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    2014 SJ FSR S-Works is 1x11?

    Did I read this right? The 2014 SJ FSR S-Works is 1x11?

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    Why are you so surprised?

    I'd be surprised if it DID NOT have 1x11!
    I would be surprised if this is not the last year of the 26 in this line.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wherewolf View Post
    Did I read this right? The 2014 SJ FSR S-Works is 1x11?
    My wifes 2014 Stumpy Expert EVO came with SRAM XO 1x11, wicked bike too!

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    I wish it came out that way in 2013! i had to build mine up to get what they offer stock now!
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    Pretty excited about it. My wish was it would come with the SWAT stuff the Epic is getting.

    Wolf I enjoy your blog site. Keep it up bud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Lynch View Post
    I wish it came out that way in 2013! i had to build mine up to get what they offer stock now!
    Isn't that always the case?

    You get the bike with mostly the stuff that you want but then have to cut 'n paste parts to get the bike to where it should be in the first place. Then the next model year has it right!

    All my bikes are now front der free . . . as all mtn bikes should be!
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    Live in Kansas?

    You folks live in Kansas? I have 22 and 36 on my '12 SJ 29er and I use that 22 a lot. And I sometimes wish I had something bigger than 36 up front. My knees could not handle 1x11.


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    You are in a different league . . . more goat than human!

    For that kind of oxygen starved punishment, 4.5 mph average up and down, you might be faster walking up! And you want faster gearing for the descends?

    What is your typical and max descend speed on the trail?
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    Nope, Colorado

    I'm running 1x10, XX1 front ring, 32, 11-36 rear. All of our rides start at 6000ft +, climbs are not bad on my gearing, though I'm not riding 40+ miles on a regular basis as you have shown, though, if I rode our local 10 mile loop 4 times it would equal about 7800ft elevation gain

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    Our 15 mile loop in Michigan 4 times would net us 9000. Not bad for lack of mountain.
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    Slow

    Quote Originally Posted by CarManDSL View Post
    What is your typical and max descend speed on the trail?
    I have poor balance and I don't go very fast downhill. But on flat and/or rolling terrain I sometimes wish I had a slightly bigger ring up front. My backup 29er has 34 up front and that is way too small.

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    I have a 30t front on my Enduro and even when ripping down trails at Whistler I dont feel the need for a bigger front ring. I run a 32t xx1 setup on my stumpjumper and I like it way better than the 24/36 combo my last trail bike had.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Wherewolf View Post
    I have poor balance and I don't go very fast downhill. But on flat and/or rolling terrain I sometimes wish I had a slightly bigger ring up front. My backup 29er has 34 up front and that is way too small.
    On my '12 SJ 29 EVO, run 1x10 with 28 XX1 ring. On bigger fire road climbs I do find it tough on some climbs pedaling a slower cadence than ideal for the steepness. A 1x11 would be better with the 42 in back.

    For the descends, ripping single track flat out, I never run out of gear.


    On the SW Epic 29, run 1x11 with 32t. I can still pedal on flat paved road up to 40 km/h and can hit 65 on descending steeper paved roads. Can't imagine going anywhere near that on mtn fire roads or single track. For a race with sustained steeper climbs, I'd swap the ring out for the 28t. That gives me all the range I can use.
    28t @ 42 = .666 ratio. 22t @ 36 = .611 ratio. Just a half cog difference.

    I suspect you like to pedal a slower cadence that the so called most efficient 90/min.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Lynch View Post
    I have a 30t front on my Enduro and even when ripping down trails at Whistler I dont feel the need for a bigger front ring. I run a 32t xx1 setup on my stumpjumper and I like it way better than the 24/36 combo my last trail bike had.
    Agree.

    Rode Whistler Bike Park one day on the SJ 29 EVO and scared myself it was so fast! Flew to flat on so many jumps that I typically ride on the DH bike.
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    My calculations

    My current 2x10 has 22&36 front and 11-36 back. If I calculate correctly that gives me a range of 0.611 to 3.27?
    On the 2014 it appears you can get either a 30 or 32 front with 10x42 back. So that would give ranges of 0.714 to 3.0 and 0.761 to 3.2? I'd be giving up quite a bit on both ends. With my bad knees I need a really low granny gear for climbing.

