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    Markham Park Info

    I am planning on heading down to Ft. Lauderdale this weekend and was thinking of trying out the trail at Markham Park. I heard that the trail may be underwater due to the recent rains, is this true? Should I wait for another time to go for my first time, if so is there another park nearby I can hit while I'm down there? Thanks

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    Markham is a awesome trail, you will have a blast. If it is your first time you need to take a 15 mins safety class at the front office. Its just a video. If you are concerned about the conditions of the trail you can call the front office for the trail conditions. Here is the info....

    Markham Park & Target Range
    16001 W. State Rd. 84, Sunrise, FL 33326
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    Not underwater. Several water/mud spots, possibly. The only area that get really wet/muddy is Route 66 (advanced). Markham holds up really well all season. Make sure you do all the expert/pro sections because going to Markham without doing those is pointless (IMO).

    FYI; chance of rain for the next several days down there is about 50%.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DansDaMan561 View Post
    Markham is a awesome trail, you will have a blast. If it is your first time you need to take a 15 mins safety class at the front office. Its just a video. If you are concerned about the conditions of the trail you can call the front office for the trail conditions. Here is the info....

    Markham Park & Target Range
    16001 W. State Rd. 84, Sunrise, FL 33326
    Office: 954-357-8868
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    E-mail: MarkhamPark@broward.org

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    Thanks for the great information. Can't wait to hit it this weekend! Thanks again everyone!

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    Go early to miss the late afternoon thunder(lightning) storms - we seem to be in the season early this year.

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    Early AM is best in as far as the weather goes. There are a few spots of mud and the volunteers are aware of them so maybe this weekend some work will get done...
    Bermuda trail has a deep hole in a twisty section shortly after the wooden bridge.
    Rte 66 is more than likely flooded as it is the lowest spot in Markham. Outback trail has a few puddles too and the rest of the trails are pretty dry. It is rainy season so we'll just have to deal with some mud in spots. Just be careful on the wooden bridges and log overs as they get slippery.Enjoy the ride(s)
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    Planning on making the trip from Naples to hit Markham this weekend. I'll shoot you a PM bustermin.

    Anyone else want to join a group of first time Markham riders. Can't wait to hit the expert trails. My FSR is still waiting on parts so I will be aboard the EVO HT!!
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    Ok, just got back from Markham Park, I was great I think the water actually made it more fun. It was a little confusing for my first time I somehow did a couple of the trails twice and somehow kept ending up at the area near the warmup section where they are building the rhythm sections. But all in all it was Awsome I expect it will get better as I learn the trails. Thanks for all the input from everyone.

    Sorry DS33gt I didn't see you message until just now, maybe we can hook up next time. Thanks again everyone. Already looking forward to going again.

    Just out of curiosity, is Oleta a better trail? I'm sure it is a personal like or dislike but I've never been there either and was considering that too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bustermin View Post
    Just out of curiosity, is Oleta a better trail?
    I wouldn't call it better or worse, just different. I like it because it's the longest trail system around so you can go on a really long ride without having to repeat anything. One complete lap there is probably equal to 3 or 4 at Markham. There's a few trails that are difficult enough to get the adrenaline going but they aren't quite as big or technical as most of what Markham has.The downside is it's super rooty and will get frustrating if you don't have FS or big wheels. I probably like as much as Markham but just for different reasons.

    Amelia is really good too.

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    I agree with what Jon said about Oleta except for.."One complete lap there is probably equal to 3 or 4 at Markham." Oleta is only 5 miles longer than Markham (+/-). I would ride Markham every day if it was close by!

    The best part (and longest loop) of Oleta is Gilligan's Island. You can easily miss this whole section so it would be wise to follow a local or GPS it (TIP: look for a sign after "stairway to heaven" - turn left). While I really like the roots at Oleta, the 3" round rocks (coral) sitting in the middle of a line can get a little old. Any scratches or dings that are on my rims are all from Oleta.

    BTW: If you cleared 100% of Markham, good job. You are good to go on any other trail in the state.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaveOn View Post
    I agree with what Jon said about Oleta except for.."One complete lap there is probably equal to 3 or 4 at Markham." Oleta is only 5 miles longer than Markham (+/-). I would ride Markham every day if it was close by!

    The best part (and longest loop) of Oleta is Gilligan's Island. You can easily miss this whole section so it would be wise to follow a local or GPS it (TIP: look for a sign after "stairway to heaven" - turn left). While I really like the roots at Oleta, the 3" round rocks (coral) sitting in the middle of a line can get a little old. Any scratches or dings that are on my rims are all from Oleta.

    BTW: If you cleared 100% of Markham, good job. You are good to go on any other trail in the state.
    Hmm, I use EndoMondo on my phone to track my riding so it must get thrown off in the woods are Markham. I did three laps yesterday and it gave me a distance of a little over 13 miles. Oleta is about 15 or 16 right?

