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    I too have left ticked off at 2 things. The dumb asses riding without a helmet and dumbasses riding the wrong way. Haven't seen anyone goin that fast on the new gravel yet.
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    Bonking ... not feelin' well

    I guess I 'missed' out on the moron driving that fast....As I left, I did see one truck pulled over, right at the entrance to the gravel road, prolly for speeding
    I don't understand these idiots who equate being a good driver by going fast. South Florida is full of them..
    As to the morons without a helmet, apparently they have nothing between the ears worth protecting..... It's is called Darwinism..
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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW
    I guess I 'missed' out on the moron driving that fast....As I left, I did see one truck pulled over, right at the entrance to the gravel road, prolly for speeding
    I don't understand these idiots who equate being a good driver by going fast. South Florida is full of them..
    As to the morons without a helmet, apparently they have nothing between the ears worth protecting..... It's is called Darwinism..
    Yeah I left just a little bit after you and saw the police cars on the side. I don't really care for the people w/o helmet other than they are going to ruin something great for everyone else. The minute they get hurt some scum lawyer will contact them to sue the county. I hope you can see the ramifications from there. I've tried telling them before. And every time I run into one of them I let them know. Some listen some don't.

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    Will be there tomorrow around 12 if anyone wants to ride. I will be there with a couple friends.
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    Will try to make it. Not 100% sure though.

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    This was a timely post! Today, we received 30 new trail safety signs (direction/helmet required/beg, intermed, advanced) AND 5 HUGE new speed limit signs for the trail road (15 MPH) ...I also have another 30 colored directional arrows...
    I will be installing a ton of new signs on Friday morning beginning at 7am.
    We will be reversing the entire trail direction (for 2 months), so lots of new signs will be placed at the trailhead, and then throughout the trail marking the new direction.
    (I can use help-if anyone has a powered AUGER-BRING IT!!!)
    As for the speed limit signs, I can use some help driving the steel sign posts into the ground in a few ket locations: either side of the oak tree in the middle of the road, and BOTH sides of the road before the curve by the bike wash. Another will go half way down to the trailhead.

    If anyone has the equipment, or would like to help with the signs, let me know!!
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    It's done! The trail now rides in the reverse direction! All signs were changed, new ones were added, existing signs were covered, and a dozen new enter/exit signs placed at the trail head!!
    I was able to get 3 laps in today after the change, and its really cool! A whole new park!
    I now have a good-sized list of things to fix, so be patient, but its a refreshing change..

    Enjoy!!

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    Good job!

    Thanks!! Happy New Year!!! Can't wait to try the new direction...
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    I rode two laps today with my 12 years old son and the new direction is awesome good job expert,i also want to let everyone know that i found a spezialized computer i saw the guy looking for it but i could not see him again,pls if someone knows the guy let him know that i have it he can contact me by sending me a pm or i left a note at the entrance of the trail (board) with my cell.Thanks HAPPY NEW YEAR EVERYONE!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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    I was out there today on my 29er SS, and I have to sincerely thank you Steve for the hard work!

    The place flows!!!

    I'll be back tomorrow (passing Markham on the way down)....

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    I was out there riding with Hollywood today and am as impressed as he is at how nice Amelia is flowing. Huge props to the guys doing trail maintenance!

    One question though, is Amelia going to be open on new year's day? I can't find anything on holiday hours on the website for the park.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Crisis
    I was out there riding with Hollywood today and am as impressed as he is at how nice Amelia is flowing. Huge props to the guys doing trail maintenance!

    One question though, is Amelia going to be open on new year's day? I can't find anything on holiday hours on the website for the park.
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    I just called the park and they're open today.... Sun up until sundown.....



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    Today we finished the re-construction of the Key Biscayne climb (by the lake). We also extended the new KB berm, and decided to add an optional jump line to the left of the berm...
    It's a whole lot smoother, wider, and safer........and faster!! The small jump-like bumps on the way down the hill are water bars to help shed water in the proper direction...totally intentional!
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    Quote Originally Posted by EXPERTRIDER
    Today we finished the re-construction of the Key Biscayne climb (by the lake). We also extended the new KB berm, and decided to add an optional jump line to the left of the berm...
    It's a whole lot smoother, wider, and safer........and faster!! The small jump-like bumps on the way down the hill are water bars to help shed water in the proper direction...totally intentional!
    Enjoy!!
    Ahhhh.... OK..... I was wondering today why it wasn't totally smooth...........


