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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    That depends on how much we need to get done and how fast that happens but generally around 4 to 6 hours, although some of us stay until the job is done....
    Even if you put an hour or 2,3 in, that is fine too and much appreciated, as it isn't a chain-gang we're running here,,
    Although some days I wish....
    Sounds good Oscar.
    In case volunteers arrive later, is there a way to join up ?

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    Sounds good Oscar.
    In case volunteers arrive later, is there a way to join up ?
    Just go in and ride around until you find a work party and pitch in if you like. Some volunteers ride their bikes for an early lap and than help out. You can leave your bike close to where the work is being done so you don't have to worry about your bike.
    We may ask a few peeps to do some "less important" things like pick up trash from the trails..Some folks seem to think that this isn't part of TM but in reality, a little bit of trash becomes more trash. On Monday, I ran the ATV around to empty the garbage cans and yesterday I also filled in a hole, just to illustrate what is going on work wise...


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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    Just go in and ride around until you find a work party and pitch in if you like. Some volunteers ride their bikes for an early lap and than help out. You can leave your bike close to where the work is being done so you don't have to worry about your bike.
    We may ask a few peeps to do some "less important" things like pick up trash from the trails..Some folks seem to think that this isn't part of TM but in reality, a little bit of trash becomes more trash. On Monday, I ran the ATV around to empty the garbage cans and yesterday I also filled in a hole, just to illustrate what is going on work wise...


    Hope to see you Sunday.
    Perfect, I will see you then.
    A clean trail is definitely something I appreciate/enjoy !

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    Good job!

    Thank you all for coming out and volunteering today . A lot of things were done and it will make the trails even better than they are!!
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    You guys are amazing. I was out there for about two hours and you guys were going for the entire day. Looking forward to the next maintenance day.

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    Richard, Jeff and I didn't leave until 3PM while most peeps were done around 1 PM......As you may have heard Richard and I are the ones who built 99% of Outback Extension, all 6 berms in Armadillo etc...
    We have been told by many to take a break and I am for now....Thanks for coming out and lending a hand. How much time you spend there on TM is not as important as just showing up and do what you can. Every little bit helps a lot!
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    just wondering what psi everyone is running at markham park on 26er bikes and the rider is around 205... I run high 20's front and rear, just wondering if im pushing my luck with pinch flats?
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    On tubeless that is cutting it close anywhere really. I ride tubeless in the high 20's as I am 210# myself. With tubes I would consider around 30 psi as a minimum. It is a fine line between grip, speed and a pinch flat..I run the rear tire at a higher pressure than the front for the speed/grip factor. If you ride the right lines and avoid impacts from roots and rocks by riding 'light' and lifting the wheels up and over these obstacles you should be fine, relatively speaking.
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    There is some trail building going on this weekend, but it should not affect any trails. We are adding about a 1/4 mile of trail to Black Snake and are creating a nice bypass to the wood features after Pipeline. The 2 existing wood bridges after Pipeline are going to get removed later on. We are also going to pick up as many potato's from the Air Potato plants as they are a threat to the existing vegetation.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    There is some trail building going on this weekend, but it should not affect any trails. We are adding about a 1/4 mile of trail to Black Snake and are creating a nice bypass to the wood features after Pipeline. The 2 existing wood bridges after Pipeline are going to get removed later on. We are also going to pick up as many potato's from the Air Potato plants as they are a threat to the existing vegetation.

    good job guys...wish I still lived there I would help you guys out, I should be back down there to live in about 11months cant wait.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    On tubeless that is cutting it close anywhere really. I ride tubeless in the high 20's as I am 210# myself. With tubes I would consider around 30 psi as a minimum. It is a fine line between grip, speed and a pinch flat..I run the rear tire at a higher pressure than the front for the speed/grip factor. If you ride the right lines and avoid impacts from roots and rocks by riding 'light' and lifting the wheels up and over these obstacles you should be fine, relatively speaking.
    I rarely get flats I was just wondering what everyone rides at, I feel my front tire grips really good at like 28psi with tubes. anything higher i feel it sliding out around turns
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    Quote Originally Posted by 11trk4300 View Post
    good job guys...wish I still lived there I would help you guys out, I should be back down there to live in about 11months cant wait.
    Thanks..
    We ended up not being able to work on the second bypass after Pipeline because the new trail in Black Snake took longer than expected. The new addition is 2/10th of a mile long and is a nice challenging ride. It is not open yet pending county approval which could come as early as next week...
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    Quote Originally Posted by 11trk4300 View Post
    I rarely get flats I was just wondering what everyone rides at, I feel my front tire grips really good at like 28psi with tubes. anything higher i feel it sliding out around turns
    TP depends on body weight, riding style and trail conditions. In general terms you can ride with a lower pressure in the front vs the rear tire and a more knobby front that rear tire as well. The front needs to be grippier than the rear and a lower pressure in combination with a more aggressive tread can do that. I ride 23-25 PSI front and 28-30 in the back and am 210 # and ride on a HighRoller front and CrossMark rear. YMMV..
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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    TP depends on body weight, riding style and trail conditions. In general terms you can ride with a lower pressure in the front vs the rear tire and a more knobby front that rear tire as well. The front needs to be grippier than the rear and a lower pressure in combination with a more aggressive tread can do that. I ride 23-25 PSI front and 28-30 in the back and am 210 # and ride on a HighRoller front and CrossMark rear. YMMV..
    I run the same exact tire setup as you do... Are you tubless?
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    Yes I am running tubeless too.
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    This weekend we opened up a new section in Alligator Alley and it is an amazing extension to the Black Snake section which is now almost a 1/4 mile longer...
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    I'll be there tomorrow... Lookin forward to trying it out!

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    OscarW do you guys work on the trail every weekend. Or whats the schedule? I may be interested in helping you guys out.

