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    Input on a possible 2013 Epic purchase

    I've been sizing up some different 29ers for my next bike and after riding the Stumpy, the Camber and the Epic, I'm pretty sure I've settled on a new Epic. Now I just need to decide how deep I want to go and was hoping you guys could give me some feedback on the three choices.

    The Comp and Comp Carbon are the same except for the carbon frame. I test rode a Comp Carbon and loved it so I'm probably going with the Carbon. Am I nuts for spending ~$1,100 more for the carbon frame?

    I'm also looking at the Expert Carbon but that's a huge jump in price over the Comp Carbon but it does look like it has quite a few upgrades. Is it worth it? Are the Roval wheels something you would keep or would you end up replacing them with better wheels anyway? I've also hear some negative things about the Sid fork with the Brain. The carbon crank would be nice.

    So let me hear your thoughts.

    Oh, I'll be using this for XC stuff, but no racing just hard core riding with friends.

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    Subscribed. I'm also contemplating an Epic of some sort. I rode my girlfriend's Carve and loved it. Thinking of a carbon fiber hardtail Stumpjumper, too.
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    If you are not racing, then I would just go with the AL version and change out the wheels to whatever you want and upgrade other parts as you see fit.

    IMHO you aren't going to see a significant ride difference between AL and Carbon on a FS. At that point it mostly just comes down to weight. The jury is still out on whether carbon is more durable than AL. It can take more stress before breaking than AL, but when carbon breaks, it's usually catastrophic. An AL frame will show fatigue over it's life whereas carbon will not. Carbon is more prone to damage (cracks) from impacts whereas AL will bend/dent. Wheels is where it matters most. You will get a better ride with the AL frame and the roval control sl wheels than the carbon frame and stock wheels, and it shouldn't cost you too much more and should be lighter, especially where it counts.

    FWIW, I went with the comp carbon and roval control SL wheels. However, I race and it is my dream bike. If I couldn't have got the comp carbon then I would have gone AL and with the SL wheels.

    Why are you choosing the Epic? It is mostly a race/xc bike that can take larger hits. Is most of the riding that you do XC riding, or do you search for the gnar and gravity?

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    Get the carbon. If you get the aluminum, you will always wish you got the carbon one.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark in Baltimore View Post
    Subscribed. I'm also contemplating an Epic of some sort. I rode my girlfriend's Carve and loved it. Thinking of a carbon fiber hardtail Stumpjumper, too.
    I rode the Stumpy and the Camber along with the Epic because I couldn't decide between the three. On the Stumpy, it just felt so big and like I was just along for the ride. I didn't feel like I was part of the bike, more like I was just along for the ride.

    The Camber still had that same feeling but not as bad. But it wasn't as crisp as the Epic.

    With the Epic, I felt like I was actually in control of the bike and it would do what I wanted, when I wanted. I just felt better on the Epic than the other two.

    Quote Originally Posted by tooclosetosee View Post
    If you are not racing, then I would just go with the AL version and change out the wheels to whatever you want and upgrade other parts as you see fit.

    IMHO you aren't going to see a significant ride difference between AL and Carbon on a FS. At that point it mostly just comes down to weight. The jury is still out on whether carbon is more durable than AL. It can take more stress before breaking than AL, but when carbon breaks, it's usually catastrophic. An AL frame will show fatigue over it's life whereas carbon will not. Carbon is more prone to damage (cracks) from impacts whereas AL will bend/dent. Wheels is where it matters most. You will get a better ride with the AL frame and the roval control sl wheels than the carbon frame and stock wheels, and it shouldn't cost you too much more and should be lighter, especially where it counts.

    FWIW, I went with the comp carbon and roval control SL wheels. However, I race and it is my dream bike. If I couldn't have got the comp carbon then I would have gone AL and with the SL wheels.

    Why are you choosing the Epic? It is mostly a race/xc bike that can take larger hits. Is most of the riding that you do XC riding, or do you search for the gnar and gravity?
    Thanks. This is what I was looking for. As far as why I chose the Epic, see my comment above.
    All of the riding we do around here is trail riding. Lots of climbing and descents, switchback, creek crossings, roots, rock steps, etc. No huge drop or jumping, at least not on purpose.

    We're also going to be riding the San Juan Hut tour our in Colorado next July so we're all getting new rides for that. My current MTB, if you can even call it that, is an old Giant Warp DS2. This is my first new MTB since 1999, I've been road riding and just recently get back into MTB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by aaronpass View Post
    Get the carbon. If you get the aluminum, you will always wish you got the carbon one.
    Honestly, this is the only reason I was going to buy the carbon. I didn't buy a carbon road bike and wish I had. I figured the weight savings on a full suspension would be an even better reason to go carbon.

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    Only the main triangle on the comp carbon is carbon. The rear triangle is aluminum.

    The marathon has half of the rear triangle as carbon.

    The Sworks is full carbon.

    All main triangles on Specialized bikes have a lifetime warranty. The rear triangle is considered part of the suspension and thus only has a 2 year warranty or something like that.

    Another good point is that if you plan on keeping the carbon frame for a long time (which I do) then you can upgrade whatever you want around it and you have already lost some initial weight over the AL.

    Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I think the weight difference is somewhere around 300 grams.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tooclosetosee View Post
    Only the main triangle on the comp carbon is carbon. The rear triangle is aluminum.

    The marathon has half of the rear triangle as carbon.

    The Sworks is full carbon.
    I was somewhat disappointed when I found this out. For the price difference, would have thought everything was carbon. I only realized this on my second test ride last night.

    Quote Originally Posted by tooclosetosee View Post
    All main triangles on Specialized bikes have a lifetime warranty. The rear triangle is considered part of the suspension and thus only has a 2 year warranty or something like that.

    Another good point is that if you plan on keeping the carbon frame for a long time (which I do) then you can upgrade whatever you want around it and you have already lost some initial weight over the AL.

    Someone correct me if I am wrong, but I think the weight difference is somewhere around 300 grams.
    All valid points. Thank you.

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    For me it was between the Carbon Comp and Expert. With the price difference and not being 100% sold on the brain fork, I decided to by the Comp. I sold the stock wheels and bought Roval Controls and also swapped the handlebar to carbon, then I'll upgrade the rest as it wears out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by drag_slick View Post
    For me it was between the Carbon Comp and Expert. With the price difference and not being 100% sold on the brain fork, I decided to by the Comp. I sold the stock wheels and bought Roval Controls and also swapped the handlebar to carbon, then I'll upgrade the rest as it wears out.
    Have you had any problems with the bike?

