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    Be glad to lend a hand. See you all there.

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    Thanks to all the folks who helped out! We got a lot done and the new trails are open!!!
    You can now ride all of Armadillo without the cut-off, come out at the top, make a left toward the dump and ride Iguana trail (black diamond!!) down into the now REVERSED Fisherman's Loop and back up the hill parallel to Armadillo. It is pretty easy to find all this as there are signs everywhere...
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    did you guys reverse the outback extension like what was talked about?

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    Quote Originally Posted by reedfe View Post
    did you guys reverse the outback extension like what was talked about?
    No, we never got around to that part of Markham, as Armadillo and Iguana/ Fisherman Loop trails took a lot of work. Also filling in the holes in Bermuda and the Area 51 berm was more work than we expected. A new bridge was constructed in Black Snake /Alligator also, but I don't know if it is open for riding yet.
    We had a few peeps running around with machetes to trim up the place too. A lot of work was done....
    I haven't ridden the trails yet, hopefully tomorrow AM.
    If we have a similar turnout of volunteers next month, we should be able to get to Outback and Gunrange and really get ahead of the maintenance needed.
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    hmm what days do you guys work on the park again. I'll try to make it next time and get some friends down there too now that school's over (3 days!) Work a little then ride a little. It's a win win situation!

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    Trail maintenance is every first Sunday of the month. All help is welcome!
    I feel it really helps riders understand why certain things are done certain ways, when they help out maintaining the trails they ride.
    Sometimes it is a thankless job but keep in mind you do this work for yourself too.
    I rode today and was surprised at the weeds that still need removal. The heat and humidity was pretty bad and must have overwhelmed those guys too.
    The trail flow is amazing and I had a great ride this AM.
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    The repaired berms are awesome! As is the rest of the work you guys did. Thanks!

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    I'm going tomorrow morning and can't wait... I love the berms!

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    I'm diggin the new Iguana Ridge!!!

    The berms are railing and everything is flowing well...

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    I had a great, albeit very sweaty, ride this AM and it really flows well in there. The skeeters are really out in force, even in the parking lot ...
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    Iguana Ridge is awesome! I was too much of a wuss to huck the drop into that berm on my first ride through, but next time. And if I end up in the lake it might be a bonus cool off dip!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    Trail maintenance is every first Sunday of the month. All help is welcome!
    I feel it really helps riders understand why certain things are done certain ways, when they help out maintaining the trails they ride.
    Sometimes it is a thankless job but keep in mind you do this work for yourself too.
    I rode today and was surprised at the weeds that still need removal. The heat and humidity was pretty bad and must have overwhelmed those guys too.
    The trail flow is amazing and I had a great ride this AM.
    Are minors allowed to work on the trails if we have already completed the safety video thing and have our card?

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    Quote Originally Posted by reedfe View Post
    Are minors allowed to work on the trails if we have already completed the safety video thing and have our card?
    I would think so, since we do get high school kids doing community hours that get signed off on by one of two people in charge. If you do community work you could get points for that at Markham...
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    I haven't been here yet but should be getting a chance soon. Just wondering how the trails would be on the Muni?
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    Muni??

    As a general FYI; Rte 66 is OPEN!!
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    You guys are getting me super excited, I've been meaning to come down but I have to borrow friends' bikes and I'm tired of Quiet Waters lol..

    I have a Jamis Parker coming in this week so I'll be there a few days this week and Sunday forsure!

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    Well the trail crew was at it again this past weekend and rebuilt the berm in Gunrange. It was MIA for a while and now it is back.
    The trails are in awesome condition!!
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    Hey Oscar - don't want to thread jack but this isn't worth a post on it's own so I'll ask then be done:
    Let's say a couple of mountain biking dads have some tikes who ride Striders. If we sign the appropriate waivers, would it be ok to take the little guys to the pump track for a few laps? We'd stay out of the way and I doubt they could possibly damage it, I mean each bike and rider combined weighs about what a mountain bike does. But still I'd hate to go and piss someone off.

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    Hi Guys, The park is in awesome condition! I will try to be there for the first sunday of July.
    by the way, can someone name all the trails and the order they should go to do the whole park?
    How long is the park now (distance wise) with the new additions and 66 open?
    Cheers!