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    Hi SFB, We actually schedule the first Sunday of every month as the official trail maintenance day.
    However there has been extra curricular work done outside that day as some of us are used to working a certain way and get things done faster.
    This is not meant as a negative toward the volunteers, but a few of us have done 3 major trail rebuilds in short order while nobody wanted to help with that until it was almost all done.....

    The new addition in Alligator Alley was done with the help of Alex Pro bike shop as all his sponsored racers have to put in time at Markham.
    This is why the new section was done so quickly after a few peeps had laid out the new trail as there were about 20 volunteers last week Sunday.

    Sunday Feb 3 is the next trail maintenance day and we sure can use some peeps to help clean up the place too.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    Sunday Feb 3 is the next trail maintenance day and we sure can use some peeps to help clean up the place too.
    I would be there if I could, but it seems you always schedule TM on a day I'm busy. . But seriously, I'll try to make it for the next one. That weekend is when I'm going to Santos

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    I always say if you can't make the maintenance for what ever reason. The "Donation" button can be just as helpful.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reedfe View Post
    I would be there if I could, but it seems you always schedule TM on a day I'm busy. . But seriously, I'll try to make it for the next one. That weekend is when I'm going to Santos
    No problem! There is always a new time and this coming TM day I am working and won't make it either...
    I wish I was going to Santos too as it is one of my favorite trails to ride.
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    Not to derail the current thread about trail maintenance or tire inflation numbers but a re-ocurring issue keeps happening and needs to be addressed openly and since more people seem to check in here, i figured I'd post it here. First, let me start by saying this is my first post however I have been riding for several years and visit this forum frequently,I Just don't comment much but enjoy the experience of all who post.. I feel it's unfortunate that I have to go into detail about the issue but if I don't someone is going to get hurt.

    Last week I was riding, as I do every Mon, Wed., Fri. not once but twice, was nearly hit by bikers coming off of two different trails, specifically the exit of the warm up loop right across from the warm up area in the front and the long trail exit coming out from route 66 where it exits at the big palm tree with the picnic table adjecent to the entrance of rock garden.

    I hate to label anyone but these 3 guys were in typical road bike atire, riding wheel to wheel and exiting at least 20-25 mph into the open riding area that all of us traverse going to whichever trail we choose. For whatever reason they feel they need to exit a trail into an open area where other riders are staging, resting or riding slowly, at that speed is obsurd to say the least. We all know how horific the injuries are of the road bike riders on the road with motor vehicle crashes but think for a moment of hitting someone broadside coming off a trail that fast on a bike. The injuries could be just as bad, especially if it's a kid. It's just a matter of time before it happens and there is really no reason for it. Mountain biking has not ever been about speed and riding wheel to wheel
    (unless its a mountain bike race) as fast as you can go against time, it's more technical riding and building endurance. It has only happened now that the road bike riders are now riding mountain bikes and trying to bring the road ride to the trails which is only going to hurt someone and themselves.

    Another issue is that from what I know as a rider approaching a slower rider that you intend to pass, is a verbal notification of your intentions and give the person a chance to move over. Again, the racers feel that if you don't stop.....litterly on the trail..... and let them pass so they can keep their pace, you are intentionally trying to hold them up. I can tell you that I am not stopping on a trail a foot in width with a 10-20 foot drop on both sides simply because it would be disasterous for all involved. Again common sense is key here and I know some might feel a little cocky with the new bikes that they got for christmas but if you've seen some of the injuries that people are removed from the park with, you would think twice about your riding habits, trust me.

    I like to ride agressively where I can and am not implying that anyone should not do the same, but others are noticing and commenting on way some of these riders are getting out of hand and making it dangerous for everyone when someone is going slower in front of them or when exiting a trail. Just use common sense. If not when you leave the park after riding, drive across SR 84 at the entrance to markham without stopping and see what happens. Why would you do the same on the trails.

    I really don't think Oscar needs to put a stop sign at every intersection of trail exits. A little common sense goes a long way.

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    Hi Scottspark, Welcome to the thread and I must say you make valid points in regard to the disregard some riders have toward others.

    Common sense should prevail and that is a big problem as so many peeps seem to have so little. I will bring your concerns to the group of trail builders and see what and If there is something that can be done. I see it happen to me too and fortunately I can yell at them with impunity...

    Just yesterday I tried to do the right thing by letting another rider know I was behind him and he didn't need to move out of the way as we were near the exit of Warm-up loop anyway. Unfortunately he did move over and fell in some brush, I felt bad but at the same time I guess he got nervous despite my best efforts to calmly tell him he was fine riding at his speed...Sometimes you just can't help it...

    As an aside, I ride in roadie gear too btw..... It is more comfortable and has less tendency to get stuck on your seat or handlebars when moving around on your bike....
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    Quote Originally Posted by scottspark29 View Post
    Last week I was riding, as I do every Mon, Wed., Fri. not once but twice, was nearly hit by bikers coming off of two different trails, specifically the exit of the warm up loop right across from the warm up area in the front and the long trail exit coming out from route 66 where it exits at the big palm tree with the picnic table adjecent to the entrance of rock garden.

    I hate to label anyone but these 3 guys were in typical road bike atire, riding wheel to wheel and exiting at least 20-25 mph into the open riding area that all of us traverse going to whichever trail we choose. For whatever reason they feel they need to exit a trail into an open area where other riders are staging, resting or riding slowly, at that speed is obsurd to say the least. We all know how horific the injuries are of the road bike riders on the road with motor vehicle crashes but think for a moment of hitting someone broadside coming off a trail that fast on a bike. The injuries could be just as bad, especially if it's a kid. It's just a matter of time before it happens and there is really no reason for it. Mountain biking has not ever been about speed and riding wheel to wheel
    (unless its a mountain bike race) as fast as you can go against time, it's more technical riding and building endurance. It has only happened now that the road bike riders are now riding mountain bikes and trying to bring the road ride to the trails which is only going to hurt someone and themselves.

