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    Mount Dora Trail official thread.

    We are close to getting this trail officially legalized so thought I'd start it's own thread. We have started construction on it and are just waiting on the attorneys to come to an agreement before we have an official work day to really get it completed. It shouldn't be long from now though.

    Here's a quick sample of the trail done with a crappy digital camera. Hit a huge spider web where I stopped. <object width="480" height="385"><param name="movie" value="http://www.youtube.com/v/NdN-kgZgHxw&hl=en_US&fs=1&"></param><param name="allowFullScreen" value="true"></param><param name="allowscriptaccess" value="always"></param><embed src="http://www.youtube.com/v/NdN-kgZgHxw&hl=en_US&fs=1&" type="application/x-shockwave-flash" allowscriptaccess="always" allowfullscreen="true" width="480" height="385"></embed></object>
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    Cool video, but my head is still bobbing after watching the video.....LOL! Looks like its going to be a real sweet trail once groomed. Whats the word on any real technical challenge? You know, like jumps, drops to huck, skinnies, rollers, or even rock gardens...etc.?

    Would be nice to have this trail, though it could never replace Santos, Alafia, nor Carter, but a heck of a lot closer. Great job guys and gals getting this trail pushed through. Seriously!

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    Wow, things have come a long way in the past month or so. Between getting my bike stolen and traveling back and forth to S.FL for family business I haven't had much time to check up on things. My birthday is on Sunday and I'm thinking about getting myself a new bike. I'm thinking a Jamis Komodo won't be too plush for FL riding, but have some meat on it's bones to soak up some drops. Or do you guys think that a Jamis Dakar XC would have enough of a backbone for some hard riding? I'd love to get a FS bike but they're much more expensive than a hardtail so I don't want to spend more money on a bike that I don't need...

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    I drove over the the Icehouse Theatre the other day and I couldn't see where the trailhead would be. I drove over to the dog park area too and saw what looked to be an entrance to a trail. Can anyone explain where the trailhead will be?

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    *double-post*

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    Anyone out there?

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    Congrats man. Wish things went as smoothly here where I am. The political bs down here in South Florida is not so simple. There are some trails that have been approved already and little legal shits still holding it from being built.
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    Mt Dora = the Mt Dora near Eustis / Tavares?
    Nothing to see here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSINGA
    Mt Dora = the Mt Dora near Eustis / Tavares?

    The one and only! I really wish Mt. Dora Cycles would reply to this thread. I was looking for the trailhead the other day and I can't seem to find it. My new bike comes in on Saturday and I'm itching to get back in the saddle...

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    Trail not yet open!!!

    Please, this trail is not yet "legal", nor is construction complete.
    Again, the trail is not open!
    The Ocala Mountain Bike Association is close to finalizing the legal agreement with the City of Mount Dora on this new trail. Until that has happened and we have official work days for construction, please do not ride this trail. Do not screw it up before we get it off the ground!

    Keep your eyes on the forum and homepage of www.omba.org for more information on this trail.

    The entrance will temporarily be near the dog park until construction of the new park and parking lot w/facilities is complete on 9th Avenue. Following park construction, the trails will be accessed from this location.

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    Hey Rob, sorry if that came out a little off. I wasn't looking to ride the trail, nor will I be when my bike arrives. I was just in the neighborhood and was trying to find where the trailhead would be. I'm itching to get out there and start cutting though! Thanks for the reply.

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    Like Rob said, please don't go out there riding it yet. The video was just a preview to show what to expect. It isn't completed yet anyways so you won't enjoy it. Please have some patience, nobody expected Mount Dora's attorneys to be this difficult to deal with. Let me tell you though, it will be worth the wait. It's turning out to be a short loop, but very difficult endurance wise. I can't wait till it's open.
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    Aww... endurance? Will there be room to expand? Don't worry, I won't be riding out there until it's open.

    oh, where did you move your shop to? My new bike just came in and I need some stuff.

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    City Council Meeting, Tuesday night

    The Mount Dora City Council will be meeting this tuesday night at 7 pm to consider the agreement between the City and OMBA allowing us to construct and maintain these new trails. Show up if you are able, or email the council members with your words of support. Keep is short and respectful.

    We're very close!!
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    Awesome, I'll try my best to make it out to the meeting.

    Nobody knows where Mount Dora Cycles moved the shop? I guess I'll be taking my business elsewhere

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    Quote Originally Posted by [dB]Will
    Awesome, I'll try my best to make it out to the meeting.

    Nobody knows where Mount Dora Cycles moved the shop? I guess I'll be taking my business elsewhere
    Contact Rich (Mt Dora Cycles). He has not reopened his shop yet. He's working on getting it. He's a great mechanic and can still order parts/items you need. I'm sure he will get on here and respond. Give him time.

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    Sorry I couldn't make it out Tuesday. Prior plans along with the Hell that was this past week prevented me from attending. Any good news? Any update on when we can start cutting/riding?

