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    Good job! Endure SL DH version

    Thought I would post some updated pics of my Enduro SL "DH" (Comp 07). I'm pretty much through with the mods for now. Here's a part list:

    Halo Freedom rims on Hope Pro II rear hub (10mm bolt-up version - with my tyre setup I don't plan on removing any of the wheels very often ), and on the original Spesh Stout in front, laced with 2mm Wheelsmith plain gauge spokes (black).
    Maxxis Minion DHF 2.5 in front, High Roller DH 2.35 in rear, both in UST version (but running heavy tubes with Slime or Joe's).
    Raceface bashguard.
    Truvativ Shiftguide (chain guide).
    ODI Ruffian lock-on grips
    Hope seatpost clamp
    DMR v12 flat pedals
    08 shock (replaced under warranty)

    Still to come: new cassette (SRAM PG990 - just because its RED.... nah actually because the Hope hub has an aluminium freehub body and its recommended to run a cassette with a spider to avoid marking the freehub body with the cogs of a non-spider equipped cassette). Will probably upgrade the brakes towards summer (Code's are planned). I also need a bigger middle chainring up front.

    Weight as she stands now (according to bathroom scale): 16.5kg - 36.4 lbs. It all adds up doesn't it...

    I've set it up so as to not have to worry about durability of wheels and tyres...there is a penalty to pay on the way up, but with the granny ring still on there its not too bad. A bit of effort on tyres (going tubeless for example), and a lighter crank and a few other bits and pieces should be able to get the weight back down towards original, but my first priority was to make sure it can handle more aggressive riding.

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    And last but not least - MBUK had a nice sheet of stickers in the last issue, I found this one which serves to remind me of why I'm out there on the bike:



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    it does look beautiful but its heavier than a stock sx II

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    Super Nice bike iceman. great set up!

    why did you go with the Freedom and not the SAS ?
    and did you replace the bash with just the outer ring?

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkest_fugue
    it does look beautiful but its heavier than a stock sx II
    Yeah, my wheel build has got to be at least 1 pound heavier for the pair than the stock 5.1 on the SXT II though...and add a bit more with the slimed tubes. And, is that SXT II running the DH version of the Chunder or the regular single ply? If its the single ply, you are talking 500g less per tyre as well compared to mine....

    The Shiftguide from Truvativ is also a pretty heavy piece (of steel!) - but it has that top part that really holds the chain down, that the Blackspire on the SXT II does not. So not really comparing apples to apples here.

    Don't get me wrong though, the SXT II is one hell of a bike. Wouldn't mind one myself...



    Quote Originally Posted by jappo
    Super Nice bike iceman. great set up!

    why did you go with the Freedom and not the SAS ?
    and did you replace the bash with just the outer ring?
    Since I'm more into light DH than pure freeride (well duh, with an SL... ), I needed a strong rim that was not too wide, to keep the tyres' rounded profile (better cornerning and rolling). The Freedom rim is awesome! Looks way cooler in real life than on the pics too. SAS would have been too wide for the riding I do (the Freedom rim is just right at 28mm...not exactly narrow either).

    For the bash, yes, I got rid of the big ring in favor of the bash. The Shiftguide works really well with the remaining 2 rings (granny and middle) - haven't had a single dropped chain, and no more chainsuck since putting this thing on. I just need to get a 34 or a 36 for the middle ring now, the 32 spins out on the fast stuff.


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    okay. with light DH you mean no large drops and/or jumps?

    i own the 06 Enduro and do Light freeride hehe

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    Quote Originally Posted by jappo
    okay. with light DH you mean no large drops and/or jumps?

    i own the 06 Enduro and do Light freeride hehe
    You'd have to define "large". I do hit a fair bit of drops (happy up to 6 feet to flat, more if it is to a tranny), and jumps as well. Definitely no crazy hucking and no dirt jumping. As an example, there's a step down gap on one of the tracks I ride (actually on the side of it), not having measured it properly I'd say its about 8-9 feet down and at least 10-12 feet out (to clear the gap) - I plan on hitting it as soon as I manage to convince myself that I am ready for it. That'll be as far as I intend to push myself (and this bike). I'll try to make sure I get it on video...