    Another issue is that from what I know as a rider approaching a slower rider that you intend to pass, is a verbal notification of your intentions and give the person a chance to move over. Again, the racers feel that if you don't stop.....litterly on the trail..... and let them pass so they can keep their pace, you are intentionally trying to hold them up. I can tell you that I am not stopping on a trail a foot in width with a 10-20 foot drop on both sides simply because it would be disasterous for all involved. Again common sense is key here and I know some might feel a little cocky with the new bikes that they got for christmas but if you've seen some of the injuries that people are removed from the park with, you would think twice about your riding habits, trust me.

    I like to ride agressively where I can and am not implying that anyone should not do the same, but others are noticing and commenting on way some of these riders are getting out of hand and making it dangerous for everyone when someone is going slower in front of them or when exiting a trail. Just use common sense. If not when you leave the park after riding, drive across SR 84 at the entrance to markham without stopping and see what happens. Why would you do the same on the trails.

    I really don't think Oscar needs to put a stop sign at every intersection of trail exits. A little common sense goes a long way.
    "STRAVA!" . But seriously, some people just don't think like the rest of us in terms of concern for others.

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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead!

    This coming Sunday it is TM day at Markham and since the trails are in great shape and only need a few minor tweaks, the focus will be on garbage removal and air potato removal too. The latter is important as these invasive strangler vines will kill off out shade if left alone...
    It is also Superbowl Sunday and the clan will be done by noon. If you want to lend a hand, just meet up at the trailhead at 8:30 AM on Sunday....
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    Tomorrow I will be helping out a fellow trail builder building a new feature that will go into an all new skills area near the pump track. If time permits he and I will also add about 150 ft of trail in the Alligator Alley area in the "one more time" section.. We spotted this possibility this AM and can do this build in about 2 hours. I am excited as Sunday I won't make TM day but can do a quickie trail addition to a very exciting area that will see some major work in March if the stars are all aligned.... Stay tuned...
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    Might be in the market for some new wheels 26", I want light but still strong enough to take a jump or drop. Nothing crazy just what markham not the free ride section and central and south Florida have to offer. I weight anywhere from 200-210 and I have the stock dt Swiss 420s. What Easton, mavic I don't know wheels really so I need help.
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    I have Mavic's and after 4500 miles in Markham I can say I'd buy them again.. Being 200# myself they have held up very well...
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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    I have Mavic's and after 4500 miles in Markham I can say I'd buy them again.. Being 200# myself they have held up very well...
    will look into that company right now actually any certain model I should look at more then others..or just look at them all and find my style and $$ range rim.
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    I use the Crossmax SLR's. They are $$$ but deals can be had, specially on last years models.
    The new ones have a 4 pawl engagement in the rear hub and that is about it for new vs old.
    Go with what best fits your riding style and wallet...
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    Check this site and look up Hope wheelsets. You get some options in rims for about $400 bucks shipped. Hope makes great stuff and the hubs convert to any wheel. You can even get the strait pull for a few dollars more.

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    Quote Originally Posted by OffCamber View Post
    Cycle | Run | Swim | Wiggle Tri-Sports & Bike Shop

    Check this site and look up Hope wheelsets. You get some options in rims for about $400 bucks shipped. Hope makes great stuff and the hubs convert to any wheel. You can even get the strait pull for a few dollars more.
    Ok thanks everyone
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    The trail is in awesome condition guys. My one peeve is the big climb in gunrange with the horrible traction at the top. I get to the top, but flop the transition down. I wasn't riding much in the past after a big crash 1.5 years ago after (nasty drop in OBX). I rode here and there but my heart wasn't it (the nerves sure were). I recently started to get back into the sport and a new bike plus the condition of the trails has seen my passion return. I really want to get out there and help with trail repair. I did a few in the past (not as much as I should since I live right across the st). I rode oleta on Sat. and the trail conditions are horrible and poorly marked. makes me really appreciate Markham and wanting to help out.

    I think some no skidding signs are needed as well. I don't know if it will stop skidders, but it could help raise awareness.

    I'll be at the next TM, please let me know if there is anything between then.
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    Thanks man! Take your time getting back in the sport. Many things have improved and we are striving to keep the park tough but safe like the new OBX...
    I didn't ride Gunrange this AM, but I understand some work was done there yesterday. I was at work and couldn't make TM day. Over the past 6 months a lot of work has been done and more is on the way. The no skidding sign is a good idea, but since most peeps don't read or see signs anyway I doubt it will work. We are thinking of putting some free riding clinics together for the noobs and braking would be one topic.
    We always do TM on the first Sunday of every month and some "stealth" work is done somewhat out of the public eye by the TM core crew. We do post up on FB as well.
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    I have been riding markham for many years and I ask that you take my comments as constructive criticism. First off, as I have previously posted I appreciate all the work that the volunteers put into keeping the trails maintained and in great shape. The constant addition of new trails allows me to ride once or twice a week and never get bored of the park. I have been riding markham park since 2000.

    Over the last year or so, maybe longer, the trail maintenance has incorporated white rock (road rock) into the trails. While is see the maintenance advantage of this (Compacts well, does not get washed out or undermined in rain, less maintenance) there are also some disadvantages with the continued use of this road rock.

    The disadvantages are subjective and only my opinion but I thought I would voice my opinion to see if there are others that have the same concerns.

    My opinion of the road rock is that it’s making the park too easy to ride. This has the following adverse effects: more novice riders thinking they can ride markham and putting themselves and others in dangerous situations. Markham was knows as a difficult park and a park that novice riders should not attempt until they have conquered Oleta, Amelia or Quitewaters (many years past). There are no longer difficult sections in the trails. There are no longer unknowns caused by nature/rain that made the park fun. The other issue I have with the addition of the road rock is that it’s taking the uncertainty of the trails away. Mountain bike trails are meant to be off road and differing conditions adds a level of difficulty matched by no other……….many times I feel like I am riding on asphalt.

