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    2013 S-Works Epic SRAM

    Santa Claus came a little earlier and bring me a new race machine...

    -SW Epic, M
    -XX1 with trigger (32, 34, 36 chainrings)
    -Syntace bar (Duraflite 630mm, carbon) & Stem (F109, 100mm), ESI Racer Edge grips, Extralite Cyberends
    -Magura MT8 with Srub Raceday rotors + ti bolts
    -AX lightness Daedalus seatpost + Selle SLR XC saddle + Carbon-Ti X-clamp 3 seat collar
    -Roval Control SL 29 142+ wheelset, Tune DC17 Quick Release, front
    -Crank Brothers Eggbeater 11
    -some ti-bolts...

    BR,
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    Nice bike and great bike shop (my dealer )

    Weight?

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    Really nice bike. Are you sure about need of barends? I had a 29er ht testbike for 1 week with a 680 mm bar which was very comfortable and will also use the same setup.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirkinho View Post
    Nice bike and great bike shop (my dealer )

    Weight?
    Also my dealer

    Best regards
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    mtbmarcus? Moinsen!

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    Quote Originally Posted by dirkinho View Post
    mtbmarcus? Moinsen!
    Yes!

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    The most important info.... How much weight this feather?

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    Sweet build... good pictures. Like others, what does she weigh?

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    Thanks guys!

    ...and the weight is 9.2 kg with pedals = race ready set up.

    Yes, great bike shop. There is a family portray... all the bikes powered by Bernd

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    Nice family. Mine is a little smaller (still with the old Epic):


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    Nasty

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    Haha.... looks like she will be a welcome addition to that family.

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    9.2 kg? is that not a mistake?
    I have a 2012 sworks epic with a tune seatpost, very light saddle, the same pedals and 8g grips and the bike is 10.05kg (size L). is this possible that your bike is full 850g lighter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by madhead View Post
    9.2 kg? is that not a mistake?
    I have a 2012 sworks epic with a tune seatpost, very light saddle, the same pedals and 8g grips and the bike is 10.05kg (size L). is this possible that your bike is full 850g lighter?
    I think so - it's not a stock build by any means.

    He's running a S or M frame (given the "gussetless" top tube), so a bit of savings over your L size.

    Photos show a 1X setup (unless I'm missing something), so some great savings there as well.

    The rest could be saved via the tires and a bit more via the Ti bolts.



    BTW, great bike PanuV. Excellent selection of components.

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    Very impressive weight! I've got the same bike on order and can't wait to get it. How are you liking the XX1?

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    I have the same tires as he does, tubeless, the frame size is minor weight saving as well as the front derailleur is maybe what, 200 grams? Titanium bolts are meaningless, still far from 850g difference

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    Quote Originally Posted by madhead View Post
    I have the same tires as he does, tubeless, the frame size is minor weight saving as well as the front derailleur is maybe what, 200 grams? Titanium bolts are meaningless, still far from 850g difference
    Fair points, and agreed the Ti bolts amount to maybe 20g across the whole bike.

    He also loses the small chainring and shifter (and cable) though. Assuming you're running XTR with i-Spec, that's another 95-100g and whatever the small XTR chainring amounts to.

    Maybe still not enough to hit 850g. (?)

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    my bike is sram xx not xtr,
    I checked the weights online,
    front derailleur from sram xx is 112g
    shifter is 92g
    cables probably around 20g
    the sram xx double chainring for spec is 178g, one of the biggest chainrings for XX1 is 58g (34 tooth), this is a saving of 120g (major!!!)


    so total weight advantage of xx1 would be around 344g, still far from 850g weight difference.
    I weighted my bike on a park tool hanging scale