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    Quote Originally Posted by pablobaq View Post
    can someone name all the trails and the order they should go to do the whole park?
    How long is the park now (distance wise) with the new additions and 66 open?
    Cheers!
    I posted the trail distance on post #12.

    As for the trail names: (not sure what the order is now things have changed a little)
    1. Warm up loop
    2. Rock garden
    3. Armadillo
    4. Redback
    5. Traverse
    6. Supercross
    7. Outback
    8. Upback
    9. Puma trail
    10. Gunrange (Skelator is in gunrange)
    11. Outback extension
    12. Double cross
    13. Crimescene
    14. Jetski hill
    15. Twisted trail
    16. Lost ring
    17. Grassy knoll
    18. Bermuda triangle
    19. Washing machine
    20. Alligator alley
    21. Big gulp
    22. Black snake
    23. Route 66
    24. Route 66 expert
    25. The cat walk (Circus)
    26. Deep dark forest (originally it was the entrance)

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    Quote Originally Posted by GT5050 View Post
    Hey Oscar - don't want to thread jack but this isn't worth a post on it's own so I'll ask then be done:
    Let's say a couple of mountain biking dads have some tikes who ride Striders. If we sign the appropriate waivers, would it be ok to take the little guys to the pump track for a few laps? We'd stay out of the way and I doubt they could possibly damage it, I mean each bike and rider combined weighs about what a mountain bike does. But still I'd hate to go and piss someone off.
    After you have done the video and the waivers, you are more than welcome to ride around with your kids. The trails are open to anyone, but keep in mind that mad skills are needed on few of them.
    I see a lot of dad's and their kids on the pump track and as long as you stay on the track and don't ride of the sides you're all good to go... Enjoy!!

    This weekend there MAY be some more work going on from what I gathered....
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    Quote Originally Posted by RaveOn View Post
    I posted the trail distance on post #12.

    As for the trail names: (not sure what the order is now things have changed a little)
    1. Warm up loop
    2. Rock garden
    3. Armadillo
      * Iguana Trail into Fishermans loop
    4. Redback
    5. Traverse
      * Area 51 with Pipeline into Las Olas before you go off into Huck You
    6. Supercross
    7. Outback
    8. Upback
    9. Puma trail
    10. Gunrange (Skelator is in gunrange)
    11. Outback extension
    12. Double cross
    13. Crimescene
    14. Jetski hill
    15. Twisted trail
    16. Lost ring
    17. Grassy knoll
    18. Bermuda triangle
    19. Washing machine with the big new Tabletop
    20. Alligator alley
    21. Big gulp
    22. Black snake
    23. Route 66
    24. Route 66 expert
    25. The cat walk (Circus)
    26. Deep dark forest (originally it was the entrance)
    Pretty spot on, but Deep Dark is now part of Rockgarden as they merged these trails into one longer trail. I added a few new trails/names since they are recent additions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    After you have done the video and the waivers, you are more than welcome to ride around with your kids. The trails are open to anyone, but keep in mind that mad skills are needed on few of them.
    I see a lot of dad's and their kids on the pump track and as long as you stay on the track and don't ride of the sides you're all good to go... Enjoy!!

    This weekend there MAY be some more work going on from what I gathered....
    Cool thanks! I ride the park fairly often s I'm familiar and I watched the video when it was first implemented, but I was just looking at the pump track as a cool thing for the kiddos, thanks for clarifying that it would be ok!

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    Just wanted to say I love the new direction and stuff that has been put in. I haven't been there in a long time and rode the trails out to Gunrange, then went back to the pumptrack for a few laps.

    Also, whoever laid out the pumptrack distances of the rollers and jumps did a great job. Most are built to tight and makes them slow and much more work. It's fast and fun, like a BMX rhythm straight. The only things I see that could make it better would be one more roller before the step-up going into the berm (this might have been where you were running the bobcat in and out) and a change of direction line somewhere in the middle. Still, definitly one of the funnest ones if ridden. Great job, can wait to head back.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GT5050 View Post
    Iguana Ridge is awesome! I was too much of a wuss to huck the drop into that berm on my first ride through, but next time. And if I end up in the lake it might be a bonus cool off dip!
    that drop into the berm caught me off guard as well...

    I'm trying to get more comfortable riding drops off edges into either flat or angled landings...

    how do you train for drops like that? I've never practiced those because i've only seen drops of that size and nothing in-between to practice on? I know QW has a skills course which seems to have a few drop offs there to practice on, but that is kinda far?