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    What's the elevation out there? is there another FL Trail you could compare it to?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ProEdgeBiker
    What's the elevation out there? is there another FL Trail you could compare it to?
    Not quite sure what the elevation is exactly. I know that the trail is roughly a mile long and has around 200ft of elevation change. I cannot think of any of the trails around Central FL that are similar. It's in a hole and is HOT and HUMID!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ASpot13
    Not quite sure what the elevation is exactly. I know that the trail is roughly a mile long and has around 200ft of elevation change. I cannot think of any of the trails around Central FL that are similar. It's in a hole and is HOT and HUMID!!!!

    wait, so it is hot and humid and there are no other trails in central florida that are similar?
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    Quote Originally Posted by mattbatson
    wait, so it is hot and humid and there are no other trails in central florida that are similar?
    It's worse than any other trail I've ridden in central florida. Santos/Carter/Reddick/etc...don't compare. It's incredibly thick vegetation in a pit. The heat and humidity just sit and there is no breeze. However, it's a great workout and excellent training loop with the amount of elevation. BTW, conditions are a little dusty back there right now, it could use a good rain.

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    Id say Soldiers Creek is in a whole with thick vegetation.

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    Sorry I haven't checked this lately. The agreement was accepted and the trail is official now. We are working on setting up a group work day to clean whats been cut so far and look into new section to blaze. As posted, it does have a lot of elevation change, it is short for right now, and it does get hot and humid back there. Think rain forest here. The misquotes are so big they can knock the wind out of you on downhill sections. I swear one smiled at me before taking half my blood while doing work back there.

    As far as my shop, I still haven't re-opened. Wished I could but the economy sucks and most locals in this area are hurting pretty bad. Not to mention the landlords of Mt Dora have the city by the balls and can charge crazy amounts for old run down buildings. I do love this city though. I'll be back open soon.
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    Glad to hear you'll be back at some point! I have Friday off and can help out but I'll be out of town the rest of the weekend. I have a lot of free time on my hands usually so I'm willing to go out there and work by my lonesome during the week as well. I'm just itching to ride!

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    Quote Originally Posted by schmitty8225
    Id say Soldiers Creek is in a whole with thick vegetation.
    Where do you get that from, Soldiers Creek is not even in a whole (what you said and whatever that means) nor a hole. Not sure what you mean by thick with vegetation either???? It is a typical FL trail as most trails in the SE are!

    Maybe you are smoking some vegetation, hey?

    Soldiers Creek is not long, but it has always been fun for such a short trail.

    Anyways, getting over vegetation head above. Great to hear that the trail is official now. That makes the first one, now they need to officially get the Orlando MTB trail on the books as well. Now, any one that does not like vegetation, go west! WAY WEST!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChiliPepper1
    Where do you get that from, Soldiers Creek is not even in a whole (what you said and whatever that means) nor a hole. Not sure what you mean by thick with vegetation either???? It is a typical FL trail as most trails in the SE are!

    Maybe you are smoking some vegetation, hey?

    Soldiers Creek is not long, but it has always been fun for such a short trail.

    Anyways, getting over vegetation head above. Great to hear that the trail is official now. That makes the first one, now they need to officially get the Orlando MTB trail on the books as well. Now, any one that does not like vegetation, go west! WAY WEST!!
    Nah, I wouldn't say Soliders Creek is like anything else. Santos, Balm, Snowhill, Markham, Oleta, or Amelia are not like Soldiers Creek. Soldiers Creek has water running through it and during the heat of the day the trees that form a canopy over the entire trail keep the moisture in and if you do the newish section that is about a quarter mile long its just muggy as **** in there. The only place that Ive ridden that may be similar at points in Alafia and that is only in parts with water next to it and trees preventing the water from escaping.
    The Orlando park has a meeting next Tuesday because one neighbor doesnt like the idea of it but aside from that, it has been pretty smooth sailing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by schmitty8225
    Nah, I wouldn't say Soliders Creek is like anything else. Santos, Balm, Snowhill, Markham, Oleta, or Amelia are not like Soldiers Creek. Soldiers Creek has water running through it and during the heat of the day the trees that form a canopy over the entire trail keep the moisture in and if you do the newish section that is about a quarter mile long its just muggy as **** in there. The only place that Ive ridden that may be similar at points in Alafia and that is only in parts with water next to it and trees preventing the water from escaping.
    The Orlando park has a meeting next Tuesday because one neighbor doesnt like the idea of it but aside from that, it has been pretty smooth sailing.
    OK! Still like any other trail here in central/south FL during our summer months....."tropical jungle, sweltering heat, and usually always water or wet"..

    Anyways, back to the threads topic......

    SAD, there is always a sour or rotten apple in the bunch. Well, if they don't like it, then they can move! Most likely a transplant from up north anyways.....

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    I've got two chainsaws, weedeater, hedge trimmer, rakes, loppers and an empty Saturday next week. Im down for a work day.