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    If you have the money, carbon is defo worth the upgrade. I have the 2010 Epic Carbon Expert. My chain and seat stays are beat to sh!t and have already had the seat stays replaced on warranty. My front carbon triangle is in much better condition. It's amazing how much tougher carbon is that Alu. You also have the usual arguments like weight loss etc. Lastly you won't be thinking, I wish I'd gone for the better bike. If you plan on riding the bike for a very long time you'll want to get the best frame you can afford. Other components wear out. The frame should last a very long time.

    IMHO the EPIC EXPERT CARBON EVO R 29 is the best value for money in the 2013 range. It has the marathon frame which has the carbon seat stays as well as better carbon. It also comes with some carbon bars and is only $200 more than the the expert. It just depends if you feel you handle the 1x10.

    I just converted my 2010 Epic Carbon Expert from 3x9 to 1x9 and love it. The first ride I did up my regular steep rocky section near my house in CO on the 1x9 I set a new PR

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbco1975 View Post
    If you have the money, carbon is defo worth the upgrade. I have the 2010 Epic Carbon Expert. My chain and seat stays are beat to sh!t and have already had the seat stays replaced on warranty. My front carbon triangle is in much better condition. It's amazing how much tougher carbon is that Alu. You also have the usual arguments like weight loss etc. Lastly you won't be thinking, I wish I'd gone for the better bike. If you plan on riding the bike for a very long time you'll want to get the best frame you can afford. Other components wear out. The frame should last a very long time.

    IMHO the EPIC EXPERT CARBON EVO R 29 is the best value for money in the 2013 range. It has the marathon frame which has the carbon seat stays as well as better carbon. It also comes with some carbon bars and is only $200 more than the the expert. It just depends if you feel you handle the 1x10.

    I just converted my 2010 Epic Carbon Expert from 3x9 to 1x9 and love it. The first ride I did up my regular steep rocky section near my house in CO on the 1x9 I set a new PR
    I love the EPIC EXPERT CARBON EVO R 29 but I'm not comfortable with the 1x9 at all. I just got back into MTB after a 12yr hiatus and I'm loving it. But I'm not in the kind of shape I should be to handle the 1x setup. But I really love the carbon and I do regret not getting a carbon road bike when I had the chance.

    Thanks for the input.
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    I bought the comp over the carbon comp and i,m glad i did.I spent the extra $1100 on upgrades on it.Wheels,brakes e.t.c and now i have a great bike.The only difference between the two is the carbon front triangle,the weight difference is less 300 grammes and plus for a $4000 plus bike you would think they would put decent brakes and cranks on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bruce219 View Post
    I bought the comp over the carbon comp and i,m glad i did.I spent the extra $1100 on upgrades on it.Wheels,brakes e.t.c and now i have a great bike.The only difference between the two is the carbon front triangle,the weight difference is less 300 grammes and plus for a $4000 plus bike you would think they would put decent brakes and cranks on it.
    I was under the impression the Megura brakes were a huge improvement over the Avids of the past years?
    What parts did you put on yours when you did the upgrades? What kind of weight are you sitting at now after the upgrades?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hidperf View Post
    I rode the Stumpy and the Camber along with the Epic because I couldn't decide between the three. On the Stumpy, it just felt so big and like I was just along for the ride. I didn't feel like I was part of the bike, more like I was just along for the ride.

    The Camber still had that same feeling but not as bad. But it wasn't as crisp as the Epic.

    With the Epic, I felt like I was actually in control of the bike and it would do what I wanted, when I wanted. I just felt better on the Epic than the other two.


    Thanks for your comments! I test rode a medium aluminum Epic and a large CF Epic. It was not a full-on trail ride test, but I took them to a local school with some hills and tree roots. Both felt great, but the handling of the large one was slightly slower and less snappy than the medium, probably because of a longer stem. At 5'11", I'm a tweener for both sizes. The medium is perhaps a tad too small/short, while the large is a bit too big.
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    Quote Originally Posted by hidperf View Post
    I was under the impression the Megura brakes were a huge improvement over the Avids of the past years?
    What parts did you put on yours when you did the upgrades? What kind of weight are you sitting at now after the upgrades?
    Remember the magura that's one them is the lower end scale.Brakes were very bad,fine if your only going to the shops :-).
    I put arch ex wheels,New xt pedals,carbon bars,stem,seat post,2013 xo trail brakes,xo shifters,shimano r-76 rotors,180 on the front.I have the new xo cranks arriving monday for it.Its running tubeless.
    When i put the cranks on it will weight just under 27 pnds.Mine is a medium.I've seen guys on here with large ones just going tubeless and putting carbon bars and claiming 26 pnds plus which is B.S,if that's the case why would anyone buy an expert.My bro has a large expert and its just under 26 pnds, his has a dropper seat though

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark in Baltimore View Post
    Thanks for your comments! I test rode a medium aluminum Epic and a large CF Epic. It was not a full-on trail ride test, but I took them to a local school with some hills and tree roots. Both felt great, but the handling of the large one was slightly slower and less snappy than the medium, probably because of a longer stem. At 5'11", I'm a tweener for both sizes. The medium is perhaps a tad too small/short, while the large is a bit too big.
    I'm kinda in the same boat, 5'10" but my measurements put me on a large, which is what I test drove. They didn't have any mediums so I can't compare but I felt fine on the large.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bruce219 View Post
    Remember the magura that's one them is the lower end scale.Brakes were very bad,fine if your only going to the shops :-).
    I put arch ex wheels,New xt pedals,carbon bars,stem,seat post,2013 xo trail brakes,xo shifters,shimano r-76 rotors,180 on the front.I have the new xo cranks arriving monday for it.Its running tubeless.
    When i put the cranks on it will weight just under 27 pnds.Mine is a medium.I've seen guys on here with large ones just going tubeless and putting carbon bars and claiming 26 pnds plus which is B.S,if that's the case why would anyone buy an expert.My bro has a large expert and its just under 26 pnds, his has a dropper seat though
    Ah, I figured the MTS were a mid level brake since they were in between the MT4 and MT6. I'm going from V-brakes to hydro disc, so anything is an upgrade for me

    BTW, what did you pay for yours? I haven't gotten a price from my LBS yet and I think if all 5 of us buy at once, we might be able to get a good price on them.

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    hidperf, I see that you are in the st. louis region. So am I. I also see that you are 5'10" like me as well.