    Again this is just my opinion, I understand the use of the white rock but I suggest that it only be used in certain areas. I feel that its slowly being installed on every trail and taking the difficulty of the trails with it. Lastly, I want to thank all the volunteers for keeping markham a great place to ride and hope you take my suggestion to “use less” of the white rock into consideration. I will continue to ride markham as its still the best park in the tri-county area.

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    Quote Originally Posted by papsmagu View Post
    I have been riding markham for many years and I ask that you take my comments as constructive criticism. First off, as I have previously posted I appreciate all the work that the volunteers put into keeping the trails maintained and in great shape. The constant addition of new trails allows me to ride once or twice a week and never get bored of the park. I have been riding markham park since 2000.

    Over the last year or so, maybe longer, the trail maintenance has incorporated white rock (road rock) into the trails. While is see the maintenance advantage of this (Compacts well, does not get washed out or undermined in rain, less maintenance) there are also some disadvantages with the continued use of this road rock.

    The disadvantages are subjective and only my opinion but I thought I would voice my opinion to see if there are others that have the same concerns.

    My opinion of the road rock is that it’s making the park too easy to ride. This has the following adverse effects: more novice riders thinking they can ride markham and putting themselves and others in dangerous situations. Markham was knows as a difficult park and a park that novice riders should not attempt until they have conquered Oleta, Amelia or Quitewaters (many years past). There are no longer difficult sections in the trails. There are no longer unknowns caused by nature/rain that made the park fun. The other issue I have with the addition of the road rock is that it’s taking the uncertainty of the trails away. Mountain bike trails are meant to be off road and differing conditions adds a level of difficulty matched by no other……….many times I feel like I am riding on asphalt.

    Again this is just my opinion, I understand the use of the white rock but I suggest that it only be used in certain areas. I feel that its slowly being installed on every trail and taking the difficulty of the trails with it. Lastly, I want to thank all the volunteers for keeping markham a great place to ride and hope you take my suggestion to “use less” of the white rock into consideration. I will continue to ride markham as its still the best park in the tri-county area.

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    Its a catch 22 and goes back to my comments about skidders. Ive seen some fairly newly repaired sections sections turn to garbage because of skidding. But I see your point about dumbing down the trails as well. I can say that while not as difficult as before Markham had zero flow which a lot of the recent trail building has sorted out nicely.
    -Don "LordDRIFT" Draper.

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    While I see the point of perhaps too much lime-rock in the repairs, it is the ONLY material that holds up. Carpet has been suggested as an alternative to combat erosion, but if you like that I suggest a visit to Amelia. We have pavers in stock as we rather ride concrete/stone than multicolored nylon even if it is buried. That material has it's drawback's too, and the peeps in Amelia have done a great job working out the issues, but it is not for Markham.

    The idea behind all the work we have done so far, is repair the worst spots first and than restore all the lost elevation in all the trails. This is a multi year operation and believe it or not we are planning about 2 years ahead with some projects.
    If you see yourself riding in between two walls of dirt, it means that the trail used to be higher-up on that spot. The roots that are popping up, only means that dirt has washed away by rain and all the riders. They are now perceived as part of the trail and a feature, when in essence they weren't there when the trail was first developed.

    Then there are the skidders, who have no control of their bike and brake at every turn, every down hill and everywhere in between when they are about to lose control.
    Riding within your skill level is posted on several signs at the gate and promptly ignored by most. Then there are the litterbugs giving us even more to do, like I was born to clean up other peoples crap of the trails...
    We do feel we have become a victim of our own success by doing so much work. Yes, the flow is back but we are planning on throwning a few curveballs in the trails in the upcoming months to restore the fear factor. The only thing we have to keep in mind that we are bound by the county safety officer, as safety has a priority in regards to liability. We live in a nanny era where everybody is a 'winner', 'special' and not responsible for their own stupidity. All we can do is add more features and plug away. It will all come together at some point.
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    Can't wait to see it going in the next 2-3 weeks. Already have that in the making. I think that's going to be the first trail ride on my new bike . And OscarW everything works itself out unfourtunately stupidity runs wild now-a-days.

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    Sfb12 I know all will work out and the compliments are streaming in at the front office... Enjoy your new bike and the trails!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    If time permits he and I will also add about 150 ft of trail in the Alligator Alley area in the "one more time" section.. We spotted this possibility this AM and can do this build in about 2 hours. I am excited as Sunday I won't make TM day but can do a quickie trail addition to a very exciting area that will see some major work in March if the stars are all aligned.... Stay tuned...
    Dude, the new section is KILLER! Rode Saturday with my son. really like what you all did in there. Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    restore the fear factor.

    Nice! I took a break from Markham and when I went back I was surprised by all the new "fixed" areas....don't get me wrong, I love it, but the "expert" sections aren't really "expert" anymore.

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    I had little to do with the new part in Black Snake actually, but knew about the build. I was still recovering from the previous trail-work with over 150 hours of work in them..

    There is some stuff still left that is gnarly and won't get touched. The idea is to restore the lost elevations first and than add features to them. A log-over on a climb is one thing we can do to make it more expert. There are options but we also need to keep it safe while making it tough. No easy task but we will get to it. We are also scouting virgin areas for some really expert trails and things are looking good.

    I have proposed a few very cool things that are in essence approved by the park manager, but we need $$$ to build them. We hope for a big turn out of people when we run our annual Markham 100 race to fund trail work.
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    I'd like to come out with my son for some trail work, I think it would be great for him to 'give back' and learn about proper trail maintenance.
    Oscar, how do you have all this time for trail work? Off season for fishing?

