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    Formula C1 Brake issues on 2014 Stumpjumper FSR Comp 29er

    I recently got a 2014 Stumpjumper FSR 29er Comp that came standard with Formula C1 brakes. After two rides they were real spongy with hardly any stopping power and the levers were pulling all the way to the bars. I took the bike back to my LBS and they bled them and supposedly sorted them out. But today when I went to pick the bike up and tested the brakes both leaked from where the reservoir connects the hose. So much so that a squirt of fluid got in the LBS guys eye when I squeezed the lever and he went of to the hospital to have it checked out. This is the second bike that this LBS has had to remove the Formula C1 brakes from and send back to the Specialized dealer here in Cape Town for them to asses and work out if covered by the warranty. Does anyone know if this is a known issue? I must say I'm totally disillusioned wit the C1's. They were not very impressive at all and I they felt detracted from the otherwise super cool ride of the stumpy. Regardless of the warranty claim I think I will put SLX's on the bike. I believe that they are really good brakes for the money and should give much less trouble.

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    My C1 brakes is working flawless. On the other side I really liked the 2011 XX brakes and hated the 2013 XTR brakes.

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    I have the C1s on my 2014 sj comp evo and they are terrible, the front brakes make a lot of noise ...loudest I have ever heard. The rear brakes make the entire frame vibrate all the way through the handle bars. its so bad you don't even want to ride it. I have seen a few more stories on the web like this and to be honest cant believe they sell bikes for this much money that have so many issues.

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    kinda feel the same way. i spent the dough now just wanna ride. don't wanna be going back and forth to the LBS

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    If I was in that position, I would be asking to have them switched out to SLX brakes. They have been flawless on my SJ Elite. I did demo an SJ with the C1s, and although they functioned fine during my ride, the rear did squeal quite a bit.

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    Why the heck Specialized went back to Formula brakes after the issues back in 2012 ? This makes no sense... Oh yeah,money,forgot about that....

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    I too am having a lukewarm experience with the C1s on my Enduro 29. They just feel a bit vague and spongy. It's hard to tell when the pads are making initial contact with the rotor and hard to judge how much lever "squish" is needed for a given scenario. I definantly prefer a more direct feel. I had to dial the levers out from the bar a bit farther than I would like to find the sweet spot for lever throw. Additionally the rear brake pumps up with repeated squeezes but reverts to normal if you leave it alone for a couple seconds. Has anyone tried bleeding with any success?

    I'm about to pull the trigger on some SLX or XT brakes but I suppose I should give these a few more rides to make a final decision.

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    Why the heck Specialized went back to Formula brakes after the issues back in 2012 ? This makes no sense... Oh yeah,money,forgot about that....
    Why Because Sram brakes Suck!

    Formula brake are great and it's down to bad cycle Mechanic's that do not know how to work on them!

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    I've had the exact same experience with my Stumpy. And they are not even behaving the same. Front brake is super sensitive, almost digital and just wants to lock out. Rear brake works fine one minute and then on the next downhill there’s nothing when I pull it. It comes back when i pump the brake a bit.

    Just dropped it off at my LBS and they said they’ll try to send it back. The mechanic told me I’m not the only one complaining. Time for a recall Specialised?

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    Bleed the brakes

    Quote Originally Posted by dirk.leroux View Post
    I've had the exact same experience with my Stumpy. And they are not even behaving the same. Front brake is super sensitive, almost digital and just wants to lock out. Rear brake works fine one minute and then on the next downhill there’s nothing when I pull it. It comes back when i pump the brake a bit.

    Just dropped it off at my LBS and they said they’ll try to send it back. The mechanic told me I’m not the only one complaining. Time for a recall Specialised?
    Have you tried to bleed the brakes? If not, do it yourself or let your lbs to do it for you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by -Andy- View Post
    Have you tried to bleed the brakes? If not, do it yourself or let your lbs to do it for you.
    Ditto. The shop mechanic should bleed the brake for you before sending it back. If the same issue happens after a proper bleed, then it would probably be a warranty issue.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirk.leroux View Post
    Time for a recall Specialised?
    Based on a sampling of how many failures?