    I went with a large and a 90mm stem. There is a thread in here that has a lot of people doing the same thing. The medium felt too small for me and I didn't want to go the route of putting a long stem on my only FS bike and be too far forward. I know in St. Louis we don't have a lot of downhill, but I wanted to keep it short for my "rocky FS" bike if that makes any sense. The bike fits me like a glove, but YMMV based on your dimensions.

    Out of the shops in the area it seems like Mesa and The Bike Surgeon were the best for giving deals.

    I am a big fan of the Magura brakes. I have put around 300 miles on the bike so far and I haven't had to fiddle with them at all. They just work. They took a long time to bed in. I wish that they had more stopping power and after some long downhills they will start to lose power, but they are really nice brakes with great modulation. The only difference between them and the high end Magura MT8's is weight. They use all of the same technology throughout their lineup.

    Knowing that you are in the St. Louis area I can see that you wouldn't need anything more than the Epic for the trails around here. The Epic is going to be overkill for most of the trails in the area, but between locking the fork and the brain shock can make the bike pretty stiff if you are worried about too much suspension bob.

    Like I said before, if you don't have the cash to get the carbon frame and upgrade the wheels then I would just go AL. I think the stock wheels are 2000+ grams and have had tons of rear hub issues.


    Cool little video from Santa Cruz on the difference between carbon and AL.
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    My issue with Specialized is that for the price, the builds aren't really all that great. I was going to recommend what I did in 2011, which was instead of buying a carbon Epic model, buy the aluminum Epic frame and build it up the way that you want. That way you aren't messing around with the (at least back then) lousy rear hub; with a lot of careful shopping I was able to put together a full X9/XT build with a lefty fork and project 321 wheels for the cost of the mid-range carbon model. Of course, now I look at Specialized's website and come to realize that only the S-works frame is offered in the frame-only configuration - go figure.... All that said, I love my Epic 29er and would highly recommend it to most people. In my experience it is an extremely capable and depending on how you build it up, flexible bike.

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    I checked out a 2013 Epic Expert today at my LBS. Pretty darn nice but I can't justify the price.

    My Epic responded instantly, too. It's the steep angles of the frame. Some might consider it too twitchy. I rode mine hard all over the So Cal trails and it never failed me.

    Enjoy your new Epic, whatever model you get!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tooclosetosee View Post
    hidperf, I see that you are in the st. louis region. So am I. I also see that you are 5'10" like me as well.

    I went with a large and a 90mm stem. There is a thread in here that has a lot of people doing the same thing. The medium felt too small for me and I didn't want to go the route of putting a long stem on my only FS bike and be too far forward. I know in St. Louis we don't have a lot of downhill, but I wanted to keep it short for my "rocky FS" bike if that makes any sense. The bike fits me like a glove, but YMMV based on your dimensions.

    Out of the shops in the area it seems like Mesa and The Bike Surgeon were the best for giving deals.

    I am a big fan of the Magura brakes. I have put around 300 miles on the bike so far and I haven't had to fiddle with them at all. They just work. They took a long time to bed in. I wish that they had more stopping power and after some long downhills they will start to lose power, but they are really nice brakes with great modulation. The only difference between them and the high end Magura MT8's is weight. They use all of the same technology throughout their lineup.

    Knowing that you are in the St. Louis area I can see that you wouldn't need anything more than the Epic for the trails around here. The Epic is going to be overkill for most of the trails in the area, but between locking the fork and the brain shock can make the bike pretty stiff if you are worried about too much suspension bob.

    Like I said before, if you don't have the cash to get the carbon frame and upgrade the wheels then I would just go AL. I think the stock wheels are 2000+ grams and have had tons of rear hub issues.


    Cool little video from Santa Cruz on the difference between carbon and AL.
    Santa Cruz Bicycles - Test Lab - Pinkbike
    Thanks for the info. Either way I go, I'll end up financing the bike. It's just a matter of how much I want to finance and how long I want to pay on it. I think I can probably make up the weight difference between the two with upgrades and still come in around the same price with my choice of better components.


    Quote Originally Posted by TurnerConvert View Post
    My issue with Specialized is that for the price, the builds aren't really all that great. I was going to recommend what I did in 2011, which was instead of buying a carbon Epic model, buy the aluminum Epic frame and build it up the way that you want. That way you aren't messing around with the (at least back then) lousy rear hub; with a lot of careful shopping I was able to put together a full X9/XT build with a lefty fork and project 321 wheels for the cost of the mid-range carbon model. Of course, now I look at Specialized's website and come to realize that only the S-works frame is offered in the frame-only configuration - go figure.... All that said, I love my Epic 29er and would highly recommend it to most people. In my experience it is an extremely capable and depending on how you build it up, flexible bike.
    Thanks for the info. I think I'm starting to lean this way now.

    Quote Originally Posted by ambassadorhawg View Post
    I checked out a 2013 Epic Expert today at my LBS. Pretty darn nice but I can't justify the price.

    My Epic responded instantly, too. It's the steep angles of the frame. Some might consider it too twitchy. I rode mine hard all over the So Cal trails and it never failed me.

    Enjoy your new Epic, whatever model you get!
    That's what I keep hearing. I've read nothing but great things about the Epic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hidperf View Post
    Ah, I figured the MTS were a mid level brake since they were in between the MT4 and MT6. I'm going from V-brakes to hydro disc, so anything is an upgrade for me

    BTW, what did you pay for yours? I haven't gotten a price from my LBS yet and I think if all 5 of us buy at once, we might be able to get a good price on them.
    I paid $3200 for mine,i'm 5-10 and a half and i went with the medium,Large felt to big.The brakes are fine if your only doing flat trails.Once they get hot on long downhill they have bad
    brake fade and the lever pulls to the bar.I had to different shops bleed mine and i bought new pads and discs and broke them in proper and left them over night to cool,but alas once they get hot same problem.

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    Epic comp to comp carbon - 1000bucks
    Epic comp carbon to expert - 1900bucks
    Epic comp al to expert - 2700 bucks

    Brain cartridge for reba costs 250 bucks to conversion and rest 2450 to spent with other ups

    Aluminum doenst have the same glamour of carbon but do you able to build a lightweight race machine without fear of abrasions or pontuctures on the frame

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    Quote Originally Posted by ftajiri View Post
    Epic comp to comp carbon - 1000bucks
    Epic comp carbon to expert - 1900bucks
    Epic comp al to expert - 2700 bucks

    Brain cartridge for reba costs 250 bucks to conversion and rest 2450 to spent with other ups

    Aluminum doenst have the same glamour of carbon but do you able to build a lightweight race machine without fear of abrasions or pontuctures on the frame

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    I wasn't aware you could upgrade the Reba to the Brain. This is excellent news.