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    Alright so it turns out I'm going to be needing a few hours this summer to become a member of NHS at my high school. Just to review, trail building is the first Sunday of every month, minors can participate, and I can get credit for the hours. Correct? Also do you guys know roughly how long you work each day? And what time do the troops assemble?

    Thanks so much!

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    I rode again today. Markham is SICK!
    Here is my new time and distance according to my computer.
    I did the WHOLE park. didnt skip anything



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    U guys think the distance is accurate?

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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    Pretty spot on, but Deep Dark is now part of Rockgarden as they merged these trails into one longer trail. I added a few new trails/names since they are recent additions.
    Before rock garden and deep dark merged, i remember these was a fun feature in rock garden that had a sharp left, then sharp right into a pretty sharp steep rocky climb. Am i crazy or was this feature taken out of those merged trails? Also, coming out of route 66 expert, what the heck is cat walk? Is that just the exit to the trail head? Sorry but i'm trying to mentally follow the flow of the trail order listed and i got all of it except those. Thanks..

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    Quote Originally Posted by toofdoc View Post
    Before rock garden and deep dark merged, i remember these was a fun feature in rock garden that had a sharp left, then sharp right into a pretty sharp steep rocky climb. Am i crazy or was this feature taken out of those merged trails? Also, coming out of route 66 expert, what the heck is cat walk? Is that just the exit to the trail head? Sorry but i'm trying to mentally follow the flow of the trail order listed and i got all of it except those. Thanks..
    I remember that feature as well, it was a fun section. The way it's laid out now though it still exists, you just go over it in reverse so it's a quick little rocky drop now. And since Rock Garden is longer now, it's later on in the trail.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toofdoc View Post
    Before rock garden and deep dark merged, i remember these was a fun feature in rock garden that had a sharp left, then sharp right into a pretty sharp steep rocky climb. Am i crazy or was this feature taken out of those merged trails? Also, coming out of route 66 expert, what the heck is cat walk? Is that just the exit to the trail head? Sorry but i'm trying to mentally follow the flow of the trail order listed and i got all of it except those. Thanks..
    The Cat Walk is 'Land of Oz' and is the long bridge feature in the expert part of 66, just before the steep hill with the rubber mat..66 now exits near where the original entrance used to be before it was moved to the current location near the exit of Black Snake/Alligator.

    Since Rock Garden is reversed when it was merged with DDF the climbs became descents and nothing was left out, it is just in reverse now.

    The flow of the trails is more logical now than let's say 2+ years back when I started riding there. The new little 'connector' trails like Iguana Ridge and Las Olas make for a more intense work out if you want too.
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    Cool, thanks, i thought DDF was reversed. I'm also diggin iguana ridge. Only thing, like mentioned before, that berm on the first drop needs to be higher in order to be huckable (is that a word?) Also, where is las olas?

    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    The Cat Walk is 'Land of Oz' and is the long bridge feature in the expert part of 66, just before the steep hill with the rubber mat..66 now exits near where the original entrance used to be before it was moved to the current location near the exit of Black Snake/Alligator.

    Since Rock Garden is reversed when it was merged with DDF the climbs became descents and nothing was left out, it is just in reverse now.

    The flow of the trails is more logical now than let's say 2+ years back when I started riding there. The new little 'connector' trails like Iguana Ridge and Las Olas make for a more intense work out if you want too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by reedfe View Post
    Alright so it turns out I'm going to be needing a few hours this summer to become a member of NHS at my high school. Just to review, trail building is the first Sunday of every month, minors can participate, and I can get credit for the hours. Correct? Also do you guys know roughly how long you work each day? And what time do the troops assemble?