    Reminds me of the South Park episode in which they resorted to cannibalism after being snowed in for a few hours.

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    My Enduro came with the C1 brakes which failed on my first ride. Turns out the rear brake was leaking fluid,

    LBS did send in for warranty replacement; while that was happening I ordered XT brakes front and rear and couldn't be happier.

    I didn;t use my C1's past the first ride so I couldn't say good or bad but I do want confidence in my brakes and I have that 100% in my XT's ; this was not how I felt with the C1's.

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    Re: Formula C1 Brake issues on 2014 Stumpjumper FSR Comp 29er

    To those having squishiness problem with this brake... Have you tried the setup described here?
    http://youtu.be/Z-Sm2gXIjNE
    The Stumpjumper Comp and Evo are two of the possible upgrades I'm considering for this summer. But if it turns out the Formula brake is really bad, I will just get the Crave.
    What works for me may not work for you. What's best for you depends on many factors. We are different from each other.

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    Just had the same experience with my new stumpy evo. Rear c1 failed after 3 weeks riding. Found out that there is a bad batch of master cylinders. Waited 3 weeks for silverfish to repair and they came back in a worse state than previous. Specialized sent up a brand new set of levers and caliper that lasted 5 miles!!!!! I disagree with other members on this thread regarding mechanics not knowing how to bleed properly. Basically the product is crap, the backup is crap and specialized are the worst offender for speccing inferior product on an otherwise good product. They are solely responsible for this and should be accountable. They were five minutes away from having a bike handed back to them that was "unfit for purpose" and have only redeemed themselves by arranging to swap for Slx brakes

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    Sorry to hear about your guys continued problems.
    My brakes feel just slightly squishy so the levers come back further then I would like. I have been told by the bike shop they are difficult to bleed. However outside of that they have been good. They are very quite almost never make noise. Hopefully you are all able to get them sorted soon. I know bad brakes can really ruin the riding experiance

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    I've had no problems, they work flawlessly. Based on some of the reports here though, I'd replace the lines and all associated hardware and then do a bleed. Calipers and levers are pretty simple and "spongy" levers and levers that pull to the bar is indicative of one thing, air in the lines. Air gets in the lines because fluid gets out. As a shop mechanic, disc brakes are rather simple contraptions. They all work the same and while there are some small differences as to how they are bled, the concept is generally the same. Where you likely get the biggest issues are shops/mechs that do not use the proper bleed valves/adaptors, don't have a power-bleed set or a proper (big enough) bleed needle, basically short cuts. Although the concept is simple, it's probably one of the biggest dividing lines between "shops that know what they are doing" and ones that "like bicycles and selling stuff". That and fork rebuilds.
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    Just got my 2014 SJ HT Evo... stoked on the bike for the price, but....
    Front brake was wet around fitting for hose to lever body connection. Brake was crap and would go to grip.
    Will try bleeding tomorrow.
    This is not a "mechanic" issue.
    It is a QC issue.
    The more time your LBS mechanic has to spend trying to sort and solve the issue the more SBC has to credit the shop for time that shouldn't be needed to repair a new bike.
    Like mentioned above; this seems to be deja vu of the horrible Avid brakes.

    I'll report back after I attempt to bleed and assess why the fitting is leaking.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BikeSATORI View Post
    Just got my 2014 SJ HT Evo... stoked on the bike for the price, but....
    Front brake was wet around fitting for hose to lever body connection. Brake was crap and would go to grip.
    Will try bleeding tomorrow.
    This is not a "mechanic" issue.
    It is a QC issue.
    The more time your LBS mechanic has to spend trying to sort and solve the issue the more SBC has to credit the shop for time that shouldn't be needed to repair a new bike.
    Like mentioned above; this seems to be deja vu of the horrible Avid brakes.

