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    2010 Enduro review?

    Anyone seen any magazine or decent online reviews of the 2010 enduro? I'd like to check one out but all I can find is press clips from the release.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mgunstudios
    Anyone seen any magazine or decent online reviews of the 2010 enduro? I'd like to check one out but all I can find is press clips from the release.
    I had a chance to ride the Expert this summer in at Snowbird. I owned an 08 Carbon SL and honestly, the bike didn't do much for me. It did pedal great, but it was just dead feeling and I was never able to get the fork tuned right. Needless to say I was stoked to try the new one as it seemed to fit what I was looking for a bit better. It still climbed really well, I'd say as well as my 08 did, but it was a blast to rip down hill. The frame was significantly stiffer, but the bike just felt great at speed. The slightly lower BB helped it corner and it was just really fun to ride. The best way I can explain it is... it's a lightweight SX Trail that pedals SUPER well. If I were to only own 1 bike, this would be it!!!
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    Here ya go:

    http://www.tredzblog.co.uk/2009/09/s...10-review.html

    I am picking up my new Enduro tomorrow, and will get a run in Downieville as well. I'll post up impressions this weekend.

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    The 2010 Enduro kills D'Ville! The bike was made for trails like that. I rode it for the All Mtn this year and took 3 minutes off my DH time, and 10 minutes off my XC time from 2008 which was raced on a Stumpy.

    I will be in Downieville this Sunday/Monday w/ a new Enduro. Shout at me, I can help you get it dialed!

    The trails should be super ripper!!!!

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    I tested the Enduro 2010 and was disappointed. The rear shock did not have the floating feeling of the 08-09 models, the front fork didnt impress either. The worst was however that I always had the feeling of almost flying over the front bar on big dumps. The 08-09 model seemed to be a much better balanced bike.

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    I have the 2010 Enduro test bike on loan from the LBS at the moment, and rode the first ride yesterday. Even if it is too large for me (frame size L, my bikes are M), it still felt really nimble and flickable. I especially liked the way the fork lifted from the ground effortlessly and with good control. Manuals should be easy with this bike. I did not play around with the fork/shock much yet, but the ride was really smooth already. Can't wait for tomorrows ride!

    Overall it seems like a great combination of my Stumpjumper FSR 07 and SX Trail 05 (and then some), might have to wait for Ibis Mojo HD before making any purchases though... if I don't fall more in love during the next week

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    Quote Originally Posted by Molby
    I tested the Enduro 2010 and was disappointed. The rear shock did not have the floating feeling of the 08-09 models, the front fork didnt impress either. The worst was however that I always had the feeling of almost flying over the front bar on big dumps. The 08-09 model seemed to be a much better balanced bike.

    Somtimes I think I might fly off the toilet on big dumps...

    Seriously though, something must have been weird w/ the suspension setup on the bike you tried. In comparison to the 2009 Enduro, the 2010 model feels more plush and seems to squat into the travel and rail more like a DH bike. But it is still way light and stiff and climbs great.

    For me the 2010 Enduro is a far superior machine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Molby
    I tested the Enduro 2010 and was disappointed. The rear shock did not have the floating feeling of the 08-09 models, the front fork didnt impress either. The worst was however that I always had the feeling of almost flying over the front bar on big dumps. The 08-09 model seemed to be a much better balanced bike.
    Floating rear shock ???

    Flying over the bar LOL ! Its got a slacker head angle than the old model so I don't know what you're on about. Maybe you had triple the spring rate rear to front ?

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    Something is lost in translation here. ( im norwegian)
    I didnt like the rebound on the rear shock as it was either veeeeeeeeeeery slow or too fast.


    Quote Originally Posted by JCL
    Floating rear shock ???

    Flying over the bar LOL ! Its got a slacker head angle than the old model so I don't know what you're on about. Maybe you had triple the spring rate rear to front ?

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    Apologies for my comments Molby. I didn't realise you wrere from Norway. Your English is far better than my Norwegian !

    However, I'm sure your issues regarding the new Enduro are suspension set-up related. If it isn't better in every aspect with the possible exception on climbing something s wrong.

