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    The Enduro SL Thread!

    This will be the dedicated Enduro SL Thread. Go ahead... post your pics, test rides, and impressions.

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    Brown Large Enduro SL

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    30.55 lb (no pedals)
    Love everything about it, cannot wait to take it on its first real ride this weekend. I have not been this excited about a bike in a very long time.

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    sweet reflectors!

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    Those things were a beotch to get off, they make them tamper proof now a days. Had to usemy biggest flat head screwdriver
    but I am having trouble trying to figure out how to mount the kickstand.

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    Sweet bikes, can't wait for the feedback. Makes me wonder if I should've waited before pulling the trigger on my 07 Stump FSR Expert. The orange and poop brown both look sweet. Best luck with your new rides and let us know how they perform. Did either of you swap cassettes? I did that on the stump and that put a major dent in the weight. The stock cassette is like an anchor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHSAD
    Sweet bikes, can't wait for the feedback. Makes me wonder if I should've waited before pulling the trigger on my 07 Stump FSR Expert. The orange and poop brown both look sweet. Best luck with your new rides and let us know how they perform. Did either of you swap cassettes? I did that on the stump and that put a major dent in the weight. The stock cassette is like an anchor.
    I have an XTR cassette in that toolbox. I will throw it on when i get a chance.

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    That's awesome. I got a cheap deal on a sram 990 so I threw that on the stump. It made a pretty big difference. I never fully realized the diff. in weight simple cassette can make until I went from a deore to an xt on my last stump fsr. I keep drooling over these enduro's

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    Wow..really sweet rides.. I hope you get a chance to put them through their paces and report back...

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    I cant wait, i will be part of this thread tomorrow.........SL Pro
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    I'll be here soon I hope, Well done Jut8 I'll have a few questions to ask you in a few days.

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    Jut 8 you are crazy! Post a pic as soon as you get it home. Are you selling your SX? I can't wait to ride one of these.

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    Me likey!! Give us an update when you guys get it through it's paces.

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    which FRAME SIZE did you choose

    I`m 5' 11" height and 33" inseam?
    specialized and my LBS told me to choose "L"

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    Quote Originally Posted by playbike
    which FRAME SIZE did you choose

    I`m 5' 11" height and 33" inseam?
    specialized and my LBS told me to choose "L"
    That sounds about right.. I am 5'11" and have a 32" inseam and all L Spec bikes I have ridden fit me great...

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    Quote Originally Posted by playbike
    which FRAME SIZE did you choose

    I`m 5' 11" height and 33" inseam?
    specialized and my LBS told me to choose "L"
    you need a Large.
    I am 5'11' and my pants and the large feels perfect on me. My epic was a L and it fit great too.

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    I am 5'10 with a 30.5 inch inseam. Size Medium.

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    Ok, here they are!

    Ok, here a my pics to add to the party!

    I got a Pro in a medium, I am 5'10" with a 32" inseam, i ride a large epic, but the medium seemed to fit me better than the large in this case. Here are the pics:
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    Quote Originally Posted by jut8
    Ok, here a my pics to add to the party!

    I got a Pro in a medium, I am 5'10" with a 32" inseam, i ride a large epic, but the medium seemed to fit me better than the large in this case. Here are the pics:
    Wow!

    It looks sweet indeed!

    Yet another beauty to that sweet stable of yours!

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    Yeah, i had to have it, i sold my SX Trail frame to get the funds.....Im gonna miss that bike, but i know i am going to love this one! I am selling the rest of the parts from the SX trail on eBay as we speak....the bike hasent made to my house yet, but i gave enough to the shop owner that he said i can call it mine. All my eBay stuff should end on sunday....then its on my way to take it home! Too bad we have snow here......I guess a trip up to Rays will be in order!
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    Nice one! Don't forget to add it in your signature

    We're curious to hear some ride reports.

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    That bike rocks! Can't wait for the report. You need to update your list of bikes at the bottom of your posts. Since I got the new stumpy an enduro isn't going to happen. Have to settle on the some new carbob pro shoes....

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    Quote Originally Posted by jut8
    Yeah, i had to have it, i sold my SX Trail frame to get the funds.....Im gonna miss that bike, but i know i am going to love this one! I am selling the rest of the parts from the SX trail on eBay as we speak....the bike hasent made to my house yet, but i gave enough to the shop owner that he said i can call it mine. All my eBay stuff should end on sunday....then its on my way to take it home! Too bad we have snow here......I guess a trip up to Rays will be in order!