    I'll report back after I attempt to bleed and assess why the fitting is leaking.
    You're better off saving your time and frustration and putting on a set of reliable XT brakes

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    Quote Originally Posted by oilnewby View Post
    You're better off saving your time and frustration and putting on a set of reliable XT brakes

    Eh, I gotta at least try, if not so much for the hope of them actually working as much as my own satisfaction and knowledge to try and figure out what is going on. If they don't work then they don't work, and at least that way I'll know from firsthand attempt.
    But that said, this is why I came on here before tearing into them tomorrow; just to see if anyone posting here has a solution or experience on exactly what SBC may do in the case that these are just lemons!
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    Had a Trek Rumblefish that came with stock Elixir 3 brakes, which I didn't like at all So I decided that my next bike won't have any Avid brakes!

    Before ordering my Enduro 29 I read a that the Formula C1 brakes are not powerful enough, especially not for a bike like the E29.

    So, the first thing I told my LBS as I ordered my E29 was: Shimano SLX (scond thing was X9 shifters...), and a few days later I stepped out of LBS door with E29 comp and SLX brakes on.

    Couldn't be happier with the SLX. Very very powerful brakes ( I only use one finger on the brake lever), very quiet, excellent modulation and easy set up.

    If you look at the new SJ 650b specs, you can see that the comp model has Shimano Deore M-615, while the expert model has Shimano XT's!

    I'm glad that Specialized finally did her homework, and maybe the 2015 Specialized line up (at least the FS bikes) would have only Shimano stock brakes...

    P.S.
    Regarding those of you that have issues with Avid or Formula brakes - I highly recommend you to throw them away and get yourself some new SLX or XT's instead
    I'm sure you can feel the difference right from your first ride, just like I did.

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    Bled my Formula C1 brakes using a recent Avid bleed kit.
    Went through them both twice.
    So far so good. Lever feel is positive and even between sides.
    HUGE improvement instantly over what they were brand new!!!

    Now just to see how long they will hold a bleed after I get some heat in them on some rides!
    I'll try to remember to post up an update.
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    The C1's on my Enduro have been the most inconsistent brakes I have ever ridden with. The front is super spongy and there is not much between fully open and locked up, and the back it depends on whether I have been using the brakes or not. On an extended technical downhill, the brakes build up pressure to the point of just touching them locks up the back, but when you let it go for a while, it loses all pressure and you have to really hammer on the lever to get some traction. have definitely been over the bars a couple times now purely because of the inconsistency on the pressure required to actually break. Hoping my LBS can sort this out today... (I know, get the breaks bled and see how they perform afterwards, but they were bled when I got the bike two months ago and this shouldn't be how they perform straight up - I didn't have a problem with my Avid Elixer RSL's in two years... now straight out of the box!)

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    Brakes are not in my opinion a "Like to have" product. I had problems on my first ride and them immediately ordered XT brakes front and rear.

    Going down hill with my 200lb butt and the 30lb bike at 25 MPH on dirt is no time to say "I hope my brakes work"
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    I'm surprised how many people are going for new brakes so soon straight out of pocket and not pushing Specialized/LBS for a credit!!??

    That is what I'm wondering about. If mine fail again I am seeking that route.
    I already have XT's/SLX's/Hopes/avids all that I can put on this bike, but why should I have to at this level of a bike and already spending money? I went this box bike route (which I typically avoid in favor of custom) seeking support, consistency, and reliabilty for a workhorse bike!
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    Quote Originally Posted by BikeSATORI View Post
    I'm surprised how many people are going for new brakes so soon straight out of pocket and not pushing Specialized/LBS for a credit!!??