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    Here's an overhead of the trail tracked from my phone. You can see there is still some unused land to develop into more difficult sections in the future. We basically have a perimeter cut out right now.
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    maybe something like this?
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    Hey Richard, That looks awesome! Are we going to build any type of bridge(s) over the creek? If so let me know and I will keep my eye out for material. -BobG

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    Yes, we will be building a bridge over the little ravine that we ride through now. Concrete and pressure treated wood will be nice. I was hoping to have a work day out there soon to take care of it but things have been going slow with the Orlando trail going on at the same time. Big cities take presidence(sp) I guess? We also need signage installed before it can be opened up officially.
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    Well, I don't really plan on going to the Orlando trail to work but am always free to do some work around here. It's so close, I'd love to help get it ready to ride.

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    Im sure if you had the work days for this trail on different days than the OMBP you'd get a good sized crowd. You can also goto the OMBP work days and talk about the trails at Mt Dora because Im sure a good amount of people don't even know about it.

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    So... what's up? I have the rest of today and tomorrow off. I can go clear some crap if you'd like. Also off all weekend if you want to setup a work day on Sunday or something...

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    Any news on what's up with this? I'm about to just take it upon myself to get out there to work and ride. There is obviously a bunch of volunteers for work but nothing is getting done. I'm sure this is why the city signed off on this...

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    Getting together with OMBA tomorrow to walk the trail and see what else is needed before we schedule a work day. It is looking to be around September 25th. We need signage installed and a bridge built for sure, but as far as the rest of the trail, it looks pretty nice right now. It seems to be holding up well, even with all this rain we have been having.
    Will, you just need some patience. It takes time and we want it to last. Build it right the first time and maintenance will be less in the future.
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    Patience has gotten me f*ck all. If you can get a little done before a full day, why not? Clear out a couple branches, run the grass down a little bit, whatever. I don't have the time to drive to Santos or any other trail system around central FL so I'm a bit anxious to finally have a trail and something to do in this hell-hole. But that's cool, I'll just let you guys do your thing and I'll just ride.

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    We are trying to schedule a work day for Sept. 25th. The trail walk went well with and it looks good. Some modifications needed for a sustainable trail and also make it more enjoyable. Signage shouldn't be a problem as Mt Dora has graciously decided to pay for them. Just need to get them made in time for the work day.

    Thanks everyone!
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    Agreement is signed. Trail is official.
    Inaugural work day is scheduled for Sept 25th at 8am
    Tell your friends, please come.
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    Bump?

    Work day next week.

    I can hardly contain myself.

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    Just updating this. Workday is still on Saturday the 25th, meeting at 8:30am. OMBA is providing food and drinks. OMBA's newsletter says meet at the end of 9th ave. I've been telling people to meet at the dog park at the end of 11th Ave. Check both if you don't see people at either one side or the other.

    I unfortunately won't be there. I didn't realize 6 Gap is the same weekend so I'll be in North Georgia killing myself while you guys are having fun. I wished I could be there though.
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    New trail layout.
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    Note, workday tomorrow is rain or shine....unless it's lightning, then we drink beer and eat pizza!

    Also, workday starts at 8 am, not 8:30 am.
    Hope to see lots of folks there!
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    Quote Originally Posted by robe2
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    Also, workday starts at 8 am, not 8:30 am.!

    So you're saying that if I show up at 9 or 10am I won't be welcome? It's Saturday, I'm not getting paid and I'm volunteering work. I think it'll be alright if I'm a bit late to the "party"

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    We're all volunteers, Will. You're right, it's Saturday, and I'd rather be in bed with my wife, waking up to my kids and having fun, but I'm giving up yet another Saturday to help build trail...do whatever you want.
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    Had a great turnout today for our first Mount Dora workday. We had about 30 volunteers come out and work in the sauna today. We got a great bridge built, installed carsonite trail markers along the entire trail, bench cut a couple of hundred feet of trail, installed two benches and did lots of general trimming and lopping. Great day! Come ride the new trail, it's fun! Temporary parking lot is off of 11th, just past the dog park, the city built a gravel parking lot. follow the gravel path south into the grove, then turn left into the trail and follow the carsonite markers counterclockwise. Have fun!
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    Welp, I slept through my alarm and didn't make it to the work day, but I did go check out the trail around 4:30pm. I really like it but it is a hell of a lot of climbing in soft sand and leaves. The downhill bits are fun and everything (bridges, benches, trail) looks really nice. Great job by the workers. I have a couple comments though (not like my opinion matters)...

    1)Either warn people that they need a GPS or mark up the route a little better. I went to do 1 loop and ended up doing 2 unknowingly. Then, I spent about 30 minutes walking around just to find the path to the parking lot. It's not really fun feeling like you're lost in the middle of the woods.

    2) The wide fire-lane style area as you first start getting to the start of the trail would make a great place for a DH/FR/Skills/Dual Slalom area. There is plenty of room for an access line to the trail on one side while having the 'expert' style area off to the side. Would be great for dirt jumps, pump track, or like I said, a dual slalom/skills/dh/fr area.


