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    2008 Epic Marathon

    If the price difference between the 9m FACT Carbon and the M5 Aluminum Epic Marathon is no problem for you, which would you buy?

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    Have you finally decided to go with the Epic? or your still gathering info? Well we are in the same situation. Can't really decide between the Stumpjumper & the Epic. But to answer your poll I would definitly go with the carbon since its lighter and more forgiving (from what I've heard). Good luck.

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    I ride a carbon road bike but when i just bought my new mtb I went for aluminium. Just feel personally that it makes more sense with the terrain you'll be riding on and the higher chance of crashing. On my second ride, which I was riding hard on, I crashed in a tight fast corner. The bike slid on the path with a rock scraping a 3 inch scratch on the down tube through to the bare metal. I wouldn't of fancied it being a carbon frame, but it depends totally how you feel. For me mtb = metal!

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    Quote Originally Posted by 8seconds
    Have you finally decided to go with the Epic? or your still gathering info? Well we are in the same situation. Can't really decide between the Stumpjumper & the Epic. But to answer your poll I would definitly go with the carbon since its lighter and more forgiving (from what I've heard). Good luck.
    Yeah It's gonna be the Epic I'm going with it's just a decision on frame material now.. I'm going with the Epic because I want to also do quite a bit of onroad riding where the Epic will be a lot more efficient.

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    i vote the aluminium epic marathon, ive tried one out so i know how cool it is, as far as the ride goes i probably wouldnt be able to tell the difference between it and an aluminium version, also the boss of my bike shop ordered an epic marathon aluminium for himself, he said a carbon frame only needs to fall on something sharp or be hit the right way and thats the end of it, im thinking to myself this guy should know hes an ex austrian downhill champion, bike mechanic, and still races and rides on a regular basis, thats good enough for me

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    darkest_fugue, you have a lot of good reasons (I think) about why you don't like carbon, but it still boggles my mind that bike manufactures would choose carbon as the material on their top end bikes if it's so bad.

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    its not bad, im just a clumsy person who wouldnt trust myself with something so expensive, i think carbon frames are for people that have the means that they arent worried about breaking it, they can just shrug their shoulders go oh well, and replace it, which is a great position to be in, lets face it, if your paying 7 grand for an s works stumpjumper you either have the means to maintain the bike, or your living beyond your means, i know a lot of people where i live that buy performance cars and they start complaining about how much the petrol costs are, if you buy a car like that the last thing you should be worried about is putting petrol in it!!!

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    Good point. All I'm really after is buying my dream bike that I won't have to upgrade anything on for a long time, something to satisfy me for years to come. To me carbon seems superior but I don't know enough about mountain biking to know if maybe carbon isn't the right choice, the most expensive bike I've ever owned was more than 6x less than the cost of a mid range Epic.

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    a carbon frame may well never break but i think the people who ride them dont care about this issue, they'll just replace it if it does and not think that much of it, try them and see for yourself, after you try the epic marathon aluminium though i think youll realise its enough bike for anyone

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    M5 Aluminum! Also congrats on your decision. The Epic is a great bike.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Gflash
    M5 Aluminum! Also congrats on your decision. The Epic is a great bike.
    It's gonna be a great choice for me transitioning from hard tail to full suspension while still maintaining what I like the most, speed and climbing power.

    For a couple weeks I thought about going with the new 2008 Trek Remedy 9 with 6.3 inches of travel but I don't think I'd like that.

    What's it mean on the Epic specs, front rotor 160mm and 185mm, do you get a choice?

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    Small and Medium frames get 160
    Large and X Large get 185

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    I can't imagine spending that kind of money on a carbon fiber frame and taking it out on the trail. I used to crash every ride. Now that my skill level has improved it might be every 5th rice and it is usually worse since I take more challenging obstacles then I would have dared to a year ago. So even if I could afford it and I cannot I wouldn't dream of owning one. YMMV. I have an '07 Stumpjumper FSR Pro frame coming in aluminum though. Best of luck whichever you choose.

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    I'm starting to think that carbon is best left for road bikes.