    You can also get trail maps of Oleta at the entrance. They're not super high resolution but they work well enough to help you get around.

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    Using a smartphone (GPS) is not accurate enough when compared to a bike computer. They are best for open and straight type rides. Once you throw in some very tight turns it can't refresh enough so it measures zig-zags instead of curves. Once you get in (canopy) dense areas like "Big Gulp" it averages lines. Only accurate way to measure with smartphone is with a ANT+ device.

    I only use my iPhone for general mapping.

    Markham is around 8.65 miles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bustermin View Post
    Ok, just got back from Markham Park, I was great I think the water actually made it more fun. It was a little confusing for my first time I somehow did a couple of the trails twice and somehow kept ending up at the area near the warmup section where they are building the rhythm sections. But all in all it was Awsome I expect it will get better as I learn the trails. Thanks for all the input from everyone.

    Sorry DS33gt I didn't see you message until just now, maybe we can hook up next time. Thanks again everyone. Already looking forward to going again.

    Just out of curiosity, is Oleta a better trail? I'm sure it is a personal like or dislike but I've never been there either and was considering that too.
    Glad you enjoyed Markham. It takes a bit of riding to get the feel for the whole thing but it is worth it. Many more good things are on the way into the park too btw...
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    I did right around 12 miles, hit just about everything did the loop that includes high point 4 times, that was fun. Can't wait to get back down there.

    I have a business meeting in Orlando late June, want to hit up alafia, palm boyette, and santos. I want to do two of the three, what are the best two?
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    New question here.

    Do Not skip Santos !!!' it's awsome.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RaveOn View Post
    The best part (and longest loop) of Oleta is Gilligan's Island. You can easily miss this whole section so it would be wise to follow a local or GPS it (TIP: look for a sign after "stairway to heaven" - turn left). While I really like the roots at Oleta, the 3" round rocks (coral) sitting in the middle of a line can get a little old. Any scratches or dings that are on my rims are all from Oleta.

    BTW: If you cleared 100% of Markham, good job. You are good to go on any other trail in the state.
    being able to clear Markham means you should be able to ride anything in Florida? I haven't been on rides outside of South Florida much, so i'm not disputing you; just asking is Markham really that good of a measuring stick compared to the rest of Florida?

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    Being able to do 100% of Markham does prepare you for just about anything, however trail knowledge in any trail system will make you a better rider there. All trails can take some time to learn how to ride well. Markham is the hardest in South Florida for sure, but Alafia and Santos have tough parts that can kick anyones butt no matter how well they ride Markham..
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    Markham contains a little of everything the state has to offer, but in a condensed little package. There are trails that have bigger gaps, jumps, climbs or stairs...but I can't think of any that have all that in one package and fits on a keychain.

    BTW: What trail has an 8FT wall ride? (even though it has a terrible run up)

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    Can't wwait to get back there with the FS bike. Some awesome man made features there, that one wall ride that turns hard to the right, really caught me by surprise, I had no momentum going into it.... not too good with the trail names, I think it was by washing machine???
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    Markham park was the first trail I've rode 19 years ago! So damn awesome. I was part of the trail crew that built most of the trails back in the day.
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    If you were Involved in building Markham park trails please P.M. me I want to re connect with you guys.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ds33gt View Post
    that one wall ride that turns hard to the right, really caught me by surprise, I had no momentum going into it...
    Yep. Happened to me first time also. I'm sure the intent of the wall ride was to give momentum for the tricky climb right after it. However, that 180-degree turn has always been a slow turn because of the approach.

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    Somehow I missed that! Now I have to go back! Lol

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    That is it, totally caught me off gaurd!! Very cool feature. The only other areas I need to explore are route 66(closed) and I either missed the top/loop section of gun range or it was closed. I was on a small section for a little while but then came back out to the gun range trail head. I know Iissec it because I didn't have the oppurtunity to ride skeletor.
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    That wall is actually a mistake in execution and it will be rectified with the next trail maintenance day. The trail is called Outback Extension and the trail will likely be reversed so that the wall will become functional. As it stands now the radius is wrong for the current direction.
    We just got a key piece of equipment ( Muck Truck ) to make trail building easier (if that's possible...) and we should be able to fix the trails faster after damage has occurred.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bustermin View Post
    Somehow I missed that! Now I have to go back! Lol
    This is why I said the following on my original post..
    Quote Originally Posted by RaveOn
    Make sure you do all the expert/pro sections because going to Markham without doing those is pointless (IMO).
    Everytime I'm there I see many bypass many of the best features.
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    The only other areas I need to explore are route 66(closed0
    Route-66 needs to be closed after heavy rains because its low land and floods easily.