    Thanks so much!
    You have to register with the county for volunteer work and than you can get your hrs signed of by the guys in charge of the trail build crew. We meet at about 8:30 AM on the first Sunday every month. The hours put in will vary from person to person. Some people stay for a few hours while others stay until their project is finished.
    Some things take more time than others to accomplish depending on how many people show up.
    Best to bring a camelback, snacks and work gloves, long-sleeved shirt(old) pants and work-boots of some type. Bugspray is helpful too..
    After work some of us will meet up at Big Al's sports bar across the street from Markham in that shopping plaza for food and a beer or ice tea if you're a minor...
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    Quote Originally Posted by toofdoc View Post
    Cool, thanks, i thought DDF was reversed. I'm also diggin iguana ridge. Only thing, like mentioned before, that berm on the first drop needs to be higher in order to be huckable (is that a word?) Also, where is las olas?
    I agree with you on that drop/berm thing in Iguana..It leaves me wanting for a better solution too.
    Las Olas is that pump track like trail past Area 51 where you ride on Pipeline. Way past Pipeline you will get to a small wooden feature that you huck off from and normally make sharp right. Instead of making a right you go straight up the hill and you're in Las Olas. LO will drop you 50 feet further on the same trail you left earlier, but just before the 'Huck You' drop in the Eviction area. I hope this didn't confuse you...
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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    I agree with you on that drop/berm thing in Iguana..It leaves me wanting for a better solution too.
    Las Olas is that pump track like trail past Area 51 where you ride on Pipeline. Way past Pipeline you will get to a small wooden feature that you huck off from and normally make sharp right. Instead of making a right you go straight up the hill and you're in Las Olas. LO will drop you 50 feet further on the same trail you left earlier, but just before the 'Huck You' drop in the Eviction area. I hope this didn't confuse you...
    Followed you completely, i have been riding LO and didn't even notice. Thanks buddy!

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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    You have to register with the county for volunteer work and than you can get your hrs signed of by the guys in charge of the trail build crew. We meet at about 8:30 AM on the first Sunday every month. The hours put in will vary from person to person. Some people stay for a few hours while others stay until their project is finished.
    Some things take more time than others to accomplish depending on how many people show up.
    Best to bring a camelback, snacks and work gloves, long-sleeved shirt(old) pants and work-boots of some type. Bugspray is helpful too..
    After work some of us will meet up at Big Al's sports bar across the street from Markham in that shopping plaza for food and a beer or ice tea if you're a minor...
    Is there a number I should contact or just the park number? And just to clarify, are the trails still open for riding that day? I'll be coming from west palm so I hope i can ride too as it is one of my favorite trails in the area

    And lots more trails are being changed/ renamed. Is there possibly an updated map?

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    Try this link for the volunteer form http://www.co.broward.fl.us/Parks/Ge...0enterable.pdf

    And this link for vids on the trails Markham Park Trail Video's

    This for the trail map, however the latest is not on this map as things evolved rather quickly...
    Markham Park Mountain Bike Trails

    The trails are open for riding, although some may be temporary closed for obvious reasons.
    Hope this helped out..
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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    Try this link for the volunteer form http://www.co.broward.fl.us/Parks/Ge...0enterable.pdf

    And this link for vids on the trails Markham Park Trail Video's

    This for the trail map, however the latest is not on this map as things evolved rather quickly...
    Markham Park Mountain Bike Trails

    The trails are open for riding, although some may be temporary closed for obvious reasons.
    Hope this helped out..
    Thanks for the Links.. .I liked the videos
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    Did 12 miles today...pretty dead comparedf to last time I was there. I missed the back sections of Gunrange last time and RT 66 was closed, so did those also liked the reroute of iguna ridge and the otherconnector trail. Loved the boardwalks on Rt 66. Had to life flight a guy out of iguana ridge this afternoon went OTB on the drop and severed his main artery in his leg...OUCH!!!

    I'll be back in Miami for three days at the beg. of July so I plan to do MArkham, Virginia KEy, and Amelia...
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    Quote Originally Posted by ds33gt View Post
    Did 12 miles today...pretty dead comparedf to last time I was there. I missed the back sections of Gunrange last time and RT 66 was closed, so did those also liked the reroute of iguna ridge and the otherconnector trail. Loved the boardwalks on Rt 66. Had to life flight a guy out of iguana ridge this afternoon went OTB on the drop and severed his main artery in his leg...OUCH!!!

