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    Santos Friday Oct 15

    I'm looking to take my first trip to Santos and am wondering if anyone wants to meet up for an morning ride to show me around? No class on that day so I'm thinking of getting down there at 8:30 and go for a nice, long ride. I'd like to hear what all the hub-bub is about down there
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    Good luck! That's the Homecoming weekend at UF.

    I would go to Santos with you, but I am going to the Gator Gallop and the Parade that day...

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    I'd go but I won't be in Florida for a couple of months. Santos is pretty awesome.
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    Yup, I'm getting the heck outta dodge on homecoming day. Anyone know what the "qualifier" obstacle consists of at Santos? Feel free to PM me if you don't want it aired out on the interwebs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by orion_134
    Yup, I'm getting the heck outta dodge on homecoming day. Anyone know what the "qualifier" obstacle consists of at Santos? Feel free to PM me if you don't want it aired out on the interwebs.
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    The "qualifiers" at Santos are 24" or maybe 30" wide ladder bridges that are a max of 3' off the ground... There's one at the entrance to the main part of the Vortex and another at the entrance to the Vortex loop trail. Just about anyone could easily ride over without any difficulty. Sadly, you can go right around them too. They really aren't a good indicator of the tech nature of the red trails there... but having said that, If you come to one of them and it seems scary to you, you have no business at all riding the red trails. (not that it stops anyone) So I guess in that sense they serve a purpose but few people actually pay attention to them.
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    Sounds like fun, and easy, can't wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by orion_134
    Sounds like fun, and easy, can't wait.

    Enjoy. If you can make it up during a weekend you'd probably have better luck finiding someone to show you around...
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    Quote Originally Posted by jayjudy13
    The "qualifiers" at Santos are 24" or maybe 30" wide ladder bridges that are a max of 3' off the ground... There's one at the entrance to the main part of the Vortex and another at the entrance to the Vortex loop trail. Just about anyone could easily ride over without any difficulty. Sadly, you can go right around them too. They really aren't a good indicator of the tech nature of the red trails there... but having said that, If you come to one of them and it seems scary to you, you have no business at all riding the red trails. (not that it stops anyone) So I guess in that sense they serve a purpose but few people actually pay attention to them.
    haha, I didn't know that was the purpose of those ladders. Yeah, not at all what I would consider "qualification" for riding Vortex.
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    We affectionately call the first 'qualifier' coming out of the Vortex trailhead as the handicap ramp...and sadly, I've observed more than one person crash off of it.

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    Yeah, I've seen a few crashes there too. I've also seen parents tell their little kids to get off and walk their bikes over the bridge. There should be a big sign that says "if you are not capable of RIDING over this, you have no business riding here at all" but I guess no one though of that. Since I was there when both were built, maybe its my fault. Naaa, sometimes a little common sense screws things up
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    Worst wreck Ive ever seen live was at the parking area ramp. A girl on a really nice Gary Fisher coming out of the vortex road her front wheel off the ramp at the very top and went face first into the fence.

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    I agree on the sign, Jay. Too many people out there that have no idea what they're doing. Oh well, their skin, not mine.
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    Semper Fi back. I'm actually going to take a little trip down there on Sunday to get a taste for the intermediate trails. Can't wait.
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    I took a new rider to Santos today for his first 'real' off-road experience.

    The weather and trails are nearly perfect this weekend.

    Re: The 'qualifier.' I love the big rocks at the Backdoor entrance along with the friendliest

    'Hi, This trail might be harder than you can handle. We suggest a full-face helmet. A bit of body armor wouldn't hurt. Either way, we're not kidding. Have fun. Please don't die. Thanks.'

    entrance sign I've ever seen.

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    EDIT: The quote above is a very rough paraphrase.
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    Having never been there, I can't tell if that sign is sarcasm or for real. Is there some serious DH at Santos?
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    Quote Originally Posted by orion_134
    Having never been there, I can't tell if that sign is sarcasm or for real. Is there some serious DH at Santos?
    Semper Fi bro!

    As per DH, nah bro, just some real short roll downs. There is a lot to get hurt on or off of out there in the Vortex and most red trails. There is 10 ledge drops, one being closed off though, and few wood bridges, lots of boulders to navigate over and around on the red trails. A sweet DJ line as well to throw into the mix. I would have to agree with the friendly welcome sign, but all depending on the riding discipline you plan on doing. Knee/shin armour is always a good thing out there if riding the red trails, but the reat of the trails are just to simple and easy for all that junk. FF is great if you do not want your face or melon all banged up or you are planning on hucking off the ledge drops or maybe even the DJ line. All in all, all that armour is a rider preference thing. Anyways, good luck and have fun bro! Santos is an awesome place to ride!

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    I'm not interested in riding in the vortex, just on the single track...not with this bike.
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    I rode Santos last May and there's PLENTY of singletrack. You don't have to worry about any big drops if that's not your bag.
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    Quote Originally Posted by orion_134
    I'm not interested in riding in the vortex, just on the single track...not with this bike.
    I was just referring to the sign outside the Vortex. LOL!

    Yeah, there is soooo much easy to moderate singletrack that you could ride all day and more. Ride from the Santos TH all the way to Nahls on the other side of I-75 Landbridge. well over 50 miles of trail to ride with out all the more technical terrain as the red trails or jump bowel. Here is a link to OMBA maps of Santos all the way to Nahls.....

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    Jesse- you'll be fine. After seeing you ride a little at Felasco, there is not much at Santos (except the big cliff drops) that you couldn't probably do.

    Vortex is more legs than tech in my opinion. I have ridden it on my hardtail several times, and next time I am going to ride it on my rigid single speed.