    Just a couple thoughts I had whilst enjoying the fun new local trail


    *edit: it felt like I was going counter-clockwise but I may have been going the wrong way the entire time. I heard there was more downhill sections than climbing sections but I felt differently...
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    Quote Originally Posted by robe2
    We're all volunteers, Will. You're right, it's Saturday, and I'd rather be in bed with my wife, waking up to my kids and having fun, but I'm giving up yet another Saturday to help build trail...do whatever you want.
    No need to get angry, I just didn't see the point in the comment you made. Any extra help should be welcomed and not looked down upon if you aren't able to make it there on time. Plus, I'd hardly consider 8am-Noon "giving up" your Saturday.

    Great job out there today, though. I really enjoyed the trail and fully intend on making an appearance at the next work day. Is going out there and doing a little cleanup (i.e. clearing branches/grass/leaves) during the week or on a non-work day discouraged?

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    Thanks, Will.

    Still work to be done...didn't get the arrows for the yellow carsonite markers yet, so hopefully they'll go on this week, to ensure you go the correct direction. We also still need to put up a few more carsonite markers from the parking area...didn't have enough hands yesterday to get it all done.

    Trail is indeed still soft, so please keep riding it again and again...especially this week while we're getting some rain. Lots of tires = good compaction, especially with decent moisture content in the soil like we should have this week.

    We definitely plan on more amenities. Some of the other improvements have to wait until the City's park construction at the end of 9th are done, which is probably 8 months away. We already have permission for a pump track and skills park, but both will have to wait. As long as we have decent local support and folks will get involved and come to meetings at the City, the sky's the limit on what we can do.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [dB]Will
    No need to get angry, I just didn't see the point in the comment you made. Any extra help should be welcomed and not looked down upon if you aren't able to make it there on time. Plus, I'd hardly consider 8am-Noon "giving up" your Saturday.?
    Not angry, just don't appreciate the snide remarks. You want to help, show up for the workday and help, if not, don't. The comment was made to clarify when the work day started...kinda important to have the time correct, right? And when you're coordinating and running the workday, it begins by driving to santos earlier in the week to pick up equipment and tools for 30 volunteers. it also includes being there for about 10 hours earlier in the week to do work in preparation for guiding 30 volunteers, as well as being at the trail by 7 the day of the workday and not leaving until around 2...and also doesn't include the time to drive equipment and tools back to santos. the 4 hour workday cost me probably 20 hours in the last week...so yeah, i did give up my saturday.

    I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume you're a decent person who loves mt bikes as much as i do and who understands that having places to ride means working on trails at least as much as you get to ride them...i don't have any interest in people who aren't willing to give back to the trails, who enjoy critiquing the work of others, and who like to stir the pot. Again, I'll give you the benefit of the doubt and assume that you aren't one of those people.

    you wanna get together to ride and talk about the trail and possibilities of further expansion of the riding opportunities in mount dora, shoot me an email at robe2@embarqmail.com.

    and please don't do any work out on the trail until you have walked it with me to discuss the work that needs to be done. look forward to hearing from you.
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    Trail looks great. Thanks to all the volunteers who showed up and worked for what they love. Can't wait for the next work day.

    To clarify what Rob is saying, if a branch is laying across the trail, don't hesitate to move it to the side. Do not take it upon yourself to rake anything or cut a new line that YOU think would be better. We've had problems with this already. The trail is designed with purpose. If new lines are cut every week, it will destroy the trail and nobody will be able to enjoy it.

    dbWill, that wide open area at the start is not ours to use. That is where the city will have a walking trail eventually. We are using it temporarily until the city completes construction on the Lincoln Ave park. It would make a good DH section but the washout that would follow after months of riding and rain would be catastrophic to that area.

    ps. How can there be more DH than climbing if you start and stop at the same spot climbing always seems more because it takes longer. The DH's go by quick. Same holds true for road biking in the mountains. Glad you enjoy the trail, keep riding it. Let me know if you want to go out there sometime.
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    Rode it today for the first time.....definitely a leg burner. Trail is packing down nicely. Will be a good loop to time yourself on and improve your speed and endurance. You have to attack at all times due to the constant climbing. Riding this trail will definitely make you faster when you ride somewhere else that has flatter trails.

    Thanks to all the volunteers for making it happen.

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    Thanks, tinman.
    With the rain we've had, now is the perfect time to get wheels on this trail and get it compacted. It won't pack down when it's too dry, so encourage everyone to put some time on it, and let's make this thing fast!
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    Saw that someone posted a video of the trail on youtube. They rode it backwards, but it still gives you a good idea of what the trail is like. Hitting that ditch on the downhill is my favorite part of the trail.