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    oh I just noticed he has some custom brake disks, I have the brake disks from sram, any idea about the weight difference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by madhead View Post
    oh I just noticed he has some custom brake disks, I have the brake disks from sram, any idea about the weight difference?
    Relax, 10.2 is fine.
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    Quote Originally Posted by madhead View Post
    my bike is sram xx not xtr,
    I checked the weights online,
    front derailleur from sram xx is 112g
    shifter is 92g
    cables probably around 20g
    the sram xx double chainring for spec is 178g, one of the biggest chainrings for XX1 is 58g (34 tooth), this is a saving of 120g (major!!!)


    so total weight advantage of xx1 would be around 344g, still far from 850g weight difference.
    I weighted my bike on a park tool hanging scale
    You missed a few things.
    XX double @ 178 includes the spider, but 58g for a 34t does not include the spider.
    XX1 Cassette/freehub is 50g heavier and rear derailleur is 60g heavier.

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    @madhead: 9.2 is realistic. My 2011 26" Epic was at 8.9 kg. If you change over to 29" only the wheels incl. tyres are heavier. So 9.2 kg is ok. Please post a detailed list of components then we can tell you the reason for weight differences.

    @PanuV: looks like you can use a straight seatpost. Also it would be lighter than your current one. And please add a partlist including weights, ok?
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    Agree, mine is 10,04 kg as well. I see max. 350 g for myself toshave off mine.

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    Nice bike!

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    I also can´t believe the weight.
    Here is my epic. Weight is 8.98kg. My weight shows the same like my part-list.

    Best regards
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    Different color came in to the shop today.

    Not mine (unfortunately) but my 10 year old son approves.


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    Nice, was looking at the 2012 in same color but I am even happier with the team version in black/red!

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    Quote Originally Posted by epicbiker View Post
    I also can´t believe the weight.
    Here is my epic. Weight is 8.98kg. My weight shows the same like my part-list.

    Best regards
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    Damn, thanks for the inspiration. I need to talk to my wife

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    She is chubby...;)

    First of all sorry not couldn´t answer earlier, a busy, busy busy week in work…

    You guys are absolutely right. She does not weight 9.2. Kg! I made measurements in a terrible hurry with my old fish scale (didn´t even own any digital one... I prefer training & racing, not having any partlist with weights, sorry)

    The feedback bothered me so badly that I went last evening to hardware store and buy a new digital scale… The result? 9.39kg. So, she is chubby…
    My deepest apologies I gave you invalid information! That was not intention.


    All the best & have a nice Christmas!
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    puh, almost a downhiller ;-)

    Great weight anyway - have fun in the snow with it (at least today!)

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    As i said - realistic

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    Quote Originally Posted by FastZR1 View Post
    Different color came in to the shop today.

    Not mine (unfortunately) but my 10 year old son approves.

    I wanted that color but it was NOT available at the time of my purchase. Guess I'll settle for the satin carbon look.
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    Panu Bikes

    Quote Originally Posted by PanuV View Post
    Santa Claus came a little earlier and bring me a new race machine...

    -SW Epic, M
    -XX1 with trigger (32, 34, 36 chainrings)
    -Syntace bar (Duraflite 630mm, carbon) & Stem (F109, 100mm), ESI Racer Edge grips, Extralite Cyberends
    -Magura MT8 with Srub Raceday rotors + ti bolts
    -AX lightness Daedalus seatpost + Selle SLR XC saddle + Carbon-Ti X-clamp 3 seat collar
    -Roval Control SL 29 142+ wheelset, Tune DC17 Quick Release, front
    -Crank Brothers Eggbeater 11
    -some ti-bolts...

    BR,
    Panu
    Panu,

    Come and show to Brazilians fans your dream machines at weightweeniesbrasil.com.br

    I prefer Cannondale, but your bikes really me hehehehe

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    Mine without pedals is 8.920 kg is 2012 originally it was shimano, now is XX1, carbon ti integrated chainring, mcfk seatpost and handlebar, extralite titanium bolts, magura mt8 brakes with formula 160 mm rotors, aluminium m6 bolts, tubless setup, syntace x12, and carbon ti qr


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    Thats quite nice - are there any problems regarding the integrated chainring? I am also interested in buying one and i think there are even versions available where a smaller chainring can be mounted at the large one. But you save the spider. Are you satisfied with that ring? How is shifting speed/quality?

