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    New question here. Fork issues..

    So my brand new Camber Comp Carbon has done a few rides, not much, a total of 260km. Probably about 10 hours total. I've gone really easy stuff with it, since I have a Stumpy for gnar.

    Noticed on yesterday's ride, that theres a distinct "click/clunk" noise from the fork. Rattles when riding over bumps/roots, and I can provoke the noise by pushing on the handlebars and letting go. It comes as the fork rebounds. Only occurs if the compression dial is set fully open. Before the last ride, I added 2-3 clicks of rebound damping, because I felt it was a bit bouncy. Apart from that, I haven't touched it.
    It also makes the "wheezing" sound on rebound, has done so from the start. Not sure if I had this on any other RS forks. And no - it's not the head tube bearings.

    Is this normal, or another monday-solo-air-fork from RS? I've owned 5 Specialized FSRs since 2012, and all of them have had fork issues (Solo air Rebas, Pike, and Revelations) requiring early/frequent service, and two of them got replaced on warranty since the service center couldn't fix the issues.

    I'll try and reset the rebound knob tonight and see if the noise goes away.

    Bloody annoying, since my Stumpy is out of service (shock in for 2nd service in under a year, loses rebound all together).

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    2018 Camber? I just noticed that J Graves ran a Camber 29 at Sea Otter, with a custom Ohlins shock, Ohlins 140 29 fork, and largish volume 27.5 wheels. This was for the dual slalom event, but might it be hints of Camber mods for next year?

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    He just created a frankenbike to suit the races at Sea Otter. Seemed to work quite well for him.

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    Speaking of frankencambers - since my fork had to go to the shop, I fitted the 140mm Revelation RCT3 from my Stumpy (rear shock in for service..). Contrary to what many people say, it works just fine. I've done all types of trails, even some gravel and asphalt, and the bike really dosn't feel that different. Steering seems quicker, perhaps because the donor for has 46mm offset, and the original is at 51.
    Slammed the stem to get an ok riding position.
    It's better on downhills, slightly less livel on climbs and accel, but I'd have no propbs running this setup permanently.

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    Quote Originally Posted by knutspeed View Post
    Speaking of frankencambers - since my fork had to go to the shop, I fitted the 140mm Revelation RCT3 from my Stumpy (rear shock in for service..). Contrary to what many people say, it works just fine. I've done all types of trails, even some gravel and asphalt, and the bike really dosn't feel that different. Steering seems quicker, perhaps because the donor for has 46mm offset, and the original is at 51.
    Slammed the stem to get an ok riding position.
    It's better on downhills, slightly less livel on climbs and accel, but I'd have no propbs running this setup permanently.
    On the new bikes The front triangles of camber/stumpjumper are the same, so other than warranty liability big company BS would it not be that a camber can be modded to literally be a stumpjumper? Its the same bike. Your rear suspension setup will affect things? But point is adding a 140 mm fork to a camber is no issue at all! Heck, 150 would peobably work if you took into account head tube spacers, trail/fork offset, etc.

    Coming from me, i added travel to my fork, added an offset bushing to slacken the bike out, added plus tires...my bike is basically just like jared graves "frankenbike". Its friggin awesome is what it is. Rides amazing well and more stable.

    Frankly, my opinion is a stock 650b sucks sorta. Its really twitchy and unstable. It needs a longer wheelbase, 29er, or plus tires.

    Id say all the mods i did truely made the bike the way it shohld have been stock from specialized (im now in the boat that its either plus or 29er, 650b is dead to me unless you ride enduro or downhill).

    I dont see any purpose in a 130 mm or less regular 650b bike, with a 68 degree HA (steep by todays standards) and super short 1119 cm wheelbase. That whole equasion spells twitchy as hell. Which is exactly how my stock bike was. I didnt like my stock revelation without adding travel and bottomless tokens. Basically, i like the foundation of the bike i bought, but my bike now rides so reduculously different (better) i dont even think i can call it a Camber any more. But in a GOOD way.

    Disclaimer - in now way am i encouraging people to mod their bikes in any way to void their warranties, simply speakig from my personal experience and opinions.

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    Cheapish, Cheerful, and Light Camber

    Just finished the Camber Comp 29 today and am unbelievably stoked to get out on it! Will have pics soon, but the weight after initial substitutions comes out almost exactly at 29 lbs for an XL. I went for some low-hanging weightfruit: tubelessness, a carbon bar, and swapping to a 1x drivetrain. I figured that the 1x would cancel out the dropper, but it turns out that the spider and extra rings were actually heavier than the dropper, so bonus. I'm pretty optimistic atm about hitting ~25 lbs.

