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    New S-Works MTB Crank

    Hi,

    who knows more about the new S-Works Crank?
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    Anyone know how much they weigh?

    When available to purchase?
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    Hi,

    did really no one weigh his new S-Works Crankset?

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    How is this design any better than the prior S Works carbon crank with a direct mount ring? I can see how maybe it'd be lighter with a 2x ring setup though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by westin View Post
    How is this design any better than the prior S Works carbon crank with a direct mount ring? I can see how maybe it'd be lighter with a 2x ring setup though.
    That´s the reason for my question. If they are not lighter I can stay with the old one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by epicbiker View Post
    That´s the reason for my question. If they are not lighter I can stay with the old one.

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    They also lose the "ultra-torque" setup (split design) which should aid setup.

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    My take on the molded carbon spider and arm is that it offers big gains in stiffness. This together with the mega chain stays on the WC, the much larger frame structure around the BB, all add up to gains in drive line efficiencies.

    Weight savings will be in the spindle and crank, just like what RaceFace accomplished on the Next SL. The new molded SW spider won't offer any weight savings as it is very bulky by comparison to an aluminum spider. The specific gravity of solid carbon is about the same as magnesium which is about 30% less than aluminum. But a visual estimate of the spider looks to be more than 30% larger than aluminum, hence my weight saving estimate of the spider portion will be nil.

    The spider could have a structural core of foam to lighten and add stiffness for the weight, but this has not been mentioned in literature so far and I would think this could be used as a marketing advantage if it were so.

    OK class, too much speculative analysis . . . lets go for a ride!
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    Which looks to have a stiffer spider/ring combo?
    New SW by a big margin is my take.

    I had my heart set on the Next SL for my WC frame build, but not so sure anymore. Weight isn't everything.

    Last years SW cranks, spindle, rings, BB = 656gr
    Next SL with 34t and Raceface BB for PF30 = 551gr
    XX1 with 34t and Sram BB = 641gr
    New SW cranks with 34t = ?
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    Are those actual weights?

    My SL 1x arms/spindle with 30T was 420 grams. The 34T setup is 445g. A BB weighs about 80 grams?

    My current model S Works with 32T direct mount and bb is within 10 grams of the SL 1x.

    But as stated weight isn't everything. Were some riders complaining the current S works crank not stiff enough? On an FS how would one even notice a difference factoring in rear shock and tire deflection? If it's for change or marketing I would not go with the current logo on my non-Speci bike. But Speci's pricing has a big advantage ($160 diff for my S works vs SL 1x purchases) over RF and not too far off from the heavier XX1.

    Quote Originally Posted by CarManDSL View Post
    Which looks to have a stiffer spider/ring combo?
    New SW by a big margin is my take.

    I had my heart set on the Next SL for my WC frame build, but not so sure anymore. Weight isn't everything.

    Last years SW cranks, spindle, rings, BB = 656gr
    Next SL with 34t and Raceface BB for PF30 = 551gr
    XX1 with 34t and Sram BB = 641gr
    New SW cranks with 34t = ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by westin View Post
    Are those actual weights?

    My SL 1x arms/spindle with 30T was 420 grams. The 34T setup is 445g. A BB weighs about 80 grams?

    My current model S Works with 32T direct mount and bb is within 10 grams of the SL 1x.

    But as stated weight isn't everything. Were some riders complaining the current S works crank not stiff enough? On an FS how would one even notice a difference factoring in rear shock and tire deflection? If it's for change or marketing I would not go with the current logo on my non-Speci bike. But Speci's pricing has a big advantage ($160 diff for my S works vs SL 1x purchases) over RF and not too far off from the heavier XX1.
    The old SW cranks 2010?-2013 and still listed on Spec site weight that I quoted were for the 2 x set-up.

    The Next SL weight is taken from RaceFace. Their PF30 for these cranks is shown at 101gr.
    Nice to have your weight with 34t at 445gr.

    The XX1 is my weight.