    The trail I have the most difficulty with there is the red one called John Brown? I think that's what it's called. And I never got the stones to do Ant Farm due to the crazy drop in.

    My favorite trail out there is still Twister though. So fast and flowy....

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    Quote Originally Posted by pointerDixie214
    Jesse- you'll be fine. After seeing you ride a little at Felasco, there is not much at Santos (except the big cliff drops) that you couldn't probably do.

    Vortex is more legs than tech in my opinion. I have ridden it on my hardtail several times, and next time I am going to ride it on my rigid single speed.

    The trail I have the most difficulty with there is the red one called John Brown? I think that's what it's called. And I never got the stones to do Ant Farm due to the crazy drop in.

    My favorite trail out there is still Twister though. So fast and flowy....

    Have fun!
    LOL.....

    Yeah man, it is called John Brown, and yes, that is an awesome trail and can be difficult for most. The other one is Ant Hill, and it is not as technical as John Brown, but can be challenging as well. I would have to say that John Brown is the most difficult red trail out there, but the red trail around the Vortex is awesome and a good work out as you mentioned (more legs than tech). The only real tech is the boulders, wood bridges, & drop downs.

    To the OP.....

    As pointer mentioned, you'll do just fine. Ride on, have fun, and On-On!

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    What time are you going Orion...If my wife has no plans I may take her car drive over.
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    I'm somewhat flexible if other people are coming. So far it's just me, and if it were up to me, I like to get going early and be done early so I still have the rest of the day. However, I'm looking at getting there around 8-9 and riding til lunch.
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    Cool thats usually when I ride anyhow. Wife says I can use her car so I will be there around 8:30. Want to meet at the main trail head.
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    So, 8:30 it is.
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    Did you go, You never replied to the post and I did not know If something came up or what. Its a 2 hour drive for me, 4 hours round trip and I did not whant to waste the day if you did not show up. Sorry anyhow, did you ride at all?
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    Oh, I thought you were responding for th 15th, my bad. I was planning for an afternoon trip today but didn't get back from out of town in time. Sorry for the confusion. I'm definitely glad you didn't go out there today, although I'm sure you would've had a great ride.
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    I sure don't understand all that qualifier stuff. I've been riding Santos since way before qualifiers and all that. We had so much fun. If you can't make something you just get off and walk including the"qualifier." How are you ever going to learn the red trails if you don't try. Were you guys just born knowing how to ride that stuff or did you practice?

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    I have to double check my work schedule but I may be able to ride that day as well. I have been to Santos a couple of times but I don't know the trails and would be down for some exploration.

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    Yup, I don't know them either, but I'll have a map and a GPS.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lmh
    I sure don't understand all that qualifier stuff. I've been riding Santos since way before qualifiers and all that. We had so much fun. If you can't make something you just get off and walk including the"qualifier." How are you ever going to learn the red trails if you don't try. Were you guys just born knowing how to ride that stuff or did you practice?

    Before the bike park, the stunts and features in the vortex were not sanctioned... People getting hurt has almost shut Santos down already. The qualifiers are there to let people know that the terrain may be "over their head". More than one person has broken their neck riding at Santos. Its not that some of us were "born" knowing how to ride. Its the fact that we are lucky to have Santos, where else can you go in Florida and ride on state owned land with the type of features we have? No where! ...so the state/OGT wants a few qualifiers here and there? Small price to pay for a bike park of Santos' quality. Like I said before, people go around them all the time anyway.
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    Quote Originally Posted by lmh
    I sure don't understand all that qualifier stuff. I've been riding Santos since way before qualifiers and all that. We had so much fun. If you can't make something you just get off and walk including the"qualifier." How are you ever going to learn the red trails if you don't try. Were you guys just born knowing how to ride that stuff or did you practice?
    If you have to get off and walk the qualifier then you probably have no business riding the red trails there in the first place. We were not born with the innate skills to ride, but we stuck to the easier trails until our skill levels had progressed enough to attempt the more difficult (and dangerous) trails. That's the point of the trail rating system, and it helps protect the state from frivolous lawsuits. People will claim they had no idea they were on a difficult trail, but it's hard to make that claim now with the trail ratings, qualifiers, and signs notifying people. It is in every riders best interest to cooperate with the state to reduce lawsuits and injuries.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jim311
    If you have to get off and walk the qualifier then you probably have no business riding the red trails there in the first place. We were not born with the innate skills to ride, but we stuck to the easier trails until our skill levels had progressed enough to attempt the more difficult (and dangerous) trails. That's the point of the trail rating system, and it helps protect the state from frivolous lawsuits. People will claim they had no idea they were on a difficult trail, but it's hard to make that claim now with the trail ratings, qualifiers, and signs notifying people. It is in every riders best interest to cooperate with the state to reduce lawsuits and injuries.
    +1 for both jayjudy13 and Jim311.

    This is especially true to parents bringing their younger children back there to ride in the Vortex bowel. That is no place for younger children that are unskilled riders and is well noted on the entrance signs. In cases like with my son (just turned 12), which is a ripping little grom, then that's fine. He hammers those qualifiers like a skilled rider, rides the reds, and runs the DJ's and most of the ledge drops in the jump bowel. People just need to be more accountable for there actions and respect the rules of the trail. I do see a lot of people going around the qualifiers, so how are they going to learn if they do not try? I mean come on! What happens when they get to it on a harder trail? Seen a lot of people get hurt back there that did not have the skill or techniques to be back there. Just saying!

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    Wow, this thread was really derailed. Back to the original topic, who's down for a ride?
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