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    Markham Park Lap Times

    Another MTB milestone for me. I was able to complete my first full non stop lap at Markham on Tuesday. I did not officially time myself but it took approx 55 minutes (based on the time I left my car and got back to my car). Cleaned every climb along the way and no bypassing in case you are wondering.

    My goal now is to drop official times. Just wanted to know the times that are being put down by some of you. (Warm up trail included) to see where I stand so far.
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    I never time myself at Markham because I still to this day don't know the trails well. So I do them in sparatic order. Sometimes repeating some trails. I need to go there a bit more and learn the flow a bit better.
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    i've not timed myself on a complete lap either, however i know of several others that have. i believe some are in the mid to low 40 minutes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biohazard74
    I never time myself at Markham because I still to this day don't know the trails well. So I do them in sparatic order. Sometimes repeating some trails. I need to go there a bit more and learn the flow a bit better.

    Hit me up one weekend - I'll take you through the linear route.


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    both.

    there are a few weekend warriors out there that are over 50 and ride 2-3 laps back to back each weekend. it's impossible NOT to get fast doing that.
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    Damn 2-3 non stop laps. I'm not there yet, but i'll make it my goal after I drop my single lap. down substancially. The biggest energy sapper are the technical climbs.
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    I have a couple of friends that race and don't do Markham that fast btw. I think they might be doing those times cutting something out.
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    Drift I go there about once a month. When is the next time you are going?
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    I just asked and a good time to do all of Markham in is 50 min to 1 hr and 5 min. This is coming from people that race it. And ride it often. Like 2 to 3 days a week.
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    I ride it every weekend (live around the corner), so just say when. This sat I'm in doing Boyette so early Sunday and maybe monday ill be free.
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    i'll check with a few guys to see what they say...

    if you guys want a good way to practice getting faster come up to quiet waters and do a few fast non-stop laps.

    ever ride there?


    edit - 46 minute lap confirmed, and that's by a guy in his mid 40's
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    I rode QW twice.. Its hot as hell there!
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    markham times

    There are expert racers who pull low 40s there. Sport guys routinely do mid- 40 mins. and I was doing it in 55 mins. as a Base Clydedale - 40 lbs. ago. No shortcuts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LordDRIFT
    I rode QW twice.. Its hot as hell there!
    only if you slow down! average 10-12mph and you actually stay decently cool. let me know when you want to ride QW..
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    Quote Originally Posted by LordDRIFT
    I rode QW twice.. Its hot as hell there!
    Now I haven't been down there in a while, but last I saw of that area the trails may have been fixed post hurricane Wilma, but they haven't gotten any trees back there. It must be brutal without any cover.

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    it's summer in south florida - everywhere is brutal. honestly, i feel like the trees of markham hold the humidity in and don't allow for breeze. QW has water and some openness so the breeze comes through. i ride after 5pm during the week and it's not too bad.
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    I went to Quiet Waters a year ago and i loved it. Except for the heat of there being no trees the trails flowed nicely. I suggest going only in the cooler months since there aren't many trees i almost over heated a few times. As far as the trails go though? Like i said, they were great
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    I hear Bob McCarty can do a lap in the 30's range.
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    Quote Originally Posted by darty
    i ride after 5pm during the week and it's not too bad.
    That's the key. Works up here in Gainesville, where we're too far inland to get any kind of breeze.

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    where is Quiet Waters? I'm new here.

    Thanks.

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    ... and if we just ...

    A few new things have been added to some trails. Warm-up loop has a bridge feature now as well. Access to Route 66 has been changed too.
    I finally can do most of the trails in one go, except some of the steeper climbs that I have issues with.. Speed is one issue...but I am still learning..
    I love the trails at Markham though and it is only 5 minutes away from home..
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    beginning of rock garden now goes into reverse deep dark forest and then finishes with reverse of rock garden

    i kinda like the changes

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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW
    A few new things have been added to some trails. Warm-up loop has a bridge feature now as well. Access to Route 66 has been changed too.
    I finally can do most of the trails in one go, except some of the steeper climbs that I have issues with.. Speed is one issue...but I am still learning..
    I love the trails at Markham though and it is only 5 minutes away from home..

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    ... and if we just ...

    Quote Originally Posted by LordDRIFT
    New River Circle?
    Could be..I don't know the name or if a trail has been renamed. I'll find out if they changed the trailmap tomorrow, as I need my fix...
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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW
    Could be..I don't know the name or if a trail has been renamed. I'll find out if they changed the trailmap tomorrow, as I need my fix...