    I misplaced the weight on my 2011 SW cranks with XX1 spider and XX1 32t.
    But I just weighed the SW 2011; spider, 2 rings, bolts and spacers = 186gr
    The SW XX1 spider is 43gr and XX1 28t is 34gr = 77, which is only about 10 gr more than a Wolf direct mount. So then the SW cranks with XX1 and BB is about = 547gr. This matches your calculation pretty close.

    So then the Next SL setup is not a weight advantage after all.


    But you are right, can we even tell if the old cranks and frame are not stiff enough?

    Only one way to find out, ride a WC back to back with a SW 2011-13.
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    No, definitely the SL 1x is not a weight advantage. The advantages are in 1x chain rings of 28 and 30T which for some is huge.

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    my buddy just got charged $800 for an old version S-Works crank!!!

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    How's the saying go? "A fool and his money are soon parted." Is that $800 US dollars.... or some other currency that translates to about $300? Did it come with a year supply of EPO?

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    No $800 and I thought he was getting the new one for that price...lbs said you can't get the new one!!! Ill take Next SL over the old s-works version but that just me from a visual perspective

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    Just weighed my 175mm S Works crankset (the current version) with ring and bb.

    Two arms 185 + 155 = 340g
    Lock ring + parts to attach chainring and join crank arm bb spindle: 36g
    Wolf Tooth 1x 32T direct mount ring: 70g
    BB cups, bearings, 73mm spacers, wavy washer minus center sleeve: 74g

    Crankarms, 32T ring and all necessary parts: 446grams
    RaceFace Next SL 1x 30T and XTR 985 1x setup weights compared: Raceface Next SL 1x crankset

    Grand total for a 175mm S Works crankset with 32T ring and Specialized 73mm BB setup: 520g
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    Thanks for weighing that out.

    The Spec BB cups and bearings are lighter than I thought at 58gr. +10gr for missing sleeve?

    So Next SL is about 45gr heavier at about 550gr as they require their aluminum BB at 106gr do they not? The external cups use up the space created by the straighter cranks as compared to XX1 or SW. You can't use a SW BB with Next SL unless you install a bunch of spacers. Am I correct?


    Found the answer. Raceface has an adapter/spacer part F10010 to use other brand internal cupped PF30.
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    Center sleeve is 28 grams.
    I'm not 100% sure on the RF SL 1x spacers (see now you found it) and I was going to run it on my bike, but the SW came with the BB so I just went with it. Fingers crossed it stays quiet and reliable with its non-metal cups.

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    our local dealer said you can't get the ne S-Works crank unless you buy the complete bike? Anyone ordered oe or gotten a price etc?

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    Last time I check, it wasn't available on it's own. Anyone have any luck with the new Control SL?

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    14' S Works crankset weight w/o BB 521g with 34t and adjuster

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    Anyone know what are the Q options that are available?

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    Doesn't seem like it would have been that difficult for them to make it compatible with 3 rings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Preston View Post
    Doesn't seem like it would have been that difficult for them to make it compatible with 3 rings.
    3 rings are now only used on heavier less expensive bikes to better accommodate the heft.

    If one is inclined to invest in the new SW cranks and intent on a 3 ring set-up, you are much better off investing in lighter wheels than a light crank.

    You can use the previous SW cranks for a 3x though.



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    New S-Works MTB Crank

    Quote Originally Posted by cale399 View Post
    our local dealer said you can't get the ne S-Works crank unless you buy the complete bike? Anyone ordered oe or gotten a price etc?
    http://m.specialized.com/us/en/ftb/m...-arm-mtn-50397

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarManDSL View Post
    3 rings are now only used on heavier less expensive bikes to better accommodate the heft.

    If one is inclined to invest in the new SW cranks and intent on a 3 ring set-up, you are much better off investing in lighter wheels than a light crank.

