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    Camber EVO conversion

    Can I convert a standard 2013 camber to an evo model? I picked up a fox 34 29er on sale and was wondering if I can upgrade the rear suspension to the evo geometry as well?

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    It looks like the Evo gains it's extra travel by using a 197x51 shock vs. the 197x48 shock the standard model has. The 26" Stumpjumper also uses a 197x51 shock, so there are several options available.
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    From what I was told for my stumpy 26 you only need evo link. For the 29er stumpys you need evo link and chainstay. So I would assume you need same for 29er camber.

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    Did any of you guys get a straight answer on this? I'm also interested in converting a regular 2014 Camber to an Evo...

    Thanks!

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    Bump.... anyone do this yet?
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    A buddy of mine got the Cane Creek Double barrel inline designed for the Camber Evo and a 130mm Pike for his Camber Expert Carbon. He only has a few rides on it but LOVES it.
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    The stays, link, and shock are different. There is also a slight front triangle difference between the 2014 and 2015.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sugar_Brad View Post
    The stays, link, and shock are different. There is also a slight front triangle difference between the 2014 and 2015.
    I think the difference in geometry on the front triangle is just due to the increase in fork travel

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    from the frame geometry perspective the only difference is the shock adapter. Evo has shorter "arms" and evo logo

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    Is there anywhere online you can buy these parts?
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    Check out this thread:
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    2014 Specialized Camber Carbon Evo

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    Quote Originally Posted by themtbcat View Post
    I think the difference in geometry on the front triangle is just due to the increase in fork travel
    Not according to the warranty/tech guys in Salt Lake.

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    I guess that's the problem with zippers.

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    No way they slightly tweaked and made an all new $100k plus carbon mold to create the Camber Evo. They said the same exact crap with the Stumpjumper Evo when it came out. Turned out the front triangle was identical, the longer fork accounted for the slacker geo and the extra shock stoke accounted for the extra rear travel.
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    I was thinking of putting the 2015 monarch rt3 7.75x51 made for the evo on my 2013 camber comp. Would it fit without the link? Would the shock just be compressed a little because the stroke is longer? From what I understand the clevis is shorter on the evo shock allowing 10mm more travel. Correct me if I'm wrong but that causes the changes in Geo on the frame right?

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    Camber EVO conversion

    You need the link. I'm running the RT3 now.



    When I bought the RT3 I bought the last link in Specialized inventory. It's with the Fox listed above. I'll go down to $390 shipped on it all, it's basically new.


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    Camber EVO conversion

    Oh and the frames are the same.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Redaggie03 View Post
    You need the link. I'm running the RT3 now.

    With link, do you mean the clevis-mount connecting the shock to seatstay and frame-link OR the link that connects clevis and seatstay to the frame??? It's either or that has to be changed, not both I guess (plus the shock stroke of course). Put up a picture with an arrow to the right part so all we dummies understand.

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    Camber EVO conversion

    The 'wishbone' and shock :




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    Thank you! Why did you choose the monarch over the float? Looks?

    I would be interested in buying that Fox of yours but I live in a different part of the world and it could be difficult shipping it here. Got a friend coming to Arizona in January, maybe he could bring it home

    Probably easier to buy the monarch from an online store in Europe, as they are now hitting the shelves around here. Don't know if the wishbone is included but time will tell...

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    Camber EVO conversion

    I already sold the Fox, it's in Denmark now! I switched purely to go all black. I can't really tell that much difference between the two. There are little things like the 3-way setting switch I like better on the Monarch.


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    Has anyone tried to open the non-evo shock and checking if the stroke is somehow limited from 51mm to 48mm? Eye-to-eye lengths are the same. Would be nice if you could just disassemble it, take out the limiting part and have 120mm travel on your non-evo. Then if you wish to get the evo-geometry, get the wishbone too. If they have different tunes, that is a problem with the evolution shock.

    One would think they make only one shock at the factory that is then put on the evo as 197x51 and the one going on the non-evo is limited to 197x48 before bike assembly.

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    and how about fork? is it 120mm with 10mm spacer?

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    Camber EVO conversion

    Anyone converted their Camber recently?
    I just talked to my LBS today about this and the mechanic said he's actually done a few EVO conversions (including his and GFs bike) and he said he would get me a quote right away. When he went to pull the parts from Specialized he said the EVO links were not even listed anymore, as is they were not been sold anymore at all.

    Any similar stories out there? Anyone have actual part #'s I could tell them I search for?


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    I'm going to convert my 2014 Camber Comp Carbon to EVO this weekend. This bike has the FOX Float CTD O/C fork which can be extended (from stock 110mm to EVO geometry 120mm) by following the procedure shown here:
    2002-2012 & 2013 80 - 120 FLOAT/F-Series Travel Adjust

    I don't have the EVO link part number but the official description is:
    SHK EXT MY14 CAMBER SHOCK EXTENSION EVO BLACK
    (this should run you about 50-60 USD and is the only part you need for the frame - no seat or chain stay mods)

    I'm leaving the rear shock at 197x48 (110mm travel at the wheel) as it would require a rebuild (at fox service center) to up it to 197x51 (for the full 120mm travel that the EVO has). The rear shock has a "hockey puck" in it to reduce the stroke. To take this out, you'd have to fully depressurize the the damper and IFP. This is not something a normal shop can do and I don't believe FOX publishes the specs to do full rebuilds yourself.