    So, how does this sound. And I'm not set on any of this, it's just what I've quickly gathered from the forum.
    Epic Comp 29 with upgraded front fork, Roval Control Carbon 29 wheelset running tubeless, carbon bars, carbon seat post and misc lighter things like grips and seat post clamp. I should be able to do that for in between the expert and Comp Carbon and be lighter right?

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    Derbycycles on google.. They make the "brain transplant"

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    Just make sure you like the brain in the forks first before you start fiddling,i was going to get it put in mine but after riding my bro's expert i decided against it,didn't like it climbing steep rocky sections.

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    Another option more reliable is rct3 cartridge from rockshox cost about 100usd and has platform mode like a fox rlc... I think if the brain was harsh in front is harsh as rear, rct3 is best choice... The brain works with inertia valve fast with effective lockout but harsh or slow valve with bob on climbings... It is a characheristic of the shock... The other bikes as stumpjumper fsr, camber works fine with rp23, monarch, ctd etc...

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    Quote Originally Posted by hidperf View Post
    I wasn't aware you could upgrade the Reba to the Brain. This is excellent news.

    So, how does this sound. And I'm not set on any of this, it's just what I've quickly gathered from the forum.
    Epic Comp 29 with upgraded front fork, Roval Control Carbon 29 wheelset running tubeless, carbon bars, carbon seat post and misc lighter things like grips and seat post clamp. I should be able to do that for in between the expert and Comp Carbon and be lighter right?
    Make sure that you like the brain in the fork before you upgrade. $250 is a lot of money for something that you may not like. I demoed an Sworks last spring and I didn't like the brain fork. Right now I am running the fork stock and I am not really missing any type of lockout. If I have a long climb then I will reach down while riding and lock it out and before I start the downhill I will flip it back. Maybe slows me down half a second or so in a race. Not that big of a deal really. For the most part I like to ride with my fork fairly firm so I rarely need to lock it out. I have a remote lockout on my hardtail and it is nice, and I thought about upgrading my epic with one, but for the most part I don't miss it too much. I would just optimize your shock set up so that you are happy with it for 90%+ of your riding and then think about if you really need the brain or lockout. In my experience a properly tuned and set up shock dismisses the need for a brain or lock out.

    The stock seatpost clamp is a simple bolt clamp and came in at 17 grams. You are not going to save a lot of weight there.

    I lost 366 grams off of my bike for $400 by going to ESI chunky grips, Easton EC70 wide bars, Ritchey Superlogic post, and a Fizik Tundra 2 carbon railed saddle. The stock cassette is also a tank. I have yet to upgrade that as I am playing with the idea of going XX1 in a year or so after people have had time to review it. I have my bike down to the low 25's with pedals and real tires (Racing Ralph SS 2.25)

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    Quote Originally Posted by tooclosetosee View Post
    Make sure that you like the brain in the fork before you upgrade. $250 is a lot of money for something that you may not like. I demoed an Sworks last spring and I didn't like the brain fork. Right now I am running the fork stock and I am not really missing any type of lockout. If I have a long climb then I will reach down while riding and lock it out and before I start the downhill I will flip it back. Maybe slows me down half a second or so in a race. Not that big of a deal really. For the most part I like to ride with my fork fairly firm so I rarely need to lock it out. I have a remote lockout on my hardtail and it is nice, and I thought about upgrading my epic with one, but for the most part I don't miss it too much. I would just optimize your shock set up so that you are happy with it for 90%+ of your riding and then think about if you really need the brain or lockout. In my experience a properly tuned and set up shock dismisses the need for a brain or lock out.

    The stock seatpost clamp is a simple bolt clamp and came in at 17 grams. You are not going to save a lot of weight there.

    I lost 366 grams off of my bike for $400 by going to ESI chunky grips, Easton EC70 wide bars, Ritchey Superlogic post, and a Fizik Tundra 2 carbon railed saddle. The stock cassette is also a tank. I have yet to upgrade that as I am playing with the idea of going XX1 in a year or so after people have had time to review it. I have my bike down to the low 25's with pedals and real tires (Racing Ralph SS 2.25)
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    Just make sure you like the brain in the forks first before you start fiddling,i was going to get it put in mine but after riding my bro's expert i decided against it,didn't like it climbing steep rocky sections.
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    Another option more reliable is rct3 cartridge from rockshox cost about 100usd and has platform mode like a fox rlc... I think if the brain was harsh in front is harsh as rear, rct3 is best choice... The brain works with inertia valve fast with effective lockout but harsh or slow valve with bob on climbings... It is a characheristic of the shock... The other bikes as stumpjumper fsr, camber works fine with rp23, monarch, ctd etc...

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    Thanks for all the info! I should be finding out about the price on the bike in the next day or so.

    I've also been eyeballing a used Epic Expert Carbon 29 with lots of up grades but it looks like it's been ridden pretty hard. I'm afraid of getting into something like that.

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    Is it this one?
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    If so then yea, it has been ridden about as hard as can be. The owner is a bike mechanic so it should be pretty well maintained.

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    Is it this one?
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    If so then yea, it has been ridden about as hard as can be. The owner is a bike mechanic so it should be pretty well maintained.
    Nope. I'd actually feel more comfortable if it were local and I could have it checked out first.
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    I continue to be amazed at the lack of descriptions from most sellers who put their bikes on eBay.
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    Go ahead and shoot the guy in STL an email and see if he still has the bike. He has won multiple races in the area on that bike.

    I thought about going ebay, but the problem with a used bike is that the warranty is not transferable. That may or may not be important to you. Say 9 years from now the frame cracks (not from a crash). Then Specialized will hook you up with a new frame/bike that is comparable to the one you purchased. I don't know if you can do crash replacement with a used frame either. Crash replacement is where you pay more or less the shops price on a frame if you were to break it. If you are planning on keeping the bike for 10 plus years it can definitely pay for itself. If you are planning on moving the bike in a couple years then it doesn't matter so much.

    What I found is that a shop will usually work out a deal for you that isn't too far off from ebay prices.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tooclosetosee View Post
    Go ahead and shoot the guy in STL an email and see if he still has the bike. He has won multiple races in the area on that bike.

    I thought about going ebay, but the problem with a used bike is that the warranty is not transferable. That may or may not be important to you. Say 9 years from now the frame cracks (not from a crash). Then Specialized will hook you up with a new frame/bike that is comparable to the one you purchased. I don't know if you can do crash replacement with a used frame either. Crash replacement is where you pay more or less the shops price on a frame if you were to break it. If you are planning on keeping the bike for 10 plus years it can definitely pay for itself. If you are planning on moving the bike in a couple years then it doesn't matter so much.