    I'll be back in Miami for three days at the beg. of July so I plan to do MArkham, Virginia KEy, and Amelia...
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    Yes, it could happen to anyone, but it seems I always see quite a few folks at MArkham on trails that are above their ability. Last time i was there there were a group of 4 or 5 kids and 2 of them had BMX bikes, and the other 2 had Wal-gooses, didn't seem like a good mix for the trails.
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    Yes, it can happen to anyone, but less likely, as you said, if you ride within your abilities. I cringe sometimes when I pass people on more difficult trails and pray they don't get hurt, especially the kids on BMXs
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    Wow that sucks! An OTB can happen anytime, but that is pretty bad. I hope that guy will be fine. I agree that too many peeps are in over their heads and let their ego's dictate their ride. I always tell folks; "when in doubt, walk it out" .
    Markham is still quite hard even after all the improvements made. Even though I can ride all the trails, I still have days that I will skip a trail or part thereof just because it doesn't feel right. Careful out there folks!!
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    I rode Markham Thursday for the first time in a long time. I primarily road ride, but I like to mix it up and go beat up my 10 yr old mtb (LOL) to have some fun. My skill level is above average and I have no problem hanging with other riders, HOWEVER, my biggest complaint about Markham is the snobs (or I should say groups) that ride all out like they are pro's racing for money. This made the afternoon extremely dangerous because I was riding with a friend that a group of riders forced off the trail to overtake him. He apparently wasnt riding up to their speed so he was forced off the trail, this happened more than once by different groups. I was very close to approaching the guys as they were chatting by gun range, but I wasnt worth it.

    Guys like that make me want to stay on the road and take the risk of 4000 missiles flying by me, I actually feel safer.

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    having never gone to Markham it concerns me to think that other riders don't have the proper trail courtesy as the other parks I've rode at. there is no reason a group of riders or one person should force another rider off the trail just to get past them.thats the way riders with less experience get hurt and trails get closed.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SlurpeeKing View Post
    I rode Markham Thursday for the first time in a long time. I primarily road ride, but I like to mix it up and go beat up my 10 yr old mtb (LOL) to have some fun. My skill level is above average and I have no problem hanging with other riders, HOWEVER, my biggest complaint about Markham is the snobs (or I should say groups) that ride all out like they are pro's racing for money. This made the afternoon extremely dangerous because I was riding with a friend that a group of riders forced off the trail to overtake him. He apparently wasnt riding up to their speed so he was forced off the trail, this happened more than once by different groups. I was very close to approaching the guys as they were chatting by gun range, but I wasnt worth it.

    Guys like that make me want to stay on the road and take the risk of 4000 missiles flying by me, I actually feel safer.
    I posted about this in another forum and people gave me negative rep for whining, I guess people are allowed to just do whatever the hell they want without reguard for others...

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    Not surprising really, I've seen quite a few that think they are the final lap of world championships, and will blow you off the trails.
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    I am always courteous to other riders and try to stay aware of those coming up behind me but if some knuckleheaded dirt roadie can wait 30 seconds for me to give them the right-away. They will end up in the bush. I'm not clipped in, ride a durable bike, and not afraid to crash. Just show respect for all skill levels.

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    A little courtesy goes a long way to make trail riding a lot more fun and safe for everyone.
    I am not the fastest rider, but I must say that it is annoying to be behind someone who isn't making any attempt to get out of the way when asked.
    I make room for those who want to pass me when it is safe to do so too. I won't pull over just anywhere, but it isn't going to take half the trail either....
    If any rude behavior is experienced, you should find one of the many Patrol guys out there. Thursdays, Friday and the weekend there are at east 4-5 of them riding as well as doing trail work...
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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    I make room for those who want to pass me when it is safe to do so too. I won't pull over just anywhere, but it isn't going to take half the trail either....


    Exactly, keep it courteous, keep it safe.. thats how it should be. I think that's the way its been for me in MKM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SlurpeeKing View Post
    I rode Markham Thursday for the first time in a long time. I primarily road ride, but I like to mix it up and go beat up my 10 yr old mtb (LOL) to have some fun. My skill level is above average and I have no problem hanging with other riders, HOWEVER, my biggest complaint about Markham is the snobs (or I should say groups) that ride all out like they are pro's racing for money. This made the afternoon extremely dangerous because I was riding with a friend that a group of riders forced off the trail to overtake him. He apparently wasnt riding up to their speed so he was forced off the trail, this happened more than once by different groups. I was very close to approaching the guys as they were chatting by gun range, but I wasnt worth it.

    Guys like that make me want to stay on the road and take the risk of 4000 missiles flying by me, I actually feel safer.
    that's just south florida for you. People here have the "huck you" mentality...

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