    In the future I may upgrade to a Monarch as they do make one for 197x51mm that works with the specialized shock extension. I'll try to add some photos at a later date.

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    We have the same plans for the weekend. Cost me a bit more in Europe but I finally decided to make it happen:
    Camber EVO conversion-img_0860.jpg

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    About the stock fork, I removed some part from the air-spring but it was a white 10mm thick part, the fork is now 120mm and I hope it was the right part!! Should have taken a picture of the process. It's still a poor performing fork though in my opinion... I'll try to borrow a PIKE from my friend for testing with a proper fork, I'll report back after testing (if he lends it to me).

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    A lot of Stumpjumper owners have upgraded to Monarch Plus or Cane Creek inline shocks, so you can score 197x51 kashima CTD shocks for pretty cheap! My old shock is on a friends Camber comp, but he hasn't got the link yet.
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    With that he has a regular camber geometry with 120mm travel

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    I thought the Stumpjumper has the 195x48mm rear shocks?

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    The 29er has the 48mm stroke shock. The 26" has a 51mm.

    He is running a 130mm Pike up front, so the bike is a bit slacker than stock. He wants to ad the link to drop the BB and HT angle a bit more though!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Lynch View Post
    The 29er has the 48mm stroke shock. The 26" has a 51mm.

    He is running a 130mm Pike up front, so the bike is a bit slacker than stock. He wants to ad the link to drop the BB and HT angle a bit more though!
    I believe the i2i on those shocks is either 194 or 195mm. Running a shorter i2i with the non-EVO shock link will get you closer to the EVO geometry. In theory you could do the conversion without getting the EVO shock link if you got a shock with a smaller i2i (i.e., match the decrease in i2i from 197 with delta in length from the regular and evo links) and the 51mm stroke. I'll see if I can measure the two links and post the delta.

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    Correct. The shock from my bike was 194x51, so it does act similar to what the Evo link does.
    I run an offset pushing on my stumpjumper to get a similar effect.
    13 SJ Evo, 14 Aurum, 14 Fatboy, 15 P.3

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    Done. There's plenty of room still for the extra 3mm of stroke.Camber EVO conversion-img_0861.jpg

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    _tarzan,

    Where did you get the evo link from?

    I'm in the UK and trying to get hold of one, but not getting much help from a number of shops I've contacted about it.

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    From my LBS in Finland. They told me it was the last one in stock at Specialized Europe's warehouse. If you're using a hydration pack, one option is to get the 195x51mm Monarch plus with Specialized mount and then use an offset bushing, the difference between the evo- and regular link is roughly 5mm so that would get you close enough. Not the same though.

    Hopefully stutru will make a more accurate measurement... and like he said, the right description is: SHK EXT MY14 CAMBER SHOCK EXTENSION EVO BLACK

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    I got this info from a friend that did the conversion. Did not find anything online though.

    Shock extension evo black p/n- 5144200001 SKU- 8205.



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    I've been trying since last year to get an Evo link through my LBS. they look at me like I have 3 heads every time I bring it up. Thanks for that part number, at least they can look for something concrete now.

    Do they still actually produce this part? i'd pay double the price if someone wants to start making these things... 😉

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    Why wouldn't they produce it? I mean, if someone who actually bought an EVO breaks the link, it would be quite unfair to tell him that he needs to buy a new bike instead of one part...
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    Just made the conversion today. Went ahead and oriented the spacer to allow for 130mm in the fork. Following up from my earlier post, here are some photos of the different links compared. It appears there is about a 6mm difference between the links from my rough measurements.

    Camber EVO conversion-regularlink.jpgCamber EVO conversion-evolink.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by fefillo View Post
    Anyone converted their Camber recently?
    I just talked to my LBS today about this and the mechanic said he's actually done a few EVO conversions (including his and GFs bike) and he said he would get me a quote right away. When he went to pull the parts from Specialized he said the EVO links were not even listed anymore, as is they were not been sold anymore at all.

    Any similar stories out there? Anyone have actual part #'s I could tell them I search for?


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    I sent an email to our Specialized rep today to ask if they are available. Specialized's B2B site is still not showing any.
    I will let you know what he say's.

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    I just tried to order the link last week and the rep told my lbs they are not available for purchase right now the ones they have they need for warranty claims if u could get ur hands on a couple id love to buy one as well

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    Specialized item number S144200001 on the B2B site. Mine is on its way. Now to figure out which shock, Fox or RS????

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    Can anyone detail the install. I have the RT3 Monarch shock. Will the new yoke mount right up to it? My bike is a 2012 Camber Comp.

    The new shock really made a big difference. But I'd like to get more travel.

    ben

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    I just ordered the evo link yesterday specialized got a few in to sell to the public

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    Just came in today ordered the rear shock today should be here next friday along with the parts to make the for a 120mm cant wait

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    I got my evo comversion finished got the link and new rear shock on and the new air shaft and spacer removed in the fork the bike is amazing its perfect its a good xc/trail bike i love the way it rides

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