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    2012 Epic Expert Carbon 29er weight

    Please post the real-life, out-of-the-box weight of your Epic Expert Carbon 29er 2012. There is so big spread between the weights I've seen so far that it'd be great to get an extensive list of honest weights.

    I'll start with the weight of a size L I saw in my LBS: 25,13lb.

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    A friend got his Large 2012 Epic Expert Carbon 29er late last year. With pedals and no tubes he said it came in at 25 pounds. I wasn't there to see if it was 25.X, but he said it was "right at 25".

    I picked up my 2012 XL a few weeks ago. I had them put on new SPD M520 pedals and set it up tubeless. It weighed in at 26.1 pounds. I didn't notice it at the time but it still had the front and rear reflectors on it, not that it would have made a difference to take them off, just pointing it out so that you know exactly how mine was set up at the time.

    <a href="http://www.flickr.com/photos/dtozer/6676269969/" title="P1050230 by davetozer, on Flickr"><img src="http://farm8.staticflickr.com/7019/6676269969_d17f013b2c.jpg" width="500" height="282" alt="P1050230"></a>

    FWIW, the 2011 Epic Comp (Al) 29er I bought a year ago was 28.8 pounds with SPD's and no tubes.

    Riding the two bikes back to back, the Expert Carbon rides 10 pounds lighter.

    I used to be one of those guys that didn't think a few pounds off the weight of a frame would make much difference. Now I'm a believer!

    By the way, not to hijack the thread, but I recently discovered that the left chain-stay on my '11 Comp was cracked. Since my new Expert Carbon has an M5 rear triangle also, I will be watching it like a hawk. 12 months is the warranty period for the rear triangle, since they consider it a part of the suspension. You may want to pay close attention. Since I have a bike stand I rarely have the bike completely upside down, and that was where the crack was.

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    New Epic Expert Carbon 29 race bike

    I just took delivery on the Large (epic expert carbon). out of the box, without pedals, no reflectors, it weighed 25lb 2oz.

    I'm in the process of upgrading (American Classic MTB 29 RACE wheels/1080 cassette/s-works post/Truvativ T40 flat carbonbars) to make it lighter. I added the (heavier) Ergon grips w/carbon bar ends.

    I have my new wheels setup tubeless, and installed.

    I'm 95% done right now, and it's 24lb 8oz. I'll be adding a (lighter)s-works post yet, but adding weight of a zeebottle cage, and bar plugs yet. It should be pretty close to race-ready weight of 24lb 8oz right now.

    (The front wheel swap alone, shaved 240grams(8oz), or 1/2 pound of rotational weight. The stock wheels must be pretty heavy.)

    Let me know if you have any questions....

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    Quote Originally Posted by j_shoe99 View Post
    I'm 95% done right now, and it's 24lb 8oz. I'll be adding a (lighter)s-works post yet, but adding weight of a zeebottle cage, and bar plugs yet. It should be pretty close to race-ready weight of 24lb 8oz right now.
    The S-works post isn't lighter than the alloy post. They are both 270ish grams (400mm).

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    I'll let you know next week when when I compare weights. Based on specialized site: "Weight: 215g (400mm)" for the S-works post.

    I couldn't find any published weights on the alloy post.

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    j_shoe99: Is there an 142+option on those wheels or does the normal X-12 work? And what did you pay for the wheels?

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    umm...im not too sure exactly. I just told my friendly LBS manager to order them for me.

    I think you just specify you need the 142 rear when you order them, and that's what they ship you, no extra charge. $999retail. They just released this past month. published at 1,419grams.

    They are pretty damn light, and look great on the bike. Hopefully they prove to be durable over the course of a season!

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    I am running a set of the American Classic Race MTB 29on my 2011 Epic. They stayed true all of last season. Only issue is I ran too little air pressue and bottomed out a few times causing the rim to dent. So don't cheat the air pressure too much.

    I belive there is an adapter that was at a slight additional charge for the 142. Make sure they know to include it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by j_shoe99 View Post
    I'll let you know next week when when I compare weights. Based on specialized site: "Weight: 215g (400mm)" for the S-works post.

    I couldn't find any published weights on the alloy post.
    215 is the 350mm version
    I have both, the 400's are each 270-272.

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    Mine came in at 25 lbs. 0 oz. freshly built out of the box, without reflectors or pedals.

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    Thanks for this thread. It's very helpful as I'm about to pull the trigger on an Epic Expert Carbon 29er in XL. Naturally, I want to put it on a diet as well. It seems like we all agree that swapping out the wheels for tubless carbon Rovals saves at least 1.5 pounds. Upgrades to the bars, stem, and seat post might drop another half pound, getting an XL down to a little over 23 before pedals. Has anyone found any other ways to drop a little weight? What about the rear cassette? Grips, pedals, and seat are such a personal preference but there might be some options on the seat. I know I'll have $7K + (retail) invested but I'll still be thousands less than an S-Works. Thoughts?
    Thanks.
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    My Expert in L weighs 25.00 lbs with Candy 3 pedals, XX cassette, set up tubeless with one scoop of selant in each tire.

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    I wouldn't get your hopes up too high about dropping 675 grams by going to tubeless Rovals. The stock wheels are not that heavy, and the stock tubes are lightweight. If you keep the stock tires, I wouldn't expect more than a 1 pound drop swapping wheels and going tubeless.

