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    2011 Epic Comp 29er

    My LBS has one in my size and offered it for a smoking deal. We put it on their scale and totally stock, including the test-ride pedals and reflectors, it was 28.1 pounds. Kinda portly; I wish they had a model in between it and the Carbon Comp, just can't swing $4K +. Anyway, I was wondering what you wise folks thought about the stock components and maybe dropping a pound or so without compromising durability (I weigh about 210 lbs) and spending loads of cash. I realize the wheelset would probably be the most effective place to start, but let's say I had around $500 to spend without messing with the wheels. Where would you begin if you wanted to shave a few grams (already have Shimano XT pedals that I love, so that's out)?

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    What size is it? Very curious, as I am 99% sure I am getting the same bike and haven't found weight info. Mine would be an XL.

    I agree, as far as the price gap stepping up to the Carbon Comp, and not really getting any component upgrades. I too would spend a few hundred to lighten up a comp. Coming off a 2006 Stumpy FSR, XL that I got down to 27.9 pounds. Not bad for that kind of bike. Hate to go heavier on a new bike.

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    Oops, it was a large.

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    Yeah, I can't find much on things like the seatpost, saddle, stem, handlebars, crankset, bottom bracket, etc. Another shop weighed a large Giant Anthem X 29er for me and it came in at 26.1. Specialized might lose some sales to Giant by not having something in between the Comp and Carbon Comp. I'm still torn between the two bikes, but the Giant seems to have a few negatives to me: low bottom bracket, steep seat tube - resulting in tighter cockpit in a large, inferior suspension design (IMO), no rear-end thru axle, etc. Still I'm gonna give it a test ride. I've ridden a friend's 2011 Epic Comp in a large and know it rides awesome, but like I said, just a little too portly stock.

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    ya i test rode that bike and instead bought the SJ FSR 29 elite - with pedals its about 31pounds! But this bike has some nice upgrades like the adjustable seat post

    1 - weight is over rated
    2 - at 31 pounds this thing still climbs great
    3 - i think people fudge their true bike weights or dont weigh with everything on the bike ready to ride

    29ers are a little heavier - i would not worry about it

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    Quote Originally Posted by surftime
    ya i test rode that bike and instead bought the SJ FSR 29 elite - with pedals its about 31pounds! But this bike has some nice upgrades like the adjustable seat post

    1 - weight is over rated
    2 - at 31 pounds this thing still climbs great
    3 - i think people fudge their true bike weights or dont weigh with everything on the bike ready to ride

    29ers are a little heavier - i would not worry about it
    I dig what you're saying and agree. If I needed more suspension I'd not worry too much if my ride was over 30lbs. But around here most trails are seem built for a 4-inch travel 29er like the Epic. Also, my current old-beater 26er is 27.5 lbs. And I want to go lighter but still reap the benefits of the 29er platform.

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    Absolutley change out the wheelset!!!

    1) Nothing else you can do is capable of reducing the more weight in one shot than a lighter wheelset.

    2) And...since a lighter weight wheelset means less rotational weight for you to push, that upgrade would also be recognized more while you are riding than any other upgrade would be.

    The components on that bike are fine, nothing wrong with them.

    Upgrade the wheelset!

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    Anyone know the weight of the spendy Carbon Comp version?
    I love the idea of the "brain", I just wish the Epic's were a bit more affordable... and/or lighter.

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    The wheelset on that bike weighs 2198 grams w/skewers. You can do a heck of a lot better than that. A wheelset in the 1700-1800 gram range would save you around one pound!

    I'm seeing wheelsets in that weight range on eBay for about $500 bucks.
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    My Carbon Comp will be at the shop tomorrow. I'll weigh it then.

    But I definitely agree about shaving weight off the wheelset, except I thought I had heard the wheelset weight was 1900g, maybe that was without the skewers?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RRRoubaix
    Anyone know the weight of the spendy Carbon Comp version?
    I love the idea of the "brain", I just wish the Epic's were a bit more affordable... and/or lighter.
    The brain part of the shock adds a noticable amount of weight. I was surprized at the weight of my M5 epic 26er weight when I weighed it. It was almost 1/2 pound heavier than my M4 SJ frame!!!

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    Any recommendations for wheelset with hubs that work with the front and rear quick release and thru axle? Seems like a lot of folks dig the stan's offerings. A buddy has some Crossmaxes on his Tallboy that he swears by.

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    You can't go wrong with Stan's, Mavic or DT Swiss. I saw some nice wheelsets on eBay under "29er" in the mountain wheelsets section.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ambassadorhawg
    You can't go wrong with Stan's, Mavic or DT Swiss. I saw some nice wheelsets on eBay under "29er" in the mountain wheelsets section.
    pmed you

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    I'm just sad that when I decide to switch to another wheelset I'll be running a QR fork and will lose the stiffness that the OS28 is supposed to have.

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    So buy that bike, and beg and/or beat the dealer over the head to include a killer deal on a set of the new carbon Roval wheels. With retail at $1,500, you MAY save nearly 2 pounds for $1,000 if you play the deal right.
    Whining is not a strategy.

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    +1 on the Rovals. I had my first ride on them this weekend. Light and really laterally stiff. My Comp Carbon XL weighed 25.6 straight from the shop w/o pedals and with Rovals. Bike is a rocket ship.

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    for comparison, I just built a 2011 Epic 29er aluminum frame out of my own parts selection. It came out to 25.1 lbs.

    Frame: Large Epic Frame 29er (alloy)
    Fork: Reba XX, 100mm taperered
    Wheels: Notubes 29" Crest w/ American Classic hubs and revolution spokes (1450g's)
    Tires: Maxxis Aspen 2.1 (F), Geax Saguro 2.0 (R)
    Bars: Truvativ Noir Team carbon 31.8
    Stem: Bontrager Race X Lite
    Post: Thomson 30.9 Elite
    Saddle: Prologo Nago Ti
    Crank: Truvativ Noir 44/32/22
    F Der: X7 direct mount
    R Der: XO 9spd, med. cage
    Cassette: XTR 11/32
    Chain: XTR

    That was as light as my wallet and durability factor was willing to go. Obviously thats a far cry from the stock build, but thats where I ended up. I could have gone with the Notubes Race 29 wheelset, but opted for the Crest hoop (100g's difference).

    You asked about wheels, Id take a hard look at the ZTR Arch prebuilt wheels- theyre under $500 and are excellent wheels. 918xc.com has them instock.

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    Can the Rovals handle a fat eff like me (210lbs.)? What about the DT Swiss X420SL wheels from the Expert model. My dealer might be able to hook me up with a deal on those and I won't lose the OS28 quick release feature (assuming the Rovals can't handle my weight well).

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    I just bought my Comp 29 and upgraded a few things (ergon grips, brain cartridge in the reba, XT pedals and an easton handlebar) which most likely added weight to the bike. I`m in the same boat as you, looking for a wheelset that won't break the bank. At 210lbs myself, I`m going to definitely stay away from the Carbon Rovals....Just because I would be paranoid everytime I went for a ride!