    (video cap is deep inside Route-66 in the OZ forest (circus).
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    Rte 66 has waist deep water right now where that bridge is, actually flooding over parts of that bridge...
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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    That wall is actually a mistake in execution and it will be rectified with the next trail maintenance day. The trail is called Outback Extension and the trail will likely be reversed so that the wall will become functional. As it stands now the radius is wrong for the current direction.
    We just got a key piece of equipment ( Muck Truck ) to make trail building easier (if that's possible...) and we should be able to fix the trails faster after damage has occurred.
    It seemed very unflowy(is that a word?) the way it was, if you are rerouting in the opposite directions aren't there a series of small drops or something like that just before the wall ride? Will you de revamping that area as well?
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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    Rte 66 has waist deep water right now where that bridge is, actually flooding over parts of that bridge...

    Only solution: we NEED floating bridges!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by RaveOn View Post
    Make sure you do all the expert/pro sections because going to Markham without doing those is pointless (IMO).
    I am very much a beginner, and I was tempted to try a few of the expert sections but there was quite a bit of traffic and I did not want to slow the trail for people behind me with more experience. Maybe next time, those expert trails look Awsome!

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    That Outback Extension wallride isn't too tough to hit you just need the right line. Get up high before entering the turn then roll down it through the apex and you'll come out fine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    That wall is actually a mistake in execution and it will be rectified with the next trail maintenance day. The trail is called Outback Extension and the trail will likely be reversed so that the wall will become functional. As it stands now the radius is wrong for the current direction.
    We just got a key piece of equipment ( Muck Truck ) to make trail building easier (if that's possible...) and we should be able to fix the trails faster after damage has occurred.
    That sounds awesome. What will you guys do with the downhill step section at the end?

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    Quote Originally Posted by saviour machine View Post
    If you were Involved in building Markham park trails please P.M. me I want to re connect with you guys.
    We meet for Trail Maint and building the first Sunday of the Month at the trailhead. 8:30am
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    Quote Originally Posted by JonMX5 View Post
    That Outback Extension wallride isn't too tough to hit you just need the right line. Get up high before entering the turn then roll down it through the apex and you'll come out fine.
    Thanks for the advice, I can use all the help I can get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ds33gt View Post
    It seemed very unflowy(is that a word?) the way it was, if you are rerouting in the opposite directions aren't there a series of small drops or something like that just before the wall ride? Will you de revamping that area as well?
    From what I heard the whole trail will get much needed attention.
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    Quote Originally Posted by JonMX5 View Post
    That sounds awesome. What will you guys do with the downhill step section at the end?
    That will become the new entrance from what I heard, but it's not set in stone....
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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    That will become the new entrance from what I heard, but it's not set in stone....
    That doesn't make sense. They are several steep stairs (normally going down) so I don't see being able to ride up that unless they fill all that in or make ramps. Except for the odd location of the wall ride, I like that whole section the way it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RaveOn View Post
    That doesn't make sense. They are several steep stairs (normally going down) so I don't see being able to ride up that unless they fill all that in or make ramps. Except for the odd location of the wall ride, I like that whole section the way it is.
    From what I gathered that is the plan, fill in the steps, and thus reverse the trail. One dump truck load will take care of it. But like I said, it is not set in stone. The trail was one of my fave's until the wall was built...Actually one of the other trail maintenance guys wanted to drive the dozer over that wall last time we worked there....

    Next trail maintenance day is Sunday the 3rd of June and we need all the help we can get as there is a TON of stuff to do. Vegetation is getting out of hand and in the way of riding... Much depends on how many folks show up to do some work. We meet at 8:30 AM at the trailhead, work gloves recommended as is bug spray.....
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    I have been to Markham 3 times and I love it, I am confused on the total distance of the trails. I usually end up almost 7 miles without Route 66. How many miles is the track?

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    i usually get about 8.5 milles w/o route 66.
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    I have never been to Markham but I'm dying to go. I like to do my homework beforehand so I tried to look at the trail map online to see how the trails connect to each other but I had a really hard time figuring it out. Do the trails flow easily into one another or do you have to piece them together somehow?

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    I had no problem hitting all the trails the first time I was there, flow is great and well marked. Pretty much follow the trail and you will be fine. Going to try to get there again within the next couple weeks.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kaptkaos View Post
    I have been to Markham 3 times and I love it, I am confused on the total distance of the trails. I usually end up almost 7 miles without Route 66. How many miles is the track?
    Without Rte 66 there is almost 9 miles of trail with al the new stuff that was recently added. Hopefully this coming build day (Sunday June 3), we will open Ridge trail that ends up in Fishermans loop which in turn will be reversed. Armadillo will become continuous again as well. Some other repairs will be made as well as much needed trimming of the vegetation..
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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    Without Rte 66 there is almost 9 miles of trail with al the new stuff that was recently added. Hopefully this coming build day (Sunday June 3), we will open Ridge trail that ends up in Fishermans loop which in turn will be reversed. Armadillo will become continuous again as well. Some other repairs will be made as well as much needed trimming of the vegetation..
    How long does trail maintance normally last? Thinking about comming out on Sunday...