    You can use the previous SW cranks for a 3x though.
    3 rings are dead.
    Long live 1x!
    That's certainly a popular opinion these days but some of us still disagree with reducing our options, and the design of the crank doesn't look like it has to physically preclude 3 rings, it just seems they didn't setup the mold/machining to do so.

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    I have a brand new S-Works 2014 crank for sale, together with the stock 32 and 34T chainrings. If anyone interested?

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    S-Works crank

    Quote Originally Posted by mtingcow View Post
    I have a brand new S-Works 2014 crank for sale, together with the stock 32 and 34T chainrings. If anyone interested?
    Do you still have the crankset for sale ?

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    It's already sold - thanks for the interest!

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    Does anyone know where one can buy the new 2014/2015 S-Works MTB crank-set complete and how much? Not available from Specialized in a 175mm. Thx.

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    Available over here in Belgium, saw two this week (all black) while visiting the shop.

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    Quote Originally Posted by madskatingcow View Post
    Available over here in Belgium, saw two this week (all black) while visiting the shop.
    Any idea what they cost in Dollars? Wonder if they would ship here and for how much...

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    499 euro = $610

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    Ouch. Thanks for checking...

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    Which is the main advantage of using that crank? Even the chainrings are proprietary (104) and I cannot use the old srams (76) and not rotor q rings neither; I am thinking in replace the crank

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcoL View Post
    Which is the main advantage of using that crank? Even the chainrings are proprietary (104) and I cannot use the old srams (76) and not rotor q rings neither; I am thinking in replace the crank
    Rotor are planning to release QX1-rings to fit 104bcd Q1 this year. Otherwise market is full of alternative.

    To find 104bcd round ring is also very simple. But yet I agree with you, why not use regular Sram spiders so we can choose by ourself.

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    Anyone know how you can run a ring smaller than a 32??? I need to run a 30 or a 28..

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    You can mount a Race Face 30T, it has 'spacers' to prevent the chain running on top of the spider. Same for other 30T chainrings, but you need to put spacers (or how to call it) in between, and use longer bolts.

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    You have 64bcd holes on the crank also. Depending on frame space and chainline you should be able to use them to mount a smaller chainring.

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    Check this link : Race Face

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    I wanted to get the new S-Works 2014/2015 cranks for my build, but Specialized has been out of stock for so long, I got tired of waiting. Just ordered a new NEXT SL for my WC. Specialized is probably losing a lot of sales to Race Face for their extended out of stock on the 175 mm set.

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    Does anybody has used a SRAM powermeter ??

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    New S-Works MTB Crank


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    The s-works cranks we have been talking about have a molded in spider that can't be removed. That is a picture of some other crank yes ?

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    It is SRAM Quarq XX1 crankset: SRAM Quarq XX1 crankset

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    I just bought one yesterday - 175mm - from Specialized website.

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    There is a problem with them.
    Mine are coming apart on the non-drive side where the aluminum and carbon meet.
    I Am taking it to the LBS this week to find out about replacement.
    Supposedly this is a known problem and they will warranty it.

    My bike is a 2014 S-works SJ HT and I have had it for about 5 months.

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    Do you have some pictures to show us the problem ?

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    The bike is at Bicycles Inc. in Hurst, TX.
    They took pictures to send to Specialized and I will ask them for some.

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    Can I use the new 2014/15 crankset with XO1 chainring and bolts directly or are there any other things necessary, like spacers between crank spider and ring for the perfect chainline? or do I need proprietary bolts? The thread for the bolts is integrated into the rings?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rdy357 View Post
    There is a problem with them.
    Mine are coming apart on the non-drive side where the aluminum and carbon meet.
    I Am taking it to the LBS this week to find out about replacement.
    Supposedly this is a known problem and they will warranty it.

    My bike is a 2014 S-works SJ HT and I have had it for about 5 months.
    I just had the same issue. Mine are about a year old. LBS (Spesh dealer) had me new cranks in 5 days.
    Note I am a good customer of this LBS, but that shouldn't be an issue.

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