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    Quote Originally Posted by TCW
    Can the Rovals handle a fat eff like me (210lbs.)? What about the DT Swiss X420SL wheels from the Expert model. My dealer might be able to hook me up with a deal on those and I won't lose the OS28 quick release feature (assuming the Rovals can't handle my weight well).
    Time will tell. I'm 6'4" and 223lbs. I had a set of Alu Rovals on my 10 Epic Comp 29er and felt flex. Also broke rear spokes twice. The carbon Rovals feel much stiffer. Spec rep said they could be respoked with standard DT Swiss straight pull spokes if needed. Figure I can go to a Competition or even a Champion set of spokes in the rear if needed. Still came out way cheaper than ENVE. Unbelievable acceleration and much faster line changes. I thought the handling was a tad slow on my 10 epic but I now know it was the gyroscopic effect of the wheels. Had to lighten my touch this weekend! The whole bike feels like one connected unit when railing corners. Love it! Also, Spec rep said weight difference between Carbon Comp and Alu Comp was 3/4lb. I'm also loving the 2x10. Doing everything I did in the middle ring before in the big ring. Shifting up front is very quick.

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    My Medium Carbon Comp 29er weighed 26.5 lbs on the scales with tubes and the stock resin pedals. Wheels are the first that have to go if you have money for them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TCW
    Can the Rovals handle a fat eff like me (210lbs.)? What about the DT Swiss X420SL wheels from the Expert model. My dealer might be able to hook me up with a deal on those and I won't lose the OS28 quick release feature (assuming the Rovals can't handle my weight well).
    What other options are out there for upgrading the wheel set, rims or hubs, consider the 142/setup and the os28?

    I'm very new to this, looking at an Epic Comp or Anthem x2 and a wheel upgrade for this spring, and it seems like the optiions are much harder to come by for the epic. But that may just be my perception?

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    Quote Originally Posted by seewhatididther
    What other options are out there for upgrading the wheel set, rims or hubs, consider the 142/setup and the os28?

    I'm very new to this, looking at an Epic Comp or Anthem x2 and a wheel upgrade for this spring, and it seems like the optiions are much harder to come by for the epic. But that may just be my perception?
    I don't know, hopefully somebody does. Anyone?

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    If you can swing it, get the Rovals. I just got mine and they are amazing. 28mm wide, 1450g, stiff and cheaper than any other major manufacturer carbon option out there. DT Swiss rear also.

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    Can a 210 lb. guy really notice a significant difference by making his bike 2 lbs. lighter?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabrabu
    Can a 210 lb. guy really notice a significant difference by making his bike 2 lbs. lighter?
    If the majority of the weight loss is in the wheelset, then ABSOLUTELY! Just be aware of lighter wheelsets. Make sure they can handle your weight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabrabu
    Can a 210 lb. guy really notice a significant difference by making his bike 2 lbs. lighter?
    Probably depends on how you define significant. When I got my full suspension I added about 3 pounds over my hardtail, I could really feel the weight. The comfort and downhill prowess was so much better I got used to it. Whenever I go back to the hardtail I'm a little weirded out by it's lightness at first but I totally dig what you're saying. I'm just not sure I'll ever be much lighter than 200 lbs., maybe 195 if I really starve and lose muscle mass. That said, I'd really like to weigh about 195 but the wife has threatened to leave me if I get skinnier than that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ambassadorhawg
    If the majority of the weight loss is in the wheelset, then ABSOLUTELY! Just be aware of lighter wheelsets. Make sure they can handle your weight.
    ++1

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    Quote Originally Posted by seewhatididther
    What other options are out there for upgrading the wheel set, rims or hubs, consider the 142/setup and the os28?

    I'm very new to this, looking at an Epic Comp or Anthem x2 and a wheel upgrade for this spring, and it seems like the optiions are much harder to come by for the epic. But that may just be my perception?

    Don't know of any other OS28 hubs, kind of feel like its the Spec band aid for their flexy wheels.
    At any rate We're building Hope pro2/supercomp/crests for a 125lbs customer. I'll post up some weight comparisons on wheels tomorrow.

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    Industry 9 offers a 12x142 rear axle conversion kit that allows their wheels to fit the Syntace X-12 System. Their 29er wheelsets use the Stans Rims and are in the 1600 to 1850 grams range.

    The I9 Enduros on my 2011 Epic 29er are not the lightest wheels at 1840 grams, but they are bullet proof. I am an average rider at 175lbs and the thoughts of chipping carbon away from my rims in a rock garden makes me feel a bit uncomfortable. My carbon cranks see enough abuse

    http://www.industrynine.net/

    http://www.syntace.com/index.cfm?pid=1&pk=1314

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randall in NC
    Industry 9 offers a 12x142 rear axle conversion kit that allows their wheels to fit the Syntace X-12 System. Their 29er wheelsets use the Stans Rims and are in the 1600 to 1850 grams range.

    The I9 Enduros on my 2011 Epic 29er are not the lightest wheels at 1840 grams, but they are bullet proof. I am an average rider at 175lbs and the thoughts of chipping carbon away from my rims in a rock garden makes me feel a bit uncomfortable. My carbon cranks see enough abuse

    http://www.industrynine.net/

    http://www.syntace.com/index.cfm?pid=1&pk=1314

    +1 on the Industry Nine wheels! I just built up my Epic Expert Evo R 29er yesterday with the I9 XC 29 wheels (gold spokes and hubs). They look incredible not to mention really stiff and quick with the 3 degree engagement. Other places to save weight are cassette, saddle, post, bars and stem. I dropped 3 lbs off the weight of the stock bike!

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    So far I love my epic carbon comp! Still deciding on rims, either ZTR Hubs laced with Arch's or DT Swiss 240's laced with Arch's for me.

    The only upgrades so far is a Thomson Setback seatpost, Gobi XM saddle and XT pedals (27.30lbs) not bad!!!

    Getting ready for my first 6hr solo Saturday on her, I cant wait!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by seewhatididther
    What other options are out there for upgrading the wheel set, rims or hubs, consider the 142/setup and the os28?

    I'm very new to this, looking at an Epic Comp or Anthem x2 and a wheel upgrade for this spring, and it seems like the optiions are much harder to come by for the epic. But that may just be my perception?

    your weight would be fine on the Roval EL 29er wheel set, most specialized wheelsets are rated for 250lb rider including gear, I spent all last year on control SL that weighed 1300grams without problems (I weigh about 195). My hardtail 29er has the EL29's and I love them. The EL29 set is built with Supercomp spokes and a solid rim, the rear axel can be swapped to the 142+ system with a DT Swiss conversion kit. If you can get a set I believe it would be well worth your money.

    With the warrenty you can t beat them. My only suggestion if you order them is have your dealer order a few extra spokes for the front and rear from specialized, they are a long straight pull spokes that many shops do not carry, nor are they readily avalible from the spoke suppliers.
    just ride... who cares how big your wheels are

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    I thought I would list my build (see below). I wanted something that would allow me to do to 12 hour rides on terrain ranging from fire roads to technical rocky descents. I am riding a heavier wheelset (1850 grams) and a 185MM rotor up front, but I feel that I need the extra robustness on the descents.