    I was asking if that's where you live? I live pretty close too and usually see a MTBer coming and going from my neighborhood when I'm not riding. Never met him though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LordDRIFT
    I was asking if that's where you live? I live pretty close too and usually see a MTBer coming and going from my neighborhood when I'm not riding. Never met him though.
    Oops... I am not that familiar with Weston as I am staying with my folks who live in The Islands. I drive my truck ( Chevy Avalanche) to the park with my bike in the bed.
    The trails changed again btw. The original entry to Rock Garden is open again but the trail seems to run a different route than before. I didn't go in to explore as RG is above my skill level...
    This AM I did 5 trails in one go without stopping and/or falling I had a rest and did 2 more with good result. I am getting back in shape!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW
    Oops... I am not that familiar with Weston as I am staying with my folks who live in The Islands. I drive my truck ( Chevy Avalanche) to the park with my bike in the bed.
    The trails changed again btw. The original entry to Rock Garden is open again but the trail seems to run a different route than before. I didn't go in to explore as RG is above my skill level...
    This AM I did 5 trails in one go without stopping and/or falling I had a rest and did 2 more with good result. I am getting back in shape!!
    The trail didn't change again, just the entrance. You still make a quick right that puts you at where you had to start it last week. I guess its easier if you ride the new route for the first time. People where all sorts of confused last week - though I cant see why. I did have a heads up on the changes though, so I guess it wasnt such a shock to my system. Its a welcome change though iIwill miss the initial rock over.
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    ... and if we just ...

    It just looked different I guess...I didn't check it out this AM but will next week. Rt 66 was closed because of the mud?? All the other trails were nice to ride this AM even though it was warming up quickly..
    There was a bit of water and mud here and there but nothing bad.
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    we're headed out there today about 5pm. look for a few guys on: orange raleigh HT, scott HT, fisher hi-fi x 2. see ya out there.

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    ... and if we just ...

    5 PM?? I understand if you have schedule issues, but it is a wee bit warm for my tastes that time of the day....I like the early AM myself, much cooler temps.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW
    5 PM?? I understand if you have schedule issues, but it is a wee bit warm for my tastes that time of the day....I like the early AM myself, much cooler temps.
    That actually depends. Its been in the high 80's lately at around 8am lately. So it's kind of hard to escape the temps no matter what time you go. I went to Amelia yesterday at 6 and i have to say thank goodness for the high winds yesterday because it was hot as hell inside the trails. As soon as 7pm came around tho things cooled down quite a bit. I have stayed there till atleast 8 - 8:30 a few times to get in a good ride
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    it rained pretty hard right before i got there and was actually pretty nice to ride, minus all the mud.

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    I'm thinking of riding tomorrow morning...I haven't been to Markham and was planning on it tomorrow morning or Thursday afternoon. Anyone by there today to see if it is still real muddy...might just have to go to Amelia again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Biohazard74
    That actually depends. Its been in the high 80's lately at around 8am lately. So it's kind of hard to escape the temps no matter what time you go. I went to Amelia yesterday at 6 and i have to say thank goodness for the high winds yesterday because it was hot as hell inside the trails. As soon as 7pm came around tho things cooled down quite a bit. I have stayed there till atleast 8 - 8:30 a few times to get in a good ride
    True that and the wind lately has been a big help in cooling things down a bit. Pitty Rt 66 is always closed with all that rain.
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    Quote Originally Posted by tyrone.minton
    it rained pretty hard right before i got there and was actually pretty nice to ride, minus all the mud.
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    Quote Originally Posted by LordDRIFT
    Do you guys roll in a green ford pick up?
    What do you drive? Maybe we met?? I'll be out there Monday AM..
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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW
    What do you drive? Maybe we met?? I'll be out there Monday AM..
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    Good job!

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    Do you guys know anyone that works here? It would be nice for them to put an UPDATED map up at the front. I tend to get a little lost on the routes to take.

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    follow this link.

    http://clubmud.com/parks/parks.html

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    Thanks alot. I hope to get out there soon and see what I can get my times at.

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    Some trails have been reversed like Fishermans loop which also has a few small climbs added. It is now a little more of a workout on that trail. Deep Dark Forrest and Rockgarden have been combined a bit and reversed as well.
    The big map does need an update though...
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    New course GPS track

    Yesterday I rode Markham for the first time since all the new changes, which I really like good job volunteers!