    Again, great work and "Thanks" to all that transformed this park!

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    Rode on New Years Day and loved the changes. It's a new trail!

    I stopped to help with the cart stuck in the trail. Man, you guys are puttin in some work. Much props to the TM crew!

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    Did a little work on the log roll section near the bridge, it should keep people from getting hung up on that corner. It is the part close to where the Toro got stuck on the trail that GDubT is talking about.
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    Cool! That corner is tough to get to.....
    My work for the week will be the last climb out of rabbit ears.....it'll be a total rebuild.
    I'm going to completely reshape the ground to berm the whole climb/drop....then road rock everything.....it'll be a great feature when done....
    Thanks again!!

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    rode the trail on sunday with my gf and we both agree that the new reverse trail direction is awesome. The only problem we had was somewhere towards the back by the white/rock area where some of the directional arrows pointed the wrong way so we had to ask which way to go. Other than that everything was awesome. Told my friends about the direction switch and they are heading there this week to try it out.

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    rode it today, love the new direction..awesome..

    I agree tiwht DarkoMTB about the area by Chupacabra, definately needs to be better marked. All in all, great job and thanks again Steve.

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    dub- I rode a couple of laps this morning and saw your work- great job! You must have used buckets or a wheelbarrow?!!?
    I started fixing the last climb in rabbit ears, but the backhoe got a front tire flat!!
    It's almost complete: I reshaped the whole face and added about 10 yards of road-rock, smoothed it out and was getting ready to add a little more to the bottom.
    Take a look if you get a chance....I didn't pack it down or make anything pretty yet....

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    Yah Contractor Bucket, Rake and shovel...completely old school! I stole some soil from the sides, and some of the road rock that we emptied getting the toro out. I will ride tomorrow morning to see how rabbit ears is.

    I had help from my friend Gil, the couple laps that I did on it seemed to be a lot nicer than getting stopped up on the edge and then rolling the logs. It wasn't overly difficult to do, but more of an annoyance. I als saw where chainrings were starting to chew into the logs, so it was definitely necessary. I might go shovel up some more road rock and put another coat on top now that there have probably been a lot of bikes over it to pack it down.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLYWOOD33
    I was out there today on my 29er SS, and I have to sincerely thank you Steve for the hard work!

    The place flows!!!

    I'll be back tomorrow (passing Markham on the way down)....
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    What chain ring / cog size are you using at Amelia ?
    I plan on riding my SS there first time this weekend

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfdog93
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    What chain ring / cog size are you using at Amelia ?
    I plan on riding my SS there first time this weekend

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfdog93
    Hollywood,

    What chain ring / cog size are you using at Amelia ?
    I plan on riding my SS there first time this weekend

    Thanks
    I'm running 32/19 on a 29er SS. It's a bit too low for Amelia, but my son is using my 18T at the moment and I don't have a King 17T in my cog collection, so I spin a bit more
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    There's only a handful of climbs there that work you (the rest are smooth rollers), and even then, you see them in advance and can get your speed/momentum up....

    For me, the hardest one was the quick/steep right hander as you enter Little Razorback in reverse now...

    It took me a try or two, but now I can do it since I anticipate it....

    For me, trail knowledge is a big plus in SS'ing.... If you know a climb is coming, just start to speed up.... Don't wait and try to muscle it..........

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    Thanks Guys !
    Probably will try my 32 x 18 (Stumpy SS 29er) and see how it goes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HOLLYWOOD33
    There's only a handful of climbs there that work you (the rest are smooth rollers), and even then, you see them in advance and can get your speed/momentum up....

    For me, the hardest one was the quick/steep right hander as you enter Little Razorback in reverse now...

    It took me a try or two, but now I can do it since I anticipate it....