    As far as big weight savings besides swapping the wheels, bars & post are probably the best bang for the buck. The XX cassette is a pretty big weight savings over the stock one, but it's a pretty big $/gram ratio. I also went from the stock lock-on style grips to the ESI chunky grips to save a few grams.

    So far with mine I've made the following changes to large Epic Expert 29er:
    ENVE XC wheels
    Continental Race Kings tires
    Easton EC70 riser bars
    FSA OS-99 90mm stem
    Thomson Masterpiece post
    WTB Rocket V saddle
    Time ATAC XS Ti pedals
    ESI Chunky grips
    15mm T-A SID fork lowers
    Magura MT-6 brakes w/180mm front, 160mm rear rotors

    This got the bike to a weight of 25.3 lbs. with pedals, so it's only a few ounces lighter than stock.

    The reality is that even though I switched to some lighter goodies, it was balanced out by personal preference items like tires that work on surfaces that aren't smooth hardpack and the saddle I prefer. So the bike is only a little lighter than stock, but I really feel like it's dialed in how I want it.

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    Good info. Thanks for taking the time to post the details of your build. I know whatever I choose to do the new bike going to be at least 3.5 pounds lighter than my current Ventana El Patron, a very nice AL bike with what was top-end stuff six years ago (XO, Thompson, Shimano 29er wheels). It comes in right at 28.5 lbs. with Eggbeaters, Maxxis Ignitors, and tubes.
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    I have the 2012 Epic Expert in size L. I added a few upgrades and am hoping to get the bike to mid 22lbs.

    Started at 25lbs stock then changed:
    shifters, derailleurs, cassette, chainrings all to XX.
    Crankarms are specialized carbon
    Changed seat post, stem, bars, pedals to crank brothers cobalt 11.
    Seat is Fizik Gobi XM with carbon wrapped rails
    Tubeless sworks renegade in the rear, tubeless sworks fastrac in the front
    Roval control wheels currently on, Control SL on order
    Awaiting delivery of Avid XX world cup brake set.

    Current weight before wheel and brake upgrade is 23lbs 11oz

    The sworks was going to be my gift to myself for finishing residency, but found a great deal on this bike and can have it darn close to the specs of the sworks at about 1/2 the price, which I can deal with!

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    Great info, tonloc08. I'd be interested to know roughly how much you invested in the upgrades including the wheels and tires on order. Sounds like around $3K not including the income from selling the take-off parts? I realize sharing how much one spends on this stuff can be awkward so feel free to email me directly if that's more comfortable, tallmtnbiker@yahoo.com. Thanks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tallmtnbiker View Post
    Great info, tonloc08. I'd be interested to know roughly how much you invested in the upgrades including the wheels and tires on order. Sounds like around $3K not including the income from selling the take-off parts? I realize sharing how much one spends on this stuff can be awkward so feel free to email me directly if that's more comfortable, tallmtnbiker@yahoo.com. Thanks.
    I already had the cranks. The crank bros stuff I got through a team deal that is significantly discounted. Approx $550 for crank bros 11 post, bars, stem, pedals. Approx $750 for xx drivetrain (shifters, derailleurs, cassette), $1200 for wheels, $400 for brakes, $150 for seat, $40 for sworks renegade rear. $100 for black kmc 10sl dlc chain.

    I expect to recoup a little over $1000 from take off parts.

    Total amt put into the bike is about the same as retail even before selling any take off parts.

    Hope that helps!

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    Thanks, all very helpful. I hope you'll post some close-up shots of the sweet rig.

    Happy riding.
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    Mine is stock except for removing the tubes,and adding a computer,cage and 959 pedals.
    The weight is 25.63 lbs. The pics arent that great - sorry.
    I plan to swap the stem and seatpost for Thomson, and add my Roval carbon wheels and Conti Race Kings which are currently on my hardtail.
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    My XL came in at 25.0 completely stock and without pedals, reflectors, or pie plate (on the shop Park scale). With Eggbeater Ti (5-year old), it's at 25.6.

    In a week or so, I'll be able to report the weight with the carbon Roval Control Trail SL wheels (1550 grams) and set-up tubeless. Step two will be upgrading with Easton carbon stem, seat post, and bars.

    The target is mid-23 pounds, or 1-1.5 pounds more than an S-Works.
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    The new crank bros 11 carbon stem, post, bars are pretty underrated in my opinion. They are light, strong, and good looking. There are good deals on eBay too. I love mine! On a side note, I was talking to a guy that had a SWEET set of carbon wheels that looked just like he rovals, just without all the loud red logos. He said that they are about the same weight an very strong. He got the rims from overseas for $150 a piece and laced them to American classic hubs. Set up tubeless without any issues. I'm going to look into where he got them from. I put the roval control SL wheels on mine and it's down to 22.8 lbs. Just waiting for brakes and I'll post pictures if I can figure out how to shrink them down to size.

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    I picked up my new bike with the new Roval Carbon trail SL wheels set up tubeless. These sweet wagon wheels knocked off a total of 1 pound, 6 ounces (725 grams) from the stock Roval wheels. My XL is now at 24.0 pounds with Ti Eggbeaters and carbon bottle cage, a pleasant surprise.