    I expected this build to weigh about a pound less than what it does. I could shop around for lighter tires, but the Captains work well for me on the various terrain I ride. Suggestions?



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    2011 Specialized Epic Medium Frameset (alloy)

    Fork: FOX F29 RC, 100mm taperered
    Wheels: Industry Nine Euduro 29ers (Notubes 29" Flow rims/Industry Nine hubs & spokes)
    Tires: Non S-Works Specialized Captain Controls 2.0 (I keep cutting the side walls on the S-Works Tires)
    Brakes: Custom Avid Elixir CR SL, hydraulic disc (185MM/160MM Rotors)
    Bars: Truvativ Noir Team carbon 31.8
    Stem: Thomson X4, 100MM
    Post: Thomson 30.9 Elite
    Saddle: Specialized Hendge (Expert TI Phenom on order)
    Crank: Truvativ Noir 44/32/22
    F Der: SLX direct mount
    R Der: XO 9spd, med. cage
    Cassette: SRAM 990 11/34
    Chain: KMC Hollow pin, X9SL
    Shifters: SRAM X9 9 Speed
    Pedals: Shimano M520

    Total weight = 27lbs 14oz (27lbs without pedals)
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    Quote Originally Posted by dpastore22
    So far I love my epic carbon comp! Still deciding on rims, either ZTR Hubs laced with Arch's or DT Swiss 240's laced with Arch's for me.

    The only upgrades so far is a Thomson Setback seatpost, Gobi XM saddle and XT pedals (27.30lbs) not bad!!!

    Getting ready for my first 6hr solo Saturday on her, I cant wait!!!

    Good Luck in your Race!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Randall in NC
    I thought I would list my build (see below). I wanted something that would allow me to do to 12 hour rides on terrain ranging from fire roads to technical rocky descents. I am riding a heavier wheelset (1850 grams) and a 185MM rotor up front, but I feel that I need the extra robustness on the descents.

    I expected this build to weigh about a pound less than what it does. I could shop around for lighter tires, but the Captains work well for me on the various terrain I ride. Suggestions?

    2011 Specialized Epic Medium Frameset (alloy)

    Fork: FOX F29 RC, 100mm taperered
    Wheels: Industry Nine Euduro 29ers (Notubes 29" Flow rims/Industry Nine hubs & spokes)
    Tires: Non S-Works Specialized Captain Controls 2.0 (I keep cutting the side walls on the S-Works Tires)
    Brakes: Custom Avid Elixir CR SL, hydraulic disc (185MM/160MM Rotors)
    Bars: Truvativ Noir Team carbon 31.8
    Stem: Thomson X4, 100MM
    Post: Thomson 30.9 Elite
    Saddle: Specialized Hendge (Expert TI Phenom on order)
    Crank: Truvativ Noir 44/32/22
    F Der: SLX direct mount
    R Der: XO 9spd, med. cage
    Cassette: SRAM 990 11/34
    Chain: KMC Hollow pin
    Pedals: Shimano M520

    Total weight = 27lbs 14oz (27lbs without pedals)
    Suggestions for shaving weight w/o compromising safety??
    Sure:

    Pedals: If you like Shimano: XTR Race; If you don't mind some float, 2ti Eggbeaters
    Seatpost: Thomson Masterpiece
    Chain: KMC SL9X or SL10X
    Cassette: Shimano XTR 970 11-34
    Front Der: Shimano XTR 970 Type-E w/o bracket (for Direct Mount)
    Grips: ESI foam (incredible!)

    What type of shifters?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ambassadorhawg
    Suggestions for shaving weight w/o compromising safety??
    Sure:

    Pedals: If you like Shimano: XTR Race; If you don't mind some float, 2ti Eggbeaters
    Seatpost: Thomson Masterpiece
    Chain: KMC SL9X or SL10X
    Cassette: Shimano XTR 970 11-34
    Front Der: Shimano XTR 970 Type-E w/o bracket (for Direct Mount)
    Grips: ESI foam (incredible!)

    What type of shifters?
    So at a glance, that would be about 300 grams of weight loss for $600? Maybe I should buy that S-Works Epic after all

    Any tire suggestions?

    I am using SRAM X-9 shifters, btw

    Thanks

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    I just bought a 2011 epic comp 29er. I was curious what settings most of you guys run the brain at for general xc/trail riding? I'm looking for good small, medium bump compliance with just a little damping to hold for when I stand to climb. I weigh about 180-185 with gear. I know this is really a ride and see how it feels type of adjustment but I was just curious since I just got the bike. Thanks!

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    Not familiar with the fork but with the rear shock brain, start at 4 clicks out from full. You'll probably be happy somewhere between 4 to 6 clicks back from full.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabrabu
    Can a 210 lb. guy really notice a significant difference by making his bike 2 lbs. lighter?

    big guys need sweet bike parts to!
    just ride... who cares how big your wheels are

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    Quote Originally Posted by ambassadorhawg
    Not familiar with the fork but with the rear shock brain, start at 4 clicks out from full. You'll probably be happy somewhere between 4 to 6 clicks back from full.
    Start 4 clicks out from full firm or full open?

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    Quote Originally Posted by 24hrsordie
    big guys need sweet bike parts to!
    I wonder, does a 160-ish lbs. rider notice a big difference dropping about 1.5 lbs. from their bike? I figure dropping a couple pounds for me is nearly 1% overall, so I wonder if the same percentage off for a lighter rider feels about the same? Maybe a 1% difference either way isn't really noticeable. Jabrabu, any thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TCW
    I wonder, does a 160-ish lbs. rider notice a big difference dropping about 1.5 lbs. from their bike? I figure dropping a couple pounds for me is nearly 1% overall, so I wonder if the same percentage off for a lighter rider feels about the same? Maybe a 1% difference either way isn't really noticeable. Jabrabu, any thoughts?
    If the weight is removed from the wheels mostly, then yes, ABSOLUTELY!!!! Rotational weight is the most noticable aspect of riding, especially climbing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ambassadorhawg
    If the weight is removed from the wheels mostly, then yes, ABSOLUTELY!!!! Rotational weight is the most noticable aspect of riding, especially climbing.
    Yeah, that's been my experience too. I even noticed on my heavier full suspension feeling a big difference when I got a wheelset that was only a bit lighter but the weight was concentrated nearer the hub than the rim compared to the old wheels. So maybe the most cost effective/performance upgrade is the Comp for around $2.6K with the Roval carbons (assuming I can get them for about a grand).

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    The carbons aren't just light, they are also very stiff. Also useful for us big guys.

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    Ordered my Epic Comp 29er yesterday.

    That lime green and black looks even better in person, judging from the floor model. The green looks great in bright light. It's like a metal-flake effect.

    I'm getting excited. I wasn't at first, since I have spent soooo much time scrutinizing my decision. I feel good about it now though. Convinced that the bang for the buck is really high for this bike. Got a great deal too. Not to mention it's a great LBS, and I look forward to dealing with them for setup, service, etc.

    LBS will do the tubeless set up for me when they build the bike.