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    Yeah I have a seasonal job and right now I won't be out there as much till the summer. I am getting booked up well again and tarpon season is near with people getting the "fever" for them...
    Any help you and you kid can lend is much appreciated and you will find that you see some of the stupid sh*t people try to pull off. This gives you a different perspective LOL
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    Caution;  Merge;  Workers Ahead! Amtb

    AMTB is coming to Markham Park! What is AMTB you may ask? It is Adaptive Mountain Biking. With the amount of disabled athletes and wounded vets taking more interest in mountain biking, Markham Park trail building fund is getting together with a few athletes who get around on special mountain bikes and together in the next few weeks we will adapt a few trails to the use of these bikes and their riders. We aren't going to change any of the trails that are more 'hardcore' as these guys don't want / need that, but we will add more trail to the Fat Tire trails and convert a few green trails such as Fishinghole loop, Warmup loop, Traverse and a small part of Rte 66.

    These guys / gals are true athletes and will give anyone a run for their money on the same trails! They don't want pity or special treatment but like to ride as much as, and with, their two wheeled friends.
    My trail build friends and I had been scouting around and we came up with close to 4.5 miles of trial for this purpose. We will need to cut some new trail as well.
    All this will also benefit the new riders who can SHARE these same trails. In the case of the parts of existing trail we will have extra exits in order to promote flow and not to have to rebuild all of them.

    We will introduce a new sign for these designated trails and we believe we are the first ones in the country to do so... see attachment.
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    All this is generating a lot of buzz even in the media. We hope that the Markham 100 race Fundraising Benefit Races - Markham Park Trail Building Fund will be successful in raising much needed funds to make it all happen sooner than later.
    Also the new skills area is getting closer to become reality. We recently built a teeter totter and are planning a few more things to get that off the ground as well.

    Remember that the first Sunday in March is trail maintenance day and we can get a lot done if enough peeps show up.

    Stay tuned!
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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    AMTB is coming to Markham Park! What is AMTB you may ask? It is Adaptive Mountain Biking. With the amount of disabled athletes and wounded vets taking more interest in mountain biking, Markham Park trail building fund is getting together with a few athletes who get around on special mountain bikes and together in the next few weeks we will adapt a few trails to the use of these bikes and their riders. We aren't going to change any of the trails that are more 'hardcore' as these guys don't want / need that, but we will add more trail to the Fat Tire trails and convert a few green trails such as Fishinghole loop, Warmup loop, Traverse and a small part of Rte 66.

    These guys / gals are true athletes and will give anyone a run for their money on the same trails! They don't want pity or special treatment but like to ride as much as, and with, their two wheeled friends.
    My trail build friends and I had been scouting around and we came up with close to 4.5 miles of trial for this purpose. We will need to cut some new trail as well.
    All this will also benefit the new riders who can SHARE these same trails. In the case of the parts of existing trail we will have extra exits in order to promote flow and not to have to rebuild all of them.

    We will introduce a new sign for these designated trails and we believe we are the first ones in the country to do so... see attachment.
    Adaptive Trail Sign-1.pdf
    All this is generating a lot of buzz even in the media. We hope that the Markham 100 race Fundraising Benefit Races - Markham Park Trail Building Fund will be successful in raising much needed funds to make it all happen sooner than later.
    Also the new skills area is getting closer to become reality. We recently built a teeter totter and are planning a few more things to get that off the ground as well.

    Remember that the first Sunday in March is trail maintenance day and we can get a lot done if enough peeps show up.

    Stay tuned!
    This is great to hear I hope more parks get into that idea.

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    Good job!

    Next week we are meeting with a few riders who will inform us of their abilities and the bike's capabilities and the type of trail they like to ride. We are also getting bike dimensional measurements making our job a bit easier to build the trail. I.E we don't want to build a hump that would high center a long wheel based bike. We are exited to help in any way we can and provide a challenging trail that is also rideable by novice riders. We hope to get this project of the ground ASAP and also hope our race in March brings in much needed funding too.

    More parks are going this way and Amelia has done some work in that area too. We are taking a little different route by getting the Wounded Warriors on board as well. This project is exciting in that we can give back to those who otherwise would be left out of a sport that brings a lot of camaraderie among the participants. The way we, preliminary, have laid out the trail makes it run parallel to the trails the 2 wheeled bikes ride, so that all riders can meet up at the end of each trail making for more of a group ride. A lot of the AMTB peeps do have friends riding with them who are on 2 wheels. Inclusion is the name of the game here.

    Stay tuned!
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    Rode Markham Saturday....trails were in great shape, super grippy due to the rain. Hit Oleta Sunday....decent, but their doing a Spartan Race there this weekend so avoid it.

    My son was WAY faster at Oleta since we've been riding Markham more....Markham is the best. Looking forward to hitting Amelia soon too.

    What do you Markham "regulars" look like? Would be cool to meet up and ride!

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    Glad you're liking the trails and the rain was a huge help! It was fast and tacky for me too. I tend to ride early AM weekdays. I ride in roadie gear like most of the regulars..
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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    Next week we are meeting with a few riders who will inform us of their abilities and the bike's capabilities and the type of trail they like to ride. We are also getting bike dimensional measurements making our job a bit easier to build the trail. I.E we don't want to build a hump that would high center a long wheel based bike. We are exited to help in any way we can and provide a challenging trail that is also rideable by novice riders. We hope to get this project of the ground ASAP and also hope our race in March brings in much needed funding too.

    More parks are going this way and Amelia has done some work in that area too. We are taking a little different route by getting the Wounded Warriors on board as well. This project is exciting in that we can give back to those who otherwise would be left out of a sport that brings a lot of camaraderie among the participants. The way we, preliminary, have laid out the trail makes it run parallel to the trails the 2 wheeled bikes ride, so that all riders can meet up at the end of each trail making for more of a group ride. A lot of the AMTB peeps do have friends riding with them who are on 2 wheels. Inclusion is the name of the game here.

    Stay tuned!
    Just want to toss a at this whole concept.

    I saw a fellow at Amelia a few weeks ago on a four wheeled rig that he was operating with his arms/hands. He appeared to be a double amputee below the hip. He was decked out in full riding gear, too. He was getting tons of cheers from everyone as he powered by.