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    Well the 1x11 is not for everyone. With those high elevation badass climbs you showed us earlier, you are probably best to stick to 2x10.

    Or, take one of those potions that Armstrong used!
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    2x11?

    My LBS thinks I could just add a front derailleur and two chain rings and run a 2x1. Do you think think would be possible? Conversion to 2x10 would be a major expense since so many components would have to be switched.

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    2x11 wont work. The xx1 RD doesnt work right when you change the angle up front.

    I dont see any reason to "downgrade" to a 2x10. I will never go back to a 2x or 3x setup. We have some HUGE climbs (4k+ over 6-8 miles) out here and I had no issues with my 1x11. With a 32t up front you get nearly as low as the granny gear on a 2x10 setup (24t-36t) and if you need more you can go as low as a 28t front ring with xx1. For most rides I run a 34t ring, but when I have big climbs I switch to a 32t. You can go up or down 1 ring size and not need to adjust the chain.

    A buddy of mine has an s-works Enduro 29er and he set his bike up for a 30t ring, but will drop to a 28t for big climbs, and up it to a 32t if he needs a bit more top end for fast smooth trails. The SW SJ should come with a 34t and a 32T ring, so you will have options.
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    Not everybody is the same

    Not everybody is the same, in age, strength, fitness, knee health, etc. as you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr. Lynch View Post
    2x11 wont work. The xx1 RD doesnt work right when you change the angle up front. . . . .
    I don't see why this wouldn't work.

    If the 2 rings are placed in the center of the chain line what is the issue? As well the 11 spd cassette is the same width as a 10 spd. When I examined the 1099 cassette next to the XX1, the cuts and ramps looked the same.

    Do you have a 2x that you can swap out and try? You don't need to install the front der and shifters for this test, just the 2 rings. Test the chain line under stress and shift the rear through all its gears. Then manually shift the front to the other ring and do the same test. If it works to your satisfaction, install the front der and shifter.
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    S-Works

    I would be buying an S-Works, which is already pretty expensive. So I'd have to be sure the 2x11 conversion would work. Otherwise it would cost a lot to switch everything to a 2x10.

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    You would also need to ensure that the model you would be getting has the front der mounts. The 2014 SW Epic World Cup for example, has no provision for a front der.

    With an SW on the table, the bike weight will be reduced as well. I suggest trying a bike with 1x11 before you go to all the trouble. You might find it works better than your knees thought possible!
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    Quote Originally Posted by CarManDSL View Post
    You would also need to ensure that the model you would be getting has the front der mounts..... I suggest trying a bike with 1x11 before you go to all the trouble. You might find it works better than your knees thought possible!
    Mounts are there. I'd try the 1x11 first but if it didn't work out I need to know how much converting to 2x10 would set me back. It appears you can get either a 30 or 32 up front. So below are the comparison between my current setup and for a 30 using Sheldon Brown's site. I use my granny gear a lot.


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    2014 SJ FSR S-Works is 1x11?

    With 1x11 it sounds like you'd need a 28 tooth front chainring (available for SRAM XX1), either by changing the S-Works crank spider or fitting a new chainset.

    http://www.sram.com/sram/mountain/pr...hain-rings-xx1

    That change gets you a bit closer to the 22x36 bottom gear of your current bike.

    With a 700x56 29er tyre the bottom gear 28x42 would be 4.6mph @80rpm, compared to the 22x36 which would be 4.2mph @ 80rpm

    With a 700x56 29er tyre the top gear 28x10 would be 19.4mph @80rpm, compared to the 36x11 which would be 22.7mph @80rpm

    http://sheldonbrown.com/gears/index.html

    What you could also do to lower the gearing would be to fit narrower tyres. (29x2.1" instead of the stock 29x2.3" tyres) By fitting a narrower tyre with a smaller circumference it reduces the gearing further, which would give a slightly lower bottom gear for climbing.

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    Front der, rings and shifter are the inexpensive parts. (I could send you the unused set from my 2012 SJ 29er EVO if you need. Same mounts as 2014 SW SJ.)

    Looks like the 2014 SW SJ's have the same cranks as my 2011 SW Epic cranks. If it does, I have the spider and all the parts you'll need. (2014's SW Epics have a new crank style and not sure if the spider is a different mount.)

    That was easy!
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