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    Riding it backwards is not ideal. It is definitely designed to be ridden counter-clockwise.
    One more note guys, You can get speed on the first downhill coming out of the dog park. This downhill is part of the cities nature trail and not part of the MTB trail. We are using it temporarily until the Lincoln Ave park is built on 9th ave. That being said, I am noticing a LOT of skidding going on coming down that hill. Please, this looks bad on us because it is not out trail. You shouldn't be bombing that hill anyways because people can be walking on it at the same time and it does have blind corners. I know it can be fun but all it takes is one accident to kill this whole thing. Take it easy down the hill coming out of the dog park and then when you get to the MTB trail, go as fast as you want.
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    The trail is fun if you like to pedal. If I wasn't so lazy I would probably enjoy it more I guess. I'm more of a haul-ass-downhill kind of person...

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    Can someone please post pictures of the trail? I'm over in Melbourne and want to know if it would be worth making the drive over to Mt. Dora.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mount Dora Cycles
    One more note guys, You can get speed on the first downhill coming out of the dog park. This downhill is part of the cities nature trail and not part of the MTB trail. We are using it temporarily until the Lincoln Ave park is built on 9th ave. That being said, I am noticing a LOT of skidding going on coming down that hill. Please, this looks bad on us because it is not out trail. You shouldn't be bombing that hill anyways because people can be walking on it at the same time and it does have blind corners. I know it can be fun but all it takes is one accident to kill this whole thing. Take it easy down the hill coming out of the dog park and then when you get to the MTB trail, go as fast as you want.
    Are you talking about the part with the bridge or without the bridge?

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    hardtailkid...... Do a search on youtube for mt. dora mtb trail. There are a couple of videos on there. When is everyone riding out there? It looks like a lot of people have been riding out there, but I have yet to see anyone while I am there. I have been going on the weekdays about 5ish when the wife gets home from work, but the time change is gonna put a stop to that soon. Anyone else notice the brave squirrels out there? Almost as if they are around every corner.

    Schmitty...the part without the bridge.... It's a nice reward after that long climb.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [dB]Will
    The trail is fun if you like to pedal. If I wasn't so lazy I would probably enjoy it more I guess. I'm more of a haul-ass-downhill kind of person...

    This post kinda struck me as funny... if you dont like to pedal, why ride a bike at all?

    Don't get me wrong, I am definitely a "haul-ass-downhill" guy, and I do every DH race in the east that I can afford to attend. But come on, this is Florida, at least we have a few places to ride. Anyway, I decided to check out the trail on Sunday instead of my usual 1.5 hour drive to Santos etc... Very well laid out, nice flow. It needs a bit of rain to knock down the sand, but overall I had fun during my 5 laps. It'll be interesting to see how it beds in.
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    It's relatively sandy right now in areas after we did some bench cutting. I go out there everyday and throw some vegetation over the sand to help. It will get back to where it was eventually.

    Funny about not liking to pedal. I actually laughed.
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    sorry schmitty.....thought you were talking about the ditch reference in my post.

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    Good ride tonight. Me, Aspot, Mark and Tinman rode a total of 17 laps. Freakin dry as a bone but still fun. There is one spot that may need to be looked at coming down the new section. It's very deep sand and a few of us are afraid someone inexperienced may really hurt themselves coming down at that oak tree on the right side. I'm not sure the rain will help that section too much but damn the rest of the trail needs it....it better come quick or I'm wearing a dust mask next time.

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    Great ride tonight. I think there are some spots that could use a little modification to help with flow and sustainability. Like Jake said, the one spot on the new section that is in the field and is soft sand may end up being a bigger issue later. I like the new layout and the bridges. This was my first ride since the workday and the trail has been much improved. It was great meeting Tinman, and it was a great ride. After 5 laps it was too dark to do more w/o bringing the light. Warning, bring bug spray if you plan on taking a break out there. The mosquitoes were trying to carry us off tonight. Any idea on the next workday yet?

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    It was good meeting you guys the other night....can finally put some faces with the names. Some of those sections are going to need mulch or gravel thrown down to firm things up. I think the beginning of the christmas section on the west side of the landbridge at Santos had gravel mixed into the sand and it did the trick.

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    Let me rephrase: I do not like climbing. I grew up in S.FL and there wasn't much climbing there. I'm looking to move somewhere up north with lift access. But why even bother riding a bike, right? I don't mind a little climb but a mostly uphill trail in the swamp is not my idea of fun. You hardcore XC'ers can keep your spandex and climb all you f*cking want.

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    Quote Originally Posted by [dB]Will
    Let me rephrase: I do not like climbing. I grew up in S.FL and there wasn't much climbing there. I'm looking to move somewhere up north with lift access. But why even bother riding a bike, right? I don't mind a little climb but a mostly uphill trail in the swamp is not my idea of fun. You hardcore XC'ers can keep your spandex and climb all you f*cking want.
    Damn Will, lay it right out on the line, hey? LOL! Jay is far from a guy who wears spandex or being a hardcore XC rider, though he does like his trail rides. He is a DH'er, kick a** FR my friend. Anyways, I know what you mean about climbing bro, as I am not into all that stuff either. I would rather bomb down at warp speed a gnarly hillside or mountain, huck off a sweet ledge drop, ride a trails mixed up with jumps, table-tops, rolling drops, and other technical challenge, than climb, climb, and even more climbing. But for FL, we have no choice to either climb rollers or gradual uphill climbs along with flatland in swamps or hardwood. Thus the reason my family is moving to western NC next year. Not the best DH, but it will do.

