Markham Park Info

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  • 05-17-2012
    Bustermin
    Markham Park Info
    I am planning on heading down to Ft. Lauderdale this weekend and was thinking of trying out the trail at Markham Park. I heard that the trail may be underwater due to the recent rains, is this true? Should I wait for another time to go for my first time, if so is there another park nearby I can hit while I'm down there? Thanks
  • 05-17-2012
    DansDaMan561
    Markham is a awesome trail, you will have a blast. If it is your first time you need to take a 15 mins safety class at the front office. Its just a video. If you are concerned about the conditions of the trail you can call the front office for the trail conditions. Here is the info....

    Markham Park & Target Range
    16001 W. State Rd. 84, Sunrise, FL 33326
    Office: 954-357-8868
    Fax: 954-357-8869
    E-mail: MarkhamPark@broward.org

    Have fun riding!!!!!
  • 05-17-2012
    RaveOn
    Not underwater. Several water/mud spots, possibly. The only area that get really wet/muddy is Route 66 (advanced). Markham holds up really well all season. Make sure you do all the expert/pro sections because going to Markham without doing those is pointless (IMO).

    FYI; chance of rain for the next several days down there is about 50%.
  • 05-17-2012
    Bustermin
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by DansDaMan561 View Post
    Markham is a awesome trail, you will have a blast. If it is your first time you need to take a 15 mins safety class at the front office. Its just a video. If you are concerned about the conditions of the trail you can call the front office for the trail conditions. Here is the info....

    Markham Park & Target Range
    16001 W. State Rd. 84, Sunrise, FL 33326
    Office: 954-357-8868
    Fax: 954-357-8869
    E-mail: MarkhamPark@broward.org

    Have fun riding!!!!!

    Thanks for the great information. Can't wait to hit it this weekend! Thanks again everyone!
  • 05-17-2012
    BarryGXNZ
    Go early to miss the late afternoon thunder(lightning) storms - we seem to be in the season early this year.

    Cheers
    Barry
  • 05-17-2012
    OscarW
    Early AM is best in as far as the weather goes. There are a few spots of mud and the volunteers are aware of them so maybe this weekend some work will get done...
    Bermuda trail has a deep hole in a twisty section shortly after the wooden bridge.
    Rte 66 is more than likely flooded as it is the lowest spot in Markham. Outback trail has a few puddles too and the rest of the trails are pretty dry. It is rainy season so we'll just have to deal with some mud in spots. Just be careful on the wooden bridges and log overs as they get slippery.Enjoy the ride(s) :D
  • 05-17-2012
    ds33gt
    Planning on making the trip from Naples to hit Markham this weekend. I'll shoot you a PM bustermin.

    Anyone else want to join a group of first time Markham riders. Can't wait to hit the expert trails. My FSR is still waiting on parts so I will be aboard the EVO HT!!
  • 05-20-2012
    Bustermin
    Ok, just got back from Markham Park, I was great I think the water actually made it more fun. It was a little confusing for my first time I somehow did a couple of the trails twice and somehow kept ending up at the area near the warmup section where they are building the rhythm sections. But all in all it was Awsome I expect it will get better as I learn the trails. Thanks for all the input from everyone.

    Sorry DS33gt I didn't see you message until just now, maybe we can hook up next time. Thanks again everyone. Already looking forward to going again.

    Just out of curiosity, is Oleta a better trail? I'm sure it is a personal like or dislike but I've never been there either and was considering that too.
  • 05-20-2012
    JonMX5
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bustermin View Post
    Just out of curiosity, is Oleta a better trail?

    I wouldn't call it better or worse, just different. I like it because it's the longest trail system around so you can go on a really long ride without having to repeat anything. One complete lap there is probably equal to 3 or 4 at Markham. There's a few trails that are difficult enough to get the adrenaline going but they aren't quite as big or technical as most of what Markham has.The downside is it's super rooty and will get frustrating if you don't have FS or big wheels. I probably like as much as Markham but just for different reasons.