    Cheap and easy next steps: tires (once these are worn/blown out); banish the Maxle for a tooled TA; switch the PG-1130 (538 claimed) out for a Sunrace MX8 11-42 (401 claimed). Big stuff on the horizon: wheels, fork, crankset \shudder. Either way, the Camber already has more gears than my old Karate Monkey, lower gears, has two more shocks than the Monkey, and is already lighter than it. Life is good.

    Changes so far:
    -Set up tubeless w/ stock tires and provided valves, tape, etc.
    -Swapped out 750mm alloy bar for 720mm S-Works Mini Rise bar
    -Swapped grips for ESI Extra Chunky (Red)
    -Removed all front-shifty bits and installed a red Raceface CINCH direct-mount narrow-wide -34t ring (the Taco Blade is there until Spesh gets more of the spacers for the pivot in stock)
    -Installed Command Post IRCC 125 dropper, ISSI Triple pedals

    Weight: 29 lbs on the dot

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    I work for a Spesh dealer and I have never heard of a fork swap voiding a warranty. That said, I'm not a rep for Specialized so who knows, maybe it is a thing that I've just never encountered. Swap away, I say.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pynchonite View Post
    Just finished the Camber Comp 29 today and am unbelievably stoked to get out on it! Will have pics soon, but the weight after initial substitutions comes out almost exactly at 29 lbs for an XL. I went for some low-hanging weightfruit: tubelessness, a carbon bar, and swapping to a 1x drivetrain. I figured that the 1x would cancel out the dropper, but it turns out that the spider and extra rings were actually heavier than the dropper, so bonus. I'm pretty optimistic atm about hitting ~25 lbs.

    Cheap and easy next steps: tires (once these are worn/blown out); banish the Maxle for a tooled TA; switch the PG-1130 (538 claimed) out for a Sunrace MX8 11-42 (401 claimed). Big stuff on the horizon: wheels, fork, crankset \shudder. Either way, the Camber already has more gears than my old Karate Monkey, lower gears, has two more shocks than the Monkey, and is already lighter than it. Life is good.

    Changes so far:
    -Set up tubeless w/ stock tires and provided valves, tape, etc.
    -Swapped out 750mm alloy bar for 720mm S-Works Mini Rise bar
    -Swapped grips for ESI Extra Chunky (Red)
    -Removed all front-shifty bits and installed a red Raceface CINCH direct-mount narrow-wide -34t ring (the Taco Blade is there until Spesh gets more of the spacers for the pivot in stock)
    -Installed Command Post IRCC 125 dropper, ISSI Triple pedals

    Weight: 29 lbs on the dot
    Nice work! What about seat? I mean if going all out, top end carbon rail seat? Some of those seats are under 200 grams. Like 180. Some heavy padded seats are 280-380 grams. Just as long as you like the comfort...not worth a bad ride to save grams. Ive been eyeing the Tioga Spyder saddles...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pynchonite View Post
    Just finished the Camber Comp 29 today and am unbelievably stoked to get out on it! Will have pics soon, but the weight after initial substitutions comes out almost exactly at 29 lbs for an XL. I went for some low-hanging weightfruit: tubelessness, a carbon bar, and swapping to a 1x drivetrain. I figured that the 1x would cancel out the dropper, but it turns out that the spider and extra rings were actually heavier than the dropper, so bonus. I'm pretty optimistic atm about hitting ~25 lbs.

    Cheap and easy next steps: tires (once these are worn/blown out); banish the Maxle for a tooled TA; switch the PG-1130 (538 claimed) out for a Sunrace MX8 11-42 (401 claimed). Big stuff on the horizon: wheels, fork, crankset \shudder. Either way, the Camber already has more gears than my old Karate Monkey, lower gears, has two more shocks than the Monkey, and is already lighter than it. Life is good.

    Changes so far:
    -Set up tubeless w/ stock tires and provided valves, tape, etc.
    -Swapped out 750mm alloy bar for 720mm S-Works Mini Rise bar
    -Swapped grips for ESI Extra Chunky (Red)
    -Removed all front-shifty bits and installed a red Raceface CINCH direct-mount narrow-wide -34t ring (the Taco Blade is there until Spesh gets more of the spacers for the pivot in stock)
    -Installed Command Post IRCC 125 dropper, ISSI Triple pedals

    Weight: 29 lbs on the dot
    You won't hit anywhere near 25lbs.