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    Rttr,

    The idea that carbon is less durable and more susceptive to damage after a crash really isn't true. I ride an aluminum frame but if given the opportunity (in other words, if I had the money), I would be on a carbon frame. I began working at a bike shop 2 years ago and the guy who owns the shop has ridden a carbon Scott Scale the entire time I have known him. In fact, of the normal 10 guys I ride with, the store owner has convinced 5 of them to switch from an aluminum frame to a carbon frame and they all say they would never go back. I personally have watched each of them crash pretty hard on their bikes and nothing but a new scratch seems to show. I asked a few weeks ago about how many carbon frames the owner had seen trashed after a spill and he said that in 14 years, he had only seen one. This really surprised me as I had always believed the same as everyone thinks; that carbon is flimsier than aluminum. If you can get the Marathon package on either carbon or aluminum, I would def. choose the carbon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by kersh13
    Rttr,

    The idea that carbon is less durable and more susceptive to damage after a crash really isn't true. I ride an aluminum frame but if given the opportunity (in other words, if I had the money), I would be on a carbon frame. I began working at a bike shop 2 years ago and the guy who owns the shop has ridden a carbon Scott Scale the entire time I have known him. In fact, of the normal 10 guys I ride with, the store owner has convinced 5 of them to switch from an aluminum frame to a carbon frame and they all say they would never go back. I personally have watched each of them crash pretty hard on their bikes and nothing but a new scratch seems to show. I asked a few weeks ago about how many carbon frames the owner had seen trashed after a spill and he said that in 14 years, he had only seen one. This really surprised me as I had always believed the same as everyone thinks; that carbon is flimsier than aluminum. If you can get the Marathon package on either carbon or aluminum, I would def. choose the carbon.
    Carbon Epic is back in the running! This is actually exactly what I finally wanted to hear about carbon frames, I was going to contact my LBS about what you just wrote. But now I probably am not going to bother.

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    i can almost feel how much you want the carbon framed model from here lol, just go get it man!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkest_fugue
    i can almost feel how much you want the carbon framed model from here lol, just go get it man!!!!
    I do I do! Please mommy!

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    Ok, not to be completely shallow, but come on, carbon looks SOOOO SEXY...see photo

    But on more technical notes, I've tried both the CF and the Al epics and the CF has a bit better ride quality in that I had less hand fatigue (noticeably less vibration), although you can get that from CF handlebars too. I also took a couple bad falls on my CF epic, but it looks no worse for wear...I ended up more injured than it did. Now, if you plan on riding in rock gardens for most of your rides, Al is probably a better idea because either material will end up breaking if you do something stupid and the Al is much cheaper to replace...


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    I'm actually shocked at how close that poll truly is. I expected a landslide with carbon because it's SUPPOSE to be lighter, stiffer, etc.

    I have a full carbon Scott Scale from 2005 that is literally a pain in the ass to ride. I've been looking into specialized for some time and was certainly thinking of the Epic. Carbon vs. Aluminum is still a big debate to me as well, and being that I do work in a shop that carries Specialized, there is still a massive price gap between Aluminum and Carbon at a cost level.

    I'll be checkin' back for more informing posts

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    Quote Originally Posted by Purple Liquid
    I'm actually shocked at how close that poll truly is. I expected a landslide with carbon because it's SUPPOSE to be lighter, stiffer, etc.

    I have a full carbon Scott Scale from 2005 that is literally a pain in the ass to ride. I've been looking into specialized for some time and was certainly thinking of the Epic. Carbon vs. Aluminum is still a big debate to me as well, and being that I do work in a shop that carries Specialized, there is still a massive price gap between Aluminum and Carbon at a cost level.

    I'll be checkin' back for more informing posts
    You can have this thread, I decided once and for all to buy the 2008 Trek Remedy 9, a completely different bike than the Epic but more suited for me.

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    well that was a turn around that i wasnt expecting to see lol

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    Crap, those aren't exactly cheap, or even the same kind of bike. You coulda gotten an Epic Marathon M5 + a lower end Stumpy or Enduro.
    Oh well enjoy anyway.

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    Quote Originally Posted by darkest_fugue
    well that was a turn around that i wasnt expecting to see lol
    And no deciding between alu and carbon.. Btw I don't have it yet it doesn't come out for another 3-4 months. I'm gonna put one on order at my dealer in the next month or two.

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    lol i think trying to make a decision between aluminium and carbon was melting the poor fellows brain, its like a guy trying to choose between a ferrari and a lambo, then he suddenly says, ahh screw this im buying a hummer!!!!!!!

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    oh nooooo

    RTTR, I wa watching this carbonium versu aluminium thread ( plesae read with a btir accent- not sure how that would be in rhyming slang) and now it sees that you threw the Trekkonium into the mix? Is this Trekkonium an M2 alloy, M3 alloy, M4 alloy, M5 alloy, 6061, 7005, 7075, or some other vaporware Wisconsonium aluminum?