    What I found is that a shop will usually work out a deal for you that isn't too far off from ebay prices.
    I thought I saw that shop guys Epic on Craigslist last week but it's gone now.

    This was another reason I'm not comfortable with used/eBay bikes. I've heard so many great things about Specialized warranty and how good they are about upgrading you.

    I tend to hang on too things like my bikes for a long time. The bike this is replacing is a 1999 model. So I don't plan on getting rid of this new bike any time soon. A warranty would be well worth it.

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    I would be very wary of buying that expert due to the fact that the seller
    Has no feedback.very risky with that much money.

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    I personally think that ebay bike color choice is fuggly. Here is mine http://i47.tinypic.com/efgtpg.jpg

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    My buddy with alloy Epic drools on my carbon epic every time we ride. Get the carbon its lighter, stiffer and has the wow factor.
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    If you have never had a carbon bike I would try it. I am doing the same thing. Giving carbon a try and then I will know if it is worth it in the future. Only problem may be in 2 or 3 years they may not even offer an alum epic.

    How come there isn't a alum frame only option?

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    Go Carbon. It is stiffer and more compfortable to ride. I used to have both and definetely prefer the Carbon Frame. .

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    Quote Originally Posted by bruce219 View Post
    I would be very wary of buying that expert due to the fact that the seller
    Has no feedback.very risky with that much money.
    I'd agree with Bruce, the no feed back combined with 2 different rims, sound he may have thrown on what he had laying around on it or bought some cheap 2nd hand wheels.

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    My buddy with alloy Epic drools on my carbon epic every time we ride. Get the carbon its lighter, stiffer and has the wow factor.
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    Go Carbon. It is stiffer and more compfortable to ride. I used to have both and definetely prefer the Carbon Frame. .
    I love all the go carbon, stiffer better ride. Unless you're getting a full carbon frame why bother? Where are most of the stress and flex? Rear chain and seat stays which are still aluminium. Save the money and make worthwhile upgrades.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bruce219 View Post
    I would be very wary of buying that expert due to the fact that the seller
    Has no feedback.very risky with that much money.
    It didn't sell and he relisted it at a lower price now.

    But yes, with no feedback and it being out of state where I couldn't look at it first, I'll pass. If it is legit, that's one hell of a deal though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    I'd agree with Bruce, the no feed back combined with 2 different rims, sound he may have thrown on what he had laying around on it or bought some cheap 2nd hand wheels.





    I love all the go carbon, stiffer better ride. Unless you're getting a full carbon frame why bother? Where are most of the stress and flex? Rear chain and seat stays which are still aluminium. Save the money and make worthwhile upgrades.
    Seat stays on the Expert are carbon. And I have yet to see a 22lbs TB even tho it is "All carbon".
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    Quote Originally Posted by irishpitbull View Post
    Seat stays on the Expert are carbon.
    I think he was talking about my original question of going with the Comp Carbon over the Comp. I can't afford an Expert and it would be a waste of money on someone with my skill level.

    Right now the plan is to just get the Comp 29 and upgrade the wheelset, sprocket, and misc small things. We're working on a group purchase of 4-5 bikes at once so it's taking some time to put it together.

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    You will definetely feel it at the bottom bracket, that,s where you will feel the difference, less in the rear part.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishpitbull View Post
    Seat stays on the Expert are carbon. And I have yet to see a 22lbs TB even tho it is "All carbon".
    OP wasn't asking about the expert was he? Second what does weight have to do with anything?

    Notice my quotes? It's about stiffer, more comfortable to ride. so again he would only get 1/2 those benefits since only 1/2 the bike is carbon.

    Trying answering the op instead of trying to start a pissing match.

    BTW you need to look a little harder Show your Tallboys picture thread? Is there one?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    BTW you need to look a little harder Show your Tallboys picture thread? Is there one?
    Now THAT'S light.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mark in Baltimore View Post
    I continue to be amazed at the lack of descriptions from most sellers who put their bikes on eBay.
    The closest thing to an upvote I can find.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tooclosetosee View Post
    I personally think that ebay bike color choice is fuggly. Here is mine http://i47.tinypic.com/efgtpg.jpg
    That's a badass looking machine. I love that color but I wish they offered a different choice in the Comp Carbon, just because everyone who buys that is stuck with the exact same color.

    This group of guys that are all buying Epics are having troubles deciding which colors to get. We all like the black but we don't want to have the same exact bikes as each other. We're not against the silver, which leaves us with those two options. The red isn't available right now.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishpitbull View Post
    Seat stays on the Expert are carbon. And I have yet to see a 22lbs TB even tho it is "All carbon".
    sorry but not true. the seat says on the expert carbon are actually the m5 alloy.



    is it possible to buy the rear triangle seperatly? obiously it would make sense to just buy the marathon or sworks with the carbon rear but didn't know if just the rear was kinda of affordable( at least to carbon standards of affordable)

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    Quote Originally Posted by hidperf View Post
    That's a badass looking machine. I love that color but I wish they offered a different choice in the Comp Carbon, just because everyone who buys that is stuck with the exact same color.

    This group of guys that are all buying Epics are having troubles deciding which colors to get. We all like the black but we don't want to have the same exact bikes as each other. We're not against the silver, which leaves us with those two options. The red isn't available right now.
    That bike is the Comp Carbon, which looks very similar to the black comp except it is matte black and a more yellowish green.

    I'm hard pressed to believe that someone can feel the difference between an aluminum and carbon fiber rear triangle on a full suspension bike. I would think that in between the shock and the flex in the bearings and pivots would be more noticeable than the material. What do I know though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by adumb View Post
    is it possible to buy the rear triangle seperatly? obiously it would make sense to just buy the marathon or sworks with the carbon rear but didn't know if just the rear was kinda of affordable( at least to carbon standards of affordable)
    AFIK the only way to get the carbon triangle is to buy the S-Works frame set, or one of the bikes that come with it. I've found no information on just the rear triangle.

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    I have heard that you can order the carbon rear triangle replacement through a speci dealer (this was not advertised, but a work around from a shop employee trying to do the same thing), but this was last year, not sure if that is still valid. Everyone (for the most part) is making good arguments in favor of both sides, so I might as well put my $.02 in the pot as well. I'm primarily a road racer, ride mtb in the off season and to mix it up with a few xc races a year. I was debating between the various epic models as well, with a very race and high-end oriented shop that I purchased it from. I ended up with the 2012 epic comp over the comp carbon. The expert was too much money, and I didn't care much for the brain fork anyways. I ended up swapping the wheels to Stan's crests, tubeless, new xt pedals, cut the bars down a bit, and put esi grips on, and I'm already down around 26.5lbs in a size medium. Next upgrades are cassette, post, bars, and stem, but I can do that over time when I find the "right" deals.

