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    2013 S-Works Epic SRAM

    Santa Claus came a little earlier and bring me a new race machine...

    -SW Epic, M
    -XX1 with trigger (32, 34, 36 chainrings)
    -Syntace bar (Duraflite 630mm, carbon) & Stem (F109, 100mm), ESI Racer Edge grips, Extralite Cyberends
    -Magura MT8 with Srub Raceday rotors + ti bolts
    -AX lightness Daedalus seatpost + Selle SLR XC saddle + Carbon-Ti X-clamp 3 seat collar
    -Roval Control SL 29 142+ wheelset, Tune DC17 Quick Release, front
    -Crank Brothers Eggbeater 11
    -some ti-bolts...

    BR,
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    Nice bike and great bike shop (my dealer )

    Weight?

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    Really nice bike. Are you sure about need of barends? I had a 29er ht testbike for 1 week with a 680 mm bar which was very comfortable and will also use the same setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirkinho View Post
    Nice bike and great bike shop (my dealer )

    Weight?
    Also my dealer

    Best regards
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    mtbmarcus? Moinsen!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirkinho View Post
    mtbmarcus? Moinsen!
    Yes!

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    The most important info.... How much weight this feather?

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    Sweet build... good pictures. Like others, what does she weigh?

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    Thanks guys!

    ...and the weight is 9.2 kg with pedals = race ready set up.

    Yes, great bike shop. There is a family portray... all the bikes powered by Bernd

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    Nice family. Mine is a little smaller (still with the old Epic):


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    Nasty

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    Haha.... looks like she will be a welcome addition to that family.

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    9.2 kg? is that not a mistake?
    I have a 2012 sworks epic with a tune seatpost, very light saddle, the same pedals and 8g grips and the bike is 10.05kg (size L). is this possible that your bike is full 850g lighter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by madhead View Post
    9.2 kg? is that not a mistake?
    I have a 2012 sworks epic with a tune seatpost, very light saddle, the same pedals and 8g grips and the bike is 10.05kg (size L). is this possible that your bike is full 850g lighter?
    I think so - it's not a stock build by any means.

    He's running a S or M frame (given the "gussetless" top tube), so a bit of savings over your L size.

    Photos show a 1X setup (unless I'm missing something), so some great savings there as well.

    The rest could be saved via the tires and a bit more via the Ti bolts.



    BTW, great bike PanuV. Excellent selection of components.

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    Very impressive weight! I've got the same bike on order and can't wait to get it. How are you liking the XX1?

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    I have the same tires as he does, tubeless, the frame size is minor weight saving as well as the front derailleur is maybe what, 200 grams? Titanium bolts are meaningless, still far from 850g difference

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    Quote Originally Posted by madhead View Post
    I have the same tires as he does, tubeless, the frame size is minor weight saving as well as the front derailleur is maybe what, 200 grams? Titanium bolts are meaningless, still far from 850g difference
    Fair points, and agreed the Ti bolts amount to maybe 20g across the whole bike.

    He also loses the small chainring and shifter (and cable) though. Assuming you're running XTR with i-Spec, that's another 95-100g and whatever the small XTR chainring amounts to.

    Maybe still not enough to hit 850g. (?)

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    my bike is sram xx not xtr,
    I checked the weights online,
    front derailleur from sram xx is 112g
    shifter is 92g
    cables probably around 20g
    the sram xx double chainring for spec is 178g, one of the biggest chainrings for XX1 is 58g (34 tooth), this is a saving of 120g (major!!!)


    so total weight advantage of xx1 would be around 344g, still far from 850g weight difference.
    I weighted my bike on a park tool hanging scale

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    oh I just noticed he has some custom brake disks, I have the brake disks from sram, any idea about the weight difference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by madhead View Post
    oh I just noticed he has some custom brake disks, I have the brake disks from sram, any idea about the weight difference?
    Relax, 10.2 is fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by madhead View Post
    my bike is sram xx not xtr,
    I checked the weights online,
    front derailleur from sram xx is 112g
    shifter is 92g
    cables probably around 20g
    the sram xx double chainring for spec is 178g, one of the biggest chainrings for XX1 is 58g (34 tooth), this is a saving of 120g (major!!!)


    so total weight advantage of xx1 would be around 344g, still far from 850g weight difference.
    I weighted my bike on a park tool hanging scale
    You missed a few things.
    XX double @ 178 includes the spider, but 58g for a 34t does not include the spider.
    XX1 Cassette/freehub is 50g heavier and rear derailleur is 60g heavier.

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    @madhead: 9.2 is realistic. My 2011 26" Epic was at 8.9 kg. If you change over to 29" only the wheels incl. tyres are heavier. So 9.2 kg is ok. Please post a detailed list of components then we can tell you the reason for weight differences.

