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    New question here. Double crown fork for 2010 Enduro

    Been riding my enduro for a while now, and I really like the Lyrik 2-step up front for All Mountain and XC riding. However, for days when I am mostly going downhill I am thinking about buying a double crown fork. I would prefer to buy one used, since it will maybe get used 1 in 5 rides.

    What would work best with the 2010 Enduro's geometry, and headtube?

    (by the way, I'm also looking at other components, but I only need advice on the fork)

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    Quote Originally Posted by thrasher_s
    Been riding my enduro for a while now, and I really like the Lyrik 2-step up front for All Mountain and XC riding. However, for days when I am mostly going downhill I am thinking about buying a double crown fork. I would prefer to buy one used, since it will maybe get used 1 in 5 rides.

    What would work best with the 2010 Enduro's geometry, and headtube?

    (by the way, I'm also looking at other components, but I only need advice on the fork)
    You will have to find something that is compatible with a 1 1/2" to 1 1/8" tapered head tube.
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    Quote Originally Posted by jrob1775
    You will have to find something that is compatible with a 1 1/2" to 1 1/8" tapered head tube.
    Are tapered head tubes really only used for standard forks? Not dual crowns?
    Is there some sort of adapter?

    Maybe I just need two bikes
    Last edited by thrasher_s; 12-06-2009 at 12:16 AM.

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    IMO sell the bike and buy an SX. A 180mm DC DH fork on 150mm air shocked bike is stupid for many reasons.

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    I just set up one of my freinds 2010 Enduros with a modded 165mm e-150 and he loves it .

    That was one of my complaints on the 2010 was I missed my duel crown fork for ripping the down hill up .------( and I did not like the lower BB on the 2010 ----)

    but yes you can make the 2010 do what you want ----it is a great bike

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCL
    IMO sell the bike and buy an SX. A 180mm DC DH fork on 150mm air shocked bike is stupid for many reasons.
    Disagree.

    Why would I buy a bike that is worse than mine for 90% of the riding that I do????

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    an e150 and 1 1/2" to 1 1/8" lower headset
    by the way, PM me if you think you'll need an e150
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    Quote Originally Posted by JCL
    IMO sell the bike and buy an SX. A 180mm DC DH fork on 150mm air shocked bike is stupid for many reasons.
    +1.0000000000000 (needed more characters)

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    Don't you mind voiding the warranty? Don't you mind risking your frame? The lyrik is more than capable for downhill...

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelstr
    I just set up one of my freinds 2010 Enduros with a modded 165mm e-150 and he loves it .

    That was one of my complaints on the 2010 was I missed my duel crown fork for ripping the down hill up .------( and I did not like the lower BB on the 2010 ----)

    but yes you can make the 2010 do what you want ----it is a great bike
    I still can't believe you're able to squeak out 15mm more of extra travel on the e150.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SurfSailRide
    I still can't believe you're able to squeak out 15mm more of extra travel on the e150.
    Its a really good fork , most suspension componets can be extended and or shortened , its not a big deal, --------

    I just love the way the e-150 slams the down hill stuff---------the lyric can not match the stable steering and quick flick and great feel of the e-150
    total transforms the 2010 into the bike it should have been

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    Quote Originally Posted by punkassean
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    Which part are you "plussing"? Trading to a different bike? or not using a double crown on a 2010 enduro?

    Zero help....

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsivis83
    Don't you mind voiding the warranty? Don't you mind risking your frame? The lyrik is more than capable for downhill...

    I've rocked my Enduro and Lyric all over N* and had no problem minus falling short on the competition level chunk like sections of Sticks and Stones. . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsivis83
    Don't you mind voiding the warranty? Don't you mind risking your frame? The lyrik is more than capable for downhill...
    Live alittle , tear the tag off your mattress , carry a concealed weapon without a permit , Ride your 2010 enduro with a duell crown 7" fork on it , its not going to hurt that chassis one bit.
    Hell I have beat the snot out of the Enduro SL and have not hurt it yet .

    Both these Enduro bikes are just great , ---go for it

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    Every specialized bike comes with a manual that says what forks are suitable for the specific frame. When specialized says that ONLY SINGLE CROWN FORKS OF 160mm of travel are compatible with this frame then do so and keep the lyrik. Maybe you have the one in 1 million frame that is not going to withstand the stress of the dual crown fork. Maybe the frame breaks while you are bombing downhill. Maybe you will suffer serious injury or death. READ the manual of your bike...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Truckee Trash
    I've rocked my Enduro and Lyric all over N* and had no problem minus falling short on the competition level chunk like sections of Sticks and Stones. . .
    +1, but with a Marzocchi 55 on and 06 Enduro.