    I saw some of your posts about your SX Jut. It seemed like you loved that thing. I'm surprised you let her go out of all the other bikes you have.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Corvette
    Nice one! Don't forget to add it in your signature

    We're curious to hear some ride reports.
    I just added it.......i was limited to 250 characters, so i had to drop a few off the list
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    We just got one in today. It was a large and weighed in at 30.8 with plastic platforms. Im 6 1 with a 31 inch inseam and the large felt good. The only concern is stem length for me, it felt longer than I'd like it to. I really like the cable routing and the front derailer on that bike.
    Ride report from the field is if you want a stump jumper this is no reason not to buy the SL. Thats coming from a coworker who rides an Epic, he took it (the sl) on a four hour ride at SBCU. The fork is solid, a prototype non-sbi branded (x-fusion?) was in town last year, and we tested it for more than it was ever intended.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jut8
    ... I am selling the rest of the parts from the SX trail on eBay as we speak...
    Hey Jut8, you had the '07 SX trail III right? Do you still have that brown Enduro seat? If so, I'll take that off your hands. When I saw it on an '07 SX trail III at the LBS, I wanted to order one for my ti project but specialized told them it wasn't available for sale yet and don't have any plan to. If you have those brown color grips, I'll take those also. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jut8
    Yeah, i had to have it, i sold my SX Trail frame to get the funds.....Im gonna miss that bike, but i know i am going to love this one! I am selling the rest of the parts from the SX trail on eBay as we speak....the bike hasent made to my house yet, but i gave enough to the shop owner that he said i can call it mine. All my eBay stuff should end on sunday....then its on my way to take it home! Too bad we have snow here......I guess a trip up to Rays will be in order!
    Well... you gotta make room in the stable, right?

    It looks like an awesome ride..please do report back...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jut8
    Yeah, i had to have it, i sold my SX Trail frame to get the funds.....Im gonna miss that bike, but i know i am going to love this one! I am selling the rest of the parts from the SX trail on eBay as we speak....the bike hasent made to my house yet, but i gave enough to the shop owner that he said i can call it mine. All my eBay stuff should end on sunday....then its on my way to take it home! Too bad we have snow here......I guess a trip up to Rays will be in order!
    YOU SOLD THE SXT?!

    how could you...

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    I'll be interested to hear how the DT 4.2Drims hold up as well. Considering a pair of these as a future purchase...

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    hardguy, the new p1 has a brown saddle and matching grips. Those might also be what you're talking about... Now you can broaden your search

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    Thanks Steve. That's what the LBS told me also but the brown saddle only came with those models of bikes and not sold as accessories separately. I guess I'll just have to keep looking on ebay.

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    yeah, sorry about the saddle, i bought the blue SXT Frame and built it up....i didnt have a brown one
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    Jut8, what are you going to swap out on the SL? Seems like it has it all...the martas are sick.

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    For mine I've got a lighter saddle and C/F bar and new tyres, going to save about 1/3 - 1/2 lb max.

    Had thought about an xtr cassette, but saving money now.

    Still thinking of a Deus chainset, or if anywone has pictures of an XT chainset with middleburn/race face rings on let me see em.
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    Jut8 I accidentally drooled on your bike today!!! Great bike! Glad I stopped down now Im thinking a large but w the shortest stem instead of the medium. To bad the weather sux no way was the owner lettin me run that thing outside, but I had to ask (not yours the large orange expert) Cant wait to see how well it climbs! going to Rays today if your bored.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rokhound
    Jut8 I accidentally drooled on your bike today!!! Great bike! Glad I stopped down now Im thinking a large now but w the shortest stem instead of the medium. To bad the weather sux no way was the owner lettin me run that thing outside, but I had to ask (not yours the large orange expert) Cant wait to see how well it climbs! going to Rays today if your bored.

    LOL! I cant wait to pick that thing up. I am hoping the paypal fund clear on monday, but with my luck they wont clear until tuesday or wednesday.....i was thinking of going to rays on sunday.......i could care less about the super bowl.
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    Im still up 4 going to Rays, are you heading out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by CHSAD
    Jut8, what are you going to swap out on the SL? Seems like it has it all...the martas are sick.

    I am not sure yet, i have a couple of things in mind that i am thinking about. But i am going to ride it stock first. I am going to add my candy pedals to it (maybe a new pair of candy ti's might be in order) But i am trying to decide about whether to keep the crank a triple, or drop the big ring and put a bash guard on there......i can tell you how many times that bash guard saved me.....i guess i could get one of those big ring bash guards too, i am not sure yet. The bike is light enough to be able to use the big ring for sure, so i am torn. When ever the weather gets out of the single digits here, ill be able to ride it and decide. I know on my SXT the bike really benefited from a the blackspire stinger chain tensioner.....it took away alot of chain slop, i dont know if this would benefit from one also if i went to the double, only time will tell i guess.