    @PanuV: looks like you can use a straight seatpost. Also it would be lighter than your current one. And please add a partlist including weights, ok?
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    Agree, mine is 10,04 kg as well. I see max. 350 g for myself toshave off mine.

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    Nice bike!

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    I also can´t believe the weight.
    Here is my epic. Weight is 8.98kg. My weight shows the same like my part-list.

    Best regards
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    Different color came in to the shop today.

    Not mine (unfortunately) but my 10 year old son approves.


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    Nice, was looking at the 2012 in same color but I am even happier with the team version in black/red!

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    Quote Originally Posted by epicbiker View Post
    I also can´t believe the weight.
    Here is my epic. Weight is 8.98kg. My weight shows the same like my part-list.

    Best regards
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    Damn, thanks for the inspiration. I need to talk to my wife

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    She is chubby...;)

    First of all sorry not couldn´t answer earlier, a busy, busy busy week in work…

    You guys are absolutely right. She does not weight 9.2. Kg! I made measurements in a terrible hurry with my old fish scale (didn´t even own any digital one... I prefer training & racing, not having any partlist with weights, sorry)

    The feedback bothered me so badly that I went last evening to hardware store and buy a new digital scale… The result? 9.39kg. So, she is chubby…
    My deepest apologies I gave you invalid information! That was not intention.


    All the best & have a nice Christmas!
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    puh, almost a downhiller ;-)

    Great weight anyway - have fun in the snow with it (at least today!)

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    As i said - realistic

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    Quote Originally Posted by FastZR1 View Post
    Different color came in to the shop today.

    Not mine (unfortunately) but my 10 year old son approves.

    I wanted that color but it was NOT available at the time of my purchase. Guess I'll settle for the satin carbon look.
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    Panu Bikes

    Quote Originally Posted by PanuV View Post
    Santa Claus came a little earlier and bring me a new race machine...

    -SW Epic, M
    -XX1 with trigger (32, 34, 36 chainrings)
    -Syntace bar (Duraflite 630mm, carbon) & Stem (F109, 100mm), ESI Racer Edge grips, Extralite Cyberends
    -Magura MT8 with Srub Raceday rotors + ti bolts
    -AX lightness Daedalus seatpost + Selle SLR XC saddle + Carbon-Ti X-clamp 3 seat collar
    -Roval Control SL 29 142+ wheelset, Tune DC17 Quick Release, front
    -Crank Brothers Eggbeater 11
    -some ti-bolts...

    BR,
    Panu
    Panu,

    Come and show to Brazilians fans your dream machines at weightweeniesbrasil.com.br

    I prefer Cannondale, but your bikes really me hehehehe

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    Mine without pedals is 8.920 kg is 2012 originally it was shimano, now is XX1, carbon ti integrated chainring, mcfk seatpost and handlebar, extralite titanium bolts, magura mt8 brakes with formula 160 mm rotors, aluminium m6 bolts, tubless setup, syntace x12, and carbon ti qr


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    Thats quite nice - are there any problems regarding the integrated chainring? I am also interested in buying one and i think there are even versions available where a smaller chainring can be mounted at the large one. But you save the spider. Are you satisfied with that ring? How is shifting speed/quality?

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    Quote Originally Posted by S-Worker View Post
    Thats quite nice - are there any problems regarding the integrated chainring? I am also interested in buying one and i think there are even versions available where a smaller chainring can be mounted at the large one. But you save the spider. Are you satisfied with that ring? How is shifting speed/quality?

    Hola S-worker, I can not answer your question, I have finished the bike yesterday, and have not used yet, this week I will try and let you know.

    Thanks!

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    Dang some sick bikes on this tread... MarcoL I'm digging that spider-less chain ring on the s works crank..

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    @MarcoL
    Nice bike! Do you have a picture that shows the complete bike?
    Do you have the weight of the MT8. Only levers and calipers without bolts, adapter etc.

    Best regards
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    Marcus,

    No I do not have pictures on the mt8 but here is the crankset. 2013 S-Works Epic SRAM-imageuploadedbytapatalk1356275319.953820.jpg

    And with my fat bike:

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    2013 S-Works Epic SRAM-imageuploadedbytapatalk1356275460.886671.jpg

    It is impressive how the xx1 low the weight the carbon ti chainring it is very good I put 4000 Kilometers on that one ( it had an double xx ) and when removed was almost new,

    I finally finished the complete overhauling of this bike,

    I had the idea of Ashima ai2 rotors but I do not know, i could drop another 60 grams, formulas works great and the other are the hope "race" not very sure, I still have the scrubs but in long descents are noisy.

    Marcus, let me tell you that your bike was the inspiration I do not know if I should go with a low weight wheel set..

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    Perhaps i will buy a wheelset like this Laufradsatz 29" Extralite HyperHubs | Duke "Lucky Jack" | 1.250g, 1.8
    I think that´s the only thing i will change. The rest fits me perfect!