    The whole scene choked me up a little, and provided a whole hell of a lot of inspiration to achieve, accomplish, and overcome. It also put a lot of the things I complain about into perspective.


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    We did the ride and we were all amazed at how well our friend rode his bike on some existing trails that we thought he couldn't do. Boy were we all in awe! We are all dedicated to make this adaptive trail system work. We are also in touch with the Wounded Warriors to make them aware of what we are doing. The park manager is fully on board and dedicated to this project. More to come!
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    Has anyone rode or know of anyone who has a stumpjumper 29er HT in this area? I've been looking at them and wondering how they ride and handle markham and the other parks...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Benja1min View Post
    I'm sure it is a personal like or dislike but I've never been there either and was considering that too.
    I've been to markham before just asking how the bike felt there more or less, guess its different for everyone just wanted some local reviews that's all..
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    Next weekend we have the Markham 100 race to benefit the trails!!

    Markham 100k Mountain Bike Race
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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    Next weekend we have the Markham 100 race to benefit the trails!!

    Markham 100k Mountain Bike Race
    I've been looking at the races you guys hold. Too bad I was not ready for it yet. I'm trying to train for your rumble in the jungle race that you hold in summer time and already up to 14 miles consistant.

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    Do Not skip Santos !!!' it's awsome.
    Hah for some reason that trail set scares me. I'm thinking about riding it this summer when I go to ocala but don't think i'll race it.

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    Remember to have fun when racing! The Markham races are to benefit the trails and aren't like the State series and CC races.
    Plenty of peeps ride as much as they can, mainly because the race course is so different from the regular course.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    Remember to have fun when racing! The Markham races are to benefit the trails and aren't like the State series and CC races.
    Plenty of peeps ride as much as they can, mainly because the race course is so different from the regular course.
    Oscar-was planning a ride at Markham this weekend with my fiance who is just starting, could I ride on Saturday before the day of the race or are trails closed for preparation??? Thanks.

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    Trails will likely be set up for the race, but if you follow the arrows and ride the course you should be fine.
    I have no idea what the course is going to be, as I am out of town for that weekend too.
    The trailsystem will be closed on race day until the race is over.
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    Finally get to ride markham it's been awhile...ill be out there Wednesday afternoon sometime after 230
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    Good job!

    The Markham 100 was a HUGE success with 250 riders and quite a few sponsors!!! Thanks to all who raced and donated money to the trail build fund!!!
    It was the largest turn out ever for the Markham races!!
    We are planning great things and the AMTB trail is high on the list as is the new skills area. The Teeter Totter has been build and is actually in the way of all the other goodies that have been build. The MuckTruck will be repaired and should be in full action for the April TM day.
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    Markham and QW will as of April 1st. start to charge a fee to ride the trails. There is an annual pass available for $ 25.00 , or a daily fee of $ 5.00 for trail access. The weekend entry fee of $ 1.50 is still applicable too. The pass is valid for all Broward parks!! It is a no brainer to get the annual pass. Some of the money generated will actually benefit the trails.
    The positive thing is that with the checkpoint at the gate, it will eliminate the idiots who shouldn't be on the trails. $ 25.00 is less than a set of grips, so it isn't all that bad. You can thank the morons for filing frivolous lawsuits against the park system for the county to want to recoup some $$...
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    :/ i dont like that, liked the fact that we didnt have to pay for the trails but I guess I will get over it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    Markham and QW will as of April 1st. start to charge a fee to ride the trails. There is an annual pass available for $ 25.00 , or a daily fee of $ 5.00 for trail access. The weekend entry fee of $ 1.50 is still applicable too. The pass is valid for all Broward parks!! It is a no brainer to get the annual pass. Some of the money generated will actually benefit the trails.
    The positive thing is that with the checkpoint at the gate, it will eliminate the idiots who shouldn't be on the trails. $ 25.00 is less than a set of grips, so it isn't all that bad. You can thank the morons for filing frivolous lawsuits against the park system for the county to want to recoup some $$...
    Unreal. I knew this was coming. The same thing happen in the Ga. state parks last year. Entrance fee and separate trail fee. I think it BS. And if it gonna help solve the liability issue, how about building some dirt jumps to go along with the pump track.

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    ^ ^^ There is a lot of resistance to this user fee..aka TAX, but there are a few pro's too.
    This fee will see some returns for us in Markham, as in a Pavilion and a real bathroom in place of the lab experiment currently serving as such...
    The park manager is an avid rider and has funded equipment rentals and materials for the trails too, so that has helped out quite a bit for us volunteers and the trails.

    Right now, there is a person on duty turning away riders who have no pass. It has been mandatory for quite a few years to have a pass, which meant you had to watch the video and sign the waivers, and there are signs at the (main) gate stating this. For the those who don't comprehend this...tough sh^t.

    I don't agree with yet another tax either, but there is not much we can do as the county could just also close the place up, thus eliminating the frivolous lawsuits like those that have happened in the past.
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    C'mon $25 for a year is a bargain......it costs $5+ every time you go into Virginia Key

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfdog93 View Post
    C'mon $25 for a year is a bargain......it costs $5+ every time you go into Virginia Key
    I agree and one reason I've never been to Virgina Key. $25 is fine as long as the money goes back to the trails. I'll get the pass and ride. As an example though, I don't go to Ft Yargo any more, even though it the closest to my parents in GA. I'm not paying $5-8 dollars to ride a trail when there are others near by that are free. If I lived there that would be a different story. They have the same annual fee. My point being you might be locking out people who would try MTBing or come from other areas and what about a family that wants to give it a shot. And I understand the liability issue. I had a DJ/BMX track in my yard my yard for 5 years before an 11y/o parents decided to sued me for a broken ankle. It gave kids a place to hang out, dig, and have fun. I just thing the individual fee is a little high for those wanting to try the sport and is gonna be a shock to others coming in from out of town. Markham has the best all around trail in S.Fl. I hope the money works it was back to the trails.
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    I hope this will be strictly monitored and enforced throughout the open hours of the park...