    I love the martas, but i would like to find a place that sells the carbon lever blades for the martas, i love them on my epic, on the cold days, they dont make you fingers and joints ache because they dont get nearly as cold as the alloy ones do. So i guess the bash guard and carbon lever blades will be my possible upgrades.......oh yeah, i am going to put my specialized derailleur guard on to protect that lovely XO in the rear
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    Quote Originally Posted by jut8
    Yeah, i had to have it, i sold my SX Trail frame to get the funds.....Im gonna miss that bike, but i know i am going to love this one! I am selling the rest of the parts from the SX trail on eBay as we speak....the bike hasent made to my house yet, but i gave enough to the shop owner that he said i can call it mine. All my eBay stuff should end on sunday....then its on my way to take it home! Too bad we have snow here......I guess a trip up to Rays will be in order!
    Wow... very suprised you sold that SXT. How long did you have it? You couldn't have had it that long if its a 007. Im gettin pretty interested in the SL right now. Im swayin between Prophet and this.
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    Ever slip a pedal and slam into the seat? That little thing would disappear until I later got to the ER.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jut8
    Yeah, i had to have it, i sold my SX Trail frame to get the funds.....Im gonna miss that bike, but i know i am going to love this one! I am selling the rest of the parts from the SX trail on eBay as we speak....the bike hasent made to my house yet, but i gave enough to the shop owner that he said i can call it mine. All my eBay stuff should end on sunday....then its on my way to take it home! Too bad we have snow here......I guess a trip up to Rays will be in order!
    Wow... very suprised you sold that SXT. How long did you have it? You couldn't have had it that long if its a 007. Im gettin pretty interested in the SL right now. Im swayin between Prophet and this.
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    Ever slip a pedal and slam into the seat? That little thing would disappear until I later got to the ER.

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    Hey All,

    Just picked mine Enduro SL up on Saturday and got to ride it today at Water Dog in San Carlos, CA. It is completely stock.

    You all have given me a lot of info so I figured it is time for me to kick down some of my own.

    First...It is very nice. Here are the details as I see them...

    Background: I have been riding on a '03 Trek Fuel 90 for the last year or so. Stock except it had '05 front and rear frame because I broke both parts on separate occasions no crashing involved. Also replaced the manitou shock (which I liked because it was lightweight and stiff) with a Marz MX Comp ETA.

    The SL is the most beautiful bike I have ever laid my eyes on. It seems like most of you agree but some dissagree vehemently. For the latter (and the former too) you are free to disagree with this and whatever else you want to.

    Reason for purchase: Rode my friends Nomad one too many times and fell in love. Nearly bought a Nomad but then the SL came out and I read enough about it that I thought it was worth a try. I figured that if I bought a Nomad I wouldn't learn aything about this bike for a long time (no demos and few owners) and if I didn't like it it would be easy to unload.

    First Impression: I had been a bit tentative about brown an intrigued by orange, but once I saw WILLSHUMAN's pics I knew brown was the right choice. Once I saw mine I knew that there was no other color to get. Specialized has done an amazing job at total integration and shamelessly copied the nomad but executed better.....Gorgeous.

    But lest I make it sound like looks are more important than performance lets get on to the important stuff.. How does it ride?

    Top tube and stem length: Riding around in the parking lot I was worried that it was too small. I am 6'1" and change and I tend ride with a longer than average stem. I favor uphill efficiency so I like to be pretty stretched out and with my seat on the high side. I have ridden the Nomad which felt awesome (especially with a "no compromises" Gravity Dropper), a 2006 Enduro which was very nice and fit well but was a bit divey no matter how I adjusted the fork(same fork as the Nomad...more dive), and a Stumpy Pro, which was just plain too small and I didn't like the brain especially on rocky uphills (manzanita at skeggs is incredibly painful on a brain). After riding for 2 and a half hours I would have liked a slightly longer stem for climbing and I will talk to the dealer to see if I can try out the longer one.

    Double crown steering limit: I was also very concerned about the double crown fork and its steering limits. In the parking lot I could steer to lock without much trouble. Yikes! After the ride my fears vanished. Water dog has some really tight switchbacks (bottom of the "no parking"? trail). I went up twice trying to hit the limit on each turn and never did. Phew!

    Mud Clearance: I really don't see this as an issue. When you go through sticky mud it collects on your tires until the frame doesn't let it any more. If your frame is closer to the tire and slices the mud off sooner I see this as a good thing (This theory is yet to be tested though). This bike ships with some pretty monster tires which fit fine. If they were really smart they would have made the arch support on the chainstays match the arch on the fork and called it a feature (which it is) and made it point of aesthetic symmetry.

    Fork: Plush...very plush. I am used to a 4" fork so 6" might take a little getting used to. I started with just under 100psi (i weigh 185 + 10 lbs of gear in camelback, shoes and stuff). My ride starts from home up a very steep street. My first sensation was about 1in of very free travel bob from the fork even under pretty smooth seated pedaling. This was with the "attitude" set for climbing and compressed. I maxed out rebound, then maxed out compression. Finally I had to put about 15psi more into it to get it to mellow out(I was able to back off the damping without bringing the bob back). Now it is very nice. Soaks it all up without too much dive. Standing still bobs quite a bit. I don't stand while climbing much but this could be a problem when I am trying to accelerate to step up the speed going uphill (bad time to lose efficiency) It will still take awhile to get used to preloading 6" of travel for those bunnyhops, obstacles and jumps.

    Shock: Awesome. NO bob. NO pedal induced extension. My only gripes are noise related: 1. A pitiful sounding sigh from the sock on quick hits when propedal is FIRM. 2. A disturbing sharp creak when I reach the top of something really steep (at first I thought a rock was spit out of the tire and hit the frame, but it happened at the top of nearly every steep hill). 3.The whole back end is a bit clankier I would have expected. Chain slap, and rotor ringing (I have never been too fond of the big rotors) are more significant than I would like. The steep stuff at Water Dog is pretty bumpy so you should proably take that into account. I think that skeggs would be less of an issue. Even so. This is supposed to be the best all mountain bike ever right?