    Bye
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    This thread makes my S-Works look like crap now. Gee, thanks guys!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcoL View Post
    Mine without pedals is 8.920 kg is 2012 originally it was shimano, now is XX1, carbon ti integrated chainring, mcfk seatpost and handlebar, extralite titanium bolts, magura mt8 brakes with formula 160 mm rotors, aluminium m6 bolts, tubless setup, syntace x12, and carbon ti qr
    I had a Extralite Ultrastem OC stem on my Epic for a bit. What I was finding is that with "wide" 660mm bars the Extralite stem was flexing quite a lot under load, such as when climbing uphill. It was ok when I had 580mm handlebars but with the added leverage of the wider handlebar the stem was visibly moving. The ends of the handlebars would rock up and down in time.

    I switched the stem out for a Ritchey WCS260 carbonmatrix stem. It's a few grams heavier (Extralite Ultrastem OC 100mm claimed weight 85g, Ritchey WCS260 carbonmatrix stem 100mm claimed weight 115g) but the Ritchey stem does come with steel bolts which could be replaced with titanium to lighten it more.

    Ritchey Logic - Mountain - Stems - WCS Carbon Matrix C260

    The stiffer stem gives a noticeably stiffer handlebar to lever against with your upper body when climbing. I'd say it maybe also helps a little with cornering also. For the small weight gain I felt it was a worthwhile improvement to have.

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    Wr304,

    Which handlebar are you using?
    Ritchey products are very good, will try one of those in my fatbike, I have not experimented such flex, maybe your riding is much more agressive than mine, or I did not perceived it. I have used it for about a year...

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    Hi marco,

    perhaps you will find time to weight your front brake As i said. Without disc, adapters and adapter-bolts.

    Happy christmas
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcoL View Post
    Wr304,

    Which handlebar are you using?
    Ritchey products are very good, will try one of those in my fatbike, I have not experimented such flex, maybe your riding is much more agressive than mine, or I did not perceived it. I have used it for about a year...

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    It's a Ritchey Superlogic 10D carbon flat bar (620mm width but with the Specialized ergonomic grips outboard for an actual bar width of 660mm).

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    The extra backsweep seems to help use your biceps more also. It's something that's difficult to quantify how much it adds but I quite like. I was meaning to try some alt bars too with even more backsweep but didn't get around to it.

    My current wheels for the next six months or so have plenty of backsweep on the grips. Having a basket on the front is handy too for carrying food.. I'd much rather be putting more miles on the Epic instead though.

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/ztu7ps5iyazaxpe/basket.jpg

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    Speaking of bars, I forgot to ask the OP something based on his setup...

    The photos show bar ends. My understanding is that with a carbon bar you must use a metal insert at the end of each side, i.e. it fits into the end of both bars.

    PanuV - is that the case here? Just curious - I doubt they'd weigh that much anyway.

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    @phlegm: that's the Case, You need Bar plugs when using Carbon bars with Bar ends. Mine are Syntace CRB bar plugs, 14g/pair.

    @S-Worker: thank You for your tips. I still prefer bars with Bar ends - kind a "old scholl XC guy" but, let' see because current Bar is widest one I have had... Before I have had Syntace 600mm. With seatback (25mm offset) seatpost I get the best position for me (some back problems), with every Bike I have 55,0 cm from the nose of the saddle to middle of stem.

    @cityloopcycles: Have not got change to test my new bike, because of severe winter here In Finland... -10-15C... Or I'm not willing to drive full sus Bike In such cold. I do have cyclocross for winter training. But that's very interesting question what is the best gearing for XCO or XCM races? 34, 36? ...Of course depending on venue... That Carbon-Ti X-Monoring what @MarcoL is running is a very fascinating option - with 35 teeth!

    @Chris Grechi: Thank You for invitation. There was great bikes on Your Brazilian site!
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    Yes! Will do!

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    As promised.2013 S-Works Epic SRAM-imageuploadedbytapatalk1356470570.040570.jpg2013 S-Works Epic SRAM-imageuploadedbytapatalk1356470631.223664.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by WR304 View Post
    It's a Ritchey Superlogic 10D carbon flat bar (620mm width but with the Specialized ergonomic grips outboard for an actual bar width of 660mm).

    2012 Epic 29er Picture Thread

    The extra backsweep seems to help use your biceps more also. It's something that's difficult to quantify how much it adds but I quite like. I was meaning to try some alt bars too with even more backsweep but didn't get around to it.

    My current wheels for the next six months or so have plenty of backsweep on the grips. Having a basket on the front is handy too for carrying food.. I'd much rather be putting more miles on the Epic instead though.

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/ztu7ps5iyazaxpe/basket.jpg
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