    The '10 Lyric & '10 Enduro are both stiffer.

    If you are pinning it on DH runs you'll need more bike. A double crown won't make the Enduro go any bigger.

    Consider getting some DH wheels with a wide rim profile and some DH sidewall, slow rebound rubber tires, that should help you way more than a fork. Especially if you have the stock wheels on. It's what I am looking to do for the resort stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsivis83
    Every specialized bike comes with a manual that says what forks are suitable for the specific frame. When specialized says that ONLY SINGLE CROWN FORKS OF 160mm of travel are compatible with this frame then do so and keep the lyrik. Maybe you have the one in 1 million frame that is not going to withstand the stress of the dual crown fork. Maybe the frame breaks while you are bombing downhill. Maybe you will suffer serious injury or death. READ the manual of your bike...
    Good Lord , if i wanted to be saved from expletives, and not dare skin my knee, I and all the rest on here would have gone to church , -----not be riding mountainbikes, ------look at how these Enduros get pounded and used , run the structural math and load on just the ft triangle , you will find both these chassis will take way more load then you could ever put on the thing under normal mountainbiking .

    Live alittle and have a good time , the world may end tomorrow

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    You can do it. Heres what you will need tho.

    1. Tapered Dual Crown which you can find but it gonna be fairly new cause tapered dual crowns are fairly new.

    2. Gonna have to lower it. Yes Boxxers/etc can be lowered internally. Sam Hill ran a lowered one for worlds on his SX trail as rumor has it. ( Because WC are light and over more rigidity over Totems. )

    3. Gotta make sure its pretty damn close to the same height as your 150. As specialized makes HT angles for certain bikes and if you go beyond or below your warranty will be void. The only reason to get a dual crown is for more front end rigidity.

    It is possible, but it will cost a bit. I would just get a Totem with 2step air if your looking for more beef up front.

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    you dont need a tapered crown. You need this $20 head tube reducer from Spesh
    http://www.specialized.com/us/en/bc/...enuItemId=9305

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    good lord

    Quote Originally Posted by kelstr
    Good Lord , if i wanted to be saved from expletives, and not dare skin my knee, I and all the rest on here would have gone to church , -----not be riding mountainbikes, ------look at how these Enduros get pounded and used , run the structural math and load on just the ft triangle , you will find both these chassis will take way more load then you could ever put on the thing under normal mountainbiking .

    Live alittle and have a good time , the world may end tomorrow
    Kelstr sounds like the typical redneck ' hold my beer and watch this'. 'run the structural math'?? dude, the EXPERIENCED design and testing engineers work to develop a carbon layup schedule that is appropriate to a certain type of riding on a certain frame with a given amount of travel. when a maufacturer states a max fork length, its not just to give you 'fewer fork options' they do it to keep knuckle heads from running a Boxxer on a lightweightcarbon AM frame and jacking the geometry and thus subjecting the HT to a very different set of forces than wit a 160mm fork.

    armchair 'engineers' have NO PLACE making 'recomendations' that could risk the health or safety of a fellow rider.

    do your self a favor and ride a fork that is within the Mfgs recomendations.

    no i do not work for, sell or support specialized in any way, but putting a boxxer on an enduro is plain stupid.

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    At last someone that reads the instruction manual. Thanks for the input alias.

    Don't put a dual crown on the enduro. Watch the last NWD 10 Dust and Bones especially the part where KIRT Voreis rides. He uses a Lyrik. Now if you guys ride harder than him then go to specialized for a special custom build and a special enduro with boxxers or whatever. IF not keep the lyrik and have fun today and the day after and so and so because the world is not gonna end tomorrow...

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    The only reason to put a DH dual crown on this bike is if you were hoping to get two halves of an Enduro.

    1. The bike is going to ride like crap with an extra 2 inches of travel. The steering will tractor and you'll loose the precision in cornering as the wheel flops from one side to the other.
    2. You'll break it. Watching a bike break in half is not as fun in person as it is on youtube
    3. You don't need it, the bike rides amazingly as it is. If you truly are overstepping the limits of the Enduro, you need to be looking into the much more robust Demo anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thrasher_s
    What would work best with the 2010 Enduro's geometry, and headtube?