    Geometry: I was a bit surprised to find how cross country the geometry felt. I had the rear shock in the "low" position with the fork at ful travel most of the time. It didn't feel as slack as the Nomad. The specs indicate that it should be the same as a Nomad with these settings but it did not seem to command the trail as much as I remember the nomad doing. Seeing that there is plenty of adjustment to make the bike even more steep I would have pushed the head angle out as much as a degree and made the "attitude" lock out 2cm more of the travel so you could go from 66 up to 70 instead of 67 to 70. Maybe I just misunderstood the spec sheet or I am misinterpreting the effects of the geometry. Waterdog has no long downhills without tons of rocks. "Car Top" trail was sweet but short. I can't wait to go to Skeggs, Santa Cruz and Downieville. I will enjoy and report when my friends and I get to test this and the nomad head to head.

    Climbing: Once I got the fork reasonably dialed I was stoked by the climbing. I felt every bit as efficient as on my Fuel, better than on the Nomad or Enduro and way better than the (too small) stumpy (with the brain that I personally couldn't get used to. With the Shock in climbing attitude this thing feels as steep as Blur. I can only imagine what happens when you put the shock in the "high" position. I'll certainly find out soon though.

    Overall: Climbs very well (even at 31 lbs). Soaks up lots of rocks. Feels very solid and grippy on the decents. Amazing bike that I am looking forward to getting to know and ride for a long time.

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    I want to know how well this thing is going to handle drops and jumps over the 5' mark and up to 8' for normal everyday use
    Anyone heard or tried it? mmmdoggy you compared it to a nomad, do you think it has the strength of one because I know they can handle bigger drops.

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    I from time to time, going to transitions you would be ok.....from my understanding this is an "All Mountian" bike........if you are doing 5-8' drops on a daily basis, it sounds like you want a freeride bike. Have you considered a regular enduro or an SX trail? that might be more up you alley.....a bit more stout and FR oriented. I loved my SX trail, and with the build, i had it at 31lbs, that is super light for a 6.6" coil travel bike. I have heard of people getting right around 30 with regular enduros using the dhx 5.0 air shock, and they could handle what you are looking for. After seeing what Bearclaw did with his SX Trail in roam......I dont think anyone on this forum would be able to ride over its capablities.

    But again, if 8' drops are normal riding for you, and then you decided to get crazy every now and again and go bigger......why not a demo?
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    -6 degrees here today ....school got canceled. I am going down to the shop today to put more $$ on my SL, the rest of the $$ should clear from paypal this week hopefully. Although, i not end up with the Pro........a deal on a Carbon Pro may be in works, i guess we will see.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jut8
    I from time to time, going to transitions you would be ok.....from my understanding this is an "All Mountian" bike........if you are doing 5-8' drops on a daily basis, it sounds like you want a freeride bike. Have you considered a regular enduro or an SX trail? that might be more up you alley.....a bit more stout and FR oriented. I loved my SX trail, and with the build, i had it at 31lbs, that is super light for a 6.6" coil travel bike. I have heard of people getting right around 30 with regular enduros using the dhx 5.0 air shock, and they could handle what you are looking for. After seeing what Bearclaw did with his SX Trail in roam......I dont think anyone on this forum would be able to ride over its capablities.

    But again, if 8' drops are normal riding for you, and then you decided to get crazy every now and again and go bigger......why not a demo?

    I have a Santa Cruz VP Free, it has 8.5" and 7" And its more bike than I want to throw around on the trail. I'm not diggin the looks of the sx trail. The Nomad might be a better fit but its around $5000-$6000 new and $2000-$3500 used. I also miss climbing like a bat outa hell, but still want to destroy it going back down !!! Right now I'm thinking if I snap it, I snap it ! If it doesn't hold up then I'll warranty it and sell the new one when I get it and go for a slightly bigger bike. Another problem is my LBS can only get the brown and I love the Orange, Price difference if I get it from your LBS would be $3-$400. Kinda hard to justify just for paint. Damn I wish this thing came w a coil! I would have already put $ on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rokhound
    I have a Santa Cruz VP Free, it has 8.5" and 7" And its more bike than I want to throw around on the trail. I'm not diggin the looks of the sx trail. The Nomad might be a better fit but its around $5000-$6000 new and $2000-$3500 used. I also miss climbing like a bat outa hell, but still want to destroy it going back down !!! Right now I'm thinking if I snap it, I snap it ! If it doesn't hold up then I'll warranty it and sell the new one when I get it and go for a slightly bigger bike. Another problem is my LBS can only get the brown and I love the Orange, Price difference if I get it from your LBS would be $3-$400. Kinda hard to justify just for paint. Damn I wish this thing came w a coil! I would have already put $ on it.
    Difficult one but I wouldnt pay extra just for the diference in color. Possible 11 days and + for the bikes into the UK...