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    Hey all, has anyone tried the base model 2017/2016 camber 650b or 29er with the x-fusion shock? Any experience with an x fusion shock would be good to know about.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ike_ View Post
    Nice work! What about seat? I mean if going all out, top end carbon rail seat? Some of those seats are under 200 grams. Like 180. Some heavy padded seats are 280-380 grams. Just as long as you like the comfort...not worth a bad ride to save grams. Ive been eyeing the Tioga Spyder saddles...
    I was thinking about it - hadn't considered it seriously, for some reason. The idea is to get it light w/out spending a bucket so I figured that I would try out the Henge for awhile since I've never ridden one before and then look at swapping out the saddle. While NAHBS was in town, a guy stopped by our shop with a full-carbon saddle: no padding, no nothing. He swore that it was comfy, though.

    You won't hit anywhere near 25lbs.
    Hope springs eternal. We'll get crafty if need be.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pynchonite View Post
    I was thinking about it - hadn't considered it seriously, for some reason. The idea is to get it light w/out spending a bucket so I figured that I would try out the Henge for awhile since I've never ridden one before and then look at swapping out the saddle. While NAHBS was in town, a guy stopped by our shop with a full-carbon saddle: no padding, no nothing. He swore that it was comfy, though.



    Hope springs eternal. We'll get crafty if need be.

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    Well good luck.

    I have Carbon everything along with other lightweight components and I'm still at 27lbs 2 ounces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pynchonite View Post
    Just finished the Camber Comp 29 today and am unbelievably stoked to get out on it! Will have pics soon, but the weight after initial substitutions comes out almost exactly at 29 lbs for an XL. I went for some low-hanging weightfruit: tubelessness, a carbon bar, and swapping to a 1x drivetrain. I figured that the 1x would cancel out the dropper, but it turns out that the spider and extra rings were actually heavier than the dropper, so bonus. I'm pretty optimistic atm about hitting ~25 lbs.

    Cheap and easy next steps: tires (once these are worn/blown out); banish the Maxle for a tooled TA; switch the PG-1130 (538 claimed) out for a Sunrace MX8 11-42 (401 claimed). Big stuff on the horizon: wheels, fork, crankset \shudder. Either way, the Camber already has more gears than my old Karate Monkey, lower gears, has two more shocks than the Monkey, and is already lighter than it. Life is good.

    Changes so far:
    -Set up tubeless w/ stock tires and provided valves, tape, etc.
    -Swapped out 750mm alloy bar for 720mm S-Works Mini Rise bar
    -Swapped grips for ESI Extra Chunky (Red)
    -Removed all front-shifty bits and installed a red Raceface CINCH direct-mount narrow-wide -34t ring (the Taco Blade is there until Spesh gets more of the spacers for the pivot in stock)
    -Installed Command Post IRCC 125 dropper, ISSI Triple pedals

    Weight: 29 lbs on the dot
    You will not see 25lbs on an XL camber comp. I know someone that installed the sworks rear triangle on a M Expert frame, as well as other carbon bits and still isn't below 27lbs. Instead, how about working on that engine or losing 10lbs off your body? You'll notice way more a difference.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhmotard View Post
    You will not see 25lbs on an XL camber comp. I know someone that installed the sworks rear triangle on a M Expert frame, as well as other carbon bits and still isn't below 27lbs. Instead, how about working on that engine or losing 10lbs off your body? You'll notice way more a difference.
    Why do you assume that I have ten pounds to lose? My BMI and my engine are both fantastic. The comment's either patronizing or condescending. You probably didn't mean it that way but that's how it comes off.

    Getting a low-end FSR to a race weight (it would be far and away the lightest race bike I've ever owned) is just a fun project. It's a hot rod. If I can show people that it can be done without mortgaging anything or selling their body, then even better. A lot of people seem content to poo-poo the idea but they forget that it's a bike, not a moon shot. Twenty-five pounds is a goal. I have no idea if I can actually get it down that far, but F it, why not have fun and try?

    Also, thanks to the heavy-AF RF Aeffect crankset and adaptors, it's looking like the best $/lbs deal might be changing out cranksets. Also, I realized that the Command Post IRCC doesn't accept carbon rails, so the very lightest saddles are off the table, but the weight losses at the top ends are pretty minimal, while the very-top-o-teh-line stuff is waaaaaaaaay more expensive than the next step down.