    Hey bro, we got to hook up some time in the near future to ride either Santos, Soldiers Creek, LBE, Carter, or Alafia. Are you still living in South FL?


    On the other hand, I guess i am going to have to mosey on up that way to give this trail a run and hopefully by then, the Orlando Bike Park will be open for riding then.

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    No, I live up in Eustis (next to Mt. Dora) now. I've been looking to go to Santos sometime soon but, like you said, by the time that happens the OMBP will be open. If you can ever ake it up this way I'm absolutely down to ride.

    I didn't mean to come off dickish in the last post, it was a loooong day, but I still don't like climbing. I'd almost rather not ride than go climb around in the swamp for a couple hours.

    I'm trying to talk the gal to either move to Colorado, Canada, Cali or WV (her home state). If we move to WV we'll be moving to Morgantown which is apparently 1-3 hours from at least 3 different mountains, one of which has lift access We'll see how that goes though....

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    Quote Originally Posted by [dB]Will
    Let me rephrase: I do not like climbing. I grew up in S.FL and there wasn't much climbing there. I'm looking to move somewhere up north with lift access. But why even bother riding a bike, right? I don't mind a little climb but a mostly uphill trail in the swamp is not my idea of fun. You hardcore XC'ers can keep your spandex and climb all you f*cking want.



    Yeah, I'm definitely a Hardcore spandex wearing XCer! By the way, I ride a 46lb Transition Dirtbag. Defititely a XC race machine. If I had the choice, I'd be living up north near real mountains with lift access, but alas my employer is in Fl so i'm here too (for now.) I was just picking fun at ya with that pedaling comment, but I gotta tell ya, if you really don't like to pedal, DH probably isn't for you either. It takes just as much streangth and endurance as XC, but twice as much balls. I just love to ride a bike. I prefer gravity, and I've been known to hit 25-30ft drops and gaps, but I'll take flowy, fun trail riding any chance I can get. And yes, I do ride XC with my FR bike, (and I've done 50+ epics on it and usually I'm at the head of the pack) but no, I don't wear spandex, unless you count the chamois under my riding pants.

    BTW, if you haven't been to Santos, you really should check it out. The OMBP will be cool when its done, but it will never touch Santos as a riding destination.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [dB]Will

    WV (her home state). If we move to WV we'll be moving to Morgantown which is apparently 1-3 hours from at least 3 different mountains, one of which has lift access We'll see how that goes though....
    The entire state of WV is nothing but mountains, but there are only two resorts with lifts that allow bikes as far as I know. Those are Timberline and Snowshoe, both of which are fun but there's a lot more trails at Snowshoe. Just sayin...
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    I'd rather pedal and haul-ass then pedal and get nowhere.


    Yeah, where she wants to move is near Snowshoe and a couple other shuttle trail systems. That's what I mean by "mountains".

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    Jay, up for doing the Santos epic sometime before the end of the year? I'm wanting to give it a try.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ASpot13
    Jay, up for doing the Santos epic sometime before the end of the year? I'm wanting to give it a try.

    Sure Alex! I'm staying local this week and then going to Windrock in TN next week, but sometime in early Nov would be great, weather should be perfect. I'll hit you up when I get back in town.
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    Quote Originally Posted by [dB]Will
    I'd rather pedal and haul-ass then pedal and get nowhere.
    I'm with ya on the hauling ass part. I guess I just like riding trail enough to suffer through the pedaling and climbing Besides, once you get up that hill, there's usually a nice descent after.

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    Yeah, where she wants to move is near Snowshoe and a couple other shuttle trail systems. That's what I mean by "mountains".

    WV (and Snowshoe in particular) has some amazing riding, you will love it. I've been 5 out of the last 6 summers (went to NC a couple times in 2009 instead of WV) its one of my favorite riding destinations. But you want to talk climbing, the XC climbs there will make you cry. And the roots make Oleta and Markham seem smooth. Anyway, happy riding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ASpot13
    Great ride tonight. I think there are some spots that could use a little modification to help with flow and sustainability. Like Jake said, the one spot on the new section that is in the field and is soft sand may end up being a bigger issue later. I like the new layout and the bridges. This was my first ride since the workday and the trail has been much improved. It was great meeting Tinman, and it was a great ride. After 5 laps it was too dark to do more w/o bringing the light. Warning, bring bug spray if you plan on taking a break out there. The mosquitoes were trying to carry us off tonight. Any idea on the next workday yet?
    Thanks for the call. sheesh
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    Thanks for the call. sheesh
    We know you're a family man. We're usually riding up there a few nights a week. We'll call you next time. Maybe you can make the drive if it's not too far.