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    I ve got my enduro and im reli happy about it
    i never have a problem of flying over bars and thing like that on enduro

    i went for some more aggressive DH trails and apporch some huge drops (for what this bike design to handle, about 3,4 meters of air in height, 15-20 foot gap into landing) yesterday and it seems to be handling fine and even as well as my mates old (03 i think)big hit
    other than that i have to say again its a very light 6 inch travel freeride-able bike, mine is 30.05lbs, its so light that just launch you up to air on whatever jump you intend to apporch
    its one of the best bike lightest fr machine avilable so GET IT

    Molby: may be you are just not pulling up when you apporch drops + put your rear shock's rebound slower(im running 3 clicks away from full firm on it
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    I posted up a base impressions of my Comp version here:
    Post up your 2010 Enduro

    So far I have only had one ride and that was rock embedded valley trails, no Downieville as it rained the entire day I was there , and it took me most of the day to build up the bike anyway.

    ARider, sorry I missed you in Dville, I was just there on Friday, and after my ride on Sunday, have an appreciation for how good this bike would ride up there. Was that your bike in the photos floated around after the Classic?

    I'm really digging how controlled the suspension feels. Yet it is still poppy! Note that I do not have the boost valve rear shock, it is the RP2.

    The Lyric Solo Air R is surprisingly good too. Eats the rocks, is controlled, and still have an inch of unused travel after moderate jumps & small drops.

    But again, this is just after one ride.

    So far I'm loving it! When I got my 06 Enduro with DHX air, I had buyers remorse, a coil fixed that With this one, it is very good straight out of the box.

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    I just rode a 2010 Enduro ... it made me feel tired climbing, and I didn't like how far back I was sitting. But coming down it took big hits very well and it actually put power to the ground very well when I got caught in the wrong gear on something steep. I felt like the rake was a little too aggressive and it felt sketchy in sandy stuff with the seat lowered... probably too much weight in back at that point.

    I just wish it climbed better. Felt like I was sitting on the rear wheel and that front wheel wanted to go wherever the hell it wanted to.

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    I had the same feeling about the front wheel.
    Im riding my 09 Enduro comp on this short vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73jKtQqjJXQ and always felt that the front wheel went exactly where I wanted it to go. the 2010 did not have the same precision and "feeling"...



    Quote Originally Posted by donoman
    I just rode a 2010 Enduro ... it made me feel tired climbing, and I didn't like how far back I was sitting. But coming down it took big hits very well and it actually put power to the ground very well when I got caught in the wrong gear on something steep. I felt like the rake was a little too aggressive and it felt sketchy in sandy stuff with the seat lowered... probably too much weight in back at that point.

    I just wish it climbed better. Felt like I was sitting on the rear wheel and that front wheel wanted to go wherever the hell it wanted to.

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    The 2010 Enduro is a slack jawed yokel. Dip the bike into the turn and the front wheel turns the bike. If you steer with the handlebars you will have a hard time in the turns. The new Enduro rewards driving a turn through the feet and going light on the handlebars in a turn.

    http://www.leelikesbikes.com/steep-l...ill-turns.html
    http://www.leelikesbikes.com/weight-...r-turning.html

    This will be year 4 on a 66* head angle for me and it has done XC just fine. I learned into it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Molby
    I had the same feeling about the front wheel.
    Im riding my 09 Enduro comp on this short vid: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=73jKtQqjJXQ and always felt that the front wheel went exactly where I wanted it to go. the 2010 did not have the same precision and "feeling"...

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    My 2010 Enduro Review

    I was able to ride a demo of the 2010 Expert Enduro yesterday.

    First impression when you hop on it. Dang, this is a lot of bike! The slack head angle is obvious in the parking lot. Super slack but VERY manageable. The shock gives a feel of freeride, NOTHING like my 2007 SL.

    Climb:
    My first steep climb I was VERY pleased with the dual ring. Plenty O' Gears for me. The fork stayed down (I left it at 160). Rear tire stuck like glue to the dirt while climbing BUT because I left the shock open without any dampening it did feel like a mushy pedal.