    The way I saw it was the carbon comp was around .75lbs lighter or whatever it was for $1100 more, and I was going to want to upgrade the wheels in either case. I could see that if this is going to a long term, weight conscious project, the carbon front triangle will pay off, because that weight will eventually come into play after you upgrade everything else. But if you're not a big WW, hardcore racer, "look at mine", upgrade happy, or only plan on having the bike for a few years, I personally didn't think it was worth the extra dough. For less than I would have spent on the carbon comp, I know have a bike lighter than the stock carbon comp.

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    To make the the decision easier in my opinion, here's what you do with that $1100 you save
    2013 Specialized Control 29 Carbon Wheels for $1200 | Mountain Bike Review

    Much better use of that money over a carbon front triangle. Wheels are the BEST place to loose weight first.
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    I always think to get a i9 wheelset for this value.. Its so cool, colored and tough

    Later do you can get some cheap chinese carbon rims to attached in these hubs and aluminum spokes
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    i bought my 2013 Epic comp size medium (im 5'10) 2 weeks ago for $3000. it came out the box @ 27 lbs. i added xt brake's, ground control tire's f/r tubeless, and Ergon GA1 Evo grips and it comes in @ 28. i had a 2012 SC Tallboy al in a large and felt it was to big. it rode great but the Epic blows it away.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    To make the the decision easier in my opinion, here's what you do with that $1100 you save
    2013 Specialized Control 29 Carbon Wheels for $1200 | Mountain Bike Review

    Much better use of that money over a carbon front triangle. Wheels are the BEST place to loose weight first.
    This is exactly my plan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heavyd66 View Post
    i bought my 2013 Epic comp size medium (im 5'10) 2 weeks ago for $3000. it came out the box @ 27 lbs. i added xt brake's, ground control tire's f/r tubeless, and Ergon GA1 Evo grips and it comes in @ 28. i had a 2012 SC Tallboy al in a large and felt it was to big. it rode great but the Epic blows it away.
    So you're comparing the way a bike that didn't fit rode to a bike that does fit
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    Quote Originally Posted by ftajiri View Post
    I always think to get a i9 wheelset for this value.. Its so cool, colored and tough

    Later do you can get some cheap chinese carbon rims to attached in these hubs and aluminum spokes
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    I9 are nice but more bling. Why spend I9 kind of money, then throw those cheap carbon rims on them later? Go straight for carbon wheels for the same price. The spec wheels have DT Swiss internals and limited lifetime warranty. No emailing china hoping they warranty the rim and paying shipping.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heavyd66 View Post
    i bought my 2013 Epic comp size medium (im 5'10) 2 weeks ago for $3000. it came out the box @ 27 lbs. i added xt brake's, ground control tire's f/r tubeless, and Ergon GA1 Evo grips and it comes in @ 28. i had a 2012 SC Tallboy al in a large and felt it was to big. it rode great but the Epic blows it away.
    that is weird that the sc tallboy was to big cause i looked at the frame geometry and it looks like that is the medium/large frame size most specialized epic owners that are your height( i am also 5'10) have been looking for.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    I9 are nice but more bling. Why spend I9 kind of money, then throw those cheap carbon rims on them later? Go straight for carbon wheels for the same price. The spec wheels have DT Swiss internals and limited lifetime warranty. No emailing china hoping they warranty the rim and paying shipping.
    Chinese are not do bad :P talking serious: i9 stock is a tremendous wheelset, but carbon roval is a good business.. I9 with reynolds costs more 2500 for almost weight of roval... Is more racional

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    Well, two out of the group of five have either ordered bikes or picked up already. I'm still trying to gather the funds for mine. Good thing is, one got a large and one got a medium, so I'll be able to try both sizes and see which one fits best.

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    If you are willing to spend the money on the carbon then buy the aluminum. I am sure that I will recieve much hate about this, but instead of spending an extra $1100 on the carbon frame purchase a set of Roval Control carbon wheels for $1100 also. This will not only lower the overall weight of the bike to about the weight of the carbon, but it will also decrease the rotational weight of the wheels. Rotational weight is where you should put your money, because the heavier the tires and rims, the more weight you much put into motion. Using more of your own energy and making the bike feel heavier. Rotational weight is more noticeable than overall weight. By putting the carbon wheels on the aluminum bike, you will make the aluminum bike feel much lighter than the carbon for the same price.
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    I'm about to pick up a full-bling carbon full-suspension, but I think if the money is important to you, get the aluminum frame. On the other hand, if you can afford it .... I've never heard anyone say "I wish I'd bought a little less bike"

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    Is there a complete list of all the weights of all the 2013 Epic 29ers somewhere?

    I have a 2011 Comp and I thinking of upgrading to a carbon model or do a build with an s works frame set. I would prefer to buy a 2013 complete carbon bike and switch over my trail SLs.
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    Thank you!
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    Weight - 26 lbs 14 ozs
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    Quote Originally Posted by Scott In MD View Post
    I'm about to pick up a full-bling carbon full-suspension, but I think if the money is important to you, get the aluminum frame. On the other hand, if you can afford it .... I've never heard anyone say "I wish I'd bought a little less bike"
    True, but when $1100 only gets you a carbon front triangle, there are better places to spend that money like the carbon wheel set mentioned.
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    Quote Originally Posted by stumpjumper782 View Post
    If you are willing to spend the money on the carbon then buy the aluminum. I am sure that I will recieve much hate about this, but instead of spending an extra $1100 on the carbon frame purchase a set of Roval Control carbon wheels for $1100 also. This will not only lower the overall weight of the bike to about the weight of the carbon, but it will also decrease the rotational weight of the wheels. Rotational weight is where you should put your money, because the heavier the tires and rims, the more weight you much put into motion. Using more of your own energy and making the bike feel heavier. Rotational weight is more noticeable than overall weight. By putting the carbon wheels on the aluminum bike, you will make the aluminum bike feel much lighter than the carbon for the same price.
    This is my plan, now that they've released the less expensive carbon 29 wheel set. After the holidays, I should have the money to put down. I hope they have some left by then.