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    Quote Originally Posted by S-Worker View Post
    Thats quite nice - are there any problems regarding the integrated chainring? I am also interested in buying one and i think there are even versions available where a smaller chainring can be mounted at the large one. But you save the spider. Are you satisfied with that ring? How is shifting speed/quality?

    Hola S-worker, I can not answer your question, I have finished the bike yesterday, and have not used yet, this week I will try and let you know.

    Thanks!

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    Dang some sick bikes on this tread... MarcoL I'm digging that spider-less chain ring on the s works crank..

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    @MarcoL
    Nice bike! Do you have a picture that shows the complete bike?
    Do you have the weight of the MT8. Only levers and calipers without bolts, adapter etc.

    Best regards
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    Marcus,

    No I do not have pictures on the mt8 but here is the crankset. 2013 S-Works Epic SRAM-imageuploadedbytapatalk1356275319.953820.jpg

    And with my fat bike:

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    It is impressive how the xx1 low the weight the carbon ti chainring it is very good I put 4000 Kilometers on that one ( it had an double xx ) and when removed was almost new,

    I finally finished the complete overhauling of this bike,

    I had the idea of Ashima ai2 rotors but I do not know, i could drop another 60 grams, formulas works great and the other are the hope "race" not very sure, I still have the scrubs but in long descents are noisy.

    Marcus, let me tell you that your bike was the inspiration I do not know if I should go with a low weight wheel set..

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    Perhaps i will buy a wheelset like this Laufradsatz 29" Extralite HyperHubs | Duke "Lucky Jack" | 1.250g, 1.8
    I think that´s the only thing i will change. The rest fits me perfect!

    Bye
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    This thread makes my S-Works look like crap now. Gee, thanks guys!

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcoL View Post
    Mine without pedals is 8.920 kg is 2012 originally it was shimano, now is XX1, carbon ti integrated chainring, mcfk seatpost and handlebar, extralite titanium bolts, magura mt8 brakes with formula 160 mm rotors, aluminium m6 bolts, tubless setup, syntace x12, and carbon ti qr
    I had a Extralite Ultrastem OC stem on my Epic for a bit. What I was finding is that with "wide" 660mm bars the Extralite stem was flexing quite a lot under load, such as when climbing uphill. It was ok when I had 580mm handlebars but with the added leverage of the wider handlebar the stem was visibly moving. The ends of the handlebars would rock up and down in time.

    I switched the stem out for a Ritchey WCS260 carbonmatrix stem. It's a few grams heavier (Extralite Ultrastem OC 100mm claimed weight 85g, Ritchey WCS260 carbonmatrix stem 100mm claimed weight 115g) but the Ritchey stem does come with steel bolts which could be replaced with titanium to lighten it more.

    Ritchey Logic - Mountain - Stems - WCS Carbon Matrix C260

    The stiffer stem gives a noticeably stiffer handlebar to lever against with your upper body when climbing. I'd say it maybe also helps a little with cornering also. For the small weight gain I felt it was a worthwhile improvement to have.

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    Wr304,

    Which handlebar are you using?
    Ritchey products are very good, will try one of those in my fatbike, I have not experimented such flex, maybe your riding is much more agressive than mine, or I did not perceived it. I have used it for about a year...

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    Hi marco,

    perhaps you will find time to weight your front brake As i said. Without disc, adapters and adapter-bolts.

    Happy christmas
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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcoL View Post
    Wr304,

    Which handlebar are you using?
    Ritchey products are very good, will try one of those in my fatbike, I have not experimented such flex, maybe your riding is much more agressive than mine, or I did not perceived it. I have used it for about a year...

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    It's a Ritchey Superlogic 10D carbon flat bar (620mm width but with the Specialized ergonomic grips outboard for an actual bar width of 660mm).