    I guess the difference between "light DH" and "light FR" is a matter of speed vs air - however in both cases its less than the full-on version of either!

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    Just curious if you bought the SL with intention to turn into a dh machine? If not what made you decide to do it?
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    good luck in clearing that gap, id be terrified, im afraid to jump anything since i fell off my epic jumping a table top, i did blaze down my local downhill trail the other day faster than ever before though, it doesnt seem so tough after spending sometime in the downhill park, theres a noticable difference in how the bike rides and handles since i changes to the crossmax SLs, im saving for an SX though, and full body armour heh heh

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    Quote Originally Posted by jut8
    Just curious if you bought the SL with intention to turn into a dh machine? If not what made you decide to do it?
    No, I did not. I bought the one bike I thought could do everything from commute to work and ride in the park with my wife and 4 year old son (not the BIKE PARK, obviously ) to aggressive trail riding, and I've just had to make it a bit stronger as my riding has evolved more towards light DH/FR. If I could have 2 bikes (never mind 6 of them... ), then I would have kept the SL in a lighter version, and gone for a full on DH machine to complement it.

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    nice description there, i doesnt matter how its called, just pin it and have fun haha

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    Quote Originally Posted by jappo
    nice description there, i doesnt matter how its called, just pin it and have fun haha
    Yup, I can see we have a common vision about how to ride a bike.

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    Like that crankset

    Hey Ice,

    How you doing, liking the look of that rig especially the bash and guide. Can't believe you are still running those Juicy 5's tho? I got rid of mine in favour of some hope V2's with vented rotors. Did a long downhill run in north of scotland long time ago and the 5's were like greased glass by the end of it so went for these for downhilling.

    I wouldn't try the gap jump, if you look on you tube on this link:

    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=GS-yQ...eature=related

    Thats a real expensive crash. eeeeekkkkk.

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    my sx is lighter than that! and i use it for light xc!!! hee hee

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman2058
    You'd have to define "large". I do hit a fair bit of drops (happy up to 6 feet to flat, more if it is to a tranny), and jumps as well. Definitely no crazy hucking and no dirt jumping. As an example, there's a step down gap on one of the tracks I ride (actually on the side of it), not having measured it properly I'd say its about 8-9 feet down and at least 10-12 feet out (to clear the gap) - I plan on hitting it as soon as I manage to convince myself that I am ready for it. That'll be as far as I intend to push myself (and this bike). I'll try to make sure I get it on video...

    I guess the difference between "light DH" and "light FR" is a matter of speed vs air - however in both cases its less than the full-on version of either!
    Sounds like the SL will be fine then, as you say there is a big difference between being a hucker and throwing in some big step downs! I used to do a similar sized step down on my Cannondale xc hardtail without worrying. I sold that bike to a dirt jumper and I don't think it ever even cracked despite botched 360 spins etc!
    I wonder how much my 07 stumpy fsr can take, has anyone broken one yet?

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    that is a good looking bike .
    i really like the wheels and the stock red ft hub!

    my 08 is that same color ----but the 08's got the ugly black hub

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    fanks m8

    Yo Wil!!!

    Great, thanks for the crash vid, just what I needed to get ready. The bike snapped in 2....at least it wasn't an SL.

    As for the brakes, yeah, like I said in the first post, I'll be looking to upgrade in a few months, the J5s are a bit on the limit for extended runs. Most of my local tracks are pretty short (but sweet!), so I don't really burn them that badly. What you doin' braking anyway???
    So I've got my mind set on the Codes....but the Hope's with the vented rotors do seem very cool.


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    The hopes obviously have more bling, just check out Wil109's picture.

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    A bit pink for my taste, but they do come in black as well...

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    Good call on swapping out the rims. The X430's were fine until I overshot a transition and turned a 5' drop into an 8' drop to flat. A couple nipples broke (luckily not my own) and that was the end. Got a couple of Mavic EX823s on the way. I was much more of an XC rider until I got this bike .

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    Pimp ride Ice! What's that guide weigh?