    Definitely going to be looking at a wheel upgrade. A lot of the reason I got this model Epic is that it would leave me room to afford a nice wheel set. Still can't believe you have to get an S-Works to get better wheels. Sure, they are carbon Rovals, but still...

    The LBS said that DT Swiss and Mavic (I think) are working on components that will be direct-fit with the front and rear. I am strongly inclined to get something that natively fits.

    Someone suggested the OS28 hubs were a "Spec band aid for their flexy wheels". I don't think so. 29er wheels will be compared to 26" wheels for a long time. That comparison is bound to make 29" wheels look more flexible, because for a comparable build, 29" wheels will flex more than 26" wheels. Seems pretty logical to apply some new tech bits to address that. At least that's my opinion. In the end it doesn't matter, since the bike is on the way.


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    Start 4 clicks out from full firm or full open?
    Full firm

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    Congrats IndyDave. The green does look great, my riding buddy has one and it's sharp. I thought it blew the other one away based upon pics but then i actually saw the other one at the shop and it also looks really nice. The lbs did tell my friend that Mavic Crossmax wheels will soon have the OS28 thingies available, pretty sure I heard him correctly. They actually recommended those to him over the Rovals but I'm not really sure why, maybe it's the cost difference. Anyway, let us know your thoughts after you get some rides under your belt.

    Forgot to mention, he just did a couple upgrades, a Thomson Elite laid-back post and some Raceface Turbine riser bars.

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    Congrats on the Purchase, IndyDave. Nice to see another Green Epic 29er out there. You'll love it. While you're waiting for those wheels to hit the market, think about upgrading the fork with the brain cartridge! Only cost a few hundered and is an excellent upgrade!

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    Rode my epic comp 29er today. Set the rear shock with 180 psi (I weigh about 185 geared up). I set the brain fade 7 clicks from full firm. This seemed to give me a pretty good platform when pedaling and climbing. A few times just before a climb I re-set the rubber sag ring on the shock and then hammered the climb out of the saddle. I looked down after the climb and found that the ring didn't move, pretty sweet. The setting still gave me plushness over roots, rocks etc. I'm still trying to dial in the reba fork though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DTL
    Rode my epic comp 29er today. Set the rear shock with 180 psi (I weigh about 185 geared up). I set the brain fade 7 clicks from full firm. This seemed to give me a pretty good platform when pedaling and climbing. A few times just before a climb I re-set the rubber sag ring on the shock and then hammered the climb out of the saddle. I looked down after the climb and found that the ring didn't move, pretty sweet. The setting still gave me plushness over roots, rocks etc. I'm still trying to dial in the reba fork though.
    Very cool to hear about the rear suspension in action. That is going to be the first thing I test. It was the biggest selling point for me on the Epic.

    There is a guy at my local bike trail that is going to positively grill me on why I didn't get a Tallboy. Since he got one, everything else is a mistake. What you described about hammering a climb, plus the trail feature compliance is exactly what I am going to tell him. Not that it will do much good.

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    I think you will be pleased with the rear supension features of this bike. I noticed overall that I was a lot less tired at the end of my ride then when riding my old bike (2008 Giant Trance X1, 120 mm front and back, 26er). I'm crediting this to the efficiency of the bike. A lot less wasted energy but still an active rear suspension when you need it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TCW
    Congrats IndyDave. The green does look great, my riding buddy has one and it's sharp. I thought it blew the other one away based upon pics but then i actually saw the other one at the shop and it also looks really nice. The lbs did tell my friend that Mavic Crossmax wheels will soon have the OS28 thingies available, pretty sure I heard him correctly. They actually recommended those to him over the Rovals but I'm not really sure why, maybe it's the cost difference. Anyway, let us know your thoughts after you get some rides under your belt.

    Forgot to mention, he just did a couple upgrades, a Thomson Elite laid-back post and some Raceface Turbine riser bars.
    Lbs said the Mavics just never needed truing or anything. They are bulletproof. He couldn't recommend the Rovals for the money at all.


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    I replaced the 44 teeth ring on my 2011 Epic Comp 29er with a bash gaurd. I'm new to the sram components and was curious if I wanted to replace the 33 teeth ring with a 34 or 36 would I need to purchase a new crankset? It looks like the 33 teeth ring, spyder and crank arm are all one piece.

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    DTL, Sram only makes a 33 or 36 as far as I can tell.

    Look on page 46 of this pdf


    http://www.sram.com/_media/techdocs/..._Rev%20A.1.pdf


    Your hole spacing is 104 so Iím sure you could get any number of after market ring sizes.

    Could you post a pic of your set up. I have the same bike and never use the 44 tooth ring. Thinking of dropping it for more ground clearance.

    How do you prevent shifting off the middle ring? Doesnít look like the screw stop of the FD will go in far enough to prevent it.

    Did you say with the stock shifter and FD?

    THnaks


    Oh ya and no you donít have to buy a new crankset. The one you have is the same as many of the upper epic models with only 2 chain rings. The hole spacing is the same as the new 3x10 and old 3x9 but not the same as the sram dedicated 2x10 stuff.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lafawnduh
    DTL, Sram only makes a 33 or 36 as far as I can tell.

    Look on page 46 of this pdf


    http://www.sram.com/_media/techdocs/..._Rev%20A.1.pdf


    Your hole spacing is 104 so Iím sure you could get any number of after market ring sizes.

    Could you post a pic of your set up. I have the same bike and never use the 44 tooth ring. Thinking of dropping it for more ground clearance.

    How do you prevent shifting off the middle ring? Doesnít look like the screw stop of the FD will go in far enough to prevent it.

    Did you say with the stock shifter and FD?

    THnaks


    Oh ya and no you donít have to buy a new crankset. The one you have is the same as many of the upper epic models with only 2 chain rings. The hole spacing is the same as the new 3x10 and old 3x9 but not the same as the sram dedicated 2x10 stuff.
    I replaced the 44t ring with arace face 36t bashgaurd. Figure if I ever go to t a36t ring it would still give me coverage. I kept the same x7 three ring fd. Just limited it by turning the outermost screw clockwise a few turns. It cant shift outward off the middle ring since the bashgaurd is there to block it. Here are a few pics. I'm still confused about the 33 t ring though. How do I seperate it from the crank arm spider? It looks like its all one piece.
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    Anybody know what the stock wheelset weight is on the 2011 epic comp 29er? Just curious.

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    Over 1900, but did get exact weight.

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    Over 1900, but did get exact weight.
    Not too bad for a stock 29er wheelset.

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    Cranksets and shops

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    I'm a new rider. Did a lot of research and rode as many bikes as I could find. I'm picking up a new Epic Comp 29er this week (and I'm really excited). I'm starting on fire roads and trails. Hope to hit some more difficult stuff, but am unlikely to do much that's really technical, because I'm older than dirt. 2 questions:

    --Cranksets/chainrings. I bought the Epic Comp instead of the Stumpy Elite because it seemed a better climber and I don't need as much travel/heavy duty capability as on the Stumpy. But I loved the 2X10 setup on the Elite. Seemed easier for a newbie like me, and fairly efficient. Is it worth spending a few hundred more to put a 2x10 setup on the Epic Comp 29er? Would I necessarily lose much at the high and low ends? Or maybe I should just ride the stock setup for a while and see? Advice?