    For me, trail knowledge is a big plus in SS'ing.... If you know a climb is coming, just start to speed up.... Don't wait and try to muscle it..........
    Im with you Hollywood. Im running a 34/18 combo and it is great for the new direction. That turn as you enter LRB got me the first time. It was funny Bc ever since they started talking about the reversing of the trail I always saw that section as the one that would give me issues. Is just hope when I do it now that I don't wash out and end up in the bushes. Lol.
    I lovethe new direction. It flows great and at times I think it flows better than the other way around. Once the couple berms get put in it should be really fast. Good job as well on the vine potatos. It's not fun turning with one of those under your wheels. Trust me I know.

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    I love the new direction,i think the next race will be very interesting now once you end the cammel hump is all flat and give u time tu rest for the next lap,i went last saturday and my 12 year old son did it twice with out stop for the first time,he's driving me crazy to go this wk again.Great job guys.Thanks a lot.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Ant
    I love the new direction,i think the next race will be very interesting now once you end the cammel hump is all flat and give u time tu rest for the next lap,i went last saturday and my 12 year old son did it twice with out stop for the first time,he's driving me crazy to go this wk again.Great job guys.Thanks a lot.

    So, you actually think I'd use the regular trail start as the race start?!! Now way! The Race will start by the lake....we'll enter single-track right before the (Mickey Mouse sign) advanced area....the first trail sections will be rabbit ears/LRB/BMX/Chupacabra/Coffee etc...
    It'll be tough right from the start! THe middle will be easy, then tough again towards the end of each lap. We'll come out immediately after the swamp section (the section we exited from last race)....

    I'll be racing SS..... probably running a 34/17-16 or so.....

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    That start will be great for the large classes like 30 to 39. Can't wait to make the trip to preride.

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    I rode Amelia today and I like the new direction. It does feel like you're on the trail a bit longer. I did get confused at razorback a bit, but the second time around was a charm. I have only ridden the trails a total of 8 times so I have no real experience there, but I like Amelia and will keep comming back for more. Kudo's to the volunteers!!!
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    Man, you guys run some tall gearing on your SS! I'm more of a spinner.....

    Anyway, did a couple loops today with the new direction. Very refreshing. Overall, I think the original direction flows the best but there are many sections with the current direction that are pure bliss. Well done again!
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    Quote Originally Posted by EXPERTRIDER
    So, you actually think I'd use the regular trail start as the race start?!! Now way! The Race will start by the lake....we'll enter single-track right before the (Mickey Mouse sign) advanced area....the first trail sections will be rabbit ears/LRB

    I'll be racing SS..... probably running a 34/17-16 or so.....

    EXPERTRIDER, are you riding a 26er or 29er ? What is a good lap time for you ?

    We rode "your" trail for the first time today and thoroughly ourselves...A big THANK YOU to you and your crew! We could tell a lot of time and effort has been put in to get it to where it is.

    I rode my 29er SS with 32 x 18 and came away with a 38 minute lap, but with some familiarity and a 32 x 17 gearing, I'm hoping to improve next time.

    Funny, I lived in Miami for 16 years and it took a move to Jupiter to get me into biking....wish I would have taken advantage of Amelia and Oleta a whole lot sooner.

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    [QUOTE=Surfdog93]EXPERTRIDER, are you riding a 26er or 29er ? What is a good lap time for you ?

    We rode "your" trail for the first time today and thoroughly ourselves...A big THANK YOU to you and your crew! We could tell a lot of time and effort has been put in to get it to where it is.

    I rode my 29er SS with 32 x 18 and came away with a 38 minute lap, but with some familiarity and a 32 x 17 gearing, I'm hoping to improve next time.

    Funny, I lived in Miami for 16 years and it took a move to Jupiter to get me into biking....wish I would have taken advantage of Amelia and Oleta a whole lot sooner.[/QUOTE

    Judging from the last race and the input of a couple of friends I got he's at least in the 31 min range I believe. The guy is a beast. LOL!!!! He rides a 29er by the way.

    You can definitely make up some time with the right gearing. I've been ridding about 6 months and find that 34-18 is ideal for me. I do spin a little but I have to compromise as I'm still building my leg strength. You should be spinning a lot on the flats. Knowing the trail is a big plus. I also ride a 29er.