    That is what I'm wondering about. If mine fail again I am seeking that route.
    I already have XT's/SLX's/Hopes/avids all that I can put on this bike, but why should I have to at this level of a bike and already spending money? I went this box bike route (which I typically avoid in favor of custom) seeking support, consistency, and reliabilty for a workhorse bike!
    I agree; but I don't think you will receive a credit but will get a replacement like I did. They sent mine in for warranty replacement and yes Specialized did send me new ones but that took 2 weeks.

    I am impatient and do not want to hang up the bike for 2 weeks while I wait.

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    called my lbs and they didn't want to credit me or want to give me a price discount and actually i found that they wanted to overcharge me for a set of slx brakes front and back. Was very disappointed as i would have spent money if they worked with me a little. Found a bike shop close to me that doesn't deal with specialized but gave me a great deal on shimano slx brakes and i just ordered them. will be here friday or monday. Very sad that the shop i got my bike from didn't want to throw me any bit of a deal

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    My Formula C1 brakes is still working great. I'm close to 1000 km and haven't got any issues so far.

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    I have 45 miles and i've had them bleed twice and i have bleed them and the lever feel just isnt there. my avid elixir 5's i bleed every year and they feel awesome. these formulas i have been having problems since day one. I won't want them to be replaced with the same formulas. I was gonna swap the brakes off my santa cruz but my fiance rides that and i have the brakes dialed in perfectly on it. I know ill be much happier with the shimano slx brakes. and ill sell the formulas for whatever i can get for them. I love my stumpjumper. After i got the new rear wheel the brakes are the only thing that i am unhappy with.

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    The internet is your friend when buying bike parts such as new brakes

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    Formula C1 Brake issues on 2014 Stumpjumper FSR Comp 29er

    Yes it usually is. But I don't mind paying a little extra to buy local. And I got a good price on it

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    agree 100% but unfortunately in my experience my LBS's seem to be about double the price on parts. I want to support my locals shops but not at such a premium.

    Brick and mortars get beat up everyday with the internet; if they were just more in line I would be more than happy to do everything through my LBS.

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    yeah i called all the local bike shops for pricing and the lbs i bought my brakes from i have never been to even though its 10 minutes from my work. A few shops i called wanted alot of money for the shimanos. some even were trying to charge me more than msrp. I called one shop and they said they needed to see the bike. before pricing me on it. Even though they are a specialized dealer and i have a brand new 2014 stumpjumper comp.. They didn't even want to go look at there model on the floor to price me up.. It's hard to find a reputable lbs.

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    I have a 2014 Camber Evo and am having same issues with Formula c1 brakes. Horrible fog horn noise on back brake with a ton of vibration. I had LBS bleed front brake before first ride and it seems fine. But back is unusable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Neowind712 View Post
    I have a 2014 Camber Evo and am having same issues with Formula c1 brakes. Horrible fog horn noise on back brake with a ton of vibration. I had LBS bleed front brake before first ride and it seems fine. But back is unusable.
    I had the same issue on my stumpy evo with the formula brakes. The fix was removing the screw that held the rear brake cable to the inside of the rear triangle. Not sure if the camber has the same design but it sounds like the same problem

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    Thanks for the info. I will check that. My LBS put some brake quite stuff on it and the noise is gone but the brakes don't stop worth a crap with that stuff on them.

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    I posted this in the 29er forum but someone replied with a link to this thread which is exactly where it belongs. Any help is appreciated! Thanks!

    2014 Stumpjumper Comp HT

    So I've been having issues with my front brake since I purchased the bike on 3/17. I took it in the first time and they said they fixed it. Happened again right away and took it in the second time and they told me they would need to have Formula authorize front brake pad warranty replacement which they did. It still makes a very annoying noise and now the front end shakes and vibrates when actuating the front brake. I went in again, third time and explained the issue. They checked the bike in and said they would need to contact specialized. Now they are telling me that specialized is going to send shimano deore brakes to replace the formula c1 brakes at no charge. Is that a downgrade? When they say they will replace the brakes do they mean only the front since that is the issue or both front and rear? I don't wanna have 2 different sets of brakes. What brakes are comparable in price/quality with the formula c1 that are on the bike now? Thanks in advance for your help! I really appreciate it!


