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    Help deciding Stumpjumper FSR 2008 or 2010?

    I hope to get some opinions on a choice I have to make:

    $2,100(*) - 2008 Stumpjumper FSR 29

    GOOD:
    - Cheaper (note original MSRP was $4,100)
    - "Expert" frame
    - Brain on rear shock
    - Somewhat better components

    BAD:
    - Used slightly, 2nd hand, no warranty
    - Green/brown color scheme
    - Specs: http://www.specialized.com/zz/en/bc/...008&spid=33437
    - Video review: http://www.testrider.com/fly.aspx?la...layer&video=38

    -OR-

    $2,500(*) - 2010 Stumpjumper FSR Comp 29

    GOOD:
    - Improved(?) frame/technology (I assume)
    - Black color
    - New, under warranty, maybe better resale value

    BAD:
    - More expensive
    - No brain, somewhat lower components
    - Specs: http://www.specialized.com/zz/en/bc/...45842&eid=4950

    (*) Note on pricing: I have included all discounts, shipping, taxes and other expected costs, for a more realistic comparisson.

    About me: Have ridden a bit about 6 years ago on a EPX Terrashark carbon. Wanted to take it out again and got some squeaks - LBS says the carbon swing arm came unbonded from the alloy hinge and is unsafe to ride... but I want to get back into the full swing riding 2-3 times a week. 45 years old, love the off-road trails in North county San Diego canyons but more interested in the fitness part rather than adrenaline seeking bruising. It may take some time to get really good on technical trails.

    So what would you recommend? The Brain and cheaper price sound appealing and point to the 2008 Stumpy. But if the Brain would not add that much to my skill/level, the piece of mind of a new bike may be better?

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    I'd say go new, but that's me. The brain is truly amazing technology, but somewhat unnecessary on a trail bike. AND it's one more very expensive thing to break on a warranty-less bike...

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    SurfSailRide, thanks for the feedback; good point on the expensive part w/o warranty.

    I also was just searching to find out more about where does the Brain magic most help... not finding much. What do you mean that is not neccessary on a trail bike; when it is most helpful to have?

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    The price on the 08 sounds high. I wouldn't pay more than 50-60% of the original price for a two year old bike.

    You might want to search the forum for brain problems. I'm not sure they had all the bugs worked out in 2008.
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    Billee, the price for the 2008 is actually $1850 (and I found the MSRP for it to vary between $4100 and $3500), I have included the additional costs for shipping ($120) + putting it back together and inspection/calibration (~$130)

    Same for the 2010, I have substracted expected discount and then added the sales tax, trying to get to compare apples to apples as far as all out of pocket expenses.

    I'll search for 2008 Brain bugs; thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rneagu
    SurfSailRide, thanks for the feedback; good point on the expensive part w/o warranty.

    I also was just searching to find out more about where does the Brain magic most help... not finding much. What do you mean that is not neccessary on a trail bike; when it is most helpful to have?
    Climbing, of course, will be when it's most helpful. It will stiffen up the rear suspension, simulating a hard tail. However, the geometry and balance of the Stumpjumper are refined enough to virtually not even need it, unless you are racing.

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    SurfSailRide, that's great to know. Then it looks like the 2010 may be the way to go for me: more warranty security, less complexity to worry about, spanking new bike... for a bit more $.

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    I would go 2010 as long as you get the suspension set up correctly you will be more than ok. I have an 08 epic with the brain and i have to admit that I love that feature but with the pro pedal switch so easily accessible on the 2010 Stumpy thats what I would do.
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    Joeshwa24 - thanks for input; seems the signs point to going with the 2010 and using manual switch on the shock. That makes sense to me. I'll see what kind of a discount I may be able to get from the MSRP from my LBS.

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    The 2008 have issues with pedal hits, a friend of mine sold his because of this.

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    Haunted - Indeed, I read about this, seems several people had issues with low clearence. Should I assume the geometry of the 2010 resolves this issue?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rneagu
    Haunted - Indeed, I read about this, seems several people had issues with low clearence. Should I assume the geometry of the 2010 resolves this issue?
    The specs. on specialized web site are the same...

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    Corrected links

    Dadtorbn - The links were reversed; they are corrected now, as below:

    2008 Stumpjumper FSR 29
    http://www.specialized.com/zz/en/bc/...008&spid=33437
    Video review at testrider.com: http://www.testrider.com/fly.aspx?la...layer&video=38

    2010 Stumpjumper FSR Comp 29
    http://www.specialized.com/zz/en/bc/...45842&eid=4950

    Would the ground clearence be shown as "bottom bracket height"? If so, the 2008 shows 328mm and the 2010 shows as 338mm...so somewhat better, like 0.4" higher.