    Amelia is really good too.
  • 05-20-2012
    RaveOn
    I agree with what Jon said about Oleta except for.."One complete lap there is probably equal to 3 or 4 at Markham." Oleta is only 5 miles longer than Markham (+/-). I would ride Markham every day if it was close by!

    The best part (and longest loop) of Oleta is Gilligan's Island. You can easily miss this whole section so it would be wise to follow a local or GPS it (TIP: look for a sign after "stairway to heaven" - turn left). While I really like the roots at Oleta, the 3" round rocks (coral) sitting in the middle of a line can get a little old. Any scratches or dings that are on my rims are all from Oleta.

    BTW: If you cleared 100% of Markham, good job. You are good to go on any other trail in the state.
  • 05-21-2012
    JonMX5
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RaveOn View Post
    I agree with what Jon said about Oleta except for.."One complete lap there is probably equal to 3 or 4 at Markham." Oleta is only 5 miles longer than Markham (+/-). I would ride Markham every day if it was close by!

    The best part (and longest loop) of Oleta is Gilligan's Island. You can easily miss this whole section so it would be wise to follow a local or GPS it (TIP: look for a sign after "stairway to heaven" - turn left). While I really like the roots at Oleta, the 3" round rocks (coral) sitting in the middle of a line can get a little old. Any scratches or dings that are on my rims are all from Oleta.

    BTW: If you cleared 100% of Markham, good job. You are good to go on any other trail in the state.

    Hmm, I use EndoMondo on my phone to track my riding so it must get thrown off in the woods are Markham. I did three laps yesterday and it gave me a distance of a little over 13 miles. Oleta is about 15 or 16 right?

    You can also get trail maps of Oleta at the entrance. They're not super high resolution but they work well enough to help you get around.
  • 05-21-2012
    RaveOn
    Using a smartphone (GPS) is not accurate enough when compared to a bike computer. They are best for open and straight type rides. Once you throw in some very tight turns it can't refresh enough so it measures zig-zags instead of curves. Once you get in (canopy) dense areas like "Big Gulp" it averages lines. Only accurate way to measure with smartphone is with a ANT+ device.

    I only use my iPhone for general mapping.

    Markham is around 8.65 miles.
  • 05-22-2012
    OscarW
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bustermin View Post
    Ok, just got back from Markham Park, I was great I think the water actually made it more fun. It was a little confusing for my first time I somehow did a couple of the trails twice and somehow kept ending up at the area near the warmup section where they are building the rhythm sections. But all in all it was Awsome I expect it will get better as I learn the trails. Thanks for all the input from everyone.

    Sorry DS33gt I didn't see you message until just now, maybe we can hook up next time. Thanks again everyone. Already looking forward to going again.

    Just out of curiosity, is Oleta a better trail? I'm sure it is a personal like or dislike but I've never been there either and was considering that too.

    Glad you enjoyed Markham.:thumbsup: It takes a bit of riding to get the feel for the whole thing but it is worth it. Many more good things are on the way into the park too btw...:D
  • 05-22-2012
    ds33gt
    I did right around 12 miles, hit just about everything did the loop that includes high point 4 times, that was fun. Can't wait to get back down there.

    I have a business meeting in Orlando late June, want to hit up alafia, palm boyette, and santos. I want to do two of the three, what are the best two?
  • 05-22-2012
    robpad
    Do Not skip Santos !!!' it's awsome.
  • 05-23-2012
    MysticKJ
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RaveOn View Post
    The best part (and longest loop) of Oleta is Gilligan's Island. You can easily miss this whole section so it would be wise to follow a local or GPS it (TIP: look for a sign after "stairway to heaven" - turn left). While I really like the roots at Oleta, the 3" round rocks (coral) sitting in the middle of a line can get a little old. Any scratches or dings that are on my rims are all from Oleta.