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    Thanks all! It's not "My trail"....I'm just a volunteer playing in our giant sandbox!!
    I'm having as much fun building trail as I am riding!! ...Pretty much everything we're building is because we just think it'll be awesome!
    As for lap times.....we did have the race on Dec 5th, all trails were used....my first lap was 29....and that includes the road section by the lake, thru scoring, and back into the trail......
    I haven't timed the reverse direction yet, but it should be about 1+ minute slower...I just can't get the same flow yet!! ....I'm working on it....
    Also, we expended the BMX area, so no one should finish a lap under 30...

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    Thanks again guys !
    Is there a favorite go-fast 29er tire combo for the track - dry conditions ?
    I'm running stock Spec. Renegade 1.95 rear, but think Captain Control 2.2....really would like more squish and traction.
    On the front I have Ardent 2.4 which is quite good all-around but maybe a bit heavy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by EXPERTRIDER
    Thanks all! It's not "My trail"....I'm just a volunteer playing in our giant sandbox!!
    I'm having as much fun building trail as I am riding!! ...Pretty much everything we're building is because we just think it'll be awesome!
    As for lap times.....we did have the race on Dec 5th, all trails were used....my first lap was 29....and that includes the road section by the lake, thru scoring, and back into the trail......
    I haven't timed the reverse direction yet, but it should be about 1+ minute slower...I just can't get the same flow yet!! ....I'm working on it....
    Also, we expended the BMX area, so no one should finish a lap under 30...
    I stand by my comment. U are a beast. What's ur average speed if you don't mind?
    I was happy to do it in 36min and an average speed of 11mph. Lol.

    I really like the way the trail is right now. Can't clear the jumps on under the bridge or the one I. The BMX section. Still working on it.
    Again you've put in some amazing work at the trails.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfdog93
    Thanks again guys !
    Is there a favorite go-fast 29er tire combo for the track - dry conditions ?
    I'm running stock Spec. Renegade 1.95 rear, but think Captain Control 2.2....really would like more squish and traction.
    On the front I have Ardent 2.4 which is quite good all-around but maybe a bit heavy.
    It's funny u mention it. I just changed my rear tire today and what a diff. shaved almost 2 min of my time. I was gonna go with the Renegade but at 225#'s I decided better on the Fast Trak. I wouldn't go any bigger than 2.0 in the rear. For the front I'm running The Captain 2.2 given that my skills are weak still knobbier tire helps. But I wouldn't run it as a rear tire. Not this time of the year anyways.

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    Crossmark 29ers on the rear have stupid amounts of grip in those switchbacks... I still can't believe it.

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    When is the next race?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Ant
    When is the next race?

    Jan 23rd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GDubT
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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfdog93
    Thanks again guys !
    Is there a favorite go-fast 29er tire combo for the track - dry conditions ?
    I'm running stock Spec. Renegade 1.95 rear, but think Captain Control 2.2....really would like more squish and traction.
    On the front I have Ardent 2.4 which is quite good all-around but maybe a bit heavy.
    The new Maxxis Ikon sticks like glue at Amelia. Light weight for the volume as well.
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    Anyone riding out there tomorrow?

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    I am really liking how easily my Maxis Ardent 2.4 set up tubeless on the front, so will get either the Crossmark 2.1 or Ikon 2.2 for the rear.

    Thanks Guys.

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    I have the same up front. The rear crossmark was kind of a ***** to get tubless on my stock rims but it's doable. I would consider the ikon for the rear if I didn't often ride some pavement. I think the ikon would be much better in the wet and would probably climb a little better on loose rocks... I love the crossmarks though.

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    Quote Originally Posted by driver145
    I have the same up front. The rear crossmark was kind of a ***** to get tubless on my stock rims but it's doable. I would consider the ikon for the rear if I didn't often ride some pavement. I think the ikon would be much better in the wet and would probably climb a little better on loose rocks... I love the crossmarks though.
    Driver145, what was the issue with the crossmark ?
    I initially tried my stock 2bliss Captain, but could not air up with foot pump. The Ardent aired right up and held really well even without the sealant

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    For the ardent front I just used about half a small CO2 cartridge to get the bead to set and then finished it off with the foot pump. The ardent is wide and has a wire bead I think. It basically sits flush even when not seated. However, the crossmark is folding bead I think and its doesn't hold its form very well (its much much lighter than the ardent) and its narrow. The result is that it kind of collapses in on itself away from the rim. I should mention I am running stock monocog rims. I messed around with it on and off for two days... what finally worked: Go to gas station with good compressor, soap up tire, remove valve core, Fill with about 2 ounces of sealant... sealant will leak everywhere so try to keep it from leaking out. I basically used up all 5 minutes of the time on the compressor and it literally set the bead and died immediately. I screwed the core back in and finished with the floor pump. I had to alternate constant with intermittent air. It is a huge mess too, so bring paper towels. It leaked here and there (the rim's fault) the first two days but has been solid since, I lose maybe 2-4 psi a week.