    2012 Epic 29er Picture Thread

    The extra backsweep seems to help use your biceps more also. It's something that's difficult to quantify how much it adds but I quite like. I was meaning to try some alt bars too with even more backsweep but didn't get around to it.

    My current wheels for the next six months or so have plenty of backsweep on the grips. Having a basket on the front is handy too for carrying food.. I'd much rather be putting more miles on the Epic instead though.

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/ztu7ps5iyazaxpe/basket.jpg

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    Speaking of bars, I forgot to ask the OP something based on his setup...

    The photos show bar ends. My understanding is that with a carbon bar you must use a metal insert at the end of each side, i.e. it fits into the end of both bars.

    PanuV - is that the case here? Just curious - I doubt they'd weigh that much anyway.

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    @phlegm: that's the Case, You need Bar plugs when using Carbon bars with Bar ends. Mine are Syntace CRB bar plugs, 14g/pair.

    @S-Worker: thank You for your tips. I still prefer bars with Bar ends - kind a "old scholl XC guy" but, let' see because current Bar is widest one I have had... Before I have had Syntace 600mm. With seatback (25mm offset) seatpost I get the best position for me (some back problems), with every Bike I have 55,0 cm from the nose of the saddle to middle of stem.

    @cityloopcycles: Have not got change to test my new bike, because of severe winter here In Finland... -10-15C... Or I'm not willing to drive full sus Bike In such cold. I do have cyclocross for winter training. But that's very interesting question what is the best gearing for XCO or XCM races? 34, 36? ...Of course depending on venue... That Carbon-Ti X-Monoring what @MarcoL is running is a very fascinating option - with 35 teeth!

    @Chris Grechi: Thank You for invitation. There was great bikes on Your Brazilian site!
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    Yes! Will do!

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    As promised.2013 S-Works Epic SRAM-imageuploadedbytapatalk1356470570.040570.jpg2013 S-Works Epic SRAM-imageuploadedbytapatalk1356470631.223664.jpg

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    Quote Originally Posted by WR304 View Post
    It's a Ritchey Superlogic 10D carbon flat bar (620mm width but with the Specialized ergonomic grips outboard for an actual bar width of 660mm).

    2012 Epic 29er Picture Thread

    The extra backsweep seems to help use your biceps more also. It's something that's difficult to quantify how much it adds but I quite like. I was meaning to try some alt bars too with even more backsweep but didn't get around to it.

    My current wheels for the next six months or so have plenty of backsweep on the grips. Having a basket on the front is handy too for carrying food.. I'd much rather be putting more miles on the Epic instead though.

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/ztu7ps5iyazaxpe/basket.jpg
    injured?

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    Quote Originally Posted by PanuV
    But that's very interesting question what is the best gearing for XCO or XCM races? 34, 36? ...Of course depending on venue... That Carbon-Ti X-Monoring what @MarcoL is running is a very fascinating option - with 35 teeth!
    The standard SRAM XX1 chainrings only come in even numbered chainring sizes because alternate teeth are shaped to mesh with the 11speed SRAM XX1 chain. Along with taller chainring teeth this is designed to keep the chain on the front chainring without using a chain guide when riding over bumpy ground.





    The Carbon-Ti rings appear to be standard teeth so you might find that the chain will come off the front chainring more frequently with a non Sram XX1 chainring. A chain guide is more likely to be required with the Carbon-Ti rings which might cancel out any weight savings from them.

    SRAM XX1: Component Development And Details - BikeRadar


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    injured?
    When I crashed in August it turns out that I badly fractured my left femur (in the same place as several years previously also). To try and make it bond I had an operation to have an external fixator put on 20 December 2012. With luck the bone will heal but it's looking like it could be at least another 6 months off the bike before it's fixed.

    https://www.dropbox.com/s/247d4yfilg...3-12-2012.jpeg

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    WR304,

    Sorry to know you are injured, get well soon,
    regarding the Chainrings, I know that the carbon ti does not have the same configuration as the sram, but, they are much higher than the xx they replace, I am not very sure, but I think the extremely high tension on the RD spring keeps the chain in place.. not very sure, I have to field test.- that is the real thing, and I am not very sure...

