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    Help me decide...Turner Czar or Specialized Epic

    Looking for a solid 100mm XC bike and all but sold on the Turner Czar...although a buddy's Epic is really tickling my pickle. Feedback requested!

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    Hmm, I wonder which one visitors to the Specilized sub forum would typically recommend?

    I admit it, I'm biased.

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    Help me decide...Turner Czar or Specialized Epic

    Just curious as to the objective reasoning...if I'm planning to drop $10k on a bike, what would sway me to the Big Red S over say a Turner, Pivot, or even a Niner? Warranty?? I will admit, my previous warranty claims with Specialized have been very well handled.
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    Help me decide...Turner Czar or Specialized Epic

    Turner, Pivot, even Niner would take my money over the specialized

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    Help me decide...Turner Czar or Specialized Epic

    Based on performance, value, or perhaps other intangibles?

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    The 2014 Epic is the best XC bike you can buy. My S-Works WC climbs like a hardtail, makes the bumpiest trails feel smooth even with the brain on full lockout, and it is so stable on fast downhills that I can't believe it. I was originally planning on keeping my S-Works Stumpjumper FSR for days I wanted more suspensions travel, but I just don't need it. I don't know how they did it, but you would be crazy to buy anything else.
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    Help me decide...Turner Czar or Specialized Epic

    Was your Stumpy a 26er? I'm kind of in the same boat if so...currently have a 5 Spot that complemented my 26er XC bike well...wondering if there'll be too much overlap between the two if I go 100mm in a 29er. I think there very well may be, especially if I opt for a 120mm fork. Interesting stuff.
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    hard to beat either of them. The czar will probably be a bit better of a pedaler without lockout or brain, but the newer FSR has great kinematics, and throwing the brain stuff on top should make it a race car. I don't see how you can lose with either...the only reservation I do have is that the geo on the czar is a little weird. they have super short reaches for their TT lengths, so a large turner is going to net you 23.8 ett with 16.6 reach, while the spec has 24.3 and 17.7 in reach. The XL turner brings you up to a closer 24.6ett, but with only 17.1in of reach. What that boils down to is that if you like the short stem, wide bar phenomenon, you're SOL with turners. If you like running a longer stem, you'll probably be pretty stretched out on the specialized....might be worth test riding them both if there's an issue.

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    Help me decide...Turner Czar or Specialized Epic

    I know what you mean about the Turner reach...when I moved from a 2010 Enduro to a 2012 5 Spot, I had to go from a 50mm stem to a 90mm to not have it feel like my grips were on top of my thighs; both bikes were XL's.

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    No, my Stumpy FSR is 2012 S-works 29er. I feel like the 2014 Epic WC does everything better. I'm a racer and the biggest jumps I do probably have no more than 3-4 feet elevation. If you are dropping bigger than that regularly, than more travel would be better. If not, you can't beat the Epic.
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    Well, I have never ridden the other bikes, but I can say good things about the epic too, I'm riding a 12' comp carbon 29 and enjoying it a lot. The suspension is good, especially the brain stuff, it works properly. Even though it is a xc bike I some times do technical trails and it handles well, despite of 100mm harshness. Geometry is great, and I didn't have relevant compontents problems so far. Also, if you are planning to get a 2014 model, I've heard good things about it too, it has the useful swat I wish I had on mine. Hope this helps

    I'm riding the epic on the video, you can see it handle some drops.


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