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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    Without Rte 66 there is almost 9 miles of trail with al the new stuff that was recently added. Hopefully this coming build day (Sunday June 3), we will open Ridge trail that ends up in Fishermans loop which in turn will be reversed. Armadillo will become continuous again as well. Some other repairs will be made as well as much needed trimming of the vegetation..
    That sounds awesome.

    There's a couple new trail sections I noticed along Armadillo that I haven't quite been able to figure out. Two of the outlets end into the waiting section before Redback. One is behind a picnic table and the other is kind of off to the side on a narrow rock hill. Are these supposed to be entrances or exits? I've seen people ride them both ways. It seems like they should be exits...

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    Quote Originally Posted by toofdoc View Post
    How long does trail maintance normally last? Thinking about comming out on Sunday...
    Usually from about 8:30 till XX:30 or how ever long you like to work or have time for. It really is a great time to work on the trails with other riders and fix stuff that irritates you as well. Things like low hanging branches,overgrown trails, holes in berms and trails, missing boards etc.
    There will be somewhat of a master plan for the most pressing issues, but every volunteer has input in what he/she would like to do or seen done to improve things. You can pick a task that falls within your abilities as well. I.E not everyone can carry 50# buckets of dirt up a hill.. We have a new tool to do that for us now. Sunday is the inaugural day for the Muck Truck!!!
    After the work is done, some of us will have a late lunch/beer at the bar across Markham too.
    Any work you can do will be much appreciated by all, even though sometimes you get comments from a few ( non volunteering) riders asking why we work on Sunday's..

    C U Sunday!
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    Quote Originally Posted by JonMX5 View Post
    That sounds awesome.

    There's a couple new trail sections I noticed along Armadillo that I haven't quite been able to figure out. Two of the outlets end into the waiting section before Redback. One is behind a picnic table and the other is kind of off to the side on a narrow rock hill. Are these supposed to be entrances or exits? I've seen people ride them both ways. It seems like they should be exits...
    The one behind the picnic table is the exit, as the entrance is to the left of where you currently reenter Armadillo. It runs parallel to Armadillo up to that table.
    Ridgeline starts at the Dump across the road on the left of where you exit Armadillo. It is that big gravel hill that leads into Fishermans Loop. It will all make sense when Armadillo gets reconnected and thus uninterrupted the way it used to be.
    Can you come out Sunday too??
    I am asking since there is a lot of stuff that needs to be worked on before the rain really turns the trails into a jungle....
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    I am going to try and head back down again tomorrow hopefully I can cover the entire park this time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bustermin View Post
    I am going to try and head back down again tomorrow hopefully I can cover the entire park this time.
    Cool! You'll be running into some construction and brush clearing as it is trail build day...
    Hopefully you can lend a hand????? Even if for an hour or so..
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    Be glad to lend a hand. See you all there.

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    Thanks to all the folks who helped out! We got a lot done and the new trails are open!!!
    You can now ride all of Armadillo without the cut-off, come out at the top, make a left toward the dump and ride Iguana trail (black diamond!!) down into the now REVERSED Fisherman's Loop and back up the hill parallel to Armadillo. It is pretty easy to find all this as there are signs everywhere...
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    did you guys reverse the outback extension like what was talked about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by reedfe View Post
    did you guys reverse the outback extension like what was talked about?
    No, we never got around to that part of Markham, as Armadillo and Iguana/ Fisherman Loop trails took a lot of work. Also filling in the holes in Bermuda and the Area 51 berm was more work than we expected. A new bridge was constructed in Black Snake /Alligator also, but I don't know if it is open for riding yet.
    We had a few peeps running around with machetes to trim up the place too. A lot of work was done....
    I haven't ridden the trails yet, hopefully tomorrow AM.
    If we have a similar turnout of volunteers next month, we should be able to get to Outback and Gunrange and really get ahead of the maintenance needed.
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    hmm what days do you guys work on the park again. I'll try to make it next time and get some friends down there too now that school's over (3 days!) Work a little then ride a little. It's a win win situation!

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    Trail maintenance is every first Sunday of the month. All help is welcome!
    I feel it really helps riders understand why certain things are done certain ways, when they help out maintaining the trails they ride.
    Sometimes it is a thankless job but keep in mind you do this work for yourself too.
    I rode today and was surprised at the weeds that still need removal. The heat and humidity was pretty bad and must have overwhelmed those guys too.
    The trail flow is amazing and I had a great ride this AM.
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    The repaired berms are awesome! As is the rest of the work you guys did. Thanks!

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    I'm going tomorrow morning and can't wait... I love the berms!

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    I'm diggin the new Iguana Ridge!!!

    The berms are railing and everything is flowing well...