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    You can get a larger rail clamp for the Command post to run carbon rails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCL View Post
    You can get a larger rail clamp for the Command post to run carbon rails.
    Thanks! I wasn't seeing that option. I'll have to take another look - do you know the part #?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pynchonite View Post
    Why do you assume that I have ten pounds to lose? My BMI and my engine are both fantastic. The comment's either patronizing or condescending. You probably didn't mean it that way but that's how it comes off.
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    Easy killer, it was just a normal assumption and I really meant nothing by it. I will say though my Large Expert was right at 27lbs.....tubeless but without pedals, or anything in the swat compartment and without the swat chain tool in the center cap. So with all that crap its now just below 30, a friggin' tank it is. I don't mind the weight though since I do not race XC with it, I have a Scale RC for that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jhmotard View Post
    Easy killer, it was just a normal assumption and I really meant nothing by it. I will say though my Large Expert was right at 27lbs.....tubeless but without pedals, or anything in the swat compartment and without the swat chain tool in the center cap. So with all that crap its now just below 30, a friggin' tank it is. I don't mind the weight though since I do not race XC with it, I have a Scale RC for that.
    I see that response - lose some weight, etc. - a lot on this kind of topic. Don't know why. I think people are offended by the idea of buying speed, or amused by it. Anyway, I know you weren't trying to be a jerk and I didn't mean to call you one - no harm no foul.

    Anyway, I'm actually trying to make the bike more like a budget version of a Scott Spark (they do make some good-looking bikes). I think that pushing south of 27 lbs is going to be the hard part, because by then I'll have exhausted all the big weight upgrades like wheels, crankset and such. I think that that SWAT Box is part o' the problem for the carbon versions, because they have to reinforce the crap out of that area. If I find something that helps us both drop some weight off our beasts, I'll be happy.

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    For what it's worth, my Large SWorks Camber stock with pedals was 27lbs. That is tubeless but with somewhat beefy tires, and nothing in the SWAT. I'm not trying to say it can't be done and I wish you all the luck in the world but 26lbs is probably as low as I could get my bike if I wanted, but then it would be unreliable for long rides...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Purdue22 View Post
    For what it's worth, my Large SWorks Camber stock with pedals was 27lbs. That is tubeless but with somewhat beefy tires, and nothing in the SWAT. I'm not trying to say it can't be done and I wish you all the luck in the world but 26lbs is probably as low as I could get my bike if I wanted, but then it would be unreliable for long rides...
    That makes me feel much better about my 27lb camber.

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    Can you tell me the weight and size of your S-Works (without the SWAT tools and without pedals)? Thanks.

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    If I recall correctly it was just under 26.5lbs without pedals and with stock tires ran tubeless. That's for the 2016 SW Camber Large.

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    Had a chance to put some actual miles under the new Camber, which I've named "the Love Boat." So. Much. D@mned. Fun. I thought that coming from a rigid, I would spend a lot of my life hating pedal bob, but I hardly noticed the suspension once on the trail. Even set a couple uphill PR's on it (I never noticed before how much time/energy you spend on a rigid just avoiding stuff). Coming down was waaaaaaay more fun, too. Anyway, here it is up at Elephant Rock in Bountiful, UT.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Purdue22 View Post
    If I recall correctly it was just under 26.5lbs without pedals and with stock tires ran tubeless. That's for the 2016 SW Camber Large.
    That's pretty light for a FS trail bike! Any pics?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Pynchonite View Post
    Thanks! I wasn't seeing that option. I'll have to take another look - do you know the part #?
    Sorry for the slow reply - https://www.specialized.com/us/en/eq...adapter/116732

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    Hi guys

    This March I gave my self a 2016 Camber Expert Carbon 29, which I'm totally stoked about - what a bike!

    I'm from Denmark and we do NOT have a lot of rocky trails We do have very very nicely build XC trails.

    My tires are now worn out. Bike is born with Purgatory front tyre, and Ground Control rear tyre. My question is if you guys have any good advices for tire setup for XC riding, tubeless of course.

    Thanks in advance!

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    Quote Originally Posted by andkjaer View Post
    Hi guys

    This March I gave my self a 2016 Camber Expert Carbon 29, which I'm totally stoked about - what a bike!

    I'm from Denmark and we do NOT have a lot of rocky trails We do have very very nicely build XC trails.

    My tires are now worn out. Bike is born with Purgatory front tyre, and Ground Control rear tyre. My question is if you guys have any good advices for tire setup for XC riding, tubeless of course.

    Thanks in advance!

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    How many miles do you have on them? Surprised they are worn out already.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WHOAA View Post
    How many miles do you have on them? Surprised they are worn out already.
    Sorry, should've metioned taht I bought the bike used. It is from May 2016. I dont think they are totally worn out, but close to. And I think the wide (2.3") rather rough Purgatory tyre, is a bit over kill for our kind of trails.

    Bike has Roval Traverse 29mm. rims. Is it a bad idea with 2.1" tires on these rims?

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    just admit you want new tires no matter what. That's ok.

