefits, but it's not worth it at the price of failure. I'll take a weight sacrifice to know that I can avoid another "hike-a-bike".

    Quote Originally Posted by skiwi View Post
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    Before I purchased these rims I had been for warned to put a min of 30 psi, as others had broken theres at 23psi and 25 psi. With this mind, I set the front and rear sag at 20%. I run a tubless non specialized tire with a higher TPI number (threads per inch). 120 to be exact. I have had no tears, rips or flats that a sealant did fix wihin seconds. I ride the Roval carbon sl 29er for training and racing over roots, rocks small jumps at top speed no problem, so with that being said ~ do you need a better rim or a better tire? I had ridden many of rims, the performance of the Roval carbon SL are exceptional and had found the problem not to be the rims, hence the specialized tires were in my opion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rl.robertson View Post
    Race day- running a race in Fort Worth
    That looks like a serious impact failure. What did you hit?

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    Wow, I really feel for you rl robertson. Broke both of them! I know how frustrated I was with just breaking the rear.

    I am one of those you refer to who runs these same wheels at very low pressure, probably around 15 front and 16-17 rear, my weight is 155lbs with kit. Where I live there is a root or rock every 6" on the trails for very long stretches, with very few smooth sections and lots of loose, cindery lava gravel too. We long ago gravitated to large volume tires run at really low pressures to smooth out the ride and gain traction when it's wet, which is most of the time. I was foolish to try to ride with the 1.95 Renegade that came on my Epic, but I was seduced by the incredibly low rolling resistance.

    After I broke/replaced it I went back to fatter tires. Tried the 2.35 Racing Ralph's but not enough grip in the wet. Just needed bigger knobs for our riding conditions. So now I'm riding Nobby Nics 2.35 with Snakeskin sidewall protection, Pacestar rubber, and I have not even felt the tire even kiss the rims once, even with the above tire pressures.

    We ride at race pace here so I'm not putzing along either. We set our fork and shock pressures lower than most so that they top out a few times during each ride. If you aren't setting them this way you won't get full travel and the wheels will take bigger hits because of this.

    I know you're probably not interested in replacing the rims and trying this, but I post it hoping it will help others from cracking theirs. You simpy must protect these incredibly light rims from impact with a larger air cushion between the rims and the ground in my humble opinion. The rims internal width is 23 or 24mm, can't remember which, and that is wide enough to keep the tires from squirming or rolling over in turns at my weight at those low tire pressures. By the way, most riders in our experience have no idea how much faster and smoother riding at low tire pressures on rough terrain really is, esp. for racing. Kulhavy ran 20 and 21psi when he won the world's on his Epic last year. Todd Wells, who is heavier, ran 22 and 23 I think, and both with the skinny tires. These guys weigh in the 170's! Of course they have talent.

    The only other thing I would throw out there for folks using these wheels is that the main knock on fatter tires is the weight and slower rolling resistance. These Nobby Nics are just amazing in both regards. Claimed weight is 725gms. but mine weighed 760. That's an amazing weight for such a big tire, remember it's 29er.

    But the amazing thing is the rolling resistance feels incredibly fast for a fat tire. I remember the Kenda Nevegals 2.35 sucking all the fun out of riding. These are so much faster. So you don't have to ride like a slug with fat tires any more.

    I admit they are expensive but for me it's worth it. For trail riding, I would steer folks away from Racing Ralph and Rocket Ron's. The knobs just aren't big enough unless you ride on groomed trails w/o any wet rocks or roots. Ground Control's are similar to NN but don't come wider than 2.2 in 29er. Probably coming soon though.

    Hope this makes an impression of folks riding these wheels with skinny race tires. Sooner or later you are going to find yourself letting just a little too much air out because of rougher terrain than you are used to and the rim will crack. This IS preventable with correct tire choice.

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    I'm 230-240lbs depending on time of year and have over 2,000 (mountain) miles on my Roval SL's with no issues. I had them trued once is all. I typically run a 2.2 RR in front and a Renegade or Fast Trak in the rear. I try to keep my pressure at 30 in the front and 35 in the rear. I've used these at the Breck 100 and several other difficult endurance races. Actually just put a 2013 set on my Epic today and moved my old set over to my Stumpy hardtail. I couldn't be happier with them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jmcdev1 View Post

    The only other thing I would throw out there for folks using these wheels is that the main knock on fatter tires is the weight and slower rolling resistance. These Nobby Nics are just amazing in both regards. Claimed weight is 725gms. but mine weighed 760. That's an amazing weight for such a big tire, remember it's 29er.

