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    Carbon Epic and Stumpy 2006!

    <TABLE width="80%"><TBODY><TR><TD>Too bad I will never be able to afford it. From mbaction website.





    SPECIALIZED DEBUTS CARBON FIBER S-WORKS--JULY 17

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    Specialized has a new carbon fiber process that it calls FACT. "Functional Advanced Composite Technology." It's a building technique that starts with seperate tubes and parts that are laid up by hand from carbon fiber, then cured seperately. The individual parts are then glued together, and then the frame junctions are reinforced by "taping" it together with carbon fiber strips. The journals are then cured with heat and pressure in a second mold where the frame emerges into what Specialized calls "Az-1" (say: "as one") technology. Az-1 means that the carbon frame reacts as if it was laid up, molded and cured in one piece.

    The Epic has the new carbon technology, but the big news is that the top Stumpjumper gets it too. The new Stumpy may be the best bicycle in Specialized's lineup for 2006. It has 130mm of rear wheel travel and a remote reservior Brain Shock that has been tuned to react more smoothly than the made-for-racing Epic's inertia-valve pedaling platform. The Carbon Epic with disc brakes will run near $7000 and the frame and shock weigh 2350 grams.

    The Stumpjumper's bottom bracket has been raised slightly (that is good) and its head angle has been kicked out (slacker) by a half degree from the original 71-degrees. The end result is a 25-pound trailbike that pedals like a racing sled, but handles so much better that nobody in their right mind would want to trail ride on anything else. Don't get too excited; only the top three Stumpy's get Brain Shocks. The rest get Fox Triad Pro-pedal shocks. The top Stumpy will also cost around $7000.

    While we are on the subject of shocks, the '06 Enduro, while it chassis is unchanged, gets the new Fox DHX-Air damper that incorporates all of the adjustability of Fox's DH racing coil/over shock, with less than half the weight. Another addition to the Enduro is a dual-crankset with a Black Spire roller guide and a lightweight Specialized "bash guard." This has been long in coming--the Enduro is too heavy to take advantage of a 44-tooth chainring anyway. The modification puts the Enduro squarely in its intended realm as a big-drop machine that is trail capable. Fox "36" forks will show up on the top bike. The mid-priced Enduro has Marzocchi's six-inch single-crown slider and a less-expensive version of the Enduro will be offered with the Fox TALAS fork.

    Specialized may have the best female-specific lineup. The road and mountain lineup has been designed around matching helmets, clothing and other accessories. It's an impressive lineup--but not completely impressive. The missing link is at the top of its bicycle lineup. The best bicycle that a woman is allowed to buy is the aluminum Stumpjumper "Expert," and is doesn't have a Brain! Specialized may be able to spell the word, but expressing their committment to female cyclists is still forthcoming. Either you are in or out. Give the girls a Brain and let them ride carbon!

    Downhillers and freeriders will appreciate the new Carbon fiber full-face helmet. Specialized calls it the Deviant. It is mega light weight and heavily ventilated. No problems with your helmet obscuring your view mid-stunt either, because it incorporates the adjustable Pro-Fit retention device. The new lid costs $350 in carbon and $130 in fiberglass.

    If you want more information, wait for a few days and we'll get some pictures and more details on the site. Right now, I gott a go ride with Ned Overend (He turns fifty on Thursday and somehow, can still kick my butt on the climbs) Happy Birthday Ned!




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    Nice to hear that the Stumpy 2006 has a higher bottom bracket and a triad / brain shock. I find only the dead zone and the firmest setting to be useful in the septune.

    I just bought a 2005 model a week ago and the low bb and the septune shock are my only complaints...

    I wonder if the added travel and therefore also added sag will eat up the heightened bb...

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    so what does that make the price for the s-works epic frame/fork? Over $4K?!
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    7k for a bike is ridiculous, I don't care what it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mtnbiker1973
    7k for a bike is ridiculous, I don't care what it is.
    I'll second that! Not only is it a huge pile of $s, if they really do post a $7k msrp, that's 30% above their top msrp for 2005 ...totally nuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcavtca
    I'll second that! Not only is it a huge pile of $s, if they really do post a $7k msrp, that's 30% above their top msrp for 2005 ...totally nuts.

    Yeh, but somebody will have one next year and we'll have to hear about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bird
    Yeh, but somebody will have one next year and we'll have to hear about it.
    And I'll bet half are sold through employee purchase. These things are eyecatching to anyone new to the sport. I'm not new, but I am I'm looking forward to my Enduro.

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    New question here.