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    warranty and downhill setup for SL

    "Right now I'm thinking if I snap it, I snap it ! If it doesn't hold up then I'll warranty it and sell the new one when I get it and go for a slightly bigger bike. "

    My thoughts exactly. The guys who design these bikes know what they are doing and they value reputation. As long as you don't bottom out the shocks hard it should hold up. If it doesn't they should replace it or face the wrath of negative publicity.

    Also, based on my one ride I would warn others that this isn't a downhill bike. Maybe you can get a lot more out of it than I feel like I can but putting a coil shock seems like pushing this bike into the wrong role. After looking at the seat tube angle again the pieces of the puzzle snap into place. The SL has a 72 minimum, 2 deg steeper than the nomad. As you put the seat up higher it pushes you farther foward than the Nomad (not as big an issue with lowered seat for decents).

    It does look a hell of a lot better than most downhill bikes (and the double crown fork screams downhill) so I can't blame anyone for trying to push it into the role. As I said before, I would have prefered that they shift it for a bit slacker geometry.

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    Congrats on the bike Dave

    Quote Originally Posted by mmmdoggy
    "Right now I'm thinking if I snap it, I snap it ! If it doesn't hold up then I'll warranty it and sell the new one when I get it and go for a slightly bigger bike. "
    You might break it the way you ride, but you might break ANY bike you ride. I think the comparison to the Nomad is fair. I would definitely put the SL in more of a cross country/ trailbike category and the Nomad in a trailbike/ freeride category that you can ride cross country. Nomad could take a bigger pounding and more abuse but for trail riding doing normal stunts and maneuvers they both excel. But you could race XC with SL if you wanted
    That ish is light

    *to whom it may concern. I have a Nomad and rode the SL at interbike. Along with the Slayer XC the Titus El Guapo, Turner RFX, and the Giant Reign. The three that stood out above all (BY FAR) was the Rocky Mtn, the Big S and the Big SC. The rest were mediocre wannabees*
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    I'll have a better idea tomorrow the spesh rep will be at my LBS, so I'll hammer him w ?'s and go from there. If he can get me the Orange I'll be putting $ down, if just the brown I may wait and see if a better deal comes up.

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    I agree, i love that orange.......i like it better than the red of the pro. My 06 S-Works Stumpy FSR was that color brown, and i hated it.

    Every now and again i get temped to just buy the orange one because i love the color so much, and throw some upgrades to it. If i did do that, the avid brakes would be fine, i would upgrade the seatpost, rear cassette, and rear wheel on it. I would consider going XO on the shifters, but i here the 07 X.9's are just as good as last years XO's, so i would probably keep them.

    Does anyone know for sure what the difference in the forks are? The Pro has an SL fork, and the Expert has a regular fork. I know the SL fork has Ti hardware, and the shop mechanic says hes not sure, but he thinks there is a Ti spring in it also. Anyone know for sure?

    I believe the orange color was only given to dealers that offer the "FSR Test Center" because the orange was supposed to be the demo color, but because they were so high demand, they dropped the demo program on them for now....atleast that is what i was told.
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    I've been offered a Deus chainset upgrade for the XT chainset for $240, Does that seem a good bargain? I normally have issues with chainsuck with the xt rings in the past on other bikes. Anybody can find out for me what's the chainline for the new ednuro sl?

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    Quote Originally Posted by compression


    30.55 lb (no pedals)
    Love everything about it, cannot wait to take it on its first real ride this weekend. I have not been this excited about a bike in a very long time.

    Did you add that Thomson seat post to yours?
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    Well, why don't you call one of the Mikes for fork difference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jut8
    Did you add that Thomson seat post to yours?
    yeah I did. bought on close-out a few months ago. Also added an XTR Cassette, which lightened up the rear quite a bit.

    After my first real ride(s) this last weekend, two rides, each about 12-15 miles. I must say I am very pleased with the bike. I am beginning to learn when to change the F/R shock settings for the terrain, and it really makes a difference. i got really good at pushing it up hills!
    On the descents, I am normally the same speed as my buddy, on this bike, I was passing him and putting a gap on him. granted he is riding a Ti hardtail, but this is a good improvement over my former bike ('03 Epic).

    The conditions were wet and muddy. Mud clearance was never an issue with the front fork brace. I didnt even think twice about it. I did a race last fall that took us through the worst mud I have ever experienced. Mud caked my bike everywhere, the wheels would not turn, the brakes didnt work, and the drivetrain didnt work. I, and everyone else, had to bathe my bike at every stream crossing. It was hell. That is the only time I have ever experienced mud clearance issues. For the E150 fork, I say dont worry about it. If you are getting mud jammed in there and your front wheel wont turn, then I say call it a day because conditions have to be pretty bad!

    The only gripe I had is the seat quick release lever. I like to lower my saddle for technical descents. At some point in the second ride, the lever became really hard to open and close and made a horrible creaking sound. I drenched it with water to clean it out, but that didnt help. so I ended up using my allen wrench and tightening/loosening the bolt instead of using the lever.
    So far so good.