    Planned upgrades to come and expected weight savings are: Easton EC90 XC bars (110 gr savings); Crank Brothers Cobalt II post (I need both the 400 mm length and 20 mm setback for my long legs) (160 gr savings); and possibly Easton EA70 stem (25 gr savings). Total weight savings with these upgrades should be right at 300 grams or 10 ounces bringing the bike weight down to 23 pounds, 6 ounces. I plan to stop there for now.

    Selling the original wheels on eBay should just about pay for these upgrades.

    First shakedown ride in the morning and first race two days later. I can't wait to start climbing on a bike five+ pounds lighter then any 29er I have ridden before. Yippee!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tallmtnbiker View Post
    I picked up my new bike with the new Roval Carbon trail SL wheels set up tubeless. These sweet wagon wheels knocked off a total of 1 pound, 6 ounces (725 grams) from the stock Roval wheels. My XL is now at 24.0 pounds with Ti Eggbeaters and carbon bottle cage, a pleasant surprise.

    Planned upgrades to come and expected weight savings are: Easton EC90 XC bars (110 gr savings); Crank Brothers Cobalt II post (I need both the 400 mm length and 20 mm setback for my long legs) (160 gr savings); and possibly Easton EA70 stem (25 gr savings). Total weight savings with these upgrades should be right at 300 grams or 10 ounces bringing the bike weight down to 23 pounds, 6 ounces. I plan to stop there for now.

    Selling the original wheels on eBay should just about pay for these upgrades.

    First shakedown ride in the morning and first race two days later. I can't wait to start climbing on a bike five+ pounds lighter then any 29er I have ridden before. Yippee!
    1lb 6oz is 623 grams
    725 grams is 1lb 9.6oz
    Can you weigh the wheels off your bike? Seems like the wheels off your expert are heavy. I know you went tubeless at the same time but if your shop set it up they probably put 2 scoops in each tire which only saves 120(ish) grams total.

    The stock post is 270ish grams, I don't think the cobalt post is 110 grams...

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    25.94 with Command seat dropper. Med. Tubeless.
    012 Epic Expert 29
    08 Trail SX II
    011 Pinarello
    09 Langster (New York)
    A few other too

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    Hmmm. My online weight converter has 725 grams as 1.59 pounds so I misread it as 1 pound six ounces I guess. I have a gram scale coming and I will weigh the wheels when it arrives. My weights are on a hanging Park scale at the shop last Saturday with the stock wheels, tubes, and tires and the Ti Eggbeaters (25.6 on the scale) to today with the only difference the carbon wheels and tubeless (24.0). Maybe 25.6 doesn't mean 25 pounds, six ounces but means 25 pounds and 6/10 of a pound, or about 9 ounces?

    Thanks for the weight of the stock post. I found 335 listed as the weight of a used one for sale but I haven't taken mine off yet. I will weigh it when I get the gram scale in. The Cobalt 30.8/400mm/20mm setback seems to be around 175 grams but it's difficult to find a reliable figure.

    I believe the stock bars are around 225 grams.

    I appreciate you taking the time to read the post and correct/comment.
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    Yea the park hanging scale reads in lbs-oz so 25lbs 6oz

    Your correct on the stock bar weight.

    It seems like the weight of the 2012 experts are all over the place, has been from day 1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTR2ebike View Post
    Yea the park hanging scale reads in lbs-oz so 25lbs 6oz

    Your correct on the stock bar weight.

    It seems like the weight of the 2012 experts are all over the place, has been from day 1.
    Yeah, I thought I was the only one crazy enough to buy such a bike. It was more the a Kawie KLR, with a an engine, full suspension, brakes, racks, blinkers, lights, horn, etc, a whole street legal enduro.
    012 Epic Expert 29
    08 Trail SX II
    011 Pinarello
    09 Langster (New York)
    A few other too

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    That's one reason why I, an admitted Weight Weenie, have both a Park hanging scale and a table-top gram scale on the way. I will post pics of the bike and various pieces when I can.

    Crap! I forget the blinkers! Back to the shop...
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    I think I am done with this for now. I am building another wheel set but that will take awhile. The new wheels will have a plain carbon rim, gold alloy nipples, bladed spokes, and american classic rims. I bought the xx world cup brakes but thought that they felt cheap and like the formula brakes much better. Here is a list of the components that I changed on the bike.

    STEM
    Crank Brothers Cobalt 11 100mm Carbon
    BARS
    Crank Brothers Cobalt 11 680mm flat bars
    GRIPS
    Ergon GX1
    FRONT DERAILLEUR
    SRAM XX, 10-speed, S3 direct mount for DMD, bottom-pull
    REAR DERAILLEUR
    SRAM XX, 10-speed, mid cage
    SHIFT LEVERS
    SRAM XX, 10-speed, trigger, w/MiXmaster clamp
    CASSETTE
    SRAM XG-1090 10-speed, 11-36t
    CHAIN
    KMC X-10SL, DLC 10-speed, w/ reusable Missing Link
    CRANKSET
    Specialized S-works crankarms with SRAM XX Spider/chainrings 39/26
    PEDALS
    Crank Brothers Cobalt 11
    WHEELS
    Roval Control SL
    REAR TIRE
    Specialized Renegade S-works
    SADDLE
    Fizik Gobi XM braided carbon
    SEATPOST
    Crank Brothers Cobalt 11 400mm
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    Anybody have any idea of the weight difference between the stock Roval Control wheels and Stan's ZTR Arches (non-EX)?