    BTW: If you cleared 100% of Markham, good job. You are good to go on any other trail in the state.

    being able to clear Markham means you should be able to ride anything in Florida? I haven't been on rides outside of South Florida much, so i'm not disputing you; just asking is Markham really that good of a measuring stick compared to the rest of Florida?
  • 05-23-2012
    OscarW
    Being able to do 100% of Markham does prepare you for just about anything, however trail knowledge in any trail system will make you a better rider there. All trails can take some time to learn how to ride well. Markham is the hardest in South Florida for sure, but Alafia and Santos have tough parts that can kick anyones butt no matter how well they ride Markham..
  • 05-23-2012
    RaveOn
    Markham contains a little of everything the state has to offer, but in a condensed little package. There are trails that have bigger gaps, jumps, climbs or stairs...but I can't think of any that have all that in one package and fits on a keychain.

    BTW: What trail has an 8FT wall ride? ;) (even though it has a terrible run up)
  • 05-23-2012
    ds33gt
    Can't wwait to get back there with the FS bike. Some awesome man made features there, that one wall ride that turns hard to the right, really caught me by surprise, I had no momentum going into it.... not too good with the trail names, I think it was by washing machine???
  • 05-23-2012
    saviour machine
    Markham park was the first trail I've rode 19 years ago! So damn awesome. I was part of the trail crew that built most of the trails back in the day.
  • 05-23-2012
    saviour machine
    If you were Involved in building Markham park trails please P.M. me I want to re connect with you guys.
  • 05-24-2012
    RaveOn
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    Originally Posted by ds33gt View Post
    that one wall ride that turns hard to the right, really caught me by surprise, I had no momentum going into it...

    Yep. Happened to me first time also. I'm sure the intent of the wall ride was to give momentum for the tricky climb right after it. However, that 180-degree turn has always been a slow turn because of the approach.

    (picture is a video frame capture)
  • 05-24-2012
    Bustermin
    Somehow I missed that! Now I have to go back! Lol
  • 05-24-2012
    ds33gt
    That is it, totally caught me off gaurd!! Very cool feature. The only other areas I need to explore are route 66(closed) and I either missed the top/loop section of gun range or it was closed. I was on a small section for a little while but then came back out to the gun range trail head. I know Iissec it because I didn't have the oppurtunity to ride skeletor.
  • 05-24-2012
    OscarW
    That wall is actually a mistake in execution and it will be rectified with the next trail maintenance day. The trail is called Outback Extension and the trail will likely be reversed so that the wall will become functional. As it stands now the radius is wrong for the current direction.
    We just got a key piece of equipment ( Muck Truck :thumbsup:) to make trail building easier (if that's possible...:lol:) and we should be able to fix the trails faster after damage has occurred.
  • 05-24-2012
    RaveOn
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    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bustermin View Post
    Somehow I missed that! Now I have to go back! Lol

    This is why I said the following on my original post..
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RaveOn
    Make sure you do all the expert/pro sections because going to Markham without doing those is pointless (IMO).

    Everytime I'm there I see many bypass many of the best features.
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ds33gt View Post
    The only other areas I need to explore are route 66(closed0

    Route-66 needs to be closed after heavy rains because its low land and floods easily.

    (video cap is deep inside Route-66 in the OZ forest (circus).
  • 05-24-2012
    OscarW
    Rte 66 has waist deep water right now where that bridge is, actually flooding over parts of that bridge...:eek:
  • 05-24-2012
    ds33gt
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    That wall is actually a mistake in execution and it will be rectified with the next trail maintenance day. The trail is called Outback Extension and the trail will likely be reversed so that the wall will become functional. As it stands now the radius is wrong for the current direction.
    We just got a key piece of equipment ( Muck Truck :thumbsup:) to make trail building easier (if that's possible...:lol:) and we should be able to fix the trails faster after damage has occurred.

    It seemed very unflowy(is that a word?) the way it was, if you are rerouting in the opposite directions aren't there a series of small drops or something like that just before the wall ride? Will you de revamping that area as well?
  • 05-24-2012
    ds33gt
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    Rte 66 has waist deep water right now where that bridge is, actually flooding over parts of that bridge...:eek:


    Only solution: we NEED floating bridges!!!!:thumbsup::thumbsup::thumbsup:
  • 05-24-2012
    Bustermin
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RaveOn View Post
    Make sure you do all the expert/pro sections because going to Markham without doing those is pointless (IMO).