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    Make the drive down the street to the Mt Dora trail? lol
    I appreciate thinking of me. Chances are 9 out of 10 times I won't be able to ride but you might catch me on a happy wife day.
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    I've been meaning to get out there lately. I'm also trying to make a trip to Santos soon as well...

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    I just found out about this trail last week, and was able to get out there yesterday to check it out. First of all, THANK YOU to everyone who made this happen. It's nice to have another local trail to ride apart from Soldiers Creek (which I like quite a lot). Great work!

    I arrived right after a brief rain, so the the trails were pretty slick (wet leaves and sand). Some of the uphills are killer, especially with the sand and leaves. You'll definitely know what kind of cardio shape you're in after riding this trail.

    Unfortunately the slippery conditions prevented me from hitting the tighter corners aggressively (I'm pretty new to this sport), but I had a blast anyway. I'll definitely be riding this trail a lot, and hope to meet (and learn) from some of you pros out there.

    Here's a short video I shot with my GoPro HD.

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    Trail conditions look great in the video. A lot better than the dust and grime we've been having to ride in lately. The video just doesn't do justice to the elevation out there. Thanks for posting the video.

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    It should be awesome to ride right now. Everybody should go ride it this weekend to help pack it back in after all the good rain we've had. I'm going back out there today to do some work on it while it's moist.
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    I heard that a group of cross country runners have discovered the mtb trails and are planning on doing some group runs on friday nights there. This would not be good for the steep sandy hills. Those hills are steep and sandy enough that it will look like a horse trail after they run up them. I have almost collided a few times with people out for their evening walks on the mtb trails. I know runners will not cause much harm to the trails, but the hills will not stay packed down with people running up them. Maybe we need some signs to warn people that it is a MTB designated trail. The runners have the Hidden Waters area in Eustis that is not open to MTB riding, so why should they be able to run on our MTB trails? Sorry if this angers any runners on here, but there are two seperate issues here.....the hills getting tore up and possible collisions between hikers/runners and bikers.

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    ^^ I agree. I live by the Hidden Waters area and always see XC teams running in there and always wondered what it would be like to ride in there. But that aside, the possibility of them tearing up the trails is not good and one solid collision could put the brakes on this whole operation real quick.

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    I like having the runners. They clear spider webs.

    Comparing running on a trail and a horse on a trail is 2 totally different things. The only thing tearing up that trail is people not knowing how to use brakes in Florida. Skidding is not the best way to slow down. Also, climbing a hill on a bike tears it up more than a runners shoe. The impact of runners actually helps compact the trail.

    Now, the other issue is collisions. As long as the runners yield to cyclist, we shouldn't have a problem. Hopefully they all know what to do in that situation. All the yellow carsonite markers clearly state that it is a biking trail. Most runners I see run in the opposite direction of bike traffic so that helps with awareness.

    Maybe they will see how much fun cycling is and catch the bug. Will, I thought you hated the trail? Now you sounds concerned about it. A collision is covered if it happens so no, it wouldn't shut down the trail.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mount Dora Cycles
    Will, I thought you hated the trail? Now you sounds concerned about it.
    No ned to jump to conclusions. I don't recall ever saying I "hated" the trail, it's just not all that much fun to me. That doesn't mean that I want to see it get ruined or shut down for others that DO enjoy it. I'm not that much of an ******* to wish that on you guys.

    I also agree, a runners shoes won't cause too much damage to the trail but 20+ runners on a team may possible have an impact. Have you ever tried running up hill in sand? You don't land flat on your feet but rather on the balls of your feet and that causes the toe-area of your shoes to dig in. It won't cause a whole lot of damage but it most definitely won't pack anything down in any of the climbs. Especially with a "team" as mentioned.

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    Well.....runners have their own trail, as hikers /walkers do as well, so why do they need this trail? Was it not its soul purpose to be built for MTB's? You let them in there, they will take it over and troubles will start. I absolutely guarantee that and have seen it many times before here in FL alone. If at the least, there will be issues between these three groups and the trail may get closed or one to many rules applied in favor for them (not MTBR's) in the fear of lawsuits. Personally the trail is nice, not the greatest though, but it does. I look at it as a more cardio workout than having fun, but hey, it gives all you locals something to ride locally or until the Big-O MTB Park opens. Guys are doing a great job out there I must say!

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    I have encountered a few walkers/runners on the trail so I came up with a few suggestions for the rest of you to try...
    1. sing or hum the "Cheers" theme song loudly as you complete the loop...
    2. MORE COWBELL!!....mount one to your rig
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    4. continously scream the "f" word on the down hills

    Seriously though, the people that use it could careless about the markers...they most likely think its more for walking and running and there isn't anything else (besides the markers) letting them know that. Until there is a clear designation of the trail with the actual words "Mt. Dora Mountain Bike Trail" then there is no way around others using the trail. I'm not sure it's a bad idea for everyone else to use it either...I agree with Rich's compaction explanation BUT I think a sign that shows runners/walkers yield to bikers is worth the cash...in fact I'll pay for it. THEN everyone can feel free to run over the runners and walkers to create a more technical trail.