    Unfortunately I do not have a XX chainring in here to take a pic and compare...
    will take more pics with the chain installed


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    it seems they are high, but not very sure if this is enough, have to field test, maybe tomorrow


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    From the Bikeradar article there's a list of manufacturers who currently offer Sram XX1 compatible freehubs here:

    SRAM XD Driver Body

    Probably the lightest hub option would be a Tune Kong XX1 rear hub which is supposed to be available in January 2013.

    Tune XX1 hubs | Enduro Mountainbike Magazine

    Something like these Duke 29er carbon clincher wheels (claimed weight 1175g in 28 hole) would be lighter than the stock Roval wheels. That's with 300g carbon clincher rims. You could get down to 255g per rim but that would mean AX Lightness tubular rims instead of clinchers.

    DUKE Lucky Jack 299/TUNE King Kong www.jpracingbike1.com

    I think you'll just have to try the chainring and see what happens. You need to balance weight saving and reliability though. When a chain derails (especially on a race bike) it's very frustrating, particularly if it jams at the same time. The Sram XX1 chainring is supposed to keep the chain on better than a standard chainring but I've seen it mentioned that some riders still prefer a chain guide on top for added security.

    "SRAM’s engineers used video capture to analyze how chains derailed from chainrings. They found one of the most common causes was side-to-side movement, which lead to the chain coming off the top off the chainring as if by shifting. The X-Sync tooth profile reduces side-to-side movement by “snugging up” the interface between the chainring and the chain’s outer plates.

    The tooth profile of an XX1 chainring is also taller and wider than that of a chainring designed with shifting in mind. XX1 chainrings will be available in 28, 30, 32, 34, 36 and 38-tooth options. SRAM claims that with a properly-sized chain a rider should be able to go one size up or down from the chainring they are running without need to replace the chain."
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    Anybody else think that these duke lucky jack rims must be kind of fragile? and wobbly ?
    The claimed lucky jack 299 weight is 299grams, this is 86 grams lighter than enve clincher xc, somethign around 25% lighter, crazy and scary at the same time as enve is already very very light

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    Duke isn't a company that I'm familiar with (do they make their own carbon parts or is it someone else's rim rebadged? ). I'd be interested to know.

    According to this link the rims are made by Duke in France, possibly in association with Corima. Corima are a well respected manufacturer of carbon fibre rims so that would give me more confidence that the rims are likely to be good quality, rather than generic knock offs. At €594 euros ($789 USD) per rim the pricing is on the premium side.

    Very light 700c/29r wheelset from Duke | RedBike

    DUKE Lucky Jack 299 Carbon www.jpracingbike1.com

    Apparently the Duke Lucky Jack 299 rims use high modulus carbon fibre and are supposed to weigh a maximum of 299g or less. In the link above the 29" carbon clincher rims weighed 290g each. Their wheels weighed 1132g with Extralite hubs (Extralite offer a 142x12mm rear hub but no Sram XX1 freehub option).

    There's a rider weight limit of under 75kg (165lb approx) for the Duke Lucky Jack 299 rims and there's sure to be a fairly low maximum tyre pressure inflation limit also. That rider weight limit suggests they're likely to be fairly fragile, more suited to special occasions than everyday use.

    When it comes to stiffness my guess would be that the 299g Duke rims would be acceptable. The carbon fibre material being a real game changer when compared to lightweight alloy MTB rims.