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    So how does the epic and its 100mm travel handle a little air time?
    Anyone had problems with bottoming out suspension or anything?
    I kind of want a stumpy fsr but for where I live it's a little too much bike
    I like racing too and also find myself airborn a little more than my old XC wheel set should have been (rip) but an epic with some control trails might do alright? Idk...
    Thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by adumb View Post
    sorry but not true. the seat says on the expert carbon are actually the m5 alloy.



    is it possible to buy the rear triangle seperatly? obiously it would make sense to just buy the marathon or sworks with the carbon rear but didn't know if just the rear was kinda of affordable( at least to carbon standards of affordable)

    Condidering I own one. I should know it is carbon. How about you use the googles.

    ITs the 1st bullet point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by irishpitbull View Post
    Condidering I own one. I should know it is carbon. How about you use the googles.

    ITs the 1st bullet point.

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    Considering you own one you should know to mention it was a Evo which you didn't do so I was right in saying the epic expert carbon does not have carbon stays

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    So you're comparing the way a bike that didn't fit rode to a bike that does fit
    Quote Originally Posted by adumb View Post
    that is weird that the sc tallboy was to big cause i looked at the frame geometry and it looks like that is the medium/large frame size most specialized epic owners that are your height( i am also 5'10) have been looking for.
    the TB felt like i was on top of the bike and the Epic i feel more "in" the bike. the Epic is more responsive, tight,quick, like it's on rails. it rides different than the TB. i bought the TB from Competitive Cyclist and i did the fit calculator and it said i was in between sizes so i called them 2 times and spoke to 2 different guys and both told me that i was in between sizes and to go with the large. i really liked the TB but i like the Epic more. is it because of the size difference? i dont think i can say100% yes. i truly feel it rides different. i would tell anyone looking for a bike to TEST RIDE all of the bikes they are looking at and if you are like me and in between size guy to try both sizes and see what feels best to you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrich88 View Post
    So how does the epic and its 100mm travel handle a little air time?
    Anyone had problems with bottoming out suspension or anything?
    I kind of want a stumpy fsr but for where I live it's a little too much bike
    I like racing too and also find myself airborn a little more than my old XC wheel set should have been (rip) but an epic with some control trails might do alright? Idk...
    Thoughts?
    i dont jump much i have hit some drop offs and rocks around 2 -2 1/2 ft and it's fine. a good set of wheels will help out. my best advise is to either hit a demo day, test ride, or rent the bike for a day and test all of the bikes you are considering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heavyd66 View Post
    i dont jump much i have hit some drop offs and rocks around 2 -2 1/2 ft and it's fine. a good set of wheels will help out. my best advise is to either hit a demo day, test ride, or rent the bike for a day and test all of the bikes you are considering.
    Thanks,
    The only problem there is that the local shops are all very small and Don't have the selection of full suspensions, only epics
    West Texas is very XC oriented, but I like traveling and riding new places. So idk. Maybe a camber? Might still stick with the epic. We shall see!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrich88 View Post
    Thanks,
    The only problem there is that the local shops are all very small and Don't have the selection of full suspensions, only epics
    West Texas is very XC oriented, but I like traveling and riding new places. So idk. Maybe a camber? Might still stick with the epic. We shall see!
    While not on an Epic, I had a SJ with the 130mm Travel and I'm now on a 100mm Tallboy and I don't miss the travel. I will say, the TBc has a 120mm front fork, not 100mm so it is a little different.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tyrich88 View Post
    Thanks,
    The only problem there is that the local shops are all very small and Don't have the selection of full suspensions, only epics
    West Texas is very XC oriented, but I like traveling and riding new places. So idk. Maybe a camber? Might still stick with the epic. We shall see!
    Tyrich, my buddy lives in Denton Tx and i know that shop's in the Dallas area rent bikes so you could rent one for a day or 2 and see what you think. i test rode an 2012 Epic and Camber on the road and in the woods on an old gas pipeline along the interstate behind the shop i had went to and although it wasn't a ride on an actual trail i could tell that the Camber felt like a pig, tank which could be fun on the right trails but for me it is more of a "trail" bike than i was looking for. the Epic was fast but the test ride didn't sell me on the Epic. if i had ridden it on a trail then i would have bought it. so i decided on a SC TB. my buddy has one a talked me into it. i rode and raced it for 8 months and it was a real nice bike but it was a hair too big for me and i had a few minor issues happen with the bike so i sent it back and got the Epic. the Epic is more of a xc race bike than the Camber. so if your looking for a race bike i would say look at the Epic and the SC TB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heavyd66 View Post
    Tyrich, my buddy lives in Denton Tx and i know that shop's in the Dallas area rent bikes so you could rent one for a day or 2 and see what you think. i test rode an 2012 Epic and Camber on the road and in the woods on an old gas pipeline along the interstate behind the shop i had went to and although it wasn't a ride on an actual trail i could tell that the Camber felt like a pig, tank which could be fun on the right trails but for me it is more of a "trail" bike than i was looking for. the Epic was fast but the test ride didn't sell me on the Epic. if i had ridden it on a trail then i would have bought it. so i decided on a SC TB. my buddy has one a talked me into it. i rode and raced it for 8 months and it was a real nice bike but it was a hair too big for me and i had a few minor issues happen with the bike so i sent it back and got the Epic. the Epic is more of a xc race bike than the Camber. so if your looking for a race bike i would say look at the Epic and the SC TB.
    Sweet! So do you think the epic could handle the trail riding as well?
    Because I know it may be far fetched but I want a little of both in this bike purchase.
    I have a little bit of a bike crush on the stumpy fsr's but I feel like it would suck on the race track,
    I don't race often, but I would like something that could do it when I wanted to.
    If one bike could do that that is what I want to find out.
    Otherwise I may just get a trail bike and upgrade my hard tail to a race worthy set up.
    But, performance in both areas is the preferred method.