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    i just left a message for him.
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    Ok Mick just emailed me back, here is what he said about the fork, i may answer alot of questions people had about it:

    Hi Justin,



    Actually, all of the forks on the MY07 Enduros are the same. There was a Ti version that was originally slated for the S-works model, but we pulled that one back. Basically, the only difference was ti bolts all around.

    In an earlier e-mail you had asked about the brace. Your thinking is correct; the bigger the space the bigger the obstacle that can get lodged. We have had that mag lower in field testing around the world over the past year without any issues regarding tire clearance. In the mud, the blade like shape of the brace does a great job cutting the mud from the tire (if it’s really tacky) but does not allow for build up. We were riding three weeks ago in the mud and the Fox 36 held more mud in the brace area than ours; but neither fork had an issue because of this. Generally, when the conditions are this bad, the mud build-up on the swing arm/ front derailleur becomes the problem (as it was when we rode). The benefit of the low profile, in-line brace is very high torsional stiffness that is a noticeable improvement to the steering precision especially over the technical terrain.


    Also, did you get a chance to check-out the Jeff Ward Motocross Files on Speed channel a few weeks back? It will come back around again if you missed it.



    Talk to you soon,



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    Shock Problems

    Is anyone noticing a bottom-out or top-out type clunk from the rear shock when riding over hard edged ruts...groves...rock gardens? I am noticing a very unpleasant clunk that resonates throughout the bike when I ride through/over hard edged rock gardens, ruts or groves. I get the feeling that the spike valve is opening to articulate the obstacles (as it should), but that it almost gets to supple and tops out and or bottoms out. Does anyone else feel and or hear this? Also, I have extensively tested the air pressure, sag, rebound and compression and have not been able to get rid of the sound and feel of this clunk.

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    Well I did it. . . . Just had the LBS order one up, Large Orange ! w the shortest stem they could get!
    Man I hope I dont tear this in two! Rest assured Im gonna give it hell and I'll post up just how big you can go before she blows !!!

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    congrats! when are we gonna see it appear at rays?
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    Quote Originally Posted by catnash
    I've been offered a Deus chainset upgrade for the XT chainset for $240, Does that seem a good bargain? I normally have issues with chainsuck with the xt rings in the past on other bikes. Anybody can find out for me what's the chainline for the new ednuro sl?
    You can usually pick up the deus for about that price online. I got mine for 220 a year ago. I like mine, but I wouldn't consider it much of an upgrade, about same quality, maybe a little lighter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Whambat
    You can usually pick up the deus for about that price online. I got mine for 220 a year ago. I like mine, but I wouldn't consider it much of an upgrade, about same quality, maybe a little lighter.
    The only issue I have with the XT crankset is chainsuck. Previous older versiuns caused me grief. I might just see how they go as it's cheaper to buy replacemnent rings. Stiil no word on when they're hitting UK shores.

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    The same wk end I get it !

    (work permitting)

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    Well i picked my enduro SL tonight.........I didnt get the Pro though. I probably didnt make the the most economical decision, but i loved the color of the orange expert so much that i bought it. I figured i can always change components to upgrade it to the Pro status. So that is what did. I got the SL Expert, i already able to shed some weight off of her by putting my PG-990 cassette on, also swapped over to the Rival Ti saddle, and put a mavic skewer on the rear wheel dropping some weight. I have on order some XO shifters, a new thomson seat post, and some candy ti pedals. I am deciding whether or not i should put the Juicy 7's for sale on ebay and upgrade to marta's, or if i should just keep them. I am also looking to get a set of UST wheels for it, i am guessing i will just have to get the hoops and build the wheels for the front hub....any suggestions, i was thinking mavic 819's or getting the hoops that come on the Pro(but they are not UST)

    Anywho, here are some pics:
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    I would get the Stans NO Tubes and run tubless. Get the wider rim of the 2 he offers. I have been using these for about 9 months and have no issues. http://www.notubes.com/

    I have the ZTR 355 on my enduro. No Flats in 9 months Nnock on wood!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by willshuman
    Is anyone noticing a bottom-out or top-out type clunk from the rear shock when riding over hard edged ruts...groves...rock gardens? I am noticing a very unpleasant clunk that resonates throughout the bike when I ride through/over hard edged rock gardens, ruts or groves. I get the feeling that the spike valve is opening to articulate the obstacles (as it should), but that it almost gets to supple and tops out and or bottoms out. Does anyone else feel and or hear this? Also, I have extensively tested the air pressure, sag, rebound and compression and have not been able to get rid of the sound and feel of this clunk.


    I have one of these SLs on order from The Path where i think you got yours. Ive read articals and heard from shop owners that strange noises are known in both the front and rear (shock/fork). Ive also been assured that Specialized is going to do whatever it takes to push there propietary suspension goods into the market place which includes a full swap-out of what ever component the customer is haveing trouble with.

    Have you spoke with Taune about this ?

    A full ride report would be appreciated by all as well.

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    another vote for running Stan's.