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    Specialized said that the issue has been resolved on the 2010, the bb is 10mm higher and the suspension sit higher when pedaling.

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    Haunted - exactly; that looks to correspond with the geometry specs posted in the links above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rneagu
    Dadtorbn - The links were reversed; they are corrected now, as below:

    2008 Stumpjumper FSR 29
    http://www.specialized.com/zz/en/bc/...008&spid=33437
    Video review at testrider.com: http://www.testrider.com/fly.aspx?la...layer&video=38

    2010 Stumpjumper FSR Comp 29
    http://www.specialized.com/zz/en/bc/...45842&eid=4950

    Would the ground clearence be shown as "bottom bracket height"? If so, the 2008 shows 328mm and the 2010 shows as 338mm...so somewhat better, like 0.4" higher.

    Sorry I looked at the non 29er...

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    Quote Originally Posted by The Haunted
    Specialized said that the issue has been resolved on the 2010, the bb is 10mm higher and the suspension sit higher when pedaling.
    I hope so I have an expert 29er due this week... I hope...

    Someone else told me on these boards that most of the 10mm increase in height will be eaten by the increase in sag desired due to increased travel of the suspension...

    Bottom Bracket question

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    Bottom bracket height

    Dadtorbn - indeed, have not thought about that; increased travel eating up the extra height. I would assume Specialized knows about the BB hitting obstacles issue and that they would have addressed such an issue with a redesign, or at least consider it together with many other variables/constraints that probably they have to satisfy...

    The Expert looks great; did not want to spend the extra $800 myself - Comp29 is $2500 and Expert29 is $3300. If you don't mind me asking, was the Brain the main attraction or was it something else that made you splurge more for the Expert? Have you compared/tested Brain vs. Triad previously?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rneagu
    Dadtorbn - indeed, have not thought about that; increased travel eating up the extra height. I would assume Specialized knows about the BB hitting obstacles issue and that they would have addressed such an issue with a redesign, or at least consider it together with many other variables/constraints that probably they have to satisfy...

    The Expert looks great; did not want to spend the extra $800 myself - Comp29 is $2500 and Expert29 is $3300. If you don't mind me asking, was the Brain the main attraction or was it something else that made you splurge more for the Expert? Have you compared/tested Brain vs. Triad previously?
    I'm a big boy... 6'5" and presently ~300lbs. I purchased an XL size. The front fork on the expert is 15mm QR. I figured the extra stiffness wouldn't hurt. Also, where I ride it's all up and down. There's not much flat terrain at all. I didn't want to fiddle with Propedal on and off. It looks to b e pretty easy to adjust on the 2010 models. I'm just getting back into riding after a very long hiatus and want it to be as much fun as possible... Lastly, it's been a good year for me so the funds were available...

    I didn't compare propedal to brain. I only read... Being a big boy no one stock much of anything in my size.

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    Dadtorbn - that makes sense. A lot of my trails are first 1/2 up teh hill and then go down so the Triad may work for me just fine. Plus I like the idea of the full warranty on a new bike. I am just about ready to pull the trigger on the 2010 FSR Comp now.

    Thanks all for sharing your feedback!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rneagu
    Dadtorbn - that makes sense. A lot of my trails are first 1/2 up teh hill and then go down so the Triad may work for me just fine. Plus I like the idea of the full warranty on a new bike. I am just about ready to pull the trigger on the 2010 FSR Comp now.

    Thanks all for sharing your feedback!

    A couple of other notes... I without much effort was able to get them to knock $300 off the MSRP. You should be able to do something similar. Also, if you aren't a mutant like me they may have a bike you can demo ride for ~$50 for a day. If you then buy a bike from them they'll apply the demo fee to your purchase.

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    I called around and found a shop that offered $300 off MSRP (and free tune-ups for life) but the shop was located 45' away. I opted for a closer one, even though I could only get it down $200. Decided to skip the limbo state of indecision and just pull the trigger. Got the 2010 Specialized Stumpjumper FSR Comp 29 last night (looks hot!) and will take it for a spin this afternoon... can't wait!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rneagu
    I called around and found a shop that offered $300 off MSRP (and free tune-ups for life) but the shop was located 45' away. I opted for a closer one, even though I could only get it down $200. Decided to skip the limbo state of indecision and just pull the trigger. Got the 2010 Specialized Stumpjumper FSR Comp 29 last night (looks hot!) and will take it for a spin this afternoon... can't wait!
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    Here is a pic with the bike in a virgin state (detailed gallery made with Shozam at http://onlinewerks.com/bikes/):



    Full Shozam gallery with details: http://onlinewerks.com/bikes/
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    All the pictures point to you making the RIGHT decision...