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    I'd say they are pretty close in weight.

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    Where can I get the silver Truvativ chainrings and will they fit the original SRAM crankset off the Expert?

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    Quote Originally Posted by rhodoman View Post
    Where can I get the silver Truvativ chainrings and will they fit the original SRAM crankset off the Expert?

    No they won't fit. It would be a waste of money to put them on your current crank, as it would probably cost as much as buying an XX crank.

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    I got my wife a small frame 2012 Epic Expert carbon 29er for Chrstmas. Her's came in at 25.06 pounds with the following:
    Enve bar
    Ground Control 2.1 front and rear
    XX shifters
    XX FD
    S-Works Carbon post
    Tubless on stock wheels
    Selle Italia LDY Gel flow sport
    Time Carbon/Ti Atac pedals
    Cateye V3 computer
    Carbon side loading bottle cage
    ...overnight she was a few minutes faster on a 10 mile loop over her 26" Sworks safire.

    I'm getting a Med Frame this week with an Enve AM, DT240s wheel build along with a few other similiar upgrades like on my wifes bike. I'll update the wieght when I get it.

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    I ordered a medium and a set of carbon rovals for my wife's new bike. I am planning to try to drop some additional wieght with esi grips, xx cassette, and possibly the cranks bros Cobalt 11 post, bar and stem. What is the exact stem and bar combo described above?
    We really wanted to order the shimano sworks but could not get it throught the shop deal, so we opted for this bike. We also loved the anti chain slap option on the shimano sworks rear derailer (super cool feature check it out) and may also add that derailer later on.
    Hoping to get this bike under 23 pounds and I will post pic and weight once we get it.
    Any leads or comments appreciated.

    Had 2 great rides in the warm sun on dry south facing single track with blooming buttercups this past week....now we have snow in the forecast again up here in the NW.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonloc08 View Post
    I think I am done with this for now. I am building another wheel set but that will take awhile. The new wheels will have a plain carbon rim, gold alloy nipples, bladed spokes, and american classic rims. I bought the xx world cup brakes but thought that they felt cheap and like the formula brakes much better. Here is a list of the components that I changed on the bike.

    STEM
    Crank Brothers Cobalt 11 100mm Carbon
    BARS
    Crank Brothers Cobalt 11 680mm flat bars
    GRIPS
    Ergon GX1
    FRONT DERAILLEUR
    SRAM XX, 10-speed, S3 direct mount for DMD, bottom-pull
    REAR DERAILLEUR
    SRAM XX, 10-speed, mid cage
    SHIFT LEVERS
    SRAM XX, 10-speed, trigger, w/MiXmaster clamp
    CASSETTE
    SRAM XG-1090 10-speed, 11-36t
    CHAIN
    KMC X-10SL, DLC 10-speed, w/ reusable Missing Link
    CRANKSET
    Specialized S-works crankarms with SRAM XX Spider/chainrings 39/26
    PEDALS
    Crank Brothers Cobalt 11
    WHEELS
    Roval Control SL
    REAR TIRE
    Specialized Renegade S-works
    SADDLE
    Fizik Gobi XM braided carbon
    SEATPOST
    Crank Brothers Cobalt 11 400mm

    Great build but it begs the question...why didn't you just buy a S-Works?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlp View Post
    Great build but it begs the question...why didn't you just buy a S-Works?
    Good question. I originally planned on it but could not get the sworks through my sponsorship. I saved a lot of money by getting the expert through a sponsor deal, then upgrading parts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonloc08 View Post
    Good question. I originally planned on it but could not get the sworks through my sponsorship. I saved a lot of money by getting the expert through a sponsor deal, then upgrading parts.
    Have you documented or do you recall what the component weight deltas were and where you garnered the most weight savings?

    I have a expert on order and want to put it on a little diet. I only want to swap stuff that has the highest gram per dollar ratio. So far I have purchased a XX cassette and will go tubless but I am also considering a Roval SL wheelset, carbon seat post and bars as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tlp View Post
    Have you documented or do you recall what the component weight deltas were and where you garnered the most weight savings?

    I have a expert on order and want to put it on a little diet. I only want to swap stuff that has the highest gram per dollar ratio. So far I have purchased a XX cassette and will go tubless but I am also considering a Roval SL wheelset, carbon seat post and bars as well.
    Stock Actual Weights:
    Bars - 231g
    Seat - 283g
    Stem - 170g
    Post - 272g
    Cassette - 365g
    Rear shifter - 115g
    Front shifter - 113g
    Front Der - 127g
    Rear Der - 202g
    Crankset w/o BB - 636g
    Did not weigh wheelsets, but that is likely the biggest difference.
    In order of biggest difference, wheel set, cassette, (stem, post, bars), seat, crankset.

    I did not weigh the upgrades individually.

    Hope that helps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonloc08 View Post
    Stock Actual Weights:
    Bars - 231g
    Seat - 283g
    Stem - 170g
    Post - 272g
    Cassette - 365g
    Rear shifter - 115g
    Front shifter - 113g
    Front Der - 127g
    Rear Der - 202g
    Crankset w/o BB - 636g
    Did not weigh wheelsets, but that is likely the biggest difference.
    In order of biggest difference, wheel set, cassette, (stem, post, bars), seat, crankset.