    After a few hills I changed the rebound on the rear and the climbs were as good and seriously, probably BETTER than my 07. Using the travel adjust on the fork made a huge difference also when the climb was rocky an technical. The rocky technical climbs were the only times I felt the bikes stretched out freeride-kinda-feel, a bit sketchy but nothing to get upset about. Also given that I rode it for 2.5 hours... not an ample amount of time to figure out how to handle this beauty.

    Downhill:
    The fork loves the big hits an the little ones too. Super stiff, plush an responsive. I personally like it better than the E150... just my opinion.

    The shock. This was the shocker! Throwing small hucks (im getting old 45... so be kind). MAYBE 3 feet up and 9 feet out. This bike lands an tracks like a gazelle an begs to go airborne more than my ass wants to. I think because of the slack head angle and shock placement getting the front of the bike off the ground was natural. SUPER centered in the air and never twitchy on the landings.

    Faster downhill: The Cadillac stretched out ride let me get back behind the seat and release the brakes completely as the bike seemed to get even smoother over rocky downhills. The front of the bike never wandered and any snake like roots that dragged the tires sideways were quickly bitten back as the bike corrected itself lightning quick.

    Overall, this bike is amazing. I recommend it to anyone in the XC/Leaning towards harder freeride. It rode tight as shiz, all the guts work well together and the bike is whole beneath you, never feeling a separation of any of the parts.


    Now all this being said...

    I got it back to the shop and just for giggles took the 2010 Stump FSR into the parking lot. WTF??? 140mm/nimble/light/looser??? I have to take this out for a test ride!!! I hated my 2004 Stumpy! It also made me realize the 2010 Enduro is too much bike for me. A fantastic bike but its like killing rabbits with a cannon in my case. The changes on the stumpy are astonishing and I am leaning heavily towards it now.

    Sometimes you get to the buffet and load your plate up with way more than you could ever eat. Testing bikes/skis/snowboards has ALWAYS been a better way to buy for me.

    I hope this review helps others with big eyes and small stomaches!

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    ... and if we just ...

    I'm lovin' it.

    Handled the rocks behind it, no problem. Used maybe 60% of travel.










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    loving that red but it's not available in the UK

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    Quote Originally Posted by RustyUK
    loving that red but it's not available in the UK
    Ding! Or the Pro Carbon model

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    Sweet red. I am counting down the days till my S-Works arrives. Should be here first week of December. Spending the time figuring out the upgrades/changes .
    The list so far goes as such:
    Hope Tech M4 brakes
    Mallet pedals
    Hope stem, spacers, rear QR, possibly blue
    Odi Ruffian grips blue rings

    Scratching my head about the wheels and tires tho...
    What do you guys think, keep the Rovals or switch to Hope Pro3 AM4's?
    Tires are a bit easier, probably Highroller 2.3's

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    I saw the new Enduro at a shop this weekend. While the bike may ride sweet, that is one ugly bike

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    As a Specialized employee, I had the good fortune to ride several different iterations of the 2010 Enduro during development, including the final production version. Personally, love the bike. To me, it's light and pedals exceptionally well for such a capable machine.

    As with all full suspension bikes, it's SUPER-IMPORTANT to take the time to dial-in the suspension settings to your personal preferences. Seemingly small changes of 5-10 PSI or just a couple clicks on damping can have a dramatic effect on feel and performance.

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    As RedSweb said, 5 psi up or down makes a huge difference. At the Dealer Event when it was time to set up my ride, I mentioned to the mechanic the rocky terrain I ride and that I like plush. The mechanic suggested I take the bike on two consecutive runs. One set up as FOX said and one with +5psi in the back. The bike performed so much better with the extra pressure. The BB did not dive into the ground when railing corners or mashing up a hill. A little tip that should definitely be heeded. Fox knows their shocks...but Spec know how their bikes ride.

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    I've heard What mountain bike magazine has tested it, has anyone seen the article? It didn't get too good mark - 3/5, so I am very curious what was wrong.