    At a claimed weight of 385g for an Enve 29 XC rim Enve aren't really pushing the boundaries with the weights of their MTB rims. They have more of an emphasis on durability instead. The Stans NoTubes ZTR Crest 29" alloy rim for example has a claimed weight of 380g, lighter than a Enve 29 XC carbon rim. Although it weighs about the same as a typical carbon rim (Enve, Roval and Light-Bicycle 29" rims are all similar in weight to the ZTR Crest 29" rim) the ZTR Crest 29" rim is nowhere near as stiff as an equivalent weight carbon fibre rim. Even if the superlight 299g Duke carbon rim dropped to ZTR Crest 29" stiffness levels that would be useable as a race day wheelset.

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    interesting, I did not know that there are so light alloy rims!! the enve rims are crazy durable, sometimes when I get a flat I still ride them down the hill, there is not even a scratch Are there lighter carbon wheels than enve? I only know ax-lightness but their rims are tubular and I would also question their durability...

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    what do you think about this?

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    interesting, are there any reviews? Also they do not say anything about rider weight limit and internal rim width

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    Quote Originally Posted by madhead View Post
    interesting, are there any reviews? Also they do not say anything about rider weight limit and internal rim width
    No I have not found any review....I would like those wheels with the hyper camber hub,

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    Quote Originally Posted by madhead View Post
    interesting, are there any reviews? Also they do not say anything about rider weight limit and internal rim width
    No I have not found any review....I would like those wheels with the hyper camber hub,

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    According to a German forum, the Duke rims are made by WR Compositi, an Italian company which makes carbon bicycle parts.
    Have a look on the German mtb-news.de forum.
    The rims on the extralite wheelset look like the same rims (internal nipples and offset nipple holes).
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    I just read some threads in german mtb forums and in fact it seems that duke rims is the same as wr compositi rims and its the same as the extralite carbocamper rims, can someone else confirm?

    I would not trust them normally, but if company like extralite is selling them under their brand name it means they must be pretty good

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    1160 grams at 2044 euro, it seems that they do not offer the hyper camber hub option..

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    The WR Compositi website itself has these wheels listed - claimed weight 1160g €1800 euros.

    WR Compositi catalogo on-line

    Are there any ride reviews or experiences with the rims on the mtb-news.de forum? I don't speak German unfortunately.

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    Apparently Nino (who posted a lot on this forum at the ww section) has used the rims and is happy with them. He (surprisingly... :-) also sells wheel sets with the rims on his website.
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    I spoke with extralite about carbocamber wheelset and they said the wheelset was tested with up to 90kg rider, but the r2-biek website says the rider weight limit is 75kg with gear, confused

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    According to r2 the wheel is done by the same factory ( is not the same rim ) and according to extralite they use different spokes, maybe that's why the weight limit.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcoL View Post
    According to r2 the wheel is done by the same factory ( is not the same rim ) and according to extralite they use different spokes, maybe that's why the weight limit.
    Looking at the r2-bike.de site they have a few claimed sub 300g 29" carbon clincher rims listed. Are the BOR, Duke and Extralite rims all from the same place? They have an asymmetric profile in common.

    Clincher (Faltreifen): BOR Felge 29" XCD 255 Carbonfelge ab 285g

    Talking about light rims, did you see the Rigida Ryde rim 29 "EDGE MC-1 320g listed there? That's a light alloy rim. The 2012 Roval Comtol 29 alloy rims that came with my Epic are close to 200g more per rim

    Ryde Felge 29" EDGE MC-1 320g, 87,50 €

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    Quote Originally Posted by WR304 View Post
    Looking at the r2-bike.de site they have a few claimed sub 300g 29" carbon clincher rims listed. Are the BOR, Duke and Extralite rims all from the same place? They have an asymmetric profile in common.

    Clincher (Faltreifen): BOR Felge 29" XCD 255 Carbonfelge ab 285g

    Talking about light rims, did you see the Rigida Ryde rim 29 "EDGE MC-1 320g listed there? That's a light alloy rim. The 2012 Roval Comtol 29 alloy rims that came with my Epic are close to 200g more per rim

    Ryde Felge 29" EDGE MC-1 320g, 87,50 €

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    Back on planet earth, I'm keen to try out the Crossmax 29 SLR. At 1620 with an alloy rim, that looks to be a good bet for an all-round wheel. I've got Mavic wheels on family bikes, but would happily own another set.