    I did not weigh the upgrades individually.

    Hope that helps.
    Perfect & Thanks!!!

    I can take from here.

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    Just to update this from my new ride. Minus the pig, mine came in at 25.05 pounds as pictured with the following:

    2012 Epic 29er Expert

    XX shifters
    Ritchey Stem
    XX FD
    Time Carbon XS Pedals
    Thompson Seatpost
    Selle Italia Gel Flow saddle
    Enve AM rims, DTSwiss 240s
    Specialized Ground Control 2.1 front and back
    Cateye V3 computer
    Bottle cage

    Not the lightest and I could get lighter, but this is how I built it to ride and I like it.


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    Quote Originally Posted by crimecrusher View Post
    Just to update this from my new ride. Minus the pig, mine came in at 25.05 pounds as pictured with the following:

    2012 Epic 29er Expert

    XX shifters
    Ritchey Stem
    XX FD
    Time Carbon XS Pedals
    Thompson Seatpost
    Selle Italia Gel Flow saddle
    Enve AM rims, DTSwiss 240s
    Specialized Ground Control 2.1 front and back
    Cateye V3 computer
    Bottle cage

    Not the lightest and I could get lighter, but this is how I built it to ride and I like it.

    You sure that's not a 2011 frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonloc08 View Post
    You sure that's not a 2011 frame?
    That's certainly a 2012

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTR2ebike View Post
    That's certainly a 2012
    What's up with the triangle at the back end of the top tube? The 2012's are open and that one is closed. Looks like 2011 epic evo but has different color rear triangle.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonloc08 View Post
    What's up with the triangle at the back end of the top tube? The 2012's are open and that one is closed. Looks like 2011 epic evo but has different color rear triangle.
    Depends on the frame size. I believe all size Small and Medium frames have it closed, large, xl and xxl are open.

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    Quote Originally Posted by xmangox View Post
    Depends on the frame size. I believe all size Small and Medium frames have it closed, large, xl and xxl are open.
    Oh, ic. Sweet bike, just confused.

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    Mine as of Today....

    Mods so far...I have not weighed it yet



    • XX Cassette
    • S-Works Seat Post
    • Tubeless
    • TIME Atac Titan Pedals
    • Garmin Edge 800 Computer
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    2012 Epic expert evo r

    Just Came in Today...
    Took short ride...
    Official Weigh-in... 23lb 13oz....

    With XT pedals and Carbon Rovals w/ Racing Ralphs Tubeless..
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    Quote Originally Posted by torque29er View Post
    Just Came in Today...
    Took short ride...
    Official Weigh-in... 23lb 13oz....

    With XT pedals and Carbon Rovals w/ Racing Ralphs Tubeless..
    Add a XX cassette and you will drop another 157g/5.54 ounces.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlp View Post
    Add a XX cassette and you will drop another 157g/5.54 ounces.
    Consider the XX casette done. Thanks for the tip.

    I took a two hour ride today. I can't say enough of how pleased I am with the bike.

    Bike felt much faster than I remember when I tested the Expert Carbon version. I'm sure it's a combination of the Carbon Rovals and the adrenaline from actually riding my own new bike.

    The most amazing thing I find is in the suspension compliance and adaptability. It feels as if you have two totally different bikes when you adjust the "brain" at their opposite settings. The "brain" on the Epic is much more responsive to any adjustments than on my Stumpy.

    With the "brain" in the fully closed position, the bike actually propels through the smoother twisties like a hardtail but smoother, it absorbs the smaller stuff without tossing the rear end to the outside direction of the turn. On the roots it rides over the smaller stuff smoother than the hardtail and without any jarring to disrupt direction in which you going.

    With the "brain" in the fully open position, the suspension absorbs the trail imperfections and actually allows you to make a mistake and take a bad line without much of a penalty. My Stumpy does this better but that's the only penalty I can give the bike. When you compare it to the hardtail, the Epic is definitely much better in this respect.

    My buddy has a Stumpy hardtail and he rode with me today and I think he's going to make the switch. We switched for a couple of laps and neither he nor I could believe the ride of the Epic.

    I've ridden my friends bike on occasion and IMHO I find hardtails to be more physically exhausting after long rooty and rougher rides.

    My biggest worry was how it would handle on downhills as a Scalpel 2, I rode a few times before I made this purchase felt very twitchy on a particular section that has a high speed rocky downhill portion of the trail we rode today. The Epic felt "almost as stable" as my Stumpy but with "much, much more speed".

    BTW the 1 x 10 drive train is perfect. The Scalpel 2, I rode for a few days had the same drive train and that was one of the things I really liked. I'm thinking of doing the same to my Stumpy.

    I'm am ecstatic with the purchase and I highly recommend this bike to anyone looking into an Epic.
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    Man, I wish Specialized offered their carbon Rovals in something other than race red. Something understated like the stock Rovals on the Epic Expert would be great on all of their bikes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Andrio View Post
    Man, I wish Specialized offered their carbon Rovals in something other than race red. Something understated like the stock Rovals on the Epic Expert would be great on all of their bikes.
    supposedly they are doing a white scheme for next year

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    ... and if we just ...

    Wanted to post a follow-up on my move from a 2011 Epic Comp to the 2012 Epic Expert, now that I have had some quality time on trails. Trails have been unusually good for March.