    I for one would vote aluminum over carbon. Nothing wrong with aluminum, and I don't see the point in carbon. I had the chance to bounce all over the Scott reps carbon bikes and the squeakes in the parking lot were enough to drive one to insanity, even if it was not paid in full by moi.

    Enjoy and post up some pics of the Raleigh you end up buying, or the Trek, or KONA!!!

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    Whats up brother! I bought a 07 carbon marathon last year and absolutely LOVE it! The bike handles so nice you don't have to worry about crashing. So, get what you want other wise you will always regret it. Later

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    I got the same doubt RTTR had but I'm shure I'll stay with the Epic. One thing I still don't know is the weight diference between the CF and Al. The components are the same in the 2008 marathon, so what difference do I get for $ 700?

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    the weight difference is less than half a pound, you get a frame that looks cool and clean with no visible welds, if thats worth 700 extra, go for it

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    No way! I'd rather loose some weight myself.

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    the epic marathon is as light as a feather anyway, youll see for yourself when you check it out

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    I have a 2006 Epic rim, now with XTR disc brakes, Race Face handlebar, Thomson seatpost and stem and Sram X0. Nice ride. Now I'll get a bit more on the components with the Marathon.

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    youd be better off sticking with the epic youve got and upgrading it more, change out your hubs, get xo shifters,stick an xt cassette, crank, and front derailer on it and you basically have an epic marathon

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    Maybe. By now I'm very on the mood for a new bike, even if it won't be a new ride...

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    well i tried a marathon aluminium, theyre very cool

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    Ok, thanks.

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    I would definitely go for the carbon marathon.There is almost no difference between a M5 marathon and the bottom of the range epic frame.(same frame and rear shock,only marathon has carbon linkage).

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    My chain skipped off the front chain ring today on my roadie (first time its done it, FR has now been adjusted) Trouble is I now have carbon splinters on the chain stay. I'd much rather have bare ally and a bit of paint missing.

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    Good job! The Answer You Want!

    Quote Originally Posted by RTTR
    And no deciding between alu and carbon.. Btw I don't have it yet it doesn't come out for another 3-4 months. I'm gonna put one on order at my dealer in the next month or two.
    My Friend,

    I'm gonna let you in on a secret...Unless if you're going PRO, you shoulnt buy a Carbon Epic. and if you're buying the M5 Epic i suggest you purchase the Entry level and deck it out yourself (The frame is what you want). I have the means to buy any bike i want but i dont want to poser around on a bike i'll never get to use like it should be used. Also, if i was to wreck it i'd be extra pissed off, Sh*t i get pissed when i scratch up my M5... I took the money i would of spend on a carbon Epic and bought two M5 Epics and customised them for my wife and I and still had money left over to buy us each an extra set of wheels/tires/cassettes for road riding... Good Luck With Your Choice!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by head4hills
    My chain skipped off the front chain ring today on my roadie (first time its done it, FR has now been adjusted) Trouble is I now have carbon splinters on the chain stay. I'd much rather have bare ally and a bit of paint missing.
    Check with the dealer, but I've read you can make it 'pretty' again by trimming the loose fibers then 'painting' the exposed CF with clear nail polish. You do carry clear nail polish in your seat bag, right?
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    LOL, i think the dude tat started this thread is gone...

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    Carbon vs Alu

    I just bought the new 2008 Stumpy FSR pro carbon (which I love and is the best bike in the World) and now my riding buddy is so jealous he's gonna get an Epic carbon. Two points to remember, one very important and the other not:

    1. The carbon frame is slightly stiffer according to the guy at the bike shop (don't know about this myself but that's what he told my mate).

    2. V.IMPT. My stumpy carbon frame has a limited lifetime warranty. I would assume the same is true for the Epic. Under normal usage (i.e not running off the side of the Matterhorn) if the frame breaks or gets broken, Spesh will replace it.

    Something else - just to be doubly sure (I saved long and hard for my carbon frame and cannot afford another one) my bike is insured with my household contents, which includes accidental damage, for an extra £4 per month. I checked and double-checked, and the insurer assures me that any damage (even outside normal use) is covered by the policy - I would just pay a £50 excess. This includes any frame damage / destruction.

    So, I hope I have this completely covered. As for performance, carbon wins hands down any day of the week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spencerfrater1
    I just bought the new 2008 Stumpy FSR pro carbon (which I love and is the best bike in the World) and now my riding buddy is so jealous he's gonna get an Epic carbon. Two points to remember, one very important and the other not:

    1. The carbon frame is slightly stiffer according to the guy at the bike shop (don't know about this myself but that's what he told my mate).