    I am very much a beginner, and I was tempted to try a few of the expert sections but there was quite a bit of traffic and I did not want to slow the trail for people behind me with more experience. Maybe next time, those expert trails look Awsome!
  • 05-24-2012
    JonMX5
    That Outback Extension wallride isn't too tough to hit you just need the right line. Get up high before entering the turn then roll down it through the apex and you'll come out fine.
  • 05-24-2012
    JonMX5
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    That wall is actually a mistake in execution and it will be rectified with the next trail maintenance day. The trail is called Outback Extension and the trail will likely be reversed so that the wall will become functional. As it stands now the radius is wrong for the current direction.
    We just got a key piece of equipment ( Muck Truck :thumbsup:) to make trail building easier (if that's possible...:lol:) and we should be able to fix the trails faster after damage has occurred.

    That sounds awesome. What will you guys do with the downhill step section at the end?
  • 05-24-2012
    MHodges
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by saviour machine View Post
    If you were Involved in building Markham park trails please P.M. me I want to re connect with you guys.

    We meet for Trail Maint and building the first Sunday of the Month at the trailhead. 8:30am
    Stop by and join us! :thumbsup:
  • 05-25-2012
    Bustermin
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JonMX5 View Post
    That Outback Extension wallride isn't too tough to hit you just need the right line. Get up high before entering the turn then roll down it through the apex and you'll come out fine.

    Thanks for the advice, I can use all the help I can get.
  • 05-25-2012
    OscarW
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by ds33gt View Post
    It seemed very unflowy(is that a word?) the way it was, if you are rerouting in the opposite directions aren't there a series of small drops or something like that just before the wall ride? Will you de revamping that area as well?

    From what I heard the whole trail will get much needed attention.
  • 05-25-2012
    OscarW
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JonMX5 View Post
    That sounds awesome. What will you guys do with the downhill step section at the end?

    That will become the new entrance from what I heard, but it's not set in stone....:D
  • 05-25-2012
    RaveOn
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    That will become the new entrance from what I heard, but it's not set in stone....:D

    That doesn't make sense. They are several steep stairs (normally going down) so I don't see being able to ride up that unless they fill all that in or make ramps. Except for the odd location of the wall ride, I like that whole section the way it is.
  • 05-26-2012
    OscarW
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by RaveOn View Post
    That doesn't make sense. They are several steep stairs (normally going down) so I don't see being able to ride up that unless they fill all that in or make ramps. Except for the odd location of the wall ride, I like that whole section the way it is.

    From what I gathered that is the plan, fill in the steps, and thus reverse the trail. One dump truck load will take care of it. But like I said, it is not set in stone. The trail was one of my fave's until the wall was built...Actually one of the other trail maintenance guys wanted to drive the dozer over that wall last time we worked there....:D

    Next trail maintenance day is Sunday the 3rd of June and we need all the help we can get as there is a TON of stuff to do. Vegetation is getting out of hand and in the way of riding...:madman: Much depends on how many folks show up to do some work. We meet at 8:30 AM at the trailhead, work gloves recommended as is bug spray.....:devil:
  • 05-26-2012
    YM4
    I miss Markham
  • 05-30-2012
    Kaptkaos
    I have been to Markham 3 times and I love it, I am confused on the total distance of the trails. I usually end up almost 7 miles without Route 66. How many miles is the track?
  • 05-30-2012
    Red_Ant
    i usually get about 8.5 milles w/o route 66.
  • 05-30-2012
    JJIV
    I have never been to Markham but I'm dying to go. I like to do my homework beforehand so I tried to look at the trail map online to see how the trails connect to each other but I had a really hard time figuring it out. Do the trails flow easily into one another or do you have to piece them together somehow?
  • 05-30-2012
    ds33gt
    I had no problem hitting all the trails the first time I was there, flow is great and well marked. Pretty much follow the trail and you will be fine. Going to try to get there again within the next couple weeks.
  • 05-30-2012
    OscarW
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Kaptkaos View Post
    I have been to Markham 3 times and I love it, I am confused on the total distance of the trails. I usually end up almost 7 miles without Route 66. How many miles is the track?