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    I had a great, albeit very sweaty, ride this AM and it really flows well in there. The skeeters are really out in force, even in the parking lot ...
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    Iguana Ridge is awesome! I was too much of a wuss to huck the drop into that berm on my first ride through, but next time. And if I end up in the lake it might be a bonus cool off dip!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    Trail maintenance is every first Sunday of the month. All help is welcome!
    I feel it really helps riders understand why certain things are done certain ways, when they help out maintaining the trails they ride.
    Sometimes it is a thankless job but keep in mind you do this work for yourself too.
    I rode today and was surprised at the weeds that still need removal. The heat and humidity was pretty bad and must have overwhelmed those guys too.
    The trail flow is amazing and I had a great ride this AM.
    Are minors allowed to work on the trails if we have already completed the safety video thing and have our card?

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    Quote Originally Posted by reedfe View Post
    Are minors allowed to work on the trails if we have already completed the safety video thing and have our card?
    I would think so, since we do get high school kids doing community hours that get signed off on by one of two people in charge. If you do community work you could get points for that at Markham...
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    I haven't been here yet but should be getting a chance soon. Just wondering how the trails would be on the Muni?
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    Muni??

    As a general FYI; Rte 66 is OPEN!!
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    You guys are getting me super excited, I've been meaning to come down but I have to borrow friends' bikes and I'm tired of Quiet Waters lol..

    I have a Jamis Parker coming in this week so I'll be there a few days this week and Sunday forsure!

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    Well the trail crew was at it again this past weekend and rebuilt the berm in Gunrange. It was MIA for a while and now it is back.
    The trails are in awesome condition!!
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    Hey Oscar - don't want to thread jack but this isn't worth a post on it's own so I'll ask then be done:
    Let's say a couple of mountain biking dads have some tikes who ride Striders. If we sign the appropriate waivers, would it be ok to take the little guys to the pump track for a few laps? We'd stay out of the way and I doubt they could possibly damage it, I mean each bike and rider combined weighs about what a mountain bike does. But still I'd hate to go and piss someone off.

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    Hi Guys, The park is in awesome condition! I will try to be there for the first sunday of July.
    by the way, can someone name all the trails and the order they should go to do the whole park?
    How long is the park now (distance wise) with the new additions and 66 open?
    Cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pablobaq View Post
    can someone name all the trails and the order they should go to do the whole park?
    How long is the park now (distance wise) with the new additions and 66 open?
    Cheers!
    I posted the trail distance on post #12.

    As for the trail names: (not sure what the order is now things have changed a little)
    1. Warm up loop
    2. Rock garden
    3. Armadillo
    4. Redback
    5. Traverse
    6. Supercross
    7. Outback
    8. Upback
    9. Puma trail
    10. Gunrange (Skelator is in gunrange)
    11. Outback extension
    12. Double cross
    13. Crimescene
    14. Jetski hill
    15. Twisted trail
    16. Lost ring
    17. Grassy knoll
    18. Bermuda triangle
    19. Washing machine
    20. Alligator alley
    21. Big gulp
    22. Black snake
    23. Route 66
    24. Route 66 expert
    25. The cat walk (Circus)
    26. Deep dark forest (originally it was the entrance)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GT5050 View Post
    Hey Oscar - don't want to thread jack but this isn't worth a post on it's own so I'll ask then be done:
    Let's say a couple of mountain biking dads have some tikes who ride Striders. If we sign the appropriate waivers, would it be ok to take the little guys to the pump track for a few laps? We'd stay out of the way and I doubt they could possibly damage it, I mean each bike and rider combined weighs about what a mountain bike does. But still I'd hate to go and piss someone off.
    After you have done the video and the waivers, you are more than welcome to ride around with your kids. The trails are open to anyone, but keep in mind that mad skills are needed on few of them.
    I see a lot of dad's and their kids on the pump track and as long as you stay on the track and don't ride of the sides you're all good to go... Enjoy!!

    This weekend there MAY be some more work going on from what I gathered....
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    Quote Originally Posted by RaveOn View Post
    I posted the trail distance on post #12.

    As for the trail names: (not sure what the order is now things have changed a little)
    1. Warm up loop
    2. Rock garden
    3. Armadillo
      * Iguana Trail into Fishermans loop
    4. Redback
    5. Traverse
      * Area 51 with Pipeline into Las Olas before you go off into Huck You
    6. Supercross
    7. Outback
    8. Upback
    9. Puma trail
    10. Gunrange (Skelator is in gunrange)
    11. Outback extension
    12. Double cross
    13. Crimescene
    14. Jetski hill
    15. Twisted trail
    16. Lost ring
    17. Grassy knoll
    18. Bermuda triangle
    19. Washing machine with the big new Tabletop
    20. Alligator alley
    21. Big gulp
    22. Black snake
    23. Route 66
    24. Route 66 expert
    25. The cat walk (Circus)
    26. Deep dark forest (originally it was the entrance)
    Pretty spot on, but Deep Dark is now part of Rockgarden as they merged these trails into one longer trail. I added a few new trails/names since they are recent additions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    After you have done the video and the waivers, you are more than welcome to ride around with your kids. The trails are open to anyone, but keep in mind that mad skills are needed on few of them.
    I see a lot of dad's and their kids on the pump track and as long as you stay on the track and don't ride of the sides you're all good to go... Enjoy!!