    --Shops. I eventually found a lbs I liked. I first tried a lbs very close to where I live. But they had some real attitude (maybe because I'm north of 50), and didn't have a bike I could demo. What's up with that? I was willing to pay for the demo, but it was no go. Do shops really expect folks to make this kind of a purchase without being able to try a bike on a trail?

    Thanks! I have learned a lot from these forums.

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    I was considering one of the carbon Epics and was kinda excited to try the 2x10. A bit of a let-down with my new Comp being 3x instead, but I figure no big deal.

    I won't be shelling out the bucks any time soon to convert to 2x10 since lighter wheels will pay off in spades by comparison. Reducing rotational weight is key, especially on a 29'er.

    One of the biggest reasons I went with the Comp was to have some money left in the budget to change wheels and tires relatively soon. Seemed crazy to me to pay another $1,000 for a carbon front triangle or another $800 beyond that for the Elite and still not get better wheels in the package.

    Regarding, "Do shops really expect folks to make this kind of a purchase without being able to try a bike on a trail?" - they do around here. I bought my Epic 29er Comp without riding one. 4 Spechy LBS shops in a reasonable driving distance to me in the Indy area and no one even had an XL to look at, let alone take out and ride. I am conifident, however, that the Comp 29er will address the things I want in a new bike. Time will tell.

    Congrats on your new bike. Enjoy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndyDave
    I was considering one of the carbon Epics and was kinda excited to try the 2x10. A bit of a let-down with my new Comp being 3x instead, but I figure no big deal.

    I won't be shelling out the bucks any time soon to convert to 2x10 since lighter wheels will pay off in spades by comparison. Reducing rotational weight is key, especially on a 29'er.

    One of the biggest reasons I went with the Comp was to have some money left in the budget to change wheels and tires relatively soon. Seemed crazy to me to pay another $1,000 for a carbon front triangle or another $800 beyond that for the Elite and still not get better wheels in the package.

    Regarding, "Do shops really expect folks to make this kind of a purchase without being able to try a bike on a trail?" - they do around here. I bought my Epic 29er Comp without riding one. 4 Spechy LBS shops in a reasonable driving distance to me in the Indy area and no one even had an XL to look at, let alone take out and ride. I am conifident, however, that the Comp 29er will address the things I want in a new bike. Time will tell.

    Congrats on your new bike. Enjoy!
    Thanks for the fast reply!

    I guess I should just ride and enjoy and then think about what to upgrade, if anything, further down the trail. Good advice about the wheels.

    Interesting to hear about the shops in your area. At least for a novice like me, nothing was as helpful as actually getting on the bikes.

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    Most of specialized 2x10 stuff is just smoke and mirrors. It is nothing more than a triple crank with the big ring removed. Some people call this a triple double. The difference between the comp model with a 3x10 and the two levels abouve it with the so called 2x10 is not that much. I have a comp model and although I have very few rides on it I can already tell that the 44 tooth ring will rarely get used. I took the big ring off. I did this mostly because I love to tweak stuff and the extra ground clearance will be nice. I cut up a old ring to make spacers so I could use the stock ring bolts, got a $40.00 X7 2x10 FD off ebay (maybe could even use the stock 3x10 FD) and now my bike is similar to what specialized calls 2x10. I also have the gearing that I prefer. I need a 22 tooth ring to haul my butt up hills and the 33 tooth will give me all the speed I can usually generate off road. My 3x10 front shifter works just fine as the limiting screw on the FD only allows me to shift between the two front rings. If you want you can also add a med cage RD if you want a shorter chain. Some thread on MTBR is talking about a 20/30/30 triple on a epic 29er. To me that sounds good but hard to find rings.


    Any way don’t be bummed that your epic comp is not a 2x10 as it is easy to convert it and because of the ring hole spacing you will have quite a few ring option open for you.


    I wanted to add that even though the specialized stuff is not a true authentic 2x10 I think they are smart because of the range of gearing options us mortals can have. Especially with the lower climbing gears.



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    Wow, great to hear. Guess I should ride a while and figure out if I'm using the big gear. This is by far the least expensive option for 2x10.

    Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lafawnduh
    Most of specialized 2x10 stuff is just smoke and mirrors. It is nothing more than a triple crank with the big ring removed.
    Yep, that appears to be true. Look at the photo of the SRAM cranks on my Stumpy FSR Expert 29er. They appear to be the X.0 triple crankset with the big ring replaced with a bashguard. They do spec a 2x10 front derailleur, but a triple FD will work too.

    The 22/33 chainrings work great for me on a 29er trail bike on the technical trails I ride. If I were racing, or if I rode fast smooth trails I might want something bigger than a 33, but so far the gearing has plenty of high and low range for me.
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    I think I have it where I want it, now. It has a Raceface riser bar, Thomsen setback post, Salsa collar, and now a new set of American Classic wheels.



    Bike weight before wheel change - 29.8. After - 28.4. Can't wait to ride it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ambassadorhawg
    The wheelset on that bike weighs 2198 grams w/skewers. You can do a heck of a lot better than that. A wheelset in the 1700-1800 gram range would save you around one pound!

    I'm seeing wheelsets in that weight range on eBay for about $500 bucks.
    The comp 29 rear wheel weighs in at 1630 grams with the HG81 cassette and avid disc without tyre and tube, my new wheel, (stans crest rim, dt 240 6hole hub, dt revolution spokes and brass nipples) with xx cassette and ashima disc comes in at 1115 grams without tyre and tube. Can't wait to build up the whole bike, but still waiting for some parts.
    I maybe getting older but i refuse to grow up!

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    [QUOTE=IndyDave

    One of the biggest reasons I went with the Comp was to have some money left in the budget to change wheels and tires relatively soon. Seemed crazy to me to pay another $1,000 for a carbon front triangle or another $800 beyond that for the Elite and still not get better wheels in the package.

    Regarding, "Do shops really expect folks to make this kind of a purchase without being able to try a bike on a trail?" - they do around here. I bought my Epic 29er Comp without riding one. 4 Spechy LBS shops in a reasonable driving distance to me in the Indy area and no one even had an XL to look at, let alone take out and ride. I am conifident, however, that the Comp 29er will address the things I want in a new bike. Time will tell.

    I insisted my buyer get '10 Epic demos as the '09 were clapped out at this point. My test ride on the 09, make me question my '10 order! I have also ridden the Tallboy multiple times and was questioning my Epic order even further. After the '11 Epic Demo came in I took it on its maiden voyage and I;m back with the Epic. It was a great bike that was lots of fun. I've ridden/ride 1500-1600 gram wheels and I have to say the stockers didn't feel porky at all. I suspect a lot of the weight is in the hub.