    Strange that they've gone back to a remote Brain as in 2004's S-Works Enduro. That bike was pretty cool, but didn't prove popular enough for Spec to continue making them.

    I guess, as previously mentioned somewhere, the next logical step after ProPedal is the Brain shock. A 130mm Stumpy Brain would mate perfectly with the '06 TALAS XTT

    I just wish Spec would go for an uninterrupted seat tube design on their longer-travel bikes [a longer-travel Epic of some sort?] I've always wondered why they don't do a similar swing-link design of the Rocky Mountain Slayer, with the shock mounted under the top tube [but with a Horst-link of course]. It would approximate the current design but utilize an uninterrupted seat tube for slamming the seat down on more hairy descents. What do you guys think?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rigel
    Strange that they've gone back to a remote Brain as in 2004's S-Works Enduro. That bike was pretty cool, but didn't prove popular enough for Spec to continue making them.

    I guess, as previously mentioned somewhere, the next logical step after ProPedal is the Brain shock. A 130mm Stumpy Brain would mate perfectly with the '06 TALAS XTT

    I just wish Spec would go for an uninterrupted seat tube design on their longer-travel bikes [a longer-travel Epic of some sort?] I've always wondered why they don't do a similar swing-link design of the Rocky Mountain Slayer, with the shock mounted under the top tube [but with a Horst-link of course]. It would approximate the current design but utilize an uninterrupted seat tube for slamming the seat down on more hairy descents. What do you guys think?
    It would have the slam down advantage, but I would imagine there design is less stiff at the same weight given that the stays would have to be substantially longer. Even if that's not much of an issue - consider they made the current crazy seat tube because its "different." Speshy goes to great lengths for the high tech look for better or worse.

    As for the brain, I think it relates to a general aversion to "excessive" technology application...just too many tiny parts for something to go wrong. Since this Brain is supposed to be more propedal oriented as opposed to lock out I'm sure it will be more accepted. I would love to try one with the TTX fork, but doubt it would end up being the pick for me since I'm not a big speed demon. I also would distrust the Brain durability - its too much cash to have it break off on a crash, and I sadly have tended to crash lately.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kcavtca
    It would have the slam down advantage, but I would imagine there design is less stiff at the same weight given that the stays would have to be substantially longer.
    I figured that too.


    Quote Originally Posted by kcavtca
    Even if that's not much of an issue - consider they made the current crazy seat tube because its "different." Speshy goes to great lengths for the high tech look for better or worse.
    Yup. I just saw the vid on the Spec website with Rob Eggert [or was it Mike Sinyard?] saying their bikes are as much works of art as they are for riding. But Mike also said that looks don't mean anything if it doesn't work right.

    Quote Originally Posted by kcavtca
    As for the brain, I think it relates to a general aversion to "excessive" technology application...just too many tiny parts for something to go wrong. Since this Brain is supposed to be more propedal oriented as opposed to lock out I'm sure it will be more accepted. I would love to try one with the TTX fork, but doubt it would end up being the pick for me since I'm not a big speed demon.
    Maybe also the Brain actuation is different from conventional suspension [e.g. setting up for bunny hops] and many people are turned off by how it feels. Hopefully "Trail Tune" makes it better in that respect.


    Quote Originally Posted by kcavtca
    I also would distrust the Brain durability - its too much cash to have it break off on a crash, and I sadly have tended to crash lately.
    Which is why using the conventional shock mounting with a remote reservoir [as in the Enduro Brain and 06 Stumpy FSR] seems like a better idea than the Epic design, as far as shock placement is concerned. Although the reservoir is still quite vulnerable to crash damage
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    Quote Originally Posted by undertrained

    While we are on the subject of shocks, the '06 Enduro, while it chassis is unchanged, gets the new Fox DHX-Air damper that incorporates all of the adjustability of Fox's DH racing coil/over shock, with less than half the weight. Another addition to the Enduro is a dual-crankset with a Black Spire roller guide and a lightweight Specialized "bash guard." This has been long in coming--the Enduro is too heavy to take advantage of a 44-tooth chainring anyway. The modification puts the Enduro squarely in its intended realm as a big-drop machine that is trail capable. Fox "36" forks will show up on the top bike. The mid-priced Enduro has Marzocchi's six-inch single-crown slider and a less-expensive version of the Enduro will be offered with the Fox TALAS fork.


    scchhwweeeeeet...

    if that fork is a Z1 or 66 or some sort of variant, I'm selling a kidney and a lung
    phuck it!

    p.s. I NEED a Pugsley

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    I have the 04 Enduro with the brain and as far as crash damage it's pretty hard to do with the brain between the wheel and the seat stay, I would say it's just as likely to break off as your rear disc brake is.