    (by the way, I'm also looking at other components, but I only need advice on the fork)
    Questions:

    1) Is this a carbon or aluminum frame?
    2) Are you looking for increased travel or just the added stiffness of a duel crown?
    3) What "other components" are you looking for (you mentioned this in your first post)

    If your looking to put downhill components and a 200mm fork on the bike, I'd say sell it and buy a downhill bike (for the reasons previously cited). If you're just looking for the added stiffness of a duel crown, I don't see anything egregious about putting an e150, or a reduced travel Fox/Boxxer on, though I think the latter choice would be too much fork/$ for the application.

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    Quote Originally Posted by alias
    Kelstr sounds like the typical redneck ' hold my beer and watch this'. 'run the structural math'?? dude, the EXPERIENCED design and testing engineers work to develop a carbon layup schedule that is appropriate to a certain type of riding on a certain frame with a given amount of travel. when a maufacturer states a max fork length, its not just to give you 'fewer fork options' they do it to keep knuckle heads from running a Boxxer on a lightweightcarbon AM frame and jacking the geometry and thus subjecting the HT to a very different set of forces than wit a 160mm fork.

    armchair 'engineers' have NO PLACE making 'recomendations' that could risk the health or safety of a fellow rider.

    do your self a favor and ride a fork that is within the Mfgs recomendations.

    no i do not work for, sell or support specialized in any way, but putting a boxxer on an enduro is plain stupid.
    Your right, Ive got my icky sticky chronic and a bottle of jack with my sisters 14 year old freind that wants to learn and life is all good

    Actually I do not smoke or drink , and I work with chassis design and solve suspension componet problems as well as do all the motor work and design .
    So I am not an armchair engineer

    And I have installed a modded 165mm E-150 on a 2010 enduro that the customer is running, ---the E-150 can be installed on the bike with the same ft end chassis height as stock , so the bike retains all the stock geo

    The bike still rides and works the same , except it solved the week ft end feel when really plowing through the rock and shale we have here at SouthMountain , it made this bikes steering what it should have been stock , the feel is great , and the action of a correctly valved and set up E-150 is just nice and solid with great plush small bump ride.

    And yes this Chassis will easily handle this build

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    Quote Originally Posted by vsong
    2. Gonna have to lower it. Yes Boxxers/etc can be lowered internally. Sam Hill ran a lowered one for worlds on his SX trail as rumor has it. ( Because WC are light and over more rigidity over Totems. )
    here a pick of the sx with the boxxer:

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    Quote Originally Posted by tsivis83
    Every specialized bike comes with a manual that says what forks are suitable for the specific frame. When specialized says that ONLY SINGLE CROWN FORKS OF 160mm of travel are compatible with this frame then do so and keep the lyrik. Maybe you have the one in 1 million frame that is not going to withstand the stress of the dual crown fork. Maybe the frame breaks while you are bombing downhill. Maybe you will suffer serious injury or death. READ the manual of your bike...
    Let the guy (kelstr) do what he wants to do. Like playing the lottery, nothing will probably happen. If it does, he'll create a new username and come back to this thread and lambast Specialized. It'll be one of those threads that start off with a 27 paragraph soliloquy to Mike Sinyard, entitled "I WAS JRA AND MY ENDURO CRACKED!", begging him to back up his products, which apparently break when ridden beyond the threshold clearly stated in the manual.

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    Its funny that that picture of sam hill is titled "champion" when its a picture of him riding a bike that he lost on in the championship race.

    But anyway, there is a big difference between a dual crown e150/165 with the same axle to crown height and a fox 40 (the lowest A2C height of any of the big boy forks that I know of). Running a fox 40 or Boxxer or 888 will make that bike ride like piss, and not be good for the frame either. Buy a different bike if the lyric isn't enough.

    Edit, also, you noobs telling klstr what to do are displaying your noobishness, he already stated that it had the same A2C height as the fork specced on the bike, which means its not putting any extra stress on the frame, and I can 100% guarantee you that he knows 100% more then you ever have or will know about mechanical engineering and bikes. The dude knows what he is talking about. No idea about how good or bad of a rider he is, but when it comes to mechanical engineering and suspension, trust him, he knows what he's talking about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelstr
    Live alittle , tear the tag off your mattress , carry a concealed weapon without a permit , Ride your 2010 enduro with a duell crown 7" fork on it , its not going to hurt that chassis one bit.
    Hell I have beat the snot out of the Enduro SL and have not hurt it yet .