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    Listen! Full review after riding

    So I took the bike out for a couple of rides and will share my first impressions... Note that my main reference point is somewhat infrequent biking on a 6-7 year old carbon Terra Shark from EPX (reviews at http://www.mtbr.com/cat/bikes/xc-sus...1_1526crx.aspx)

    REVIEW OF SPECIALIZED STUMPJUMPER FSR COMP 29 (L) 2010
    (all stock components)

    The ride is quiet, almost buttery - all new probably helps. Bike feels solid and 'confident', probably a lot to do with the larger wheels. It goes where you point it and makes me feel a bit safer.

    LOOKS
    Hot! Looks better than the pictures. The accent color (brown) is more subdued and the paint has a matte finish. Not looking forward to the first scratch.



    RIDE
    Rides uphill better. On the TerraShark going on steep hills I would loose traction and worse, would not have enough weight on the front wheel and even little pebbles or obstacles would through my front wheel up from the road and I would need to disembark. The Stumpy is better balanced, albeit heavier, so I keep a firm grip and can go on all those hills I could not before.



    TIRES (front: S-Works Eskar, 29x2.3", 120 TPI, rear: Specialized The Captain Control, 29x2.0", 60 TPI)
    Better traction on cornering - I think the tire tread pattern has more bumps towards the side wall that grip better when wheel is at an angle.



    HANDLEBAR (Specialized XC flat, 2014 butted alloy, 680mm wide, 8 degree backsweep)
    Handlebar seems somewhat uncomfortable. Initially I thought it is because they stick out straight and I feel my arms at not at an ergonomic angle; it forces the elbows out. But then looking at other bikes I see all handlebars are about the same so maybe it is something else or just me... In any case, I do not feel even pressure across my palm. Not sure why the hubcap spokes design for the bronze stem top, any ideas??



    GRIPS (Specialized Thick lock on grip)
    Grip twists on handlebar, not sure if that is OK or it is supposed to be locked in position. Would have liked cushier or more ergonomic. I have seen the Ergon GP1 (http://reviews.mtbr.com/blog/ergon-gp1-grip-review/) in the REI shop and LBS and may upgrade at some point.



    PEDALS (comes with placeholders with clips)
    Works fine, getting more used to being strapped in while I wait for the Shimano M324 SPD/Platform pedals (http://www.mtbr.com/cat/drivetrain/p...135crx.aspx)to be delivered. I ended up not using basic SPD pedals on my previous Terra Shark bike because I would fall to easily. But I find harder to keep up with my biking buddy (get well Russell!!) so I decided to ease back into SPD clipless pedals but hedging my bets with dual purpose pedals so I can ride platform or SPD, depending on situation.



    SADDLE (Specialized Format, hollow Cr-Mo rails, SL foam)
    I was using a large gelled comfy saddle before, after being pained from multi-hour flat terrain rides. This new saddle is OK, though my rides now are no longer than 1 hour. Not sure if it will be comfy enough after several hours on it.



    FORK (Rock Shox Reba SL 29 for Specialized, 120mm of travel, 45mm offset, air spring, alloy tapered steerer, compression and rebound adj. w/ LO)
    Fork shock works great and the adjustable range seems to be spot on. One annoying thing is that even before my first ride the red soft ring that can be used as a marker for how much the fork compresses, got caught into the suspension (as shown in pic below). Tugged and pulled to get it out and now is too loose to stay up. I am surprised there was enough room to travel down the piston and get stuck in the first place.



    REAR SHOCK (Fox Triad, custom on-the-fly 3-position switch)
    Rear shock has the triad adjustment within easy reach. However, I wished the Lock setting to have been stiffer. Also the Pro Pedal setting to be stiffer, seems too close to fully open.



    SHIFT LEVERS (SRAM X-7, aluminum trigger)
    Shifters do not have a visual indicator showing the gear you are in; I think last year's X-7 did. It is easier to tell/remember or visually verify for the 3 front gears. But the ones on the back are a bit more inconspicuous. Probably not a big deal for most seasoned riders but I found myself wishing for a visual indicator. Sometimes I would try to push the buttons looking for a lower/higher back gear when there was none.