    I'll be pretty pissed if I play the responsible one and get my pass just to see knuckleheads out there without their cards and helmets riding around for free....

    Again, thanks for the trail work... I love Markham!!!

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    I have only been to Markham once (May 2012) as I don't get down there very often. The one time I did get down there and hit it almost all the trails were closed due to being under water. I am considering heading down there this weekend before the new policy goes into effect on April 1st. I don't have an issue with the price except that there are 5 Peoria in my family that ride so while $25 doesn't seem like alot with 5 people that means I would have to drop $125 just to get in the gate and with only getting down there once or twice a year or so it will make more sense to pay the $5 per person when we go. I hope has more trails open when I go this time.

    Can everyone tell me what they're favorite part of Markham is and why, post photo if possible.

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    Bustermin, I see your dilemma and perhaps there should be a family plan in place. I will email the park manager and ask him about it. At the moment ALL trails are open too.
    My personal favorite trail is Alligator Ally and Rte 66. I also like Outback and Armadillo trails. To me the whole system works well and yes I am biased I know...

    FWIW, I understand is that there will be someone on duty 7 days a week from here on keeping the usual idiots out..
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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    Bustermin, I see your dilemma and perhaps there should be a family plan in place. I will email the park manager and ask him about it. At the moment ALL trails are open too.
    My personal favorite trail is Alligator Ally and Rte 66. I also like Outback and Armadillo trails. To me the whole system works well and yes I am biased I know...

    FWIW, I understand is that there will be someone on duty 7 days a week from here on keeping the usual idiots out..
    Don't get me wrong I am not opposed to the fee as it can only help improve the trails county wide as well as possibly fund the creation of future trails.

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    I understand but perhaps the county should have taken into account multiple users in one family...
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    This is a direct quote from the park manager in regards to my question about the fee's for family's

    "Yes, we will be assisting the families of 4 or more. We will charge the parents and not the children. However, if the parents do not ride then we will only charge the children. It should never exceed $75."

    I hope this helps....
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    My wife and I are going on vacation next week in south Florida. We are thinking about giving Markham a rip, so my question for you guys is, can we rent some real mtb bikes around there? My wife is 5'3" and we currently ride custom built Specialized Pitch Pro and Myka fsr. So what are our options for around there?

    Thanks

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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    This is a direct quote from the park manager in regards to my question about the fee's for family's

    "Yes, we will be assisting the families of 4 or more. We will charge the parents and not the children. However, if the parents do not ride then we will only charge the children. It should never exceed $75."

    I hope this helps....
    Excellent, thanks for the information

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    To clear up the controversial fees that have started at Markham heres a post from one of the Markham Park Trail Builders:

    "This morning the core group of Markham Trail Volunteers had a meeting with park management to get the FACTS regarding the new "Amenities Fees" the county will be charging. So in efforts to keep everyone informed of what's going on I want to share the information to set things straight.
    As of April 1st, 2013, Broward County Parks will begin charging an "Amenities Fee" at all county parks. In regards to Markham this will include a $25 per year usage fee for the MTB Trails, Model Airplane Field, and Dog Park (all separate fees). There will also be a one day pass available for $5. Starting April 1st, anyone wishing to enter the Trail Head Gate must go to the Park Office and pay the fee, sign a new updated waiver, and receive a new access card. If you have the current access card you will not need to watch the safety video again. It will be required viewing for any new riders as it has been for the past several years. This is an annual fee that expires on Dec 31 each year and will need to be renewed. Once you have obtained an access card at Markham or Quiet Waters it will be good at either park or any other Broward County Park that opens a designated MTB trail. There will be concessions made for any current registered volunteer who has logged 50+ hours in the previous year .
    Now to answer the big question, "Where is the money going?"
    We have been informed that Markham will be getting a new Trailhead Pavilion which has already been approved, as well as a new composting restroom at the trailhead. We could not be given a definite time frame as to the completion of the projects due to the large number of projects currently ongoing throughout the county, but they are coming. Also keep in mind that although the Markham Park Trail Building Fund is able to fund a great majority of the materials and equipment used for upkeep of the trails we are still supported by the Park Management with equipment rentals, materials, signs, our fund raising races, as well as many other aspects of daily activities required to keep the trails open.
    So, think about this. Up until now, the Trails have been a parcel of land that at anytime the powers that be could come in and shut down to use for whatever they wanted. Now that they will be a "Revenue Stream" for the county it will make it that much harder for them to do so. And at $25 per year plus $1.50 park entry, it still makes Broward County Park's Trails less expensive to enter than any other South Florida Trail.
    So, as with anything new, there will be some growing pains I'm sure. But, in the end we (The Usual Suspects) feel that in the long run this will benefit the S. Florida Mountain Biking Community greatly.
    Thanks,
    Chris"

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    Thanks for that post TAOS ! I have been super busy with work and so Mtb has taken a back seat for now. Depending on work I may come out this Sunday for TM day as the work will include some much needed repairs in a few spots. If one volunteers X hours, the pass will be free btw....
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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    Thanks for that post TAOS ! I have been super busy with work
    When we goin'? lol

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    Lemme know...LOL
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    Went to the park on Wednesday and got my new permit for $26.00. Rode in and no one was there checking riders entering. Came out three hours later and and no one there still. When I left, I stopped at the office and asked for a manager. I inquired about the permanent person who was suppose to be checking the riders entering the trails now for the new fee schedule that has been imposed and I was told that a person would only be checking for the new pasees on the weekends. Guess its better to just ride without regisrering like a lot of people have been doing.