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    Similar marks in the MBUK mag, I think mostly down to the forks. MBUK tested the 2 step air and the What MTB was the S-works or the pro. They're very big publications in the UK though and get a very wide readership.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snakes
    I've heard What mountain bike magazine has tested it, has anyone seen the article? It didn't get too good mark - 3/5, so I am very curious what was wrong.

    This is interesting as they also test the stumpy and gave it almost perfect marks.

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    I wouldn't really trust either of those reviews. Wait till MBR test it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snakes
    I've heard What mountain bike magazine has tested it, has anyone seen the article? It didn't get too good mark - 3/5, so I am very curious what was wrong.
    I've not seen the article (I stopped my subscription because the mag was always too repetitive), but keep an eye on http://www.bikeradar.com/ as most reviews from the mag get posted on that site.

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    you guys should just ride it yourself instead of letting someone else tell you if they think its good or not.

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    I got my comp and was not too happy with the suspension - but after upgrading the rebound damper, adding the motion control compression module and getting the shock pushed - this thing now rides like my demo with it's totem coil - but I can still get up the hills with it.

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    Bikeradar published review of Enduro Expert and they say the fork is crap.
    When I saw specifications for the first time I couldn't believe why they didn't put on Lyrik with proper Mission control damping .

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    Quote Originally Posted by Snakes
    Bikeradar published review of Enduro Expert and they say the fork is crap.
    When I saw specifications for the first time I couldn't believe why they didn't put on Lyrik with proper Mission control damping .
    Curious to know how long they tested the bike for? Not a big RS fan myself, but perhaps the fork just needed to be broken in a bit.

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    Harsh lyrik

    I love my 2010 Expert but gotta admit I'm not thrilled with the feel of the Lyrik IS 2-step. I know I need to be patient and let it break in a little bit. Great bike and pedals amazingly well...better than the 06 FSR XC it replaced. I still can't believe it!

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    It will be interesting now too see how everyone who has ridden expert will start pissing over crapy fork and before no one did . Most of the testers were astonished by the fork plushness.

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    My 2008 Enduro SL cost me £2800, had the sworks e150 fork, carbon fibre frame, and weighed 29lbs. In 2010, £3000 would get me a bike that weighs 3lbs heavier with a rubbish fork. If that is progress for you, I'll stay in the year 2008 thanks!

    At the £3000 price point, I think the Epic, Stumpy and SX Trail appear to be much better value for money than the Enduro SL this year.

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    Hi All, the What MTB Review has just been posted on Bike Radar:

    http://www.bikeradar.com/gear/catego...arbon-10-35532

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.P

    The Lyric Solo Air R is surprisingly good too. Eats the rocks, is controlled, and still have an inch of unused travel after moderate jumps & small drops.
    Mr.P how would you say the Lyrik R compares to your modded 55? Any plans on making some mods to the Lyrik? Just curious. Thanks!

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    *Update*

    The Lyrik 2-step air is breaking in quite nicely and what an improvement from the first few rides. Plush as ever and eats up the big hits too.I must say Spesh speced a well balanced bike!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock Climber
    Mr.P how would you say the Lyrik R compares to your modded 55?
    So far I like the Lyrik better. It feels more consistent through the full stroke, rebound is far superior and more ground hugging (I am able to run a slower rebound without packing up). I was worried about it's ramp up being more linear, but it has not bottomed and feels confidence inspiring on jumps. Feels stiffer as well (1.5 lower steer?)
    Quote Originally Posted by Rock Climber
    Any plans on making some mods to the Lyrik? Just curious. Thanks!
    Mmmwwwhhhaaahahahaha....! yep.
    I still need to crawl into it, but potentially a shim mod or DH damper assembly. Right now it is good enough that I am just enjoying the ride and getting to know the baseline. The R damper is better than I expected and I'm not left wanting right now. I'll save the mod for when UGI hits

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.P
    So far I like the Lyrik better. It feels more consistent through the full stroke, rebound is far superior and more ground hugging (I am able to run a slower rebound without packing up). I was worried about it's ramp up being more linear, but it has not bottomed and feels confidence inspiring on jumps. Feels stiffer as well (1.5 lower steer?)