    This weekend there MAY be some more work going on from what I gathered....
    Cool thanks! I ride the park fairly often s I'm familiar and I watched the video when it was first implemented, but I was just looking at the pump track as a cool thing for the kiddos, thanks for clarifying that it would be ok!

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    Just wanted to say I love the new direction and stuff that has been put in. I haven't been there in a long time and rode the trails out to Gunrange, then went back to the pumptrack for a few laps.

    Also, whoever laid out the pumptrack distances of the rollers and jumps did a great job. Most are built to tight and makes them slow and much more work. It's fast and fun, like a BMX rhythm straight. The only things I see that could make it better would be one more roller before the step-up going into the berm (this might have been where you were running the bobcat in and out) and a change of direction line somewhere in the middle. Still, definitly one of the funnest ones if ridden. Great job, can wait to head back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GT5050 View Post
    Iguana Ridge is awesome! I was too much of a wuss to huck the drop into that berm on my first ride through, but next time. And if I end up in the lake it might be a bonus cool off dip!
    that drop into the berm caught me off guard as well...

    I'm trying to get more comfortable riding drops off edges into either flat or angled landings...

    how do you train for drops like that? I've never practiced those because i've only seen drops of that size and nothing in-between to practice on? I know QW has a skills course which seems to have a few drop offs there to practice on, but that is kinda far?

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    Alright so it turns out I'm going to be needing a few hours this summer to become a member of NHS at my high school. Just to review, trail building is the first Sunday of every month, minors can participate, and I can get credit for the hours. Correct? Also do you guys know roughly how long you work each day? And what time do the troops assemble?

    Thanks so much!

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    I rode again today. Markham is SICK!
    Here is my new time and distance according to my computer.
    I did the WHOLE park. didnt skip anything



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    U guys think the distance is accurate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    Pretty spot on, but Deep Dark is now part of Rockgarden as they merged these trails into one longer trail. I added a few new trails/names since they are recent additions.
    Before rock garden and deep dark merged, i remember these was a fun feature in rock garden that had a sharp left, then sharp right into a pretty sharp steep rocky climb. Am i crazy or was this feature taken out of those merged trails? Also, coming out of route 66 expert, what the heck is cat walk? Is that just the exit to the trail head? Sorry but i'm trying to mentally follow the flow of the trail order listed and i got all of it except those. Thanks..

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    Quote Originally Posted by toofdoc View Post
    Before rock garden and deep dark merged, i remember these was a fun feature in rock garden that had a sharp left, then sharp right into a pretty sharp steep rocky climb. Am i crazy or was this feature taken out of those merged trails? Also, coming out of route 66 expert, what the heck is cat walk? Is that just the exit to the trail head? Sorry but i'm trying to mentally follow the flow of the trail order listed and i got all of it except those. Thanks..
    I remember that feature as well, it was a fun section. The way it's laid out now though it still exists, you just go over it in reverse so it's a quick little rocky drop now. And since Rock Garden is longer now, it's later on in the trail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toofdoc View Post
    Before rock garden and deep dark merged, i remember these was a fun feature in rock garden that had a sharp left, then sharp right into a pretty sharp steep rocky climb. Am i crazy or was this feature taken out of those merged trails? Also, coming out of route 66 expert, what the heck is cat walk? Is that just the exit to the trail head? Sorry but i'm trying to mentally follow the flow of the trail order listed and i got all of it except those. Thanks..
    The Cat Walk is 'Land of Oz' and is the long bridge feature in the expert part of 66, just before the steep hill with the rubber mat..66 now exits near where the original entrance used to be before it was moved to the current location near the exit of Black Snake/Alligator.

    Since Rock Garden is reversed when it was merged with DDF the climbs became descents and nothing was left out, it is just in reverse now.

    The flow of the trails is more logical now than let's say 2+ years back when I started riding there. The new little 'connector' trails like Iguana Ridge and Las Olas make for a more intense work out if you want too.
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    Cool, thanks, i thought DDF was reversed. I'm also diggin iguana ridge. Only thing, like mentioned before, that berm on the first drop needs to be higher in order to be huckable (is that a word?) Also, where is las olas?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    The Cat Walk is 'Land of Oz' and is the long bridge feature in the expert part of 66, just before the steep hill with the rubber mat..66 now exits near where the original entrance used to be before it was moved to the current location near the exit of Black Snake/Alligator.