    FRONT DERAILLEUR (Shimano M660 SLX, DMD, top swing, dual pull)
    CHAIN (SRAM PC-971, 9-speed w/Power Link)
    CRANKSET (Custom Shimano FC-M542, 175mm)
    Shifting front gears was noisy and a few times would not shift from mid gear to the largest gear (slow speed). One time the chain even came off the gear. I am not sure if this can be fixed by doing some adjustments or it is something faulty. I know I am not supposed to mix easiest gear on front (smallest diameter) with hardest in back (largest diameter) and vice-versa. Did I get this right or is not supposed to use the largest diameter on both because that would stretch the chain?... Also I know I am not supposed to switch gears when chain is under a lot of stress like at the start of an uphill. The chain was a bit under stress when it came off but nothing too unusual so I was a bit surprised and disappointed by that.



    REAR DERAILLEUR (SRAM X-9)
    Gears witched like a Swiss watch - precise, quiet and reliable.



    CASSETTE (Shimano HG61, 9-speed, 12-36t)
    I think new for this year's 29"-ers granny gear get 36 teeth instead of 34, which should make it somehow easier to pedal through an arduous climb, particualrly when the rim/tire is 29". I did find this handy and was able to tackle hills which previously were inaccessible.

    FRONT BRAKE (Custom Avid Elixir R SL, alloy backed semi-met pads, 200mm rotor)
    REAR BRAKE (Custom Avid Elixir R SL, alloy backed semi-met pads, 185mm rotor)
    Front brake a bit loose at first, started tightening up after the first ride, likely just needed to be broken in.

    MANUALS
    Somewhat daunting information with all sorts of warnings against hazards and a mish-mash complexity of torque settings for each bolt. Also annoying that the main Specialized manual included a hodge-podge of directions like "if you have this thing-a-majig, then you do this but if your bike came with this other doo-dad then you have to do this other way/thing" so for a neophyte without the lingo some things did not make sense. It shouldn't be that hard with Microsoft Word to do a merge and output a manual specific for the exact bike with the specific options that I purchased. Fox included a CD manual with low production values and it was about the Brain, which my Stumpy does not have, go figure...

    OTHER
    Previous Terra Shark bike was black with some blue accent on the tires so other equipment I bought picked up on the blue color scheme. Now Stumpy has a brown accent color which complicates color coordination. I wish bikes were all color neutral. i understand their need to identify entry level from top tier but I would prefer them doing it with some marks, like military stripes and stars. Keep bold colors out of the main expensive gear. Introduce colors through accessories that can change more often without big expenditures. In any case, color is another reason I am glad I did not get the 2008 Stumpy from eBay as that one was green/brown color scheme which did not resonate with me at all.



    All in all, I am quite happy with this Stumpy - looks good, performs great and I really hope it will be a reliable partner for many trails to come!
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    Nice review. I'm glad you're enjoying your bike!

    I can't wait to get mine... But unfortunately I have to.

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    Any pics available of a 29er stumpy expert out there?

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    Meagu..

    Did you have a chance to weight the bike?
    Tough decision in front of me, I need to choose between the Epic 29er or the Stumpy 29er my budget keeps me on the comp versions...
    I'd really like to no out of the box weights on both...
    Thanks...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dozerdog
    Any pics available of a 29er stumpy expert out there?

    See this thread.

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    Thanks but I meant actual owner pics. The comp looks better than the site I am hoping the expert will as well...

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    Quote Originally Posted by dozerdog
    Thanks but I meant actual owner pics. The comp looks better than the site I am hoping the expert will as well...
    2nd page

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    Killer pics. Makes me more tempted to get that bike, I'm in the market for a FS 29'er right now. That brown black looks a lot better than the site, it looks like gold on the site, like a New Orleans Saints bike or something.

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    Yes, in actuality the bike looks much better even than the pics I posted. The paint has a classy matte finish (though I wonder if that aquires dust more easily than a glossy finish!)

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    A FINE MACHINE!

    IF ONLY!

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    Quote Originally Posted by rneagu
    Dadtorbn - indeed, have not thought about that; increased travel eating up the extra height. I would assume Specialized knows about the BB hitting obstacles issue and that they would have addressed such an issue with a redesign, or at least consider it together with many other variables/constraints that probably they have to satisfy...
    Hitting obstacles with your pedal isn't a bicycle issue... the 08, 09 stumpjumpers have a low bottom bracket, yes. However this allows you to be more balanced and rail corners better, due to a lower centre of gravity.

    It's a trade off. I'm sure the enduro has a higher BB because that bicycle is meant for more technical gnarl(comes with a bashgaurd)... in general though specialized all have lowish bottom brackets.. even their top DH sled.

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    I ordered the fsr comp 29 stump xl on xmas eve, still waitin

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