    I knocked well over 2 lbs of a team riders Epic Comp by replacing, Easton EC70 wide bar, Thompson Masterpiece post, SRAM 1080 cassette, WCS stem, Hope/supercomp/Crest wheels, bolt on seat collar, ESI Chunkys. Not cheap, but knocking off weight seldom is. The racer gets a discount, but I believe the $$ spent on weight reduction was the difference between the Comp and Comp carbon. Cassette and wheels were the brunt of it, I suspect you'd need a beefier rim!
    Enjoy your awesome new bike!

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    First visit back to this thread in quite a while.

    Been riding my Comp for months. Overall I love it! Zero regrets. If this bike is on your short list, odds are you will be thrilled with it. I am.

    Stock XL with SPD's = 28.8 lbs. :-O

    I call it my "diesel locomotive" - I turn a tall gear and just keep it rolling. It's a freight train - get it up to speed and keep it there and it will roll, baby, roll.

    Definitely not a "flickable" bike, but then I didn't expect it to be. Can be tough getting the front wheel up when coming into a steep obstacle. Gotta work on that more.

    Super impressed with how fast and tight I can carve turns with it. That was a concern before I bought it. My local bike trail has a lot of fast, tight, slalom-course type corners. I find it helps to get a bit of weight on the front. It shreds through tight stuff. Surprised how well it does at nearly 29 pounds. It's clearly the Epic XC race geometry kicking in. The front tire (The Captain) has been great. Surprised how much I like it. The rear (Renegade) has been OK. No complaints. Went tubeless from the start. I run 25 psi up front and 32 in the rear. I run that high in the back since my local trail has some quick, high g-load "whoops" where you can really load up the back end. I don't want to burp the tire and the grip is fine, even at 32 psi.

    The 3x10 has disappointed a bit, but after one trip back to the shop for tweaks, the shifting is tolerable.

    Front brake rotor has a thickness issue. LBS blew me off - telling me it's slightly warped. BS. Not warped. Gonna have to buy a new front rotor on my own dime. It pulses when you try to modulate your speed with light to medium braking. Grrr.

    It's a great climber. No doubt. Brain is the bomb.

    As many people say, the stock seat clamp is crap. Went to a cheap, lever-less replacement.

    I may pull the trigger next year on a lighter bike. Quite possibly a hardtail. It would be a second bike, since the Epic is a keeper. Just getting a bit of an itch for a lighter bike that is a contrast to this Epic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jabrabu View Post
    Yep, that appears to be true. Look at the photo of the SRAM cranks on my Stumpy FSR Expert 29er. They appear to be the X.0 triple crankset with the big ring replaced with a bashguard. They do spec a 2x10 front derailleur, but a triple FD will work too.

    The 22/33 chainrings work great for me on a 29er trail bike on the technical trails I ride. If I were racing, or if I rode fast smooth trails I might want something bigger than a 33, but so far the gearing has plenty of high and low range for me.
    I was looking at a '12 Comp Carbon at the LBS yesterday and was kinda confused that the Chainring had 3x10 printed on it even though it was a 2x10 setup. Makes total sense now

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndyDave View Post
    First visit back to this thread in quite a while.

    Been riding my Comp for months. Overall I love it! Zero regrets. If this bike is on your short list, odds are you will be thrilled with it. I am.

    Stock XL with SPD's = 28.8 lbs. :-O

    I call it my "diesel locomotive" - I turn a tall gear and just keep it rolling. It's a freight train - get it up to speed and keep it there and it will roll, baby, roll.

    Definitely not a "flickable" bike, but then I didn't expect it to be. Can be tough getting the front wheel up when coming into a steep obstacle. Gotta work on that more.

    Super impressed with how fast and tight I can carve turns with it. That was a concern before I bought it. My local bike trail has a lot of fast, tight, slalom-course type corners. I find it helps to get a bit of weight on the front. It shreds through tight stuff. Surprised how well it does at nearly 29 pounds. It's clearly the Epic XC race geometry kicking in. The front tire (The Captain) has been great. Surprised how much I like it. The rear (Renegade) has been OK. No complaints. Went tubeless from the start. I run 25 psi up front and 32 in the rear. I run that high in the back since my local trail has some quick, high g-load "whoops" where you can really load up the back end. I don't want to burp the tire and the grip is fine, even at 32 psi.

    The 3x10 has disappointed a bit, but after one trip back to the shop for tweaks, the shifting is tolerable.

    Front brake rotor has a thickness issue. LBS blew me off - telling me it's slightly warped. BS. Not warped. Gonna have to buy a new front rotor on my own dime. It pulses when you try to modulate your speed with light to medium braking. Grrr.

    It's a great climber. No doubt. Brain is the bomb.

    As many people say, the stock seat clamp is crap. Went to a cheap, lever-less replacement.

    I may pull the trigger next year on a lighter bike. Quite possibly a hardtail. It would be a second bike, since the Epic is a keeper. Just getting a bit of an itch for a lighter bike that is a contrast to this Epic.
    Call sram they will probably send you a new rotor.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GTR2ebike View Post
    Call sram they will probably send you a new rotor.
    Great call. SRAM guy was super nice. He did say it would have to come through my LBS.

    I called the LBS and told the guy and he said they would call SRAM. Not sure why I didn't push back when I was picking up the bike. Also not sure why the LBS would hesitate to initiate the rotor replacement in the first place.

    Anyway, thanks for the nudge to check back into it.

    Now, hopefully the LBS will just give it to me and not tell me I have to pay for them to put it on...

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    While we are on the topic of the 29er Comp...

    I have been searching in vain to figure out what all I would need to order from Stan's to put a set of Arch wheels on my bike. I see they have adapter kits of various sizes, but what do I need?

    I just want to price out one of their stock Arch 29er wheel sets, along with the appropriate hub kit(s) and anything else needed.

    Sorry - I know wheels are discussed here a ton, but just want to be sure - as far my bike, and I didn't find it.

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    check out the Camber Pro 2934. In my opinion it's the in between the Comp and Carbon Comp that specialized was alotting for. It should weight a titch less and also be an upgrade in componentry and travel.

    I rode an SJ, Epic and Camber 29 all back to back last week and honestly the SJ climbs as well as the Epic in everything but the steepest of steeps and descends tons better. The Camber acts like an Epic without the brain and ultra twitchy front end, which I prefer... even on a race bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LetsGoOutside View Post
    check out the Camber Pro 2934. In my opinion it's the in between the Comp and Carbon Comp that specialized was alotting for. It should weight a titch less and also be an upgrade in componentry and travel.

    I rode an SJ, Epic and Camber 29 all back to back last week and honestly the SJ climbs as well as the Epic in everything but the steepest of steeps and descends tons better. The Camber acts like an Epic without the brain and ultra twitchy front end, which I prefer... even on a race bike.
    This is interesting. I may be going to Moab next month. Rim Cycles has Camber Comp 29er and SJ Comp 29er rentals. No Epics.

    Trying to decide which to rent. The plushness of the SJ would be nice on the bevy of technical bits in Moab, not to mention the downhills, but I don't want to be draggin arse on climbs.

    I love the turn-in and overall feel of my Epic. Maybe the Camber would be a good compromise between the two.