    Since Rock Garden is reversed when it was merged with DDF the climbs became descents and nothing was left out, it is just in reverse now.

    The flow of the trails is more logical now than let's say 2+ years back when I started riding there. The new little 'connector' trails like Iguana Ridge and Las Olas make for a more intense work out if you want too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reedfe View Post
    Alright so it turns out I'm going to be needing a few hours this summer to become a member of NHS at my high school. Just to review, trail building is the first Sunday of every month, minors can participate, and I can get credit for the hours. Correct? Also do you guys know roughly how long you work each day? And what time do the troops assemble?

    Thanks so much!
    You have to register with the county for volunteer work and than you can get your hrs signed of by the guys in charge of the trail build crew. We meet at about 8:30 AM on the first Sunday every month. The hours put in will vary from person to person. Some people stay for a few hours while others stay until their project is finished.
    Some things take more time than others to accomplish depending on how many people show up.
    Best to bring a camelback, snacks and work gloves, long-sleeved shirt(old) pants and work-boots of some type. Bugspray is helpful too..
    After work some of us will meet up at Big Al's sports bar across the street from Markham in that shopping plaza for food and a beer or ice tea if you're a minor...
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    Quote Originally Posted by toofdoc View Post
    Cool, thanks, i thought DDF was reversed. I'm also diggin iguana ridge. Only thing, like mentioned before, that berm on the first drop needs to be higher in order to be huckable (is that a word?) Also, where is las olas?
    I agree with you on that drop/berm thing in Iguana..It leaves me wanting for a better solution too.
    Las Olas is that pump track like trail past Area 51 where you ride on Pipeline. Way past Pipeline you will get to a small wooden feature that you huck off from and normally make sharp right. Instead of making a right you go straight up the hill and you're in Las Olas. LO will drop you 50 feet further on the same trail you left earlier, but just before the 'Huck You' drop in the Eviction area. I hope this didn't confuse you...
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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    I agree with you on that drop/berm thing in Iguana..It leaves me wanting for a better solution too.
    Las Olas is that pump track like trail past Area 51 where you ride on Pipeline. Way past Pipeline you will get to a small wooden feature that you huck off from and normally make sharp right. Instead of making a right you go straight up the hill and you're in Las Olas. LO will drop you 50 feet further on the same trail you left earlier, but just before the 'Huck You' drop in the Eviction area. I hope this didn't confuse you...
    Followed you completely, i have been riding LO and didn't even notice. Thanks buddy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    You have to register with the county for volunteer work and than you can get your hrs signed of by the guys in charge of the trail build crew. We meet at about 8:30 AM on the first Sunday every month. The hours put in will vary from person to person. Some people stay for a few hours while others stay until their project is finished.
    Some things take more time than others to accomplish depending on how many people show up.
    Best to bring a camelback, snacks and work gloves, long-sleeved shirt(old) pants and work-boots of some type. Bugspray is helpful too..
    After work some of us will meet up at Big Al's sports bar across the street from Markham in that shopping plaza for food and a beer or ice tea if you're a minor...
    Is there a number I should contact or just the park number? And just to clarify, are the trails still open for riding that day? I'll be coming from west palm so I hope i can ride too as it is one of my favorite trails in the area

    And lots more trails are being changed/ renamed. Is there possibly an updated map?

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    Try this link for the volunteer form http://www.co.broward.fl.us/Parks/Ge...0enterable.pdf

    And this link for vids on the trails Markham Park Trail Video's

    This for the trail map, however the latest is not on this map as things evolved rather quickly...
    Markham Park Mountain Bike Trails

    The trails are open for riding, although some may be temporary closed for obvious reasons.
    Hope this helped out..
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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    Try this link for the volunteer form http://www.co.broward.fl.us/Parks/Ge...0enterable.pdf

    And this link for vids on the trails Markham Park Trail Video's

    This for the trail map, however the latest is not on this map as things evolved rather quickly...
    Markham Park Mountain Bike Trails

    The trails are open for riding, although some may be temporary closed for obvious reasons.
    Hope this helped out..
    Thanks for the Links.. .I liked the videos
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    Did 12 miles today...pretty dead comparedf to last time I was there. I missed the back sections of Gunrange last time and RT 66 was closed, so did those also liked the reroute of iguna ridge and the otherconnector trail. Loved the boardwalks on Rt 66. Had to life flight a guy out of iguana ridge this afternoon went OTB on the drop and severed his main artery in his leg...OUCH!!!

    I'll be back in Miami for three days at the beg. of July so I plan to do MArkham, Virginia KEy, and Amelia...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ds33gt View Post
    Did 12 miles today...pretty dead comparedf to last time I was there. I missed the back sections of Gunrange last time and RT 66 was closed, so did those also liked the reroute of iguna ridge and the otherconnector trail. Loved the boardwalks on Rt 66. Had to life flight a guy out of iguana ridge this afternoon went OTB on the drop and severed his main artery in his leg...OUCH!!!