    Also remember the trail tune brain is much different then the epic brain it is not an on or off thing like the epic. Once they are out take a test ride on a local trail before you judge how it works you might just be surprised.

    I am glad they are bringing the remote brain back as this will ensure should I break my frame or the brain fails that there will now be replacement parts available or I can switch to the SJ frame and not lose brain shock I have grown to love.
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    here are the pics of the SJ and Epic




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    Great

    That is great now I need to start saving so I can order a carbon 120 sworks.
    Anyone need their house painted or car washed?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Murchman
    I have the 04 Enduro with the brain and as far as crash damage it's pretty hard to do with the brain between the wheel and the seat stay, I would say it's just as likely to break off as your rear disc brake is.

    Also remember the trail tune brain is much different then the epic brain it is not an on or off thing like the epic. Once they are out take a test ride on a local trail before you judge how it works you might just be surprised.

    I am glad they are bringing the remote brain back as this will ensure should I break my frame or the brain fails that there will now be replacement parts available or I can switch to the SJ frame and not lose brain shock I have grown to love.
    I'm definitely going to get on one before I decide. I do have to say that the stumpy is a much more lively ride than an Enduro...you just can't do anything aggro on it and for all the money I'm spending (there can only be one bike), I'm having a hard time saying no to the beefy build. The 36 TALAS is so... damn nice. With a set of light wheels and dialed down fork, I wonder how different the Enduro and Stumpy would feel on singletrack - it would be a very fun comparison. I'm thinking if I went Enduro I would take my old XT hub, and a new 20mm and build a total XC wheel set. I could shave a full 2lbs of rotating weight!

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    niiice pics

    Thanks. They look crazy. Over the top maybe, but it elicit more oogles this year than any other.

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    Not bad looking! I was thinking about getting a StumpJumper 120 next year anyway. It says the Brain will be on the "top three" models, so hopefully that means the Pro and Expert models will have it and won't move off into the pricing stratosphere with the S-Works...

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    Here is a nice picture of how the brain is protected by the seat stay.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Murchman
    Here is a nice picture of how the brain is protected by the seat stay.

    That's how it's always been on the Epic and the 04 S-Works Enduro.

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    Yep I has just was pointing out how it looks cause someone mentioned it might get damaged in a crash but with the frame in front of it, it has some pretty good protection.

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    Also looks like the big "S" has sram rear deraileurs in the above photos.

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    Thanks!

    Thanks for the pictures now I want one even more!
    I guess I will wait till the 06' Stumpys' arrive to make my decision.'Very Nice!

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    $7000 is crazy for a bike, but that Stump is gorgeous. Wash a car, heck, I may just sell my liver!

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    As an owner of an '05 SJ 120 Pro, I gotta give my $.02:

    -I'm glad my frame is Aluminum! That new carbon Stumpy is sexy as s&*@, but I don't think I'm ready for carbon off-road, yet. (Road carbon? You bet.)

    -Brain on the Stumpy? Oh yes oh yes oh yes. Assuming that it pedals like I think it will, that's the perfect modification to an already-awesome bike. I think the one "flaw" with the 120 is that the Septune's firmest setting could be a bit firmer (for my taste); an adjustable Brain would blow it all away. This is great news.

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    So does the Specialized lifetime warranty on frames still apply to the carbon fiber ones? I've gotten some dents in my aluminum frame that are no big deal, but the same impact on a carbon frame might be enough to make it unsafe.
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    Impacts from rocks, trees, etc would not be covered under warranty just like it's not with a normal frame.

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    Hmmm very nice, so now I have to choose between a carbon hardtail, a more travel more adjustable Epic, or a more travel brain equipped stumpjumper? Tough choice. I like alot that the new epic can be tuned to softer and less locked out for days I'm not racing. Kinda was hoping the epic would be a bit lighter but a 2300g (if you believe that weight) 130mm travel fullie aint bad.
    What I DONT like is integrated headsets. They suck usually and what we can't use a chris king now? Oh and why didn't they bring that cool carbon road crankset to the mt bikes too?

    Thinking my next bike is going to be that Epic with one of those new Manitou R7 forks.... superlight!

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhsavery
    Hmmm very nice, so now I have to choose between a carbon hardtail, a more travel more adjustable Epic, or a more travel brain equipped stumpjumper? Tough choice. I like alot that the new epic can be tuned to softer and less locked out for days I'm not racing. Kinda was hoping the epic would be a bit lighter but a 2300g (if you believe that weight) 130mm travel fullie aint bad.
    What I DONT like is integrated headsets. They suck usually and what we can't use a chris king now? Oh and why didn't they bring that cool carbon road crankset to the mt bikes too?