    If the Camber doesn't climb significantly better, I would probably lean towards the SJ for that terrain.

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    Tubeless - Rim Strips on stock setup?

    Recently picked up a 2011 epic comp XL. I'm 6'2 and a lanky 190lbs. So far I've loved this bike, I am screaming up hills like never before. I'm considering going tubeless though. After 4 rides and 2 thorns later I need to put some stans in it and figure might as well go tubeless.

    Reading around it seems most people are getting things to seat and inflate with the stock DT Swiss x450SL rims and 2bliss ready captain and renegade tires that came on the bike, getting stans tape, some goo, and new valve stems. The LBS I bought the bike from says I should get the kit with the rim strips. Any thoughts? Anyone done this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dmboarder View Post
    I think I have it where I want it, now. It has a Raceface riser bar, Thomsen setback post, Salsa collar, and now a new set of American Classic wheels...
    I am interested in your wheel build. I looked at the American Classic web site but don't have a clue as to how to come up with all the pieces and parts needed to put a set of their wheels on my '11 Epic Comp.

    Would you fill me in on the hubs, spokes, rims, and other parts that went into your wheel build?

    Does American Classic build them up, or do you have to go to a LBS?

    What I am looking for is something similar to the Stan's Arch 29 with the Stan's hubs. Nothing fancy, but getting the right stuff for the 9mm front through-bolt and the 142+ back end is a challenge.

    I am 6'4" and 200 lbs. I don't race and I don't want to worry about super light wheels getting taco'd. Just looking to get some good bang-for-the-buck when replacing the stockers.

    Thanks!

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    I told my LBS to build up the bike tubeless when it came in. They put in the strips and juiced it up for me before I ever saw it, so that's all I have been riding. Works well. The front has to be aired up each ride. The rear is good for a couple of days. I don't care since I always check pressure before every ride. Pleased overall.

    Crazy grip with the front at 25 psi - no burps yet. Love the front (The Captain). Magical grippy goodness. The rear I keep at 32 psi, since my local trail has some really fast, high g-load dips in a number of spots. Under 32 psi in the back you have to be careful not to be seated when flying through the low spots that have some turning involved. It loads the sidewalls and can make the outer tread block rub. Never burped the rear with 25 psi, but did get some rubbing once. Even at 32 psi the grip in the back is decent on all but loose, dusty, fast corners where your going to slide with just about anything.

    Get the stuff! Strip it! Juice it! Ride it!

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    The LBS I bought the bike from says I should get the kit with the rim strips. Any thoughts? Anyone done this?

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    Quote Originally Posted by TrekSErider View Post
    for comparison, I just built a 2011 Epic 29er aluminum frame out of my own parts selection. It came out to 25.1 lbs.

    Frame: Large Epic Frame 29er (alloy)
    Fork: Reba XX, 100mm taperered
    Wheels: Notubes 29" Crest w/ American Classic hubs and revolution spokes (1450g's)
    Tires: Maxxis Aspen 2.1 (F), Geax Saguro 2.0 (R)
    Bars: Truvativ Noir Team carbon 31.8
    Stem: Bontrager Race X Lite
    Post: Thomson 30.9 Elite
    Saddle: Prologo Nago Ti
    Crank: Truvativ Noir 44/32/22
    F Der: X7 direct mount
    R Der: XO 9spd, med. cage
    Cassette: XTR 11/32
    Chain: XTR

    That was as light as my wallet and durability factor was willing to go. Obviously thats a far cry from the stock build, but thats where I ended up. I could have gone with the Notubes Race 29 wheelset, but opted for the Crest hoop (100g's difference).

    You asked about wheels, Id take a hard look at the ZTR Arch prebuilt wheels- theyre under $500 and are excellent wheels. 918xc.com has them instock.

    What do you do about the 142+ rear hub spacing?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgsuarez View Post
    What do you do about the 142+ rear hub spacing?
    Per Bob at NoTubes, "You need to order a custom rear wheel built with our HD 12 x 135 mm hub. Include part ZH15 12 x 142 kit and ask us to install it in the notes."

    The rear derailleur will have to be adjusted, since things will be off by roughly 2mm.

    Pulled the trigger yesterday.

    I'm getting the ZTR "Arch" wheels, since I tip the scales in the 200 range. Excited to take them for a spin!

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    Keep us posted!!! I want new wheels as well. Thanks for doing the background work.
    '11 - Epic Comp 29er - Size M
    Weight - 26 lbs 14 ozs
    Mods - Trail SLs, XT Cassette, ESI Foam Grips, Candy 1, EC90

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    Quote Originally Posted by uzj100 View Post
    Keep us posted!!! I want new wheels as well. Thanks for doing the background work.
    The only thing to add is that the front hub comes with quick-release end caps. To retain the 9mm through-bolt (AKA, DT Swiss "RWS") I will have to drill the quick release caps out to 9mm.

    Bob said they would have those end caps for sale around mid October. I decided not to wait. If I screw up my drilling bad enough, I can get the "real" caps in a month.

    I'll let you know how I do.

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    Have a possible demo 2011 epic (non-carbon) asking 2200 ...... rode the bugger and loved it. For a demo is that a good deal?

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    They can go lower on the demo. The Specialized shop here in Asheville has one for $1859, size medium.

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    Quote Originally Posted by abbeytrails View Post
    Congrats on the Purchase, IndyDave. Nice to see another Green Epic 29er out there. You'll love it. While you're waiting for those wheels to hit the market, think about upgrading the fork with the brain cartridge! Only cost a few hundered and is an excellent upgrade!
    More info on this please? Thanks

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    Anyone know if the Rovals on a 2012 Epic Comp 29er Alum. are tubeless ready? Can I just use Yellow or Blue rim tape and some Stans and air up? Thanks

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    Indydave. I have the american classic on my 11 epic comp. i weigh in at 210-220 loaded up with the camel back and I have had no problems at all with the wheels. theigh weigh in at 1680grams and my large epic is 27.3 lbs. Also running them tubeless. I am running a 9 speed sram cassette, carbon bar,the seat is from my old medium 2010 epic that was to small.. the seat is the ti version and eggbeaters for the pedals. I will loose some weight in the rear tire when i change over to the renegade which is coming soon. but other than that the wheels made all the difference in the world.cant wait to loose a pound more in the back tire. I am still looking for other ways to shave the weight. The seat post clamp is a peice of s@!^t , as is the seat clamp. So I am trying to find a nice replacement there also.

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    I am thinking crest in front and arch out back. Hopefully in the Xmas timeframe.
    '11 - Epic Comp 29er - Size M
    Weight - 26 lbs 14 ozs
    Mods - Trail SLs, XT Cassette, ESI Foam Grips, Candy 1, EC90

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    ZTR Arch 29 wheelset installed and tested!

    Caps drilled out. Rotors, cassette and tires mounted. Rear derailleur adjusted. Great first ride - very pleased.

    Here is the loooong story...