    I'll be back in Miami for three days at the beg. of July so I plan to do MArkham, Virginia KEy, and Amelia...
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    Yes, it could happen to anyone, but it seems I always see quite a few folks at MArkham on trails that are above their ability. Last time i was there there were a group of 4 or 5 kids and 2 of them had BMX bikes, and the other 2 had Wal-gooses, didn't seem like a good mix for the trails.
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    Yes, it can happen to anyone, but less likely, as you said, if you ride within your abilities. I cringe sometimes when I pass people on more difficult trails and pray they don't get hurt, especially the kids on BMXs
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    Wow that sucks! An OTB can happen anytime, but that is pretty bad. I hope that guy will be fine. I agree that too many peeps are in over their heads and let their ego's dictate their ride. I always tell folks; "when in doubt, walk it out" .
    Markham is still quite hard even after all the improvements made. Even though I can ride all the trails, I still have days that I will skip a trail or part thereof just because it doesn't feel right. Careful out there folks!!
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    I rode Markham Thursday for the first time in a long time. I primarily road ride, but I like to mix it up and go beat up my 10 yr old mtb (LOL) to have some fun. My skill level is above average and I have no problem hanging with other riders, HOWEVER, my biggest complaint about Markham is the snobs (or I should say groups) that ride all out like they are pro's racing for money. This made the afternoon extremely dangerous because I was riding with a friend that a group of riders forced off the trail to overtake him. He apparently wasnt riding up to their speed so he was forced off the trail, this happened more than once by different groups. I was very close to approaching the guys as they were chatting by gun range, but I wasnt worth it.

    Guys like that make me want to stay on the road and take the risk of 4000 missiles flying by me, I actually feel safer.

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    having never gone to Markham it concerns me to think that other riders don't have the proper trail courtesy as the other parks I've rode at. there is no reason a group of riders or one person should force another rider off the trail just to get past them.thats the way riders with less experience get hurt and trails get closed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlurpeeKing View Post
    I rode Markham Thursday for the first time in a long time. I primarily road ride, but I like to mix it up and go beat up my 10 yr old mtb (LOL) to have some fun. My skill level is above average and I have no problem hanging with other riders, HOWEVER, my biggest complaint about Markham is the snobs (or I should say groups) that ride all out like they are pro's racing for money. This made the afternoon extremely dangerous because I was riding with a friend that a group of riders forced off the trail to overtake him. He apparently wasnt riding up to their speed so he was forced off the trail, this happened more than once by different groups. I was very close to approaching the guys as they were chatting by gun range, but I wasnt worth it.

    Guys like that make me want to stay on the road and take the risk of 4000 missiles flying by me, I actually feel safer.
    I posted about this in another forum and people gave me negative rep for whining, I guess people are allowed to just do whatever the hell they want without reguard for others...

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    Not surprising really, I've seen quite a few that think they are the final lap of world championships, and will blow you off the trails.
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    I am always courteous to other riders and try to stay aware of those coming up behind me but if some knuckleheaded dirt roadie can wait 30 seconds for me to give them the right-away. They will end up in the bush. I'm not clipped in, ride a durable bike, and not afraid to crash. Just show respect for all skill levels.

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    A little courtesy goes a long way to make trail riding a lot more fun and safe for everyone.
    I am not the fastest rider, but I must say that it is annoying to be behind someone who isn't making any attempt to get out of the way when asked.
    I make room for those who want to pass me when it is safe to do so too. I won't pull over just anywhere, but it isn't going to take half the trail either....
    If any rude behavior is experienced, you should find one of the many Patrol guys out there. Thursdays, Friday and the weekend there are at east 4-5 of them riding as well as doing trail work...
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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    I make room for those who want to pass me when it is safe to do so too. I won't pull over just anywhere, but it isn't going to take half the trail either....


    Exactly, keep it courteous, keep it safe.. thats how it should be. I think that's the way its been for me in MKM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlurpeeKing View Post
    I rode Markham Thursday for the first time in a long time. I primarily road ride, but I like to mix it up and go beat up my 10 yr old mtb (LOL) to have some fun. My skill level is above average and I have no problem hanging with other riders, HOWEVER, my biggest complaint about Markham is the snobs (or I should say groups) that ride all out like they are pro's racing for money. This made the afternoon extremely dangerous because I was riding with a friend that a group of riders forced off the trail to overtake him. He apparently wasnt riding up to their speed so he was forced off the trail, this happened more than once by different groups. I was very close to approaching the guys as they were chatting by gun range, but I wasnt worth it.

    Guys like that make me want to stay on the road and take the risk of 4000 missiles flying by me, I actually feel safer.
    that's just south florida for you. People here have the "huck you" mentality...

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