    Thinking my next bike is going to be that Epic with one of those new Manitou R7 forks.... superlight!
    From what I read. I think the Epic does not have more travel, it is the SJ that does. I also think the SJ Brain Shock is rider controlled, does that still make it a Brain or a fancy Lockout system?

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    right, my bad the travel is up from 90mm to 100mm on the epic.
    Stumpthumper goes up from 120mm to 130mm.
    Both has esspentially the same brain shock which i agree, it does seem to blur the line a bit between the two. Whats exactly the point of having the two seperate models (other than the SJ has longer travel?)

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    Is the brain really that great???

    I'm not convinced. Does it really work as advertised? I'm also not gonna try out a carbon trail bike (at least not the first year). I love my stumpy 120 and the new one looks sweet too. Damn this hobby!!!

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    any news about the rear travel of the new enduro sxt?

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    Quote Originally Posted by drago
    any news about the rear travel of the new enduro sxt?
    Looks like a Fox DHX, not 100% sure though. That new SX is super sexy though!
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    Quote Originally Posted by drago
    any news about the rear travel of the new enduro sxt?
    THere's more discussion on it here
    Will any '06 Enduros have DHX-Air as OEM?

    Basically, the SXT has some sort of redesign that allows for 170mm rear travel using a DHX coil. There's more than one SXT, and the Trail I will come with DHX 5.0, and Vanilla 36 up front...gonne be a popular ride.

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    More pics...

    Just to add the pictures from the German Mountain Bike Magazine.

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    Amm, yes.

    Quote Originally Posted by Fassn8
    I'm not convinced. Does it really work as advertised? I'm also not gonna try out a carbon trail bike (at least not the first year). I love my stumpy 120 and the new one looks sweet too. Damn this hobby!!!
    For almost 3 years now people have been riding the Brain and saying it works as advertised.

    It's up to you to decide if you want that kind of technology, but it does work as advertised. I love mine! On a Stumpy? I'm pretty sure I'd have gone with that rather than an Epic if I had the option, but I'm not going to trade either 'cause I love my Epic.
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    Yep it definitely works, I was skeptical too at first, then realized I was getting up ridiculous technical climbs I never did before. Definitely would be cool on the longer travel stumpjumper, also you can turn the brain function off at will now too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhsavery
    Definitely would be cool on the longer travel stumpjumper, also you can turn the brain function off at will now too.
    Haven't been following the info on the new bikes yet... what is this about turning off the brain? How would this work, a valve on the hydro line? I am guessing it's a trail only option since I can't see too much use for it on the Epic.

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    Turn the blue dial on the top of the brain to adjust the bump force needed, this year they made it so when it's in the lowest setting the brain is turned off.

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    I think the brain shock works for riders over 160lbs. It didn't work for me since I am in light weight category of 130lbs. I didn't feel any small bump absorption with the brain at all.

    I prefer the stumpy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bhsavery
    right, my bad the travel is up from 90mm to 100mm on the epic.
    Stumpthumper goes up from 120mm to 130mm.
    Both has esspentially the same brain shock which i agree, it does seem to blur the line a bit between the two. Whats exactly the point of having the two seperate models (other than the SJ has longer travel?)

    Do all the Stumps go to 130, or just the S-Work and Brain equipped bikes?

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    Sweet bikes and Iove carbon BUT at 7000+ I don't think so. Just my 2 cents. I finally bought a 05 Epic Sworks for about 3000.

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    7k, eh?

    "The Carbon Epic with disc brakes will run near $7000"

    Dang!

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    Quote Originally Posted by anand
    Do all the Stumps go to 130, or just the S-Work and Brain equipped bikes?
    Carbon S-works Stumpie: 130 mm
    Alu S-works and other Stumpie's: 120 mm

    rapsac

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    $7000??? Holy cow, that's crazy! Especially considering you can get a top-of-the-line Yamaha YZ450F four stroke dirtbike for $6900. I mean, how does that balance out? The motorcycle has way more moving parts, way more parts to be machined in-house, and isn't mostly made of a bunch of parts that the bicycle companies buy pre-produced in mass bulk at cheap prices from other companies like derailleurs, shifters, etc. Why not just buy a bike with a motor on it for that price?

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    The new MBA has an article about that very subject i think it's the editoral piece. Pretty good reading and does make you think.

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    the epic is sexy as hel

    saw the bikes last weekend at the snowshoe norba race. the indeed were sharp bikes the womans ford team all had them

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