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    Formula C1 Brake issues on 2014 Stumpjumper FSR Comp 29er

    They will most likely give you a full set front and back. No the shimano deore brakes are good. Still use the servo system as the slx and up brakes. Only difference is they don't have ice tech pads and it doesn't have reach adjustment like the slx system.

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    Formula C1 Brake issues on 2014 Stumpjumper FSR Comp 29er

    Problem was never the pads Idk why they replaced them. But good that they are stepping up to the plate. I threw my formulas in the dumpster after bringing them back to my lbs and complaining 2 times and them not discounting me a set of slx brakes and I ended up buying them from another lbs

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    Just a quick update on my C1's; now have a lot more ride time and over 200 singletrack miles on them and they are both inconsistently giving off the odd resonance and vibrating with "fog horn noise". This is in dry conditions.
    Front is also on bleed #2.
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    Have C1's on my 2014 SJ HT carbon comp. So far no problems. They are sometimes loud, but I just live with it.

    Probably will go with Xt's down the road.

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    Same problem

    Having the same issue after the 4th ride on this exact bike. Will take back to lbs armed with all of the replies to this post. Thank you. Will let you know what they say

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    Has anyone here contacted Formula directly to see what they have to say without going through your shop?

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    I have had my 2014 FSR Comp Evo 29 for several months... the back brake has had noise and severe vibration issues on and off since day one (it brays like a donkey on heat). The only good thing is that it is so bad that I am far more conscious of staying off the brakes!....
    SOLUTION: My local Specialized concept store has now confirmed to me that the issue is related to pad movement within the caliper ... solution ... replace with Shimanos (or Avids if you prefer) ... nice one Specialized - that's good customer service (although puzzled why it has taken them so long to admit the issue).

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    Is it enough to just change the pads? I have to same problem with my SJ :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by rularn View Post
    Is it enough to just change the pads? I have to same problem with my SJ :/
    @rularn..... No apparently not... Issue is with the calliper ...which is why the 2015 model switches to shimano. Suggest going to lbs or concept store and politely ask them to request a brake swap with specialized customer service.

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    I've had my SJ EVO for less than a week and ditched the Formula brakes already. With everything I read on them on this forum, I ordered XT brakes at the same time I bought the bike. Had a good deal at JensonUSA - $97 each, LBS cost was $125 each so he told me to get them online (and he'd order some as well!). Keep in mind that you will need a new pair of sram shifter rings to hold your shifters as they can't be bolted on the shimano brakes as they did on the Formula.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kabob King View Post
    I had the same issue on my stumpy evo with the formula brakes. The fix was removing the screw that held the rear brake cable to the inside of the rear triangle. Not sure if the camber has the same design but it sounds like the same problem
    Unhooking the hose from the plastic piece that secures it to the seatstay worked for me (Camber EVO).
    Rear brake feels a little inconsistent but vibration and noise are gone.

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    I had the same problem and my fix was to tighten the rear axle, the sound and vibration disappeared!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ntha View Post
    Unhooking the hose from the plastic piece that secures it to the seatstay worked for me (Camber EVO).
    Rear brake feels a little inconsistent but vibration and noise are gone.

    Had exactly the same experience on my new Camber Evo. Horrendous vibration from rear brake, making it almost unusable. Disconnected seatstay clip and problem solved. Is a pleasure to finally use the bike as intended. Practiced some rear-wheel steering today. Still a hint of vibration persists, but doesnt affect performance.

    Thanks for the forum suggestion. But I must say, this is my first proper expensive full suss bike, and am slightly shocked that specialized can release a bike with such a serious problem, leaving me to arse around on the internet for the solution. Clearly they are aware of it.

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