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    How much does the roval carbon weight ?
    I preffer a lightweight carbon rim than a lightweight aluminum rim at the same weight,
    It is not very easy to decide which one is best, since if you broke the wheel you will broke some bones

    Which one do you think is best? The one on /r2 or the extralite?

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    How much strong is carbon rim vs alloy?

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    Quote Originally Posted by MarcoL View Post
    How much does the roval carbon weight ?
    I preffer a lightweight carbon rim than a lightweight aluminum rim at the same weight,
    It is not very easy to decide which one is best, since if you broke the wheel you will broke some bones

    Which one do you think is best? The one on /r2 or the extralite?
    My 2011 SL 29 wheels weight 1440gms. I am 93kgs and have over 3,500kms on them without any problems. Broke 2 spokes through chain drop and the rims lasted 2 weeks of riding before I got back to town. Other than that, the spokes do need regular tightening on the rear wheel, but I couldn't be happier with the wheels.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ftajiri View Post
    How much strong is carbon rim vs alloy?
    for quality alloy vs quality carbon, the carbon will be stronger in every dimension. As durable? Probably not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by skiwi View Post
    My 2011 SL 29 wheels weight 1440gms. I am 93kgs and have over 3,500kms on them without any problems. Broke 2 spokes through chain drop and the rims lasted 2 weeks of riding before I got back to town. Other than that, the spokes do need regular tightening on the rear wheel, but I couldn't be happier with the wheels.
    Sorry, I was asking for the rim only, i also have the Rovals, good wheels!

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    Quote Originally Posted by WR304 View Post
    Extralite offer a 142x12mm rear hub but no Sram XX1 freehub option.
    Quote Originally Posted by MarcoL
    I prefer a lightweight carbon rim than a lightweight aluminum rim at the same weight,
    It is not very easy to decide which one is best, since if you broke the wheel you will broke some bones

    Which one do you think is best? The one on /r2 or the extralite?

    Although it's not listed on their website wheelset page when you go to the website hub page Extralite do have a Sram XX1 freehub now.

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    Extralite are one of those companies that I always have mixed feelings about. Their parts are some of the lightest around but that weight saving comes at the price of longevity. Things like the threads that allen bolts screw into are pared down so you only have a few turns available. The threads in my (2009 vintage) Extralite stem were looking close to stripping, which is another reason why I replaced it. The Extralite brass coloured parts are light but that metal is very soft. Where it's used for any sort of threads or allen bolts you have to be careful.

    I bought an Extralite Ultrastar2 headset expander and that was terrible. It didn't clamp tightly enough in the RockShox steerer to be able to adjust the headset bearings, and then to finish it off the 8mm allen bolt rounded. I had to hammer it out of the steerer tube. At the same time I bought an Extralite cassette lockring. It didn't have enough thread length to even start tightening on a Sram cassette. Total waste of €48 euros that was.

    Saying that, my Extralite front hub was fine without any issues. The Extralite HyperRear hub has a cautionary note on its product page about the freehub mechanism:

    "It took more than a year of continuous testing to develop and fine tune the HyperRear full-alloy front-engagement freewheel mechanism.
    This new device is able to manage extremely high torque values, it offers 36 quick engagement positions for a precise feel and a minimal friction resistance.
    Oversized front engagement freewheel offers a much wider teeth engagement surface to spread the transmission torque on, handles over half-ton of chain pull.
    It is a racing assembly sensibly stronger and lighter than our conventional pawls systems, as counterpart coasting is more noisy.
    Mileage of freewheel parts is also lower than conventional pawls systems however wearable parts can be easily replaced."
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    I'd be inclined to buy some spare freehub bodies at the same time as the Extralite wheels if you go that route. I only bought a front Extralite hub as I was using my Powertap hub for the rear wheel.