    Previously this year in not so d.hot weather my best time was 48mn

    Yesterday 55mn
    http://sportypal.com/Workouts/Embed/528916

    With my new Android phone the tracking is better but still loose distance +/-10% compare to my bike computer, only the time is good in the stats, (take away the time to turn on & off in & out of the back pack)

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    Whats the App you use to track? That would be nice to use, I dont have a bike computer.

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    I ran a 53 mins in the new config. I ran it without my power bar since I needed to burn off some crap I ate over the weekend. I'm confident I should be able to put down a much better time with a good run.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ZDR420
    Whats the App you use to track? That would be nice to use, I dont have a bike computer.
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    39 and change is a very fast expert racer-balls-out lap time... anyone that claims faster is missing sections...
    With McCarty and a few others, we can get from 39:10 (Bob) to 39:55 (1st place expert-class racers). Just FYI... In a race the course is always different, so it's hard to compare race times... This includes EVERYTHING possible...

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    Isn't route 66 out though?
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    I included route 66 in my lap time.
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    Hey Don, in the beginning you mentioned the line to follow at Markham. Man I've been riding here for over a year and I still follow my own path...

    Which way do you guys normally follow? I do the entire park none stop, bypassing Gun Range which I'll start doing soon, but I'n not sure if I'm missing something... I thought it. I wanna start riding with some of the guys to see which way they take.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dasaltek
    Hey Don, in the beginning you mentioned the line to follow at Markham. Man I've been riding here for over a year and I still follow my own path...

    Which way do you guys normally follow? I do the entire park none stop, bypassing Gun Range which I'll start doing soon, but I'n not sure if I'm missing something... I thought it. I wanna start riding with some of the guys to see which way they take.
    That's the complete classic ride:
    Go to the link I posted before: http://sportypal.com/Workouts/Embed/528916
    then on the top of the webpage select "Vel" a graph will appear on the bottom drag across it and you will see the direction of the ride, that's with all the new change.

    Follow at the same time the map of the trails that you will find here: http://clubmud.com/parks/parks.html so you will have the names of the trails along.

    There is just to many to post or to even try to remember

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    This is great, thanks!!!
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    In the winter time when its cooler, I do 2-3 back to back, and depending on how much I have been riding, on 2 bottles of water. My single lap paces are faster than back to backs since i will be pacing myself but I think a single is around 45-48min depending on how I feel. I don't think I could keep up with Expertrider, but I am fairly quick at Markham.

    Now that they changed the flow of the trail, it seems shorter than it was before (entering Deep Forest from the rear) and Route 66 has been closed, hope they are doing good things!
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    I think its closed due to rain.
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    Rain and some new construction. If I understood it right, another bridge feature may be added but I am not 100% sure. Maybe someone in-the-know could shed some light..
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    Quote Originally Posted by dubdryver
    In the winter time when its cooler, I do 2-3 back to back, and depending on how much I have been riding, on 2 bottles of water. My single lap paces are faster than back to backs since i will be pacing myself but I think a single is around 45-48min depending on how I feel. I don't think I could keep up with Expertrider, but I am fairly quick at Markham.

    Now that they changed the flow of the trail, it seems shorter than it was before (entering Deep Forest from the rear) and Route 66 has been closed, hope they are doing good things!
    Longer due to fishing hole now connecting in armadillo and included within the flow of the trails and no difference for dark forest/ rock garden or a few seconds longer but more fun!

    Also when you say winter time did you ride the change at outback exit now going into puma before reaching the road to gun range.

    check my previous post for the new flow.

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    I like the new flow a lot. I did the whole thing this AM for the first time including rockgarden that is now easier to ride in the reversed mode. Fisherman's Loop got more interesting with the twists and small climbs.
    If only 66 was open.....
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    I dont think it easier to ride..its more fun though. The fact that the big rock over is reversed does make that small section easier and i do miss it.
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    All depends on how good of a rider someone is I guess. Today was a mud bath after all that rain. and tomorrow will not be any better after the deluge we had this PM...
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    ... and if we just ...

    Today I had my best ride to date. Riding all my usual trails incl gunrange in one go without stopping. Than I rested up a bit at the truck for some grub and drink and rode more than half the trails incl gunrange again...I know I'll feel it tomorrow thought...
    Pitty 66 is still closed...
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    I rode Markham for the first time yesterday on the single speed and hit everything that was open 3 times in 2.5 hours. I had to poke around a bit the first time to find trail entrances, and I only stopped at the van for long enough to top off the bottles between laps. It is a real nice system and I look forward to riding it more whenever I have to work down that way.

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    Good for you! Once you get to know the trails better, you'll go faster and faster if that is your game.
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