    Jut8- I wouldn't worry about getting rid of the Juicy's, I think they are more than capable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DesertRat
    I have one of these SLs on order from The Path where i think you got yours. Ive read articals and heard from shop owners that strange noises are known in both the front and rear (shock/fork). Ive also been assured that Specialized is going to do whatever it takes to push there propietary suspension goods into the market place which includes a full swap-out of what ever component the customer is haveing trouble with.

    Have you spoke with Taune about this ?

    A full ride report would be appreciated by all as well.
    I have spoke with the Path and they are working the issue. I should have my bike back by the end of the week

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    I agree on the sevens, awesome power.

    Thats the bike I was messing around on at the shop.

    I HATE TUBELESS !!!!!!!!!!!!! If you dont notice you are low on air and get it a little sideways you can peel it right off or burp some air out which has caused me to take a dive or 2. Dont care what new technology comes up w !! Will never try that @%#$ again

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    Quote Originally Posted by jut8
    Well i picked my enduro SL tonight.........I didnt get the Pro though. I probably didnt make the the most economical decision, but i loved the color of the orange expert so much that i bought it. I figured i can always change components to upgrade it to the Pro status. So that is what did. I got the SL Expert, i already able to shed some weight off of her by putting my PG-990 cassette on, also swapped over to the Rival Ti saddle, and put a mavic skewer on the rear wheel dropping some weight. I have on order some XO shifters, a new thomson seat post, and some candy ti pedals. I am deciding whether or not i should put the Juicy 7's for sale on ebay and upgrade to marta's, or if i should just keep them. I am also looking to get a set of UST wheels for it, i am guessing i will just have to get the hoops and build the wheels for the front hub....any suggestions, i was thinking mavic 819's or getting the hoops that come on the Pro(but they are not UST)

    Anywho, here are some pics:
    I also put the 990 and Rival Ti saddle on my bike. In addition, I replaced my handle bars with the S-works carbon bar. It now ways in at 30.5 lbs.

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    How about some action shots of these sweet bikes.

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    Yeah, i know the juicys are more than capable, they are great brakes, i am going to keep the, the Marta SL's would save about 175 grams or so, and its just not worth it to me for the price.
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    I highly recommend the 819's with stans sealant, I have been running them for three seasons and no problems: I only had to true the rear wheel once. Dt also has a tubless kit specifically for their rims. As a cylde, I love tubeless. I use to run 45-50psi to prevent pinch flats and would still get them frequently, now I run 35 and love the extra traction. I've only got two flats, because of tire slashes, in well over 3000 miles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jut8
    Yeah, i know the juicys are more than capable, they are great brakes, i am going to keep the, the Marta SL's would save about 175 grams or so, and its just not worth it to me for the price.
    Yeah, I agree...So many other upgrades you could make that would make more sense. If you've never ridden tubless, I think it is worth a try. It has been the best upgrade---and one of the cheapest I've made. I understand there are people that have issues with it, but I think it comes down to having the right tires/rims.

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    Quote Originally Posted by willshuman
    Is anyone noticing a bottom-out or top-out type clunk from the rear shock when riding over hard edged ruts...groves...rock gardens? I am noticing a very unpleasant clunk that resonates throughout the bike when I ride through/over hard edged rock gardens, ruts or groves. I get the feeling that the spike valve is opening to articulate the obstacles (as it should), but that it almost gets to supple and tops out and or bottoms out. Does anyone else feel and or hear this? Also, I have extensively tested the air pressure, sag, rebound and compression and have not been able to get rid of the sound and feel of this clunk.
    Nope, i have not noticed anything like that. I have about 25-30 off road miles on it and have not heard (or felt) anything like that front or rear.

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    I am thinking about going to a Hope Pro 2 rear hub, and the Mavic 819's. I would have to keep the front hub obviously.
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    Rims and rear hub would be worth it. Brakes not so much. I rode the martas on the carbon stump fsr that I test rode and they were awesome, but if I already had juicy's I would just hang on to those. I did however ride the new XTR's tonight and they were impressive as well.

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    Mines on order !

    After bashing an expert model around at the local bike shop i decided to go with a "comp".

    For being such a light rig i was impressed how i could plow it into a double row of over sized parking stones at a 30 degree angle without so much as pulling up on the bars or un wieghting the pedals and the bike would just plow right over both sets and not change its line. Thats my version of the rigidity test

    I can deffinetly see the shortest available stem being ordered as you can only get the stem that comes on the size bike you order (according to my LBS)

    At 2500.00 i figure i couldnt go wrong. I can ride it a bunch and if it seems task worthy ill through money at it. If not someone else can own it.
    I found the expert at 3000.00 isnt the value the comp is at 2500.00 (comparable components) although you do get the color choice and you can have the bike now. I guess comps arent due till Mid or late March.


    Can SOMEONE please give a dirt ride report of some detail please.

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    Review posted

    Hey i found a review from a happy owner.......