    But the amazing thing is the rolling resistance feels incredibly fast for a fat tire. I remember the Kenda Nevegals 2.35 sucking all the fun out of riding. These are so much faster. So you don't have to ride like a slug with fat tires any more.

    I admit they are expensive but for me it's worth it. For trail riding, I would steer folks away from Racing Ralph and Rocket Ron's. The knobs just aren't big enough unless you ride on groomed trails w/o any wet rocks or roots. Ground Control's are similar to NN but don't come wider than 2.2 in 29er. Probably coming soon though.

    Hope this makes an impression of folks riding these wheels with skinny race tires. Sooner or later you are going to find yourself letting just a little too much air out because of rougher terrain than you are used to and the rim will crack. This IS preventable with correct tire choice.
    You raise a little known point. That, for a given MTB tyre, fatter is faster.

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    I second what jmcdev1 has written.

    I weigh 160lbs and run my S works epic with the carbons at 19 frt, 20 rear. Pretty much the same pressures whether using specialized control tires or hutchinson python/toro combo. I live and ride in rocky So Cal terrain and only every once in a great while do I just ever so lightly tap the rim bottoming out on a rock at those pressures. I do notice some sidewall roll in hard fast corners, but the supple ride the other 99% of the time with low pressures is worth the trade off.

    Ran the exact same setup at Breck epic and flew through the rocky sections, even off line to pass on descents, and don't recall ever hitting rims the whole week. I have gone through some rough rocky sections at speed with this set up and not one issue.

    I can't imagine running even 26 psi, much less 30psi or more, as some of you mention. It would compromise the feel and traction drastically for me.

    I've been looking for the right larger volume tire to use, so will need to look into that more.

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    The only issues with these wheels are riders bottoming out the rims on rocks/roots which cause failure?

    No issues from non impact, high force hits?

    I don't have issues with dinging in my aluminum rims since I run high volume tires. But I ride hard. Jumps, drops, flying over rough sections.

    Are these wheels gonna hold up to me?
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    I've since switched from the stock spesh renegades at 2.2 to racing ralphs in 2.35 running the control SL 29ers. The RR's are very light, surprisinly so in fact, though I don't remember the exact weight, but comparable to the spesh controls.

    I have found that 15 frt and 16 rear works great for me for pressure. If I approach a bridge or square edge, I could bottom at that pressure so I'm careful, but no rock has done that yet under normal riding conditions.

    I weigh 164ish normally.

    A good point was made above about making sure that one uses the available suspension travel. That's what it's there for.

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    Anybody have a pair of new 2013 Sl's with the snap on tubeless strip, not tape? I had to send my Control SL off to the service center and it came back with the snap on strip instead of tape. Wondering how this even works without actually sealing the rim, and how well. Is the strip wide enough that the tire bead sits on top of it and creates a seal between the strip and the tire, such that the rim itself doesn't need sealing? I went ahead and tried it with just the strip last night, and got it to air up but had leakage around the valve stem. Tightened it enough (by hand) that it seemed to quit leaking, we will see how the air pressure is when I get home today though. Just looking for long term experience from others, does the strip hold air well or should I go with tried and true Stan's tape?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew-FSR View Post
    Anybody have a pair of new 2013 Sl's with the snap on tubeless strip, not tape? I had to send my Control SL off to the service center and it came back with the snap on strip instead of tape. Wondering how this even works without actually sealing the rim, and how well. Is the strip wide enough that the tire bead sits on top of it and creates a seal between the strip and the tire, such that the rim itself doesn't need sealing? I went ahead and tried it with just the strip last night, and got it to air up but had leakage around the valve stem. Tightened it enough (by hand) that it seemed to quit leaking, we will see how the air pressure is when I get home today though. Just looking for long term experience from others, does the strip hold air well or should I go with tried and true Stan's tape?
    The old blue strips were basically useless after a few months, they were not stiff enoug to avoid creasing and, one creased, would leak into the spoke holes. Spec replaced with proper strips a la Stans or Joes.

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    Can anyone please tell me how much pressure is allowed when mounting tubeless tyres at Roval SL 29? You need a lot of pressure to get the tyre get in place but how much is allowed? THX

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    Pretty sure 45psi is the maximum.
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    So far the new tubeless system is working great on my 13's. I had the same leak around the valve stem but that quickly sealed up.
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    Quote Originally Posted by S-Worker View Post
    Can anyone please tell me how much pressure is allowed when mounting tubeless tyres at Roval SL 29? You need a lot of pressure to get the tyre get in place but how much is allowed? THX
    I put 60 psi into my tyres to get them locked into the (Roval Sl 29) rims and then decrease pressures to the usual 28-32psi. No issues with this approach so far - bike is almost 2 years old now.