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    Quote Originally Posted by e-bo-b
    Pimp ride Ice! What's that guide weigh?
    About 290g or so (just the guide, not including the bashguard ring). It works really well.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman2058

    Still to come: new cassette (SRAM PG990 - just because its RED.... nah actually because the Hope hub has an aluminium freehub body and its recommended to run a cassette with a spider to avoid marking the freehub body with the cogs of a non-spider equipped cassette).
    Just an update on this subject: the PG990 is on there now (sweeeeeet! ) - really a cassette with a spider should be mandatory for anyone running a Hope Pro II hub...after just one real ride (and a few quick stints around town), my old cassette (without a spider) was starting to dent the Hope freehub body already.

    I'll stick an updated pic up here soon as well, just because it looks soooo nice now with the red spider on the red hub...

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    WOW not good!
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    Quote Originally Posted by rokhound
    WOW not good!
    Yeah, if you run a Pro II with a steel cassette, remove the cassette and have a look....

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    Most of the additional weight is probably in the tires (2kg?), why would you run tubeless tires with tubes (unless you punctured it and need to get home :-)

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    Quote Originally Posted by djska
    Most of the additional weight is probably in the tires (2kg?), why would you run tubeless tires with tubes (unless you punctured it and need to get home :-)
    You are right, that's where most of the extra weight is (but I think I messed up the weighing process as well....I seem to remember that I left the saddle pouch and pump on it....and my bathroom scale method is probably not very scientific....so if I get a chance I'll try to weigh it properly).

    Anyway, for the tyres, I was after the 2-ply version anyway, but that day they only had the UST in the shop, so I went for that. I've had it with 1-ply tyres. Used to snake bite way too often. My new setup is def bomb proof!

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    The one thing about riding an Enduro SL on DH trails is that the bike lacks any sort of High Speed compression resulting in to many bottom outs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iceman2058
    You are right, that's where most of the extra weight is (but I think I messed up the weighing process as well....I seem to remember that I left the saddle pouch and pump on it....and my bathroom scale method is probably not very scientific....so if I get a chance I'll try to weigh it properly).

    Anyway, for the tyres, I was after the 2-ply version anyway, but that day they only had the UST in the shop, so I went for that. I've had it with 1-ply tyres. Used to snake bite way too often. My new setup is def bomb proof!
    I'd advise you to just try it for a while without the tubes, just bring one (or two) tubes with you in your camelback. There's just no point in running a 2-ply UST-tire with an inner tube.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RYAN E
    The one thing about riding an Enduro SL on DH trails is that the bike lacks any sort of High Speed compression resulting in to many bottom outs.
    Well it's no DH machine that's for sure. And it is incorrect to say that it lacks high speed compression - it just lacks a way to ADJUST the high speed compression (well the spike valve pressure does influence this a little bit, because it will keep the compression overflow circuit closed a little while longer, but the effect seems negligible).
    Anyway, it seems to behave very nicely even when bottoming out....the suspension ramps up fairly well, and there is little violence even when you do run through the stroke. Within reason, obviously. Again, its no DH or FR machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RYAN E
    The one thing about riding an Enduro SL on DH trails is that the bike lacks any sort of High Speed compression resulting in to many bottom outs.
    you can add oil in the air sleeve in the rear shock to increase the "Ramping up" of compression damping closer to the end of the travel and control bottoming of the shock,
    and you can also raise the oil level in the forks to do the same .

    you can also re-valve the damper cartridge in the fork and or shock to do what ever you want it to do .

    these componets are very good can be suited to many different riding styles !

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelstr
    you can also re-valve the damper cartridge in the fork and or shock to do what ever you want it to do .
    Are the shims easily accessible in these shocks? Or are the shim adjustments a send out situation.

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    enduro or ransom

    Iceman, you ride the enduro SL and say you have tested/ridden a Scott Ransom - which do you think is the best for my kind of riding?

    I ride 70% trail centres 30% downhill/light freeride. My Enduro SL has so far dealt with everything I've asked it to - including a week in Morzine. However I'm about to have a Scott Ransom returned to me that I only ever ridden once before being stolen (I replaced it with the Enduro which was not aviailable when I originally bought the Ransom). I need to sell one so I will put the Ransom through its paces before making a desicion - I'd just be interested to hear what your verdict is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schuss189
    Iceman, you ride the enduro SL and say you have tested/ridden a Scott Ransom - which do you think is the best for my kind of riding?