    Go figure.

    http://www.mtbr.com/reviews/Allmtn_F...t_128564.shtml

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    My last ride on my SL felt sluggish on the flats and the uphills. I thought it might be the combination of the tires and the sticky wet leaves/wet mud/gravel on the trail. It was really weird, I was pedaling really hard and not going very fast at all.
    Turns out, it wasnt the tires. I had bashed my rear brake rotor early in the ride when I had to do a light bail and didnt notice it until several days later when I was getting ready to ride again. That thing was dragging big time! I am going to have to replace it, its not fixable. I guess its good training to ride with bent rotors.
    Anyway, 3 rides, 40 off-road miles later, still absolutely love the SL, no problems at all, no weird noises, no leaking shock oil, no slop in any pivots or bearings. If you are on the fence about getting one, there is no reason not too!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jut8
    I am thinking about going to a Hope Pro 2 rear hub, and the Mavic 819's. I would have to keep the front hub obviously.
    I'd say get the DT tubeless conversion kit for the front and keep the stock rim until you beat the shiat out of it, save the dough until later. Or, order a pro level front wheel through Spesh so you have a full spare set.

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    Ok, i got the 819's on order. I am on the fence about my hub selection. I am going back and forth between the Hope Pro 2 in ano Red, or the Hope Bulb hub. I am leaning towards the Hope Pro 2 Hub, with double butted spokes, and of course the Mavic 819 UST rims.

    I also found that you can order Avid Carbon Levers for the Juicy 7's! You need to order the levers and a new pushrod kit. It ends up being around 60 bucks or so for everything. I have the carbon blades on the maguras on my epic, and i love them. They do have a bling factor, but the main reason i love them is because with the cold weather we have, the composite levers dont get ice cold and cause numb fingers. I got a set of those on order too. I will have to post up more pics after i am done.

    I cant wait to get this thing on the trails. Our riding club is doing a snow ride sunday morning, I am on the fence about taking the epic or the enduro.
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    How much do the DT tubeless conversion kits run, and where can i get one?
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    jut8, don't you have work? And the rest of you guys? Come on, I'm a student. I have a right to be on at this time... Lazy A$$'s...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stumpy_Steve
    jut8, don't you have work? And the rest of you guys? Come on, I'm a student. I have a right to be on at this time... Lazy A$$'s...

    Im actually a high school teacher.....it my planning period

    YOU BETTER NOT BE LATE FOR CLASS!!!!
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    You should be doing homework!

    ha ha haaa.
    .....i dont miss those days!

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    Yeah, college was great, but i am glad i am done......im almost done with my masters.....then i will be done for a while!
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    How the hell do you afford all that high end stuff on a teachers salary?

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    we actually get pretty very well here in PA, wouldnt consider teaching in too many other states.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stumpy_Steve
    How the hell do you afford all that high end stuff on a teachers salary?
    Proper planning, budgeting and discipline.

    jut8: as for Sunday's ride? You gotta play with the new toy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by skiahh
    Proper planning, budgeting and discipline.

    jut8: as for Sunday's ride? You gotta play with the new toy!
    AMEN! Thats why we go to school.

    I am thinking the enduro will the the ride of choice on sunday.
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    What part of PA? I've only been there once, and it was in Reading (hours drive from Philly)

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    I am about 45 minutes outside of Pittsburgh.
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    Jut8-

    No interest in King hubs??

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    I like the king hubs, but from what everyone said the hopes are just a good, have basically the same engagement features, and are a few grams lighter. But the big decider for me was the price, the hope pro 2 hub in ano red is 174.99.....compare that to what a king runs. I know the kings are sweet, but i just cant justify them yet.
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    Have you looked into the Hadley hubs they are bullit proof! and look great !

    Jut8 bring that SL to rays on Sun Im heading out there again !!!!! Be there about 9ish till about anytime between 1-4 pm.

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    I havent looked into those hubs, but i am going to check them out tonight!

    I am actually going on a trail ride sunday with the SL, its freakin cold down here, but the riding group is having a ride sunday at 12:00......it wont be the best conditions, but it will be a real trail ride on the SL, i am excited!
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    Cool. Don't go easy on it lets see what its made of !!! Climbing and drops/jumps are what I'm curious about.

    To keep some of the grime off wipe it down w a WD 40 soaked rag while the bike is still clean, the mud will shed right off. I do this for my hotrod on nights we goto the car shows so "just in case" I do a couple "accidental" burnouts the rubber comes right off. Works pretty good for the bike, I even do the sides of the tires and it seems the mud doesnt clump AS bad.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rokhound
    Cool. Dont go easy on it lets see what its made of !!! Climbing and drops/jumps are what I'm curious about.
    Here here !

    I second the motion.

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    What do you guys think about pedals for these? I am thinking about going with the new Crank Bros. Acid pedals. Ride-This.com has the Acid 2's with the mag shaft and the carbon in stock, but now Acid 1's yet. The acid 2's are sweet, but are they worth the $$?
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    Check this thread out. http://forums.mtbr.com/turner/crank-bros-acid-210487.html#post2083184 They seem to be having some issues with the crank bros stuff...Just FYI.....Have fun on that new ride tomorrow and give us a detailed report....

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