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    Don't feel bad having paid for a pass as from what I heard it will change, however slowly. There will be someone at the gate in the weekends at first, since this is the time for more problem peeps to show up and wreak havoc on the trails.
    Weekdays early AM, is when the fast riders are out and they know what they are doing causing little to no issues. I don't remember seeing an ambulance during the week for example. We will start patrolling more as well, also during the week. If people think they can get away with crap we will just dial 911 and have law enforcement deal with the trespassers/idiots. There is a resident BSO officer on the property, so it will take mere minutes for him to show up anyway..
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    Today was a TM day and the usual clan was working on Iguana Ridge to repair it and some headway was made in the new skills area near the entrance. My friend and I cleared out the vegetation above Pipeline to keep the wood from rotting out. Nothing major was done but some essential stuff.
    There was a person at the gate to check for the new cards and apparently the office was busy selling them most of the day. It is also apparent that the need for a gate keeper is great as there were plenty of peeps who shouldn't be on the trails. A hardhat doesn't qualify as a riding helmet, just to mention one example...
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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    Today was a TM day and the usual clan was working on Iguana Ridge to repair it and some headway was made in the new skills area near the entrance. My friend and I cleared out the vegetation above Pipeline to keep the wood from rotting out. Nothing major was done but some essential stuff.
    There was a person at the gate to check for the new cards and apparently the office was busy selling them most of the day. It is also apparent that the need for a gate keeper is great as there were plenty of peeps who shouldn't be on the trails. A hardhat doesn't qualify as a riding helmet, just to mention one example...
    Bought my pass yesterday and QW was busy selling them a lot of the day too. But really a hard hat?!?!
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    Yes, some moron tried to ride in with a hardhat...I don't know what happened with him as I went to work..The gate was manned for most if not all day and the park is making an effort in doing this daily.
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    First wanted to say thank you for all your hard work, I really should show up one of these Sunday's to help out. I don't think the 25 is a big deal since it was.so cheap before. I rode today and had a blast. I've been going to markham for a couple of years but have been going more frequently since my new bike purchase last year, anyhow I just discovered twisted trail today! I feel like an idiot for not knowing that it existed but what a kick ass trail , I was too tired to ride route 66 but will probably go tomorrow. I usually ride through everything and end up leaving after gun range. So my dumb ass didn't know about Bermuda triangle, twisted trail , route66!! I guess I should look at a map!
    Im thrilled to hit them up tomorrow, I wonder what other gems I'm missing at markham...

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    Thanks and since you missed Bermuda before, you probably missed Alligator Alley/Black Snake and Las Olas?? If you ride every trail you come to a little over 9 miles of trail. This year we will reach our goal of 10 miles.

    As an FYI for everyone, the gate is now manned for the foreseeable future!!
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    I guess I dont pay that much attention to the signs while riding. My typical ride looking at the map is warm up loop(expert), then rock garden, armadillo, traverse, area 51, supercross to eviction.
    outback, then I ride gunrange. I guess I was not aware of the trails on the eastern side.
    Yesterday I found what I think was twisted trail and I saw route 66 but was winded.
    The trail that im talking about was like a roller coaster mostly black dirt hills, had some killer wood ramps. which trail is this?
    Whats the best way to enter all those trails on the east?

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    If you come out of Gunrange you go over a little berm by the lake and make a sharp right just past the exit of the first Outback trail you exit before you went into Gunrange. This trail makes a few twists before you get into a gnarly climb followed by a sharp left turn and a drop. Keep riding until you see a trail bearing left, that is Outback Extension which has the big Ski-slope drop. This leads over a small wood bridge into an open area. There you bear left toward Crimescene, Jet Ski and Twisted Trail. Out of Ted's, aka Twisted trail, you make a turn right, a left turn and a climb that leads toward the wooden ramp and the big dirt hill after which you either go left to Bermuda or right to Alligator Alley and Rte 66..
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    thanks Oscar, Ill try that route next time, I think I have ridden outback extension but didn't do the ski-slope drop, is this the one that has a slight right turn before heading down?
    so which trail is the one I am describing with the rolling hills?wooden plank ramps?
    it was a blast!

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    You're welcome. The only one I can think of outside of Gunrange would be Pipeline which is part of Area 51 just past Traverse, or you may have ridden Alligator Alley as this trail has the 'High Point' wood structure in it.....
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    dam maybe ill take a map with me next time, I still cant believe I have been missing out on trails...DOH
    is the map on clubmud the most recent one?

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    Uh not really, as we added trails like Las Olas, Iguana Ridge, a small bypass trail on the East side of the trail system, and the new addition to Black Snake, not to mention the addition in Warm up loop you already found. If you want to ride with me one day I can show you around. Much easier to do...
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    I personally liked las olas very much. But that ski-slope drop is the thing that ended my ride 2 weeks ago... No clue exactly what happened so we can just call it a wipeout.
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    Sorry for your spill. It is a double red diamond trail... I should know as I helped build it. There are two signs on that trail warning people and it even took me by surprise when I rode it the first time, as you pick up so much speed...
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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    Sorry for your spill. It is a double red diamond trail... I should know as I helped build it. There are two signs on that trail warning people and it even took me by surprise when I rode it the first time, as you pick up so much speed...
    Even though I am newer to the sport I have very little issues regardless of the trail difficulties, I went on all the double diamond trails including gun range but the only time I fell was on that drop. Those trails are awesome wish I could make it out their more often.
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    what part are you calling las olas?
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    Quote Originally Posted by 11trk4300 View Post
    what part are you calling las olas?
    There is a trail called las olas. It's sign is not a traditional one though, it looked to be made out of wood. Thats how I could tell it apart from most others by memory.
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    Las Olas is the trail that you can ride after you come from Area 51 and the big undulating wooden bridge feature called Pipeline. Just go straight when you pass that tiny wood bridge and you see the wooden sign "Las Olas". The trail is almost like a pump track. Las Olas will lead you into "Huck You" and Eviction. The woman who makes the signs is on a mission to replace all the trail signs with different designs and cool lettering.
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