    Without Rte 66 there is almost 9 miles of trail with al the new stuff that was recently added. Hopefully this coming build day (Sunday June 3), we will open Ridge trail that ends up in Fishermans loop which in turn will be reversed. Armadillo will become continuous again as well. Some other repairs will be made as well as much needed trimming of the vegetation..
  • 05-30-2012
    toofdoc
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    Without Rte 66 there is almost 9 miles of trail with al the new stuff that was recently added. Hopefully this coming build day (Sunday June 3), we will open Ridge trail that ends up in Fishermans loop which in turn will be reversed. Armadillo will become continuous again as well. Some other repairs will be made as well as much needed trimming of the vegetation..

    How long does trail maintance normally last? Thinking about comming out on Sunday...
  • 05-30-2012
    JonMX5
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    Without Rte 66 there is almost 9 miles of trail with al the new stuff that was recently added. Hopefully this coming build day (Sunday June 3), we will open Ridge trail that ends up in Fishermans loop which in turn will be reversed. Armadillo will become continuous again as well. Some other repairs will be made as well as much needed trimming of the vegetation..

    That sounds awesome.

    There's a couple new trail sections I noticed along Armadillo that I haven't quite been able to figure out. Two of the outlets end into the waiting section before Redback. One is behind a picnic table and the other is kind of off to the side on a narrow rock hill. Are these supposed to be entrances or exits? I've seen people ride them both ways. It seems like they should be exits...
  • 05-31-2012
    OscarW
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by toofdoc View Post
    How long does trail maintance normally last? Thinking about comming out on Sunday...

    Usually from about 8:30 till XX:30 or how ever long you like to work or have time for. It really is a great time to work on the trails with other riders and fix stuff that irritates you as well. Things like low hanging branches,overgrown trails, holes in berms and trails, missing boards etc.
    There will be somewhat of a master plan for the most pressing issues, but every volunteer has input in what he/she would like to do or seen done to improve things. You can pick a task that falls within your abilities as well. I.E not everyone can carry 50# buckets of dirt up a hill.. We have a new tool to do that for us now. Sunday is the inaugural day for the Muck Truck!!! :thumbsup:
    After the work is done, some of us will have a late lunch/beer at the bar across Markham too.:D
    Any work you can do will be much appreciated by all, even though sometimes you get comments from a few ( non volunteering) riders asking why we work on Sunday's..:rolleyes: :out:

    C U Sunday!
  • 05-31-2012
    OscarW
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by JonMX5 View Post
    That sounds awesome.

    There's a couple new trail sections I noticed along Armadillo that I haven't quite been able to figure out. Two of the outlets end into the waiting section before Redback. One is behind a picnic table and the other is kind of off to the side on a narrow rock hill. Are these supposed to be entrances or exits? I've seen people ride them both ways. It seems like they should be exits...

    The one behind the picnic table is the exit, as the entrance is to the left of where you currently reenter Armadillo. It runs parallel to Armadillo up to that table.
    Ridgeline starts at the Dump across the road on the left of where you exit Armadillo. It is that big gravel hill that leads into Fishermans Loop. It will all make sense when Armadillo gets reconnected and thus uninterrupted the way it used to be.
    Can you come out Sunday too??
    I am asking since there is a lot of stuff that needs to be worked on before the rain really turns the trails into a jungle....:eekster:
  • 06-02-2012
    Bustermin
    I am going to try and head back down again tomorrow hopefully I can cover the entire park this time.
  • 06-02-2012
    OscarW
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bustermin View Post
    I am going to try and head back down again tomorrow hopefully I can cover the entire park this time.

    Cool! You'll be running into some construction and brush clearing as it is trail build day...
    Hopefully you can lend a hand????? Even if for an hour or so.. ;) :D