    Two places I ride are fairly short and they both flow very well. They are both like road course racing in the woods, so great territory to shred through corners on an Epic. I love pushing hard to beat my personal best lap times.

    My 2011 XL Comp weighed 28.8. My 2102 Expert weighs 26.1. I really wasn't sure that the weight difference would have much of an impact.

    Holy geez, this Expert is a completely different bike! I am blown away by the difference! Yesterday I obliterated my personal best lap time at one of my favorite trails.

    Last year I had been improving my lap times generally by 1 to 5 seconds, tops. Never getting improvements in double-digits when counting seconds. Yesterday, on the new bike I picked up over a minute and a half!!!!

    I am still a bit unsure on how this radical improvement can be explained. I'm still getting in shape, so it's not like my conditioning is better, in fact, it's worse than the end of the season last year.

    All I can figure is that with the lighter setup I can brake later and get back up to speed quicker with the same amount of energy expended. So at every corner I can get deeper into the corner before braking and accelerate faster after the exit.

    I have never really had an interest in changing components to get small gains in weight reduction, but now I am thinking about it pretty seriously. I may become one of those crazy weight weenies!


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    Quote Originally Posted by IndyDave View Post
    Wanted to post a follow-up on my move from a 2011 Epic Comp to the 2012 Epic Expert, now that I have had some quality time on trails. Trails have been unusually good for March.

    Two places I ride are fairly short and they both flow very well. They are both like road course racing in the woods, so great territory to shred through corners on an Epic. I love pushing hard to beat my personal best lap times.

    My 2011 XL Comp weighed 28.8. My 2102 Expert weighs 26.1. I really wasn't sure that the weight difference would have much of an impact.

    Holy geez, this Expert is a completely different bike! I am blown away by the difference! Yesterday I obliterated my personal best lap time at one of my favorite trails.

    Last year I had been improving my lap times generally by 1 to 5 seconds, tops. Never getting improvements in double-digits when counting seconds. Yesterday, on the new bike I picked up over a minute and a half!!!!

    I am still a bit unsure on how this radical improvement can be explained. I'm still getting in shape, so it's not like my conditioning is better, in fact, it's worse than the end of the season last year.

    All I can figure is that with the lighter setup I can brake later and get back up to speed quicker with the same amount of energy expended. So at every corner I can get deeper into the corner before braking and accelerate faster after the exit.

    I have never really had an interest in changing components to get small gains in weight reduction, but now I am thinking about it pretty seriously. I may become one of those crazy weight weenies!

    I have the "weight weenie" problem too... Got the Epic also and now I want to get lighter components. Starting with me...

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    2012 Epic Expert, not stock


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    Got mine down to 23lbs 5oz.

    Superlogic post
    Phenom Pro saddle
    XX cassette
    tubeless Renegades
    Eggbeater 11 pedals
    S-Works carbon bar
    ESI grips
    titanium bolts

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    Ok guys here is the seatpost data and it's disturbing

    Epic Expert Alloy Post - 273
    S-Works Carbon Post - 277
    Crank Brothers Cobalt 11 Post 400mm- [186]
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    Interesting post on the weights of the sestposts. I was surprised that sworks was the heaviest!!
    Does anyone have the same data on the Crank bro's Cobalt handlebar and Cobalt stem in terms of weight differences vs. stock on the Expert?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joelski View Post
    Interesting post on the weights of the sestposts. I was surprised that sworks was the heaviest!!
    Does anyone have the same data on the Crank bro's Cobalt handlebar and Cobalt stem in terms of weight differences vs. stock on the Expert?
    Here you go....
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    Seat post diameter?

    What is the correct seat post diameter size for the epic?
    Cobalt 11 shows sizes available as 27.2, 30.9' 31.6 and 34.9.

    Thanks for great info above.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joelski View Post
    What is the correct seat post diameter size for the epic?
    Cobalt 11 shows sizes available as 27.2, 30.9' 31.6 and 34.9.

    Thanks for great info above.
    30.9 Diameter / 400mm length.

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    epic = 30.9

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    Could I get away using a 350 mil on a medium for my wife?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Joelski View Post
    Could I get away using a 350 mil on a medium for my wife?
    Not sure. You can buy 400mm and cut it down if you have to. The 50mm of carbon weighs very little. OEM post is 400mm on the medium as well.

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    350 mil seatpost

    I found one on ebay thag I want to use vs. buying a 400m and hoping/wondering if you guys think I am ok?

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    My factory post on my XL was 350mm, I believe. I bought a 400 mm set-back carbon post (Crank Brothers Cobalt 11) since I needed to go a little higher since I'm 6'4" with a 37" inseam. If she fits on the factory 350mm post, which I expect she does, then you might as well buy a carbon 350mm to save some weight. My factory post was 277 grams. You could save up to 100 grams with a nice carbon post.

    Good luck!
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    Quote Originally Posted by tallmtnbiker View Post
    My factory post on my XL was 350mm, I believe. I bought a 400 mm set-back carbon post (Crank Brothers Cobalt 11) since I needed to go a little higher since I'm 6'4" with a 37" inseam. If she fits on the factory 350mm post, which I expect she does, then you might as well buy a carbon 350mm to save some weight. My factory post was 277 grams. You could save up to 100 grams with a nice carbon post.