    Both these Enduro bikes are just great , ---go for it
    I actually ride less than a mile from the border, the weapon might be a good idea. Ever see "no country for old men"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SurfSailRide
    Questions:
    2) Are you looking for increased travel or just the added stiffness of a duel crown?
    FINALLY, THANKYOU.

    Why does everybody assume I am looking for huge travell? I NEVER mentioned wanting increased travel, or a Boxxer, or anything else. 6" is perfect for what I am riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thrasher_s
    FINALLY, THANKYOU.

    Why does everybody assume I am looking for huge travell? I NEVER mentioned wanting increased travel, or a Boxxer, or anything else. 6" is perfect for what I am riding.
    I knew just what you wanted , --------------When most guys here the words DOUBLE CROWN FORK , they just automaticly go into 8 inch mode , ---and OH NO you will screw up the warranty on the bike , ----and OH NO IT WILL NEVER WORK ,-------------

    The closed mind's are human nature , you can't blame them , for they know not of anything but what they were programed to think .

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelstr
    And I have installed a modded 165mm E-150 on a 2010 enduro that the customer is running, ---the E-150 can be installed on the bike with the same ft end chassis height as stock , so the bike retains all the stock geo


    And yes this Chassis will easily handle this build
    Whoah, have to ask. Don't want to, but have to. What does it take to do this? Different left leg cart? I weigh 160 geared up and have an e150 on a 160mm frame, I don't think i would destroy it. I am considering a replacement to even up the travel but it has been really good to me. The stanchions on the e150 are pretty long.

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    Quote Originally Posted by primefocus
    Whoah, have to ask. Don't want to, but have to. What does it take to do this? Different left leg cart? I weigh 160 geared up and have an e150 on a 160mm frame, I don't think i would destroy it. I am considering a replacement to even up the travel but it has been really good to me. The stanchions on the e150 are pretty long.
    (Just a suggestion, Kelstr, but start a thread giving the step by step on this so people stop asking... )

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    Yes, a kelstr sourced thread on this subject would find a happy home amongst my many other bookmarks to his tutorials/tuning tips.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kelstr
    ...When most guys here the words DOUBLE CROWN FORK , they just automaticly go into 8 inch mode...
    Kelstr's threads have been invaluable to me and many other riders.

    Lots of folks see my dual-crown Enduro SL and have false assumptions of what the bike is all about. Most noteably I rode at a MTB mecca and the shuttle broke down 4 miles from the trailhead.

    The options were to pedal back down a mile on the road and drop into the 35 mile xc trail from there or pedal up the last 4 miles of pavement to take it from the top. My buddies were going to ride down to drop in.

    I was considering it until I overheard some spandex-worshiping, "hard-core" xc riders on their 4-inch-travel steeds (epics, etc...) with flat bars were making jokes about "all DH bikes must pedal down now - hahaha". I was the only one in anything that looked like a DH bike - with a fat 2.4 up front and was wearing a Troy Lee jersey and some super baggy shorts. I knew who they were referring to. Having just lost 31 lbs (178 to 147) and feeling great, I decided to ride up and see if I could keep up.

    I am happy to say I smoked them all up the paved road and down the 35 mile trail to the end. We all waited to regroup at the top and I kept my place in line in front of 20 other riders. I never saw them again. That was a good ride

    The next day, I went on a mostly DH run - Dropped the gravity dropper and just blasted over any gnar the trail could dish out. That E150 fork tracks true and unwaveringly over some crazy stuff. 35mm stanchions bolted to a 25mm thru axle. Tight

    That's why I love the Enduro SL. XC one day and DH the next. The lack of the dual-crown is the only thing I don't like about the 2010 enduro. I have ridden single-crown forks since then and just didn't like it.

    I bet that 2010 S-works carbon enduro with a white/black E150 (E165) would look and ride just sick!

    EDIT: The other thing I love about the dual-crown is that the attitude adjust (travel adjust) and rebound/compression knobs are all at ber-level. I comletely forgot how nice that was until I rode a 2010 and had to lean way over to get to the knobs...

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    A 35mm stanchion tapered steerer SC fork isn't stiff enough ? How did you cope three years ago ?

    Do you know RS actually builds in deflection compliance into Boxxers...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCL
    A 35mm stanchion tapered steerer SC fork isn't stiff enough ? How did you cope three years ago ?