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    Quote Originally Posted by heavyd66 View Post
    Tyrich, my buddy lives in Denton Tx and i know that shop's in the Dallas area rent bikes so you could rent one for a day or 2 and see what you think. i test rode an 2012 Epic and Camber on the road and in the woods on an old gas pipeline along the interstate behind the shop i had went to and although it wasn't a ride on an actual trail i could tell that the Camber felt like a pig, tank which could be fun on the right trails but for me it is more of a "trail" bike than i was looking for. the Epic was fast but the test ride didn't sell me on the Epic. if i had ridden it on a trail then i would have bought it. so i decided on a SC TB. my buddy has one a talked me into it. i rode and raced it for 8 months and it was a real nice bike but it was a hair too big for me and i had a few minor issues happen with the bike so i sent it back and got the Epic. the Epic is more of a xc race bike than the Camber. so if your looking for a race bike i would say look at the Epic and the SC TB.
    And which shop did you go to? I've been to a couple shops in Dallas when I've been down there, but not while I was in the market for anew bike

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    well you could get a Camber and make your HT your race bike. the stumpy is too much bike for xc racing IMO. i didn't test the bikes when i was in Dallas i tested them here in my town. if your thinking Specialized 100% i would find a shop that has an Epic, Camber and Stumpy and go talk to them and tell them what you are looking for and see if you can test them. im telling you a test ride is the best way to see what each one is about. in the last year i have traveled to TX, LA, MS, AL, FL, GA to ride and race and 100mm was enough for me and im 240lbs. the most i would go up to is 110mm.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TwoTone View Post
    To make the the decision easier in my opinion, here's what you do with that $1100 you save
    2013 Specialized Control 29 Carbon Wheels for $1200 | Mountain Bike Review

    Much better use of that money over a carbon front triangle. Wheels are the BEST place to loose weight first.
    Question on these wheels compared to a set of Mavic Crossmax SLR 29's recommended by my LBS.

    Specialized are carbon, weigh 1580g, have DT Swiss hubs I believe, and a limited lifetime warranty against manufacturing defects.

    Mavics are aluminum, weigh 1620g, and have some kind of optional warranty against ANY kind of damage which puts them in the same price range.

    The Specialized are new enough that I haven't read many long term reviews on them but the Mavics have had either great reviews or terrible. Most of the terrible reviews are about customer service and them standing behind their warranty.

    And how about Stans rims or any other brand?

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    Quote Originally Posted by hidperf View Post
    Question on these wheels compared to a set of Mavic Crossmax SLR 29's recommended by my LBS.

    Specialized are carbon, weigh 1580g, have DT Swiss hubs I believe, and a limited lifetime warranty against manufacturing defects.

    Mavics are aluminum, weigh 1620g, and have some kind of optional warranty against ANY kind of damage which puts them in the same price range.

    The Specialized are new enough that I haven't read many long term reviews on them but the Mavics have had either great reviews or terrible. Most of the terrible reviews are about customer service and them standing behind their warranty.

    And how about Stans rims or any other brand?
    I have not ridden carbon wheels, so I can't tell you. I can only comment based on what I've read. Carbon rims are not just about the weight, it's the increase stiffness at the same weight or lighter than alum.

    My LBS is a Specialized dealer also, they always have 20-20% off sales, so I'm hoping to have the money by the time the next one comes along. At around $950 I think I'll have to give them a try.

    The hub internals are DTSwiss, the other Roval carbon rims have been out a while and have good reviews along with good comments on the warranty when needed. While it's not a long term review, Francois first look review is enough for me to give them a try.

    I looked into getting DTSwiss with the Cheap Chinese carbon rims built; it was going to cost more than these Specialized on sale, so for me it seems like a no brainer.
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    Update, if anyone is still interested. Didn't get as much back on taxes as I had hoped (had to pay actually) so the Epic has been postponed. $3,000+ bike just isn't in the cards at this time.

    So now I'm going to look at a 07 Stumpjumper Expert with some mods. It will get me back on the trails for now and allow me to save up for the Epic I really want.

    The EXACT Epic I want is on eBay right now, but out of my reach at the moment.

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    Sorry to hear that. I ended up getting a used, "almost new" (not really, but that's another story), 2012 S-Works carbon hardtail after riding my buddy's 2011 Stumpy carbon HT. I missed the excellent climbing ability of a hardtail and was willing to sacrifice some ride for efficiency over a FS. Sold my Trek Top Fuel for a decent price and was thrilled to do so.
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    Kind of a late bump!

    Quote Originally Posted by hidperf View Post
    Update, if anyone is still interested. Didn't get as much back on taxes as I had hoped (had to pay actually) so the Epic has been postponed. $3,000+ bike just isn't in the cards at this time.

    So now I'm going to look at a 07 Stumpjumper Expert with some mods. It will get me back on the trails for now and allow me to save up for the Epic I really want.

    The EXACT Epic I want is on eBay right now, but out of my reach at the moment.
    Bummer on you missing out getting an Epic at this time. Maybe a used one in good condition sometime in the future?

    On a lighter note, this is one of the threads that has been very helpfull! In doing research on my own for sometime, I have confirmed and narrowed down my choice to getting a silver '13 Comp and upgrade with the less expensive Roval Control Carbon wheelset for ~ the list price. Adding those, along with going tubeless with the SWorks tires,carbon bars/seatpost/seat I already have should lighten things up more than adequately. Now to sell a couple items from my quiver to consolidate and have an all-round Trail/XC/Epic machine!
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    Wait whuuut, who did he tell you that!?!?....

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    Hi Epic owners. Im planning on buying Epic Comp carbon 2013 in size XL. That would be my first mountain bike. I have ridden road cycles for several years and just wanted have some new inspiration with that bike.
    Im quite tall so I wanted t ask if there is other tall Epic riders around here? Im 6ft 4 and my inseam is 38". Is that big enough for me or should I seek some other bike?

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    Input on a possible 2013 Epic purchase

    I'm 6'2 with a 34 inseam and I ride an xl but could ride a large so you should be fine
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    Quote Originally Posted by finbike View Post
    Hi Epic owners. Im planning on buying Epic Comp carbon 2013 in size XL. That would be my first mountain bike. I have ridden road cycles for several years and just wanted have some new inspiration with that bike.
    Im quite tall so I wanted t ask if there is other tall Epic riders around here? Im 6ft 4 and my inseam is 38". Is that big enough for me or should I seek some other bike?
    I'm an inch shorter and own exact bike you are looking for. It works for me perfect. With that said, fitting bikes is almost impossible on a message board, so I'd talk to your shop. Even if they don't have the exact bike, I'm pretty sure every Epic shares the same geometry, so getting on any XL Epic should tell you if it will work for you or not. The Comp Carbon's a great ride. I've done a few upgrades, but most of them were done because I had nice stuff sitting in the parts bin. Only major one I've done is wheel set... thats on the way!

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    Okay, thanks guys. Thats a relief to hear. That bike Im planning on buying has been laying around in one athletes storage room, because hes couch dont let him drive it. Practically the bike is new, but I should get it in good price. Thats why I was interested on sizing.
    Cant wait to buy it..

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    Pulled the trigger on the black and green '13 Epic Comp last week. I went by today to check it out and they were waiting for the Ground Controls to come in that I wanted to swap to. Also dropping the XL's 110mm stem to the 90. They are setting it up tubeless out of the gate. I can't wait!

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