    Good luck!
    Factory 350mm on a XL, weighing 277 grams (that's what the 400mm weights). That doesn't add up are you sure it was a 350?

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    I am probably measuring it wrong. If you go from the absolute top where the seat rails would sit to the bottom of the post, it's 400mm. It you go from the bottom of the top cap and just include the length of the round post, it's 350mm. So I suppose you are right and: it's a 400mm.

    Everytime I weigh it, it varies between 270 to 277 grams.
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    I can get a 350 for $110 new and may just give it a try. Thanks for all the feedback guys.

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    New Specialized 2012 Epic Expert

    Just got my 2012 Epic Expert. Total weight 25.6 lbs.
    S-Works Captain Tire
    Fast Track Tire
    No Tubes
    XT Pedals
    Plasic Water Bottle Cage


    My previous bike was a 2003 Stumpy. There's no comparison between the two bikes.
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    p im trying to decide on a frame size. im 6'4" but have a short torso in comparison to my leg length. My LBS owner and SBCU fitter says to go with a 19, but according to the chart I am a solid 21. I have ridden a SJ in both 21 and 19, the test rides around the parking lot didn't really help me decide. What do you guys think?

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    21 or XL is your size,non question about it. If your short torso will turn out to be a problem you can work on the stem size.

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    You are an XL.

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    If he is an SBCU fitter then why are you asking people on the internet?
    Yes at your height I would say XL but no one here has any idea how long your legs, arms, or torso are. Not to mention we aren't professional fitters.


    If you can get enough seatpost out of a 19 to have the correct extension then your upper body can't be that short.

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    the fitter and me go way back, so he I just wanted to make sure his 30 sec visual assessment and "yeah, go with a 19" was on the money.
    well I went with the L as he suggested, I will need a longer stem for sure but the bike feels very nimble. I think i made the right choice.

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    Cool-blue Rhythm Done at 24 pounds, 2 ounces for XL with pedals and cage

    I'm done with upgrades on my 2012 Epic Expert, XL. I knocked one pound, four ounces (567 grams) off with the tubeless carbon Roval wheels, Crank Brothers carbon seat post, Bontrager XXX Lite stem, Crank brothers carbon riser bars, and ESI grips.

    The non-wheel weight savings and costs were: bars (65 grams saved for $100--LBS), seat post (saved 105 grams for $200--LBS--needed the setback), stem (55 grams saved for $85--eBay); grips (59 grams saved for $10--race day deal). Total cost $395; total weight savings: 284 grams or 10 ounces.

    The wheels and tubeless conversion saved another 340 grams. The wheels were $1,350 at the LBS so the cost per gram doesn't compare well but I sure notice a difference when these wheels spin up.

    I have sold all the new take-off parts for $500 total, bringing the out-of-pocket down to $1,300 or so with tax and install. Big dough, I know, but I love the bike and I'm still thousands ahead and within a couple of pounds of an S-works.

    Happy riding!
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    Nice. I'm running almost the same gear as you. My Roval carbons arrive next week. The only "heavy" part that you did not mention was the cassette. Switching to a XX cassette will save you another 157g which is significant for a single component.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tallmtnbiker View Post
    I'm done with upgrades on my 2012 Epic Expert, XL. I knocked one pound, four ounces (567 grams) off with the tubeless carbon Roval wheels, Crank Brothers carbon seat post, Bontrager XXX Lite stem, Crank brothers carbon riser bars, and ESI grips.

    The non-wheel weight savings and costs were: bars (65 grams saved for $100--LBS), seat post (saved 105 grams for $200--LBS--needed the setback), stem (55 grams saved for $85--eBay); grips (59 grams saved for $10--race day deal). Total cost $395; total weight savings: 284 grams or 10 ounces.

    The wheels and tubeless conversion saved another 340 grams. The wheels were $1,350 at the LBS so the cost per gram doesn't compare well but I sure notice a difference when these wheels spin up.

    I have sold all the new take-off parts for $500 total, bringing the out-of-pocket down to $1,300 or so with tax and install. Big dough, I know, but I love the bike and I'm still thousands ahead and within a couple of pounds of an S-works.

    Happy riding!
    Great job on the build!!!

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    Yes, the XX upgrade in the back of my mind. The LBS said they wear quickly. What has been your experience?

    You will enjoy the Carbon Rovals I'm sure. I have the 1550 gram "trail" model, not the ultra light 1,400 gram set. The lighter wheels were out of stock for a few months and, at 185-190 pounds geared up, I didn't mind a little extra strength.

    Happy trails.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tallmtnbiker View Post
    Yes, the XX upgrade in the back of my mind. The LBS said they wear quickly. What has been your experience?
    I can't speak for XX wear yet. I haven't racked up enough miles yet.

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    The final number on my Expert 29 is just under 23.5 lbs after the updates above and changing to XX rear dérailleur & shifters, X.0 cassette, and tubeless Racing Ralph tires.

    All I can say is "Wow!". I've never owned a mountain bike that accelerates like this. I'm very happy with how it's turned out.

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    Latest round of updates have been applied. I will post a total weight when my hanging scale arrives.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tlp View Post
    Latest round of updates have been applied. I will post a total weight when my hanging scale arrives.
    Nice Chart...Are the new parts actual weights or published weights... My Rovals came in at an actual weight of 1550gr.