    Drilling out the caps was easy. The hardware store didn't have a 9mm drill bit so I got a 23/64" and it worked fine. That's only .005" bigger diameter. With a cordless drill and the red-neck parts jig I put together (pictures) it wasn't going to make any difference. The through-bolt axle is there for tension - not bearing any load to speak of - just keeping the hub clamped to the dropouts. I scratched the outer diameter of the caps a tiny bit with the vise grips, but it's not a bearing or rotating surface anyway. The dropouts don't even rest on that part. Can't see it once on the bike. Glad I went ahead and did it. Zero downside.

    The stock tires (Captain - front & Renegade - rear) mounted easily and aired up tubeless as easily as any I have done. No problem getting the beads to set. Left them at 40 psi overnight just to see what pressures they had the next morning. Just a tick under 40.

    No issues putting on the rotors and cassette. It was a simple as it should have been. I had to adjust the front caliper a little, but the rear was spot-on right away. I took the bike to my LBS and had them adjust the rear derailleur. No problems. Shifting was as good as before.

    The next day I took a "little" test ride. 27 miles total with 5,293 feet of total elevation
    (Brown County State Park 1)
    (Brown County State Park 2)

    There is no better place to test the wheels within 500 miles of me. Fast stuff, steep stuff, rock gardens, elevation, etc. I was able to put these wheels to the test right out of the box. From flying through the flowy beginner trails to gutting out the advanced and expert trails - Brown County has it all.

    The biggest thing I noticed was the rear hub. Big improvement over the stock hub - as has been discussed on these forums quite a bit. It was so nice to not have that huge dead-space when you go to pedal and have it clunk into the next engagement point like the stock hub does. It was strange to hear a different sound coming from the hub when coasting - basically just sounded like twice the ratchet rate, which i guess it is. Not super loud. Sounds good.

    I ran the front tire at 29 psi and the rear at 32. My local trail will be a better place to experiment with lower pressures. I wasn't going to push it on my first ride, knowing I would be doing a lot of miles and techy stuff. The pressures seemed fine.

    As far as the performance of the wheels it felt like they flexed a bit less than the stock wheels. They felt a bit lighter / more responsive, but I can't say it transformed the bike into a whole different experience. I did not expect they would. Lighter wheels will make a long day of riding easier, even if you don't feel it every moment.

    My local trail, which I have yet to ride with these wheels, is really fast with a lot of tight, high-speed corners. I am eager to see how they feel there. I expect to feel an improvement there.

    This bike has been a significant improvement for me versus my '07 Stumpjumper. Very noticeable performance improvement in climbing, cornering and overall ride. While this bike was a great replacement for old Stumpy, I see myself finally going to two bikes next year. The Epic won't get replaced, but the weight of this bike makes me want to get something lighter. As I have said, this Epic is a freight train. Get it up to speed and turn a big gear like a diesel locomotive. I would like to have a sportier bike in the stable along with it.

    All of that being said, I think these Stan's wheels are a great fit for my Epic. I don't see myself putting a lot of new parts on my bike to lighten it up. For me, the cost of Arch's was all that I was willing to put into this bike as far as wheels. I may not doing any other significant changes from here. I will likely ride it with this setup for years.

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    Would it be worth rebuilding the Spec. hubs with some Crests rims? Would the builder have to do anything different for the 142+. I have Some Roval Control SLs 142+ so I dont really want to have to adjust my R. Derail. back and forth. Can you buy the Nicer 142+ hubs with better internals from Specialized?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgsuarez View Post
    Would it be worth rebuilding the Spec. hubs with some Crests rims? Would the builder have to do anything different for the 142+. I have Some Roval Control SLs 142+ so I dont really want to have to adjust my R. Derail. back and forth. Can you buy the Nicer 142+ hubs with better internals from Specialized?
    Good points and good questions. It's beyond my knowledge but I will be interested to hear the answers.

    I was OK with going with a hub that would require the rear derailleur adjustment. I may use my stock wheels for studded tires this winter, but I think I can make the adjustments myself. I need to get better at derailleur adjustment anyway. I have been accumulating better bike tools, have a great work stand and generally enjoy doing things myself.

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    Anyone know what the stock hubs weigh?

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    IndyDave - Did you do a before and after weight? After you installed the Arch wheels?
    '11 - Epic Comp 29er - Size M
    Weight - 26 lbs 14 ozs
    Mods - Trail SLs, XT Cassette, ESI Foam Grips, Candy 1, EC90

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    If anyone is interested here are my thoughts on the bike after 9 months of riding.

    Great geometry and ride. Firm rear suspension when climbing. Carves through fast, tight stuff very well. Great bang for the buck.

    The brakes have been disappointing. The dreaded turkey gobble noise and a front rotor that has a thick spot so it pulses. Plenty of stopping power but Avids on my previous bike did the same. I hope to avoid Avids from here on.

    The 2011 Comp should have been 2x10. It shifts poorly even after multiple trips to a great shop. If you are in a gear in the back much bigger than the middle of the cassette and you want to drop down a chainring in the front you will drop down past the chainring you wanted. If you were in the big chainring you will go to the small. If you were at the middle the chain will jump down and wrap around the bottom bracket. I was spoiled with my 2007 Stumpy. I could be in any gear and shift in the front with no problems. No surprise the 2012s are all 2x10. The 3x10 simply does not work well on the 2011. This bike doesn't warrant the $$$ to change it.

    The bike is too heavy for some of what I want to do. I am looking at the Expert Carbon Epic and the Superfly 100 Elite. Going to race next year. May train on the comp and race on the other.

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    I read most of the post but not all-
    anyway I have a 2012 Epic comp carbon (medium)
    I upgraded and or added the following:
    osi grips chunky
    X9 crankset 26-39
    xo shifters, rear d, front d
    set up tubeless
    thomson masterpiece seatpost
    xtr trail pedals
    garmin mount
    water bottle cage
    everything else is stock and it came in at 25.13lbs
    I do have some stan's arch wheels with house ztr hubs (they make a 142+ and a 9mm rws adapter) I haven't put them on yet though. But I weight them, 3.6 lbs or 1633g for under $500.00 the hubs are great and have more engagement plus lighter and less $ then Hope hubs..
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    Good points, I went with a 2012, You should still consider going 2X 10, just find a good deal. I have the same problem with my Elixers. I ended up changing out my rotors, much better now. Avid is losing a lot of customers. My small comp is down to 23.8 lbs. With Carbon Rovals. I'm going to try and race it at this weight. Otherwise a great bike! Maybe Spec. should go back to Shimano.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgsuarez View Post

    ...You should still consider going 2X 10, just find a good deal.
    Good point. I am leaning towards getting the Superfly 100 Elite and in that case would like to keep the '11 Epic Comp but I would have to convert it to 2x10. Since I wouldn't have to hurry I could hunt around and find good deals on the parts.

    I will be switching to metallic pads and that will hopefully make the brakes tolerable. If not, I may be able to get a great deal on Magura brakes. Don't know much about them, but good to have as an option.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dmboarder View Post
    I think I have it where I want it, now. It has a Raceface riser bar, Thomsen setback post, Salsa collar, and now a new set of American Classic wheels.



    Bike weight before wheel change - 29.8. After - 28.4. Can't wait to ride it.
    Great looking build!

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