    I ride 70% trail centres 30% downhill/light freeride. My Enduro SL has so far dealt with everything I've asked it to - including a week in Morzine. However I'm about to have a Scott Ransom returned to me that I only ever ridden once before being stolen (I replaced it with the Enduro which was not aviailable when I originally bought the Ransom). I need to sell one so I will put the Ransom through its paces before making a desicion - I'd just be interested to hear what your verdict is.
    If you did a week in Morzine with your SL and were happy, then I'd say you have your bike! The Ransom is a great machine as well - it is slightly more on the aggressive side in my opinion. It is a bit shorter in the cockpit, possibly a bit higher (but you could achieve that with the high BB setting on the SL if that is where your preference lies), and it is a bit easier to lift the front on. Makes for a more forgiving jump/DH machine. It doesn't climb/pedal quite as well as the SL though (even though it has that trick 3-way adjustable shock platform thing going on). So, for 70% trail centres and 30% light DH you can't go very wrong with the SL (and you even said you did a week in the Alpes with it and you seem happy about it..). If you find it light on the component side you know what you have to do...

    Of course, you have the great advantage of now being able to ride the Ransom properly and compare it to the SL and then make up your own mind. Don't forget to tell us how it all works out!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.P
    Are the shims easily accessible in these shocks? Or are the shim adjustments a send out situation.

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    you do have to dissasemble the shock to re-valve it .
    all suspension is the same , it is not very hard to do , and it is better to do it all your self , so you know what was changed-----it is really the only way to trully get it dialed for you and the way you ride !

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    Iceman,

    Nice ride, you've definately put some love into it. It's a great bike for what it was intended for.

    Just one question, why didn't you look at an SXT?
    Between the head-angles and suspension set up I think you would have been very happy with one.

    Not to say you can't own both....

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    Quote Originally Posted by snow-man
    Iceman,

    Nice ride, you've definately put some love into it. It's a great bike for what it was intended for.

    Just one question, why didn't you look at an SXT?
    Between the head-angles and suspension set up I think you would have been very happy with one.

    Not to say you can't own both....
    The ministry of finance (aka wife) had put some pretty severe budget restrictions in place for what she generally regards as "silly stuff"....the SXT was quite a bit more expensive at the time so there you have it. That plus the fact that with the one bike I have to do everything from commute to work, trail rides, to general weekend light DH/FR duty. Not to say that the SXT wouldn't do all that, but I figured the SL has an advantage in the pedalling department that makes it slightly more versatile.

    I do plan on getting a 2nd bike eventually. But I'll probably get a dedicated DH rig when I do, and still keep the SL. I do really enjoy it...

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    here is my old enduro .. i sold her after about 1500 km for a santa cruz nomad which can handle a bit more abuse and has more build options. I crashed out on the enduro a couple of times and the frame almost tore open its super thin. if the rubbers on the e150 are not in the right place at the corner of your toptube the bottom tube tends to dent in. i dont recommend this for DH or freeride. I push myself to the limit when i ride and sometimes i fall off. i think the enduro is an excellent bike for all day long aggressive trail riding. My friend has an SX trail and commented on how thin the tubing is on the enduro. Bottom line if you ride hard push your self and bail every now and then get a thicker frame.

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    Well,

    as promised, a couple of pics after the latest upgrades/changes:
    -now running a 60mm stem (the SL ROCKS with a shorter stem - and the cool thing was I got it replaced under
    warranty on an 11 month old bike )
    -Minion DHR 2.5 in the rear (also very nice....don't know if I prefer it over the High Roller yet)
    -now with a 36T middle chainring and a slightly bigger bash to accomodate it (I was spinning out the gear on the 32T on the fast stuff too easily).









    After a few months on them, happy to report that the wheel build (Halo Freedom Rims on Hope Pro II + original Spesh hub in front) is great - everything I thought it would be.

    Anyway, only the brakes left to upgrade....Codes for summer is the plan. Its already 27 degrees (celsius) here most of the time, which some call summer,
    but not the ministry of finance aka wife...
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    This goes along with the thin tubing comment, and I'm not sure if it was a bad weld (overheated the Al), or something to do with the fact that I ride an XL frame (more stress--longer arm/more torque), but I broke my SL last Sunday on an XC ride. I've been babying this thing since I've had so many suspension problems, nothing I wouldn't have tried on a Stumpy, or even my Fisher HKEK hard tail). Check it out.