    2. V.IMPT. My stumpy carbon frame has a limited lifetime warranty. I would assume the same is true for the Epic. Under normal usage (i.e not running off the side of the Matterhorn) if the frame breaks or gets broken, Spesh will replace it.

    Something else - just to be doubly sure (I saved long and hard for my carbon frame and cannot afford another one) my bike is insured with my household contents, which includes accidental damage, for an extra £4 per month. I checked and double-checked, and the insurer assures me that any damage (even outside normal use) is covered by the policy - I would just pay a £50 excess. This includes any frame damage / destruction.

    So, I hope I have this completely covered. As for performance, carbon wins hands down any day of the week.
    What the guy at the Bike Shop forgot to tell you is that he made a $250 comission on selling you that bike compared to the $25-$75 they make on alum epic/stumpys.

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    I managed to get a very good deal from my LBS - I negotiated a substantial discount and so I'm not complaining.

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    Quote Originally Posted by spencerfrater1

    2. V.IMPT. My stumpy carbon frame has a limited lifetime warranty. I would assume the same is true for the Epic. Under normal usage (i.e not running off the side of the Matterhorn) if the frame breaks or gets broken, Spesh will replace it.
    Specialized has great warranty service, but their warranty covers defects in material and workmanship- it doesn't cover things like bashing it against a rock face, which would be an accident or abuse. That said, a dealer told me Specialized is great to work with for warranty stuff, that if there's even a possibility of defect they'll replace something, and he's seen them replace things that were clearly user error. He sells a couple of other brands and said sometimes they're pretty picky about what they replace.

    Quote Originally Posted by spencerfrater1
    Something else - just to be doubly sure (I saved long and hard for my carbon frame and cannot afford another one) my bike is insured with my household contents, which includes accidental damage, for an extra £4 per month. I checked and double-checked, and the insurer assures me that any damage (even outside normal use) is covered by the policy - I would just pay a £50 excess. This includes any frame damage / destruction.
    Sounds great. I didn't know you could insure a bike for damage. One thing I'd do is ask my insurer to point to the written policy clause so you can read it yourself. Insurance agents (in the U.S. anyway) have a nasty habit of exaggerating coverage, and as they say, a verbal contract isn't worth the paper it's printed on
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    Good point - yes I did check the black and white - it's an extension of the accidental damage clause for household goods (for which I'm paying an extra premium in the policy anyway).

    But to the previous point, surely if a carbon frame does break under normal useage it must, by definition be because of a defect?

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    Quote Originally Posted by spencerfrater1

    But to the previous point, surely if a carbon frame does break under normal useage it must, by definition be because of a defect?
    The dealer who told me how he liked working with Specialized gave me an example. His wrench bought a bike through the shop. He came in after a weekend out with the rear triangle bent to the side. The wrench admitted missing a jump- coming down nearly sideways. He said he was certain Specialized would call him when he put in for a warranty replacement because it was obvious abuse- coming down sideways isn't normal usage. They can't design a frame to resist every possible force a rider could put on it without it weighing 200 lbs. He didn't tell the Spec. rep. anything special- no favors asked, he just said he had a bent frame with a customer making a warranty claim. The rep. asked him to send in the whole frame. Three days later, without a question, a replacement frame arrived.

    Another example, and I think I've seen it posted here, is the guy with the carbon frame who lays it over on a projecting rock- pokes a hole right through one of the tubes- total loss, and not covered by warranty because the frame isn't designed to be bashed against sharp objects- and again, there's just no way you can design CF to resist that kind of intrusion without making it solid. That's an accident, not a design or workmanship flaw.

    But man, it sounds like you've got a good insurance policy. I'll have to see if I can get something like that. Maybe I'll get a more expensive bike. (It's not like I abuse bikes [quite the contrary] but one of the things I always think about when shopping is- do I have enough money to replace this if I wrack it up in the first two weeks? I actually laid my road bike down at speed on the third ride Luckily, other than a scratched dérailleur, some torn clothes, and a bunch of bruises, we were fine.)
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    Quote Originally Posted by California L33
    Check with the dealer, but I've read you can make it 'pretty' again by trimming the loose fibers then 'painting' the exposed CF with clear nail polish. You do carry clear nail polish in your seat bag, right?
    No I leave it at home in my man bag
    Its hidden behind the chain ring so I just taped them down with electrical tape, not ideal but you can't see it!

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