    Mmmwwwhhhaaahahahaha....! yep.
    I still need to crawl into it, but potentially a shim mod or DH damper assembly. Right now it is good enough that I am just enjoying the ride and getting to know the baseline. The R damper is better than I expected and I'm not left wanting right now. I'll save the mod for when UGI hits

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    Thanks for the comparison! Good stuff as always.

    You've probably already seen this thread, but Nick has some great info on the shim stack mod

    Tune Your Mission Control High Speed Shim Stack: How To Guide: Pics

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    Quote Originally Posted by Rock Climber
    You've probably already seen this thread, but Nick has some great info on the shim stack mod
    Tune Your Mission Control High Speed Shim Stack: How To Guide: Pics
    Yeah, Nick's been posting up some great stuff, it'll be a great resource for tuning. I am curious to see what the "R" damper is. It is certainly more than just a port. Perhaps I'll crawl in over the holidays and take some pics.

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    Has anyone weighted or found what is the weight of aluminum frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by DSG
    My 2008 Enduro SL cost me £2800, had the sworks e150 fork, carbon fibre frame, and weighed 29lbs. In 2010, £3000 would get me a bike that weighs 3lbs heavier with a rubbish fork. If that is progress for you, I'll stay in the year 2008 thanks!

    At the £3000 price point, I think the Epic, Stumpy and SX Trail appear to be much better value for money than the Enduro SL this year.
    3lbs will not really make much difference for such a 6inch travel all mountain bike, if you are a xc rider may be, but then you should really go for a epic or stumpy!!!

    In my opinion, the ride quaility goes first, light weight is just a bonus.

    There is no point to go for the 2010 S-works or the Pro, coz the forks don't actually works properly for everyone. In fact the enduro expert and comp which comes with lyriks works much better than the Pro or S-works forks!!!

    If you just want a long travel bike which ride like a xc bike but capable to take hits then old enduro(07-09) is what you want, but if you want a Enduro that rides like a propper AM/FR bike, go for 2010 one!!!
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    Anyone got any further reviews? As I can't really test ride more than round a car park it's going to be down to the reviews on line to swing it for me.

    Anyone coming off a DW link style bike? Any pros/cons?

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkshadow
    If you just want a long travel bike which ride like a xc bike but capable to take hits then old enduro(07-09) is what you want, but if you want a Enduro that rides like a propper AM/FR bike, go for 2010 one!!!
    I've always thought these comments were interesting.

    The Enduro SL (07-09) has two shock positions. In the Slack setting, its definitely an AM/FR configuration.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bug74
    Anyone got any further reviews? As I can't really test ride more than round a car park it's going to be down to the reviews on line to swing it for me.

    Anyone coming off a DW link style bike? Any pros/cons?
    It's been several years since I rode my DW link bike.

    If you are looking for anti-squat, the 2010 Enduro has plenty of it. Not up to DW-link levels, so the shock has moderate compression, but then the minimal compression tune required on DW-link can mean less control of the stroke (wallow, blow through). I prefer a more controlled/consistent behavior to a "plush" (to me) disconnected feel.

    So it really depend on what you are looking for.

    The Enduro has minimal to no bob with Propedal turned off (hard to tell what is weight shift vs. bob), but it also doesn't wallow, G-out in turns, nor blow through it's travel.

    The key advantage of the Enduro over the current DW link AM bikes is that the stroke ramps up very nicely for big hits/jumps/drops. (I still have yet to get that last quarter inch of shock stroke.) But this is more of a feature of low volume shock and progressive linkage rate through travel. The new Mojo HD *may* have it, and the Turner RFX will probably be there when it is made.

    IMHO, linkage has become less important to the real performance characteristics, progressive/digressive stroke, geometry, anti-squat. Find the characteristics that work best for your riding style/terrain.

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    Cheers

    Thanks MrP.

    Interesting to know your views on the differences. The blow through of the DW style bikes is interesting as a friend on an old 5spot rode a new one and said it was harder to jump... maybe it's due to it wallowing a bit, being less of a platform to push from.

    I'm really liking the sound of the Enduro. If it climbs that well then maybe a re-tune of the rear shock to reduce compression damping might help it on the down side of the hill.

    Interesting.

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