    Oh yeah and watch out on the downhill after the second bench...I ate it HARD there last night. You'll see my rut....its about 12 feet long and looks like a wheel was turned sideways the whole way(it was)....there should be a pool of blood, skin and hair at the end of it.....WAY TOO SOFT for any kind of speed.

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    I think I am going to go out and cut a new path around that soft sandy area. The original layout wasn't even designed to go that way but for some reason it was cut through there anyways. That area will never be sustainable.

    As far as "running over runners" I know you are joking around but this is the same attitude drivers have towards cyclist on the road. The road wasn't designed for cyclist but we have the right to ride on it don't we? This trail was designed for MTBing but runners have the right to run on it. Give respect and get respect. Who knows, you might even bump into me running on the trail. You don't want to even try to run me over.

    I'm glad for the feedback Chilipepper. It is pretty much what you said, a cardio workout for right now. I have ideas for structures to be built in areas to make it more fun but I am awaiting approval. We have to keep it as an option though as the main purpose of the trail is for families and beginners. I do have another 1/2 mile laid out to add to it sometime soon. Wish it would start raining.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mount Dora Cycles
    I think I am going to go out and cut a new path around that soft sandy area. The original layout wasn't even designed to go that way but for some reason it was cut through there anyways. That area will never be sustainable.
    Let me know if you need help with this, or any maintenance of the trail. I only live about 1.2 miles down the road. (Just passed your old shop). Let me know!

    Great job so far on the trail! Cardio is good! It's a lot off fun too. Since I changed to a more sand friendly tire its a lot easier getting up the hills and around those sandy areas.

    As far as the runners go, should we wait for an invitation to ride their trail?? Just kidding! I've only passed one runner so far and didn't have a problem. I really don't see any issue with a few runners here or there- especially if they run in the opposite direction so they see the bikes coming.
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    Is that you Kevin? Welcome to MTBR! I think I saw you and your kids coming from the trail one day. I live about 1/4 mile from the trail. I'm holding off on working on it more till we get more rain. I'm hoping to get another work day scheduled in January.
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    Ye that's me. Any time you need help just ask. We are pretty slow at work during the winter.

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    Installed 2 more benches today. One down by the pond and one after the 1st sinkhole. It might look like its sitting in the middle of nowhere but that will be the future location of the pumptrack. Also added some more markers for those bad with directions and marked some new trail. Have to wait for some wetter weather before cutting the trail though.

    Thanks for helping out Kevin and Rob for setting it up.
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    Just so everyone knows, the city has the trail dug up right now to install an underground drainage pipe. The trail is temporarily closed until they get it installed and covered back up. We are using this time to blaze new trails so next time you ride it, it will be slightly different. Trying to get some new features installed as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Mount Dora Cycles
    Just so everyone knows, the city has the trail dug up right now to install an underground drainage pipe. The trail is temporarily closed until they get it installed and covered back up. We are using this time to blaze new trails so next time you ride it, it will be slightly different. Trying to get some new features installed as well.

    When I saw your FB post I thought all Hell broke loose! Sometimes you must destroy to create and improve. I can't wait to see how she turns out.

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    Call me when you start working on the trail. I'd like to help.

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    Me too!

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    I met with the City yesterday to discuss the drainage project. They anticipate that it should be done by mid-week next week. They are repairing the big washout that we had the bridge over by installing an inlet upstream, a new hdpe pipe, and a discharge structure at the bottom. Currently, the swatch of destruction crosses our trail twice, and they've accessed the trail across another section of trail to the northwest. They're going to hydroseed the construction area, so grass will start growing quickly, but the area now looks very open. They agreed to block off uphill of our trail with some of the trees they took down to keep folks from just driving down the hill into the property. I'm going to talk to the City about planting some other vegetation within this area after the construction is done. As for the bridge, they are going to move it to another location for us, where it will become a ladder bridge downhill, on probably a 60% angle. It will also need transitions at the top and bottom built, which we'll work on once we get the bridge into place. The City will be able to get the bridge to within about 50' of it's final resting place, but we'll have to get it moved from there...gonna take some able bodies to move it, but i think we will be able to roll it on some fence posts or pipe easily since it's a downhill slope to where we want it. It will make a nice addition to the trail eventually. I also have built a more permanent bridge to replace the small bridge that's out there today. I pre-built it at my house and will likely need 3 other folks to help me get it into place. Once the City's moved out, we'll get it installed.

    I've asked the City to please communicate with us better in the future when they're planning on doing work out there so we can let users know. This project was a surprise to everyone.
    Rob
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