    When it comes to the rims themselves I don't know. With newish products you could either wait for more rider feedback to see how solid they are or buy the rims from somewhere that you know is reputable. A store who will definitely look after you if there are any warranty problems.

    Quote Originally Posted by skiwi View Post
    Back on planet earth, I'm keen to try out the Crossmax 29 SLR. At 1620 with an alloy rim, that looks to be a good bet for an all-round wheel. I've got Mavic wheels on family bikes, but would happily own another set.
    Unless you're sponsored by Mavic or refuse to use carbon rims (both valid reasons) they don't seem to offer much. Their main selling point hopefully being rim durability I guess. The 2013 Mavic Crossmax 29 SLR wheels are £784.99 GBP ($1268 USD / €959 euros).

    Chain Reaction Cycles - 2013 Mavic Crossmax 29 SLR Wheelset

    That's not cheap for what's a relatively heavy 1620g wheelset with proprietary spokes and a 19mm inside rim width. Crossmax SLR wheels were highend in 2008 but they haven't kept pace with technological change since then. The increased availability of stiff, wide, affordable and (mostly) reliable carbon fibre rims in 2013 makes them a much harder sell. You could have a set of Roval Control carbon 29 wheels 1580g and a 22mm inside rim width for about the same price.

    Specialized Bicycle Components

    2013 Specialized Wheels & Tires – Aero & Disc Road, Budget Carbon 29er MTB & More! - Bike Rumor

    An example of what they're competing against for all round everyday training wheels if you're on a budget would be these light-bicycle.com all mountain wheels 1500g, 23mm inside rim width for £400 GBP ($646 USD / €488 euros) including shipping, which are available in a reinforced rim version. Used with a wide tyre a wider inside rim width gives a better tyre profile for improved grip and handling.

    all mountain 29er carbon mtb wheels clincher tubeless wheel ready - light-bicycle

    For race wheels the 1620g Crossmax SLR wheelset would be giving away 170g in weight to the stock 1450g Roval Control SL 29 wheelset on your S-Works Epic, and 460g to something like the 1160g Extralite CarboCamber wheels.
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    it seems they are high, but not very sure if this is enough, have to field test, maybe tomorrow


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    How did the test drive go with the x-monoring without the chain guide?

    Maybe you can post you're experiences in this thread: forums.mtbr.com/singlespeed/carbon-ti-spiderless-chainrings-833871.html
    (i'm not allowed to post direct links or PM)

    Thanks!

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    I Will, they worked ok, but as predicted by wr304, the chain guide is needed if you ride aggressively...I am waiting for a chain guide and also for spider from Mathias


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    Thx for the replay. I'm in doubt to bay te monoring or a xx1 crank. With a added chain guide the cost and weight are about the same and makes the choice difficult. The monorings have a bigger appeal to me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crankiness View Post
    Thx for the replay. I'm in doubt to bay te monoring or a xx1 crank. With a added chain guide the cost and weight are about the same and makes the choice difficult. The monorings have a bigger appeal to me.
    Fortunately, there are options on the chain guide, there is one chain guide in Italy that is about 10 grams, and the other one in germany is 36 grams
    ShiftUp Kettenführung Direct Mount Carbon 36g, 97,50 €
    If i got the one in Italy, will be very low in weight; the other option is the spider from EP + sram chainbolts + sram chainring.
    will let ypu know which one works best!

    Saludos!

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    EP spider is 20.8 grams!!!!

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    Another data point on the weight for anybody who's interested. My XL SW Epic SRAM came at exactly 9.99 kg (21.97 lbs) completely stock (incl tubes) with no pedals.

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    I wanted to report that I am using the carbocamber wheelset for several months now, I used it during various races and trust me here races are very very tough on the equipment, the cross country usually means a lot of tough downhills on huge rocks, the rims are holding very well so far

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