    2.1 vs 2.3 will be a difference just as as much as the specific pattern / tire type and whether you run low pressure or not. It's not a bad idea but what do you want to accomplish? looking for speed as you don't need the traction?

    Some of the 2.1 are for racing and a bit more fragile, you would need to figure out what you want to accomplish, and which compromise you want to make.

    I'm not sure ( ie i don't know) if you can run 2.1 and sufficient enough low pressure, and if that is a requirement. I'm heavy, went to narrow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by andkjaer View Post
    Sorry, should've metioned taht I bought the bike used. It is from May 2016. I dont think they are totally worn out, but close to. And I think the wide (2.3") rather rough Purgatory tyre, is a bit over kill for our kind of trails.

    Bike has Roval Traverse 29mm. rims. Is it a bad idea with 2.1" tires on these rims?
    Maybe Fast Trak on the rear and Renegade/Ground Control up front. If you don't have a lot of rocks skip the "Grid" versions. Seems crazy to be putting 2.1s on that bike but if it fits your local I guess that's fine.

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    My question about the 2.1" is only because I have some Schwalbe Thunder Burts from my previous bike, in my workshop.

    I think I'm gonna try GC in the front, and FT in the rear, both 2.32".

    Thanks guys!

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    Exactly my bike and tyre combination for my dutch xc rides

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    If it were me, I would run Maxxis Minion SS with Silkworm Protection in both the front and rear. They are only slightly heavier than the other tires listed above but they are a much more durable and capable tire...

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    Anybody know what the rear brake hose length is on the 2016/17 Camber 29 large? I have a set of Shimano Deore's lying around with 1750mm hose length and I am not sure if they will be long enough.

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    Anybody knows the difference in terms of weight between s-works camber frame and the standard camber carbon frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by andkjaer View Post
    Sorry, should've metioned taht I bought the bike used. It is from May 2016. I dont think they are totally worn out, but close to. And I think the wide (2.3") rather rough Purgatory tyre, is a bit over kill for our kind of trails.

    Bike has Roval Traverse 29mm. rims. Is it a bad idea with 2.1" tires on these rims?
    I recently installed Maxxis Ignitor 2.35 on the front and Maxxis Crossamark 2.20 on the rear.

    Only one week later I have gone back to Purgatory and Ground Control. I have realized not only that Specialized has made a really great jobs with these tires but also that these rims feel much better with wider tires.

    Sometimes in order to save some weight we forget what kind of bike we have bought. Definetively wider rimer with wide tire are one of the reasons that makes this bike so fun.

    When I first bought Ingnitor 2.35 I dind't realize that real width is ETRTO 54... far from the 58 of the stock tires.

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    I actually went with 24mm internal width Reynolds carbon rims and run 2.3 butcher up front and purgatory rear. It's way stiffer in the corners and all around much more stable than the stock rims that are 29mm

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    Quote Originally Posted by Honda Guy View Post
    Anybody know what the rear brake hose length is on the 2016/17 Camber 29 large? I have a set of Shimano Deore's lying around with 1750mm hose length and I am not sure if they will be long enough.
    Funny you should ask. I just removed a leaking rear brake hose from my 2016 FSR 6 Fattie yesterday, which shares the Camber's front triangle and routes the hose the same way. It was around 1600 mm, so you'll be fine with the 1750.

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    Agreed. I just did a quick measure on my large 2016 Camber and it was less than 1600mm so you will be fine. Confirmed.

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    Almost finished my base model 2016 Camber 29. Well Monday adding a Wolftooth 49/18 expander to my Shimano cassette.

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    Raceface narrow wide 30 1x11 on stock crank
    NX derailler and shifter
    Shimano XT cassette 11-42 (going to switch this with a 11-46 plus to 49 expander off my Yetti SB5.)
    Stock wheels with tubeless Maxxis Ardent Race.
    Specialized Commander dropper post 100mm. Tried a Bikeyoke 125mm dropper post but it was too tall for the small frame.
    WTB Silverado seat because I needed a lower stack height.
    X-Fusion Trace RL2 set at 130mm. I had it at 120mm but 130mm seems perfect for trails.
    Syntace X-12 System 142x12mm traxle 1.0 mm thread pitch - strange my stock axle keeps loosing up after a few rides. Problem solved with a allen key.
    Bikeyoke rear yoke but haven't decided on the rear shock.


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    Does anyone have a 205x53mm Camber Rear Shock (2016 or newer) that they want to sell or trade for a 205x53mm Fox Rear Shock with the Brain (Shock which came with my 2016 SW Camber)? It is fully functional but I want to try something different now. PM me if you have anything to sell or trade and thank you in advance for your time.

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