    Very Nice Build Anyways!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by torque29er View Post
    Nice Chart...Are the new parts actual weights or published weights... My Rovals came in at an actual weight of 1550gr.
    All weights are actuals with Park DS-2 Digital Scale except for the wheelsets which are the publised weights.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlp View Post
    Latest round of updates have been applied. I will post a total weight when my hanging scale arrives.
    You didn't go for a carbon railed Specialized Phenom saddle. That would save some weight over the titanium railed version and doesn't cost much more.

    Was that choice for the sake of reliability?

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlp View Post
    All weights are actuals with Park DS-2 Digital Scale except for the wheelsets which are the publised weights.
    Thanks for your reply . I thought I got a "dud" set of Rovals for a second.
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    Quote Originally Posted by WR304 View Post
    You didn't go for a carbon railed Specialized Phenom saddle. That would save some weight over the titanium railed version and doesn't cost much more.

    Was that choice for the sake of reliability?
    I actually did consider it but felt that it may have issues down the road on a MTB and didn't free like springing the extra $30 to get the carbon rail adapter from Crank Brothers. I may revisit it again later.

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    Quote Originally Posted by torque29er View Post
    Thanks for your reply . I thought I got a "dud" set of Rovals for a second.
    I could be mistaken but your Roval's look like the Control Trail SL which are a tad heavier than the non trails. Published is 1530g vs 1440g. You have 730g + 820g = 1550g.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tlp View Post
    I could be mistaken but your Roval's look like the Control Trail SL which are a tad heavier than the non trails. Published is 1530g vs 1440g. You have 730g + 820g = 1550g.
    Good Eye, Yes they are the Control Trail SL
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    Quote Originally Posted by tlp View Post
    I could be mistaken but your Roval's look like the Control Trail SL which are a tad heavier than the non trails. Published is 1530g vs 1440g. You have 730g + 820g = 1550g.
    Sorry can't give you a positive rep as we can only give TEN in a 24hour period.

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    Chain Arrived today... 277 vs 253. 112 Links.
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    Here is mine. Just got it built today at my LBS.
    (Sorry, we did not get the weight before swapping parts.)

    It is an XL frame and stock parts except for the following:

    Swapped rear Renegade control tire for S-works 29x2.0 Fast Trak
    front and rear set up tubeless
    S-works carbon mini-rise prowess handlebar full length 720mm
    Deore XT XC pedals (PD-M780)
    SRAM PC-1051 chain
    Specialized Zee cage bottle cage
    Specialized Command Post Blacklite 405x125 seat post

    Weight: 25.77 pounds
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    I have been thinking about this bike since last fall and finally pulled the trigger over the weekend. Medium frame, upgraded rear tire to s works renegade, set up tubeless, enve carbon bar, spesh side loader bottle cage and shimano 540 pedals. It was 24.4 on the shops scale.

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    Here's mine fresh from the LBS with reflectors and no pedals. Medium frame. 24.94 lbs



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    Anyone want to sell their stock Rovel 29er wheel set?

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    Ok new 180mm rotor and PM/PM mount for my Expert 2012 ( size L). Gained a bit of weight already by swapping from Formula R1x to Avid X0, this new 180mm rotor will add even more weight,I really need to start focusing on upgrading some parts to make the bike lighter....damn...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devastazione View Post
    Ok new 180mm rotor and PM/PM mount for my Expert 2012 ( size L). Gained a bit of weight already by swapping from Formula R1x to Avid X0, this new 180mm rotor will add even more weight,I really need to start focusing on upgrading some parts to make the bike lighter....damn...
    Why would you exchange the formula brakes for xo?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Devastazione View Post
    Ok new 180mm rotor and PM/PM mount for my Expert 2012 ( size L). Gained a bit of weight already by swapping from Formula R1x to Avid X0, this new 180mm rotor will add even more weight,I really need to start focusing on upgrading some parts to make the bike lighter....damn...
    If you want to sell the formula's PM me. I have them on my Epic EVO and luv them...
    ENJOY THE RIDE!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by tonloc08 View Post
    Why would you exchange the formula brakes for xo?
    Formulas on this bike were crap.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tallmtnbiker View Post
    I'm done with upgrades on my 2012 Epic Expert, XL. I knocked one pound, four ounces (567 grams) off with the tubeless carbon Roval wheels, Crank Brothers carbon seat post, Bontrager XXX Lite stem, Crank brothers carbon riser bars, and ESI grips.

    The non-wheel weight savings and costs were: bars (65 grams saved for $100--LBS), seat post (saved 105 grams for $200--LBS--needed the setback), stem (55 grams saved for $85--eBay); grips (59 grams saved for $10--race day deal). Total cost $395; total weight savings: 284 grams or 10 ounces.

    The wheels and tubeless conversion saved another 340 grams. The wheels were $1,350 at the LBS so the cost per gram doesn't compare well but I sure notice a difference when these wheels spin up.

    I have sold all the new take-off parts for $500 total, bringing the out-of-pocket down to $1,300 or so with tax and install. Big dough, I know, but I love the bike and I'm still thousands ahead and within a couple of pounds of an S-works.

    Happy riding!
    Great Job on the Diet... (tlp) +1 on the XX cassette... Not only will it save weight but IMHO the shifting sound and the feel is much better too...
    ENJOY THE RIDE!!!

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