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    I posted a similar question in the Specialized FAQ on their webpage. I was told that the max pressure is not depending on the rim but on the tyre.
    See here: SPECIALIZED | Max air pressure for mounting tubeless t...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrew-FSR View Post
    Anybody have a pair of new 2013 Sl's with the snap on tubeless strip, not tape? I had to send my Control SL off to the service center and it came back with the snap on strip instead of tape. Wondering how this even works without actually sealing the rim, and how well. Is the strip wide enough that the tire bead sits on top of it and creates a seal between the strip and the tire, such that the rim itself doesn't need sealing? I went ahead and tried it with just the strip last night, and got it to air up but had leakage around the valve stem. Tightened it enough (by hand) that it seemed to quit leaking, we will see how the air pressure is when I get home today though. Just looking for long term experience from others, does the strip hold air well or should I go with tried and true Stan's tape?
    I'm trying to get some of these strips so I can jettison the blue tape. I have Stan's yellow on one which isn't that great either (must be the carbon surface). Is there a part number for these strips so the dealer can order? Can't imagine they would be orderable online.

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    My Roval Control SL 29 wheels arrived today and here are the actual weights for those interested:

    - Front: 685 g (including rim tape, excluding valves)
    - Rear: 801 g (including rim tape, excluding valves)
    - Total: 1.486 g

    - Valves: 6 g each
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    If it makes anyone feel better I really just smacked my rear carbon SL 29 rim on a root today. Going for shoulder surgery in three days since I have ripped two of the four rotator cuff tendons off recently with a bad crash. Supposed to be trying to get used to sleeping in a recliner as I will have to after the surgery. crappy sleep this whole past week trying to adapt to this with an old back injury that doesn't like it. Went out for last ride today and had absolutely no energy in the tank. Went to Bunnyhopp a large root and couldn't get the rear wheel over it. Just cased the huge root amazingly hard w/ rear wheel, felt the hard thunk on the rim and had a sinking feeling immediately. I run very low pressure about 16-17 pounds in the rear tubeless, nobby nics 2.35. Got off checked it and it wasn't even a scratch on the rim so that was kind of nice to see. Not sure if it had been a lava rock instead of a root, I would've cracked it maybe. Whew!

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    I have ridden my 29 inch SL's hard for almost two years and they are as true as when I bought the bike. I run tubuless with Stan's and S-Works tires with 20lbs. of pressure and each. Zero issues except a couple of slit sidewalls on the tires (the price you pay for light tires.).
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    I'm jumping in late, and I am sure this has been discussed, but rider weight is usually the most important factor that determines how durable a wheel will be. Obviously how the wheels are used is important. The SL's are very light and are fantastic for light riders in a XC racing application. These wheels are not made to handle big drops, and they are not likely to prove durable for a 250# rider on most any terrain.

    I weigh 150#, run tubeless at 21 psi front/23 psi rear, and my wheels have proved to be bombproof over almost 400 hours of use. I use these wheels year-round, and they have not had to be trued yet.

    I did break two spokes when a large stick got jammed in my rear wheel. We sent the wheel to Specialized and they fixed it no charge. I've been 100% satisfied with the performance and durability of the wheels.
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    I have over 2000 hard miles on 2013 SL's. The only issue so far was the replacement of the front bearings. I would chalk that up to doing a 12 hour race in the rain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irishpitbull View Post
    I have over 2000 hard miles on 2013 SL's. The only issue so far was the replacement of the front bearings. I would chalk that up to doing a 12 hour race in the rain.
    How much do you weigh and what PSI are you running? I'm considering the SL 29'ers and roll at about 211 pounds, no drops, but some chunky trail here and there.

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    Just and update. I have over 3300 miles on the SL's this year. I use them everyday and all conditions. No issues.

    I run 25f/30r and weigh 175. I have buddy who runs these wheels and is over 200lbs. No issues on his end either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by irishpitbull View Post
    Just and update. I have over 3300 miles on the SL's this year. I use them everyday and all conditions. No issues.

    I run 25f/30r and weigh 175. I have buddy who runs these wheels and is over 200lbs. No issues on his end either.
    Awesome! Thanks for the update, greatly appreciated!

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