    So BE CAREFUL! It's not a DH bike, just make sure you're in a situation where you would survive if something goes horribly wrong. No crazy stuff please.

    Are you finding your Juicy brakes inadequate? I've never noticed any problems on mine (other than needing to bleed them), but I haven't had my bike in the mountains yet so that's not surprising. I have had great luck with Shimano brakes in the past, and you can find a new set of XT's for under $350 if you shop around. Would be lighter than the Codes. Man those Hayes are bling, so bright I need sunglasses
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    Well, I have to think (hope...) that something was wrong with that stay....I ride mine quite a lot
    harder than I would a stumpy, for sure, and so far so good...touch wood, fingers crossed, and all that.

    Still, yeah, its no DH bike, that much is clear. But, since its my one bike do it all, I'm afraid
    it's just gonna have to put up with it all....

    Oh, and I remember seeing quite a lot of pics of snapped stays on the old Enduro (now SXT), maybe
    Spesh need to give up and add 100g per stay or so....I know I wouldn't care.

    As for the brakes, the Juicys are OK, but on longer runs they do show quite a bit of fade, and
    notable lever pump when they heat up....Codes seem a nice upgrade (the Formula Ones seem to get
    great reviews, but I was put off by the set up that is apparently iffy.....the Avids are so simple in
    this department that I don't want to change...that and the weak dollar, makes it nice to buy US
    stuff right now for anybody not living there!)

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    Hey Iceman, how are you finding your chain guide? You do have a two ring setup right. Been looking at a couple of options for my Nomad for some rougher downhills, I am finding that I am not using the 44 teeth ring that much.

    Cheers,

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    Check this out hhmm. It allows you to keep all 3 rings, just incase you dont want to get rid of the big one. I too, dont really use my 44 much either, unless Im on the street, but have considered getting one of these. Same guy makes one for just a 2 ring set up as well.

    http://www.pricepoint.com/detail/134...hain-Guide.htm

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    The Truvativ works fine. I really think the 22t, 36t, bash setup is a good compromise (32t was too limiting for the faster stuff),
    and I wouldn't want to run my bike without the bash and guide, for sure. First of all the chain won't stay on 30 seconds,
    and second I hate getting the big ring in the back of the calf or something....

    The Truvativ Shiftguide is defintely good value for money - its very simple, and does its job just fine (a bit on the heavy
    side perhaps). I paid like 40 bucks for mine new....that's hard to beat! I also like that it has a top guide black (which the
    e13 DRS doesn't, for example) - although to run it with the 36t chainring, I had to invert it, or it wouldn't clear the chain.
    Looks a bit weird but works nevertheless.

    I've seen pics in a magazine of a new RaceFace guide that looks REALLY nice...but it's not even on their site yet...

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    Update on my "DH" build on my SL:

    New stuff:
    Truvativ Holzfeller DH Riser bar (50mm rise, 710mm wide), to get a little bit more height in
    the cockpit, and of course adding width (up from 660mm stock).

    Avid Code brakes (2008) - uuuuhm niiiiiice!!!!
    203mm in front, 180 in the rear. A ton of power on tap.......real nice modulation too!

    Previous mods:
    Hope Pro II rear hub
    Halo Freedom Rims
    Maxxis Minion DHF/DHR 2.5
    RaceFace bashguard
    Truvativ Shiftguide
    SRAM PG990 cassette
    SRAM PG991 chain
    ODI Lock-on grips (Ruffian)
    Hope seatpost clamp

    Updated pics attached.
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    hey , i love those 50mm rise bars , those things look like they would work great for me ,

    your bike has come along way and it looks great !!!

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    The bike rides very well with wider bars - I was out for the first serious piece of action
    today since the upgrade, and it worked out very well indeed. Great feeling bars for sure...

    And let's not even talk about the brakes......the power....insane....

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    Build update: now running a DHX 5.0 coil in the rear. Completely changes the feeling of the bike...will post more detailed input after the first trail test...here are a few pics in the meantime:




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