    Do you know RS actually builds in deflection compliance into Boxxers...
    No, I didn't know that. I got to ride a Santa Cruz Syndicate-team V10 a couple years ago on a local DH course with a Boxxer. I was in love with that bike. I did not notice any deflection, but the whole bike felt like a steam-roller. Suddenly my line didn't matter - just point it straight down hill and the bike took care of the rest... almost :-)

    Three years ago I was on a noodley fox float RLC (32mm) - ugh! I hated life...

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    Quote Originally Posted by JCL
    Do you know RS actually builds in deflection compliance into Boxxers...
    Wait, so does that mean I can put a Boxxer on my Epic?!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.P
    +1, but with a Marzocchi 55 on and 06 Enduro.

    The '10 Lyric & '10 Enduro are both stiffer.

    If you are pinning it on DH runs you'll need more bike. A double crown won't make the Enduro go any bigger.

    Consider getting some DH wheels with a wide rim profile and some DH sidewall, slow rebound rubber tires, that should help you way more than a fork. Especially if you have the stock wheels on. It's what I am looking to do for the resort stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by FSRguy
    Kelstr's threads have been invaluable to me and many other riders.

    Lots of folks see my dual-crown Enduro SL and have false assumptions of what the bike is all about. Most noteably I rode at a MTB mecca and the shuttle broke down 4 miles from the trailhead.

    The options were to pedal back down a mile on the road and drop into the 35 mile xc trail from there or pedal up the last 4 miles of pavement to take it from the top. My buddies were going to ride down to drop in.

    I was considering it until I overheard some spandex-worshiping, "hard-core" xc riders on their 4-inch-travel steeds (epics, etc...) with flat bars were making jokes about "all DH bikes must pedal down now - hahaha". I was the only one in anything that looked like a DH bike - with a fat 2.4 up front and was wearing a Troy Lee jersey and some super baggy shorts. I knew who they were referring to. Having just lost 31 lbs (178 to 147) and feeling great, I decided to ride up and see if I could keep up.

    I am happy to say I smoked them all up the paved road and down the 35 mile trail to the end. We all waited to regroup at the top and I kept my place in line in front of 20 other riders. I never saw them again. That was a good ride

    The next day, I went on a mostly DH run - Dropped the gravity dropper and just blasted over any gnar the trail could dish out. That E150 fork tracks true and unwaveringly over some crazy stuff. 35mm stanchions bolted to a 25mm thru axle. Tight

    That's why I love the Enduro SL. XC one day and DH the next. The lack of the dual-crown is the only thing I don't like about the 2010 enduro. I have ridden single-crown forks since then and just didn't like it.

    I bet that 2010 S-works carbon enduro with a white/black E150 (E165) would look and ride just sick!

    EDIT: The other thing I love about the dual-crown is that the attitude adjust (travel adjust) and rebound/compression knobs are all at ber-level. I comletely forgot how nice that was until I rode a 2010 and had to lean way over to get to the knobs...
    Great Story! I cannot stand the self proclaimed hardcore XC Douche type. I run into them all the time. Now, I run a little hot to begin with and when I see them looking down there noses at me in their Team USPS spandex jersey's (Mind you, none of them ride for team USPS but that is another story all together), all 125lbs of them, it makes me want to wreck all of them. But, I keep going and try and forget it. Anyway, glad you kicked some spandex ass on your SL It's a great bike

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    Quote Originally Posted by SurfSailRide
    Wait, so does that mean I can put a Boxxer on my Epic?!
    No it means 100% flex free forks aren't totally essential to performance and may even be detrimental. And certainly aren't essential on a 150mm AM bike. An E2 steerer, 35mm stanchioned fork is just fine.

    IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by shift96
    Great Story! I cannot stand the self proclaimed hardcore XC Douche type. I run into them all the time. Now, I run a little hot to begin with and when I see them looking down there noses at me in their Team USPS spandex jersey's (Mind you, none of them ride for team USPS but that is another story all together), all 125lbs of them, it makes me want to wreck all of them. But, I keep going and try and forget it. Anyway, glad you kicked some spandex ass on your SL It's a great bike
    Are people really this insecure that they must revert to insults and generalizations about fellow bikers who share the same interests? Too much us vs. them segregation... please save your hate for the triathletes instead :P.

    Could they possibly been admiring your ride/talent/you rather 'looking down [their] noses at [you]"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ktse
    Are people really this insecure that they must revert to insults and generalizations about fellow bikers who share the same interests? Too much us vs. them segregation... please save your hate for the triathletes instead :P.

    Could they possibly been admiring your ride/talent/you rather 'looking down [their] noses at [you]"?
    Blah blah blah..............

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