    Good luck. If the ikon holds form better it should be easier (and it looks like its wider too).

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    Thanks driver145.
    Tried my Rampage 2bliss tonight on rear, but that is a really thin tire, so no way on foot pump. Got a good relationship with tire shop down the road, so will try with their compressor.
    As you said the Ikon is a bit wider and the sidewalls are a little more rigid, like Ardent, so should be easier.

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    Has anyone been to Amelia after all this rain we have had these past couple days. I was out last friday for the first time in a long time and I wanna hit it again either tomorrow afternoon or Friday, just dont wanna waste the gas if its gonna be flooded.

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    Amelia is great, here and there a bit of mud but not flooded, Amelia is great and is getting better everyday. Go and you will not waste ur time.

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    WEnt today and it is a tad wet but not bad at all. By tomorrow it should be perfect. The rains packed everything nicely. Let me just say that the trails now running the opposite way it definately felt like a totally new trail. It definately kicked my ass today. I love the way a lot of things caught me off guard since its not what i was used to. i even got caught off guard by the 1st hump(which would normally be the second) of camel hump at the end. I love it
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    Amelia doesn't get "flooded" anymore. We have filled in EVERY low spot and previously muddy area.
    We intentionally left a tiny bit of mud in a little section that we call "the swamp", but I rode 3 laps today and there is no water anywhere....
    There are 2 berms that have intentional puddles of water on the very inside- this is done so that people ride the berm...not the ground in front of the berm...
    You'll also notice that we added 3 new road-rock berms to Gobble-gobble trail- in the places where it was getting sandy.
    As of today (Thursday- January 20th 2011) we are rebuilding the razorback climb.
    We expect to finish it tomorrow...it's a real challenge because none of our equipment can get up there, so we have to do it old-school with wheelbarrows!
    Saturday we have a Giant demo day at the park, and Sunday is the Florida Coconut Cup race.
    If there's a spot in the trail that's muddy/wet/sandy/rocky or whatever, believe me...I know about it! If it's still in the same condition after a week...then that's the way we want to keep it for now....
    Those that ride out there regularly know that if something sucks, we fix it quickly!!
    Enjoy!!

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    I dont see anything on the Giant web site about a demo day at Amelia this Saturday.

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    This afternoon rain really messed up my amelia plans for tomorrow morning, If anyone heads out tomorrow please post up how it was.

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    You showing up for the race Kev? My Alafia/Balm plans got postponed for another weekend so I will be racing this weekend!
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    Will there be races at Amelia this weekend??

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    Luisyfz:

    Read all the posts before yours. They address both your last two posts.

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    23rd, Sunday

    I will be there tomorrow morning. I was there this morning and the trails were perfect, very sticky..very little mud. I don't think the afternoon rain would have effected the trails much compared to what we got on Monday. Should be great riding!
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    Disregard my mention of the Giant demo day this weekend....its scheduled for Feb....got confused.....the race is Sunday....should be a course!!

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    I was there today and the trail feels super fast after the rain. Other than a couple of spots with some mud and the water by the 1st berm on the BMX section it was great. The tires are sticking to the trail like glue. It should be a lot of fun tomorrow. I expect some quick times. Good luck to al racers.

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    Forgot to mention that the fox came all the way out to the parking spaces. Only to get chased back to the woods by a dog. Lol. I'm glad she's still around.

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    Working on another audio track. I hate youtube
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    ...and if you'd like to see how the lesser skilled riders handle the same course...

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    Good fun.

    Congrats Steve. Mike came in just ahead of me, so we're even now. Next race will be the rubber match, lol.

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    'Glad you posted this one....
    I had some "slide-offs" my first time there...looking forward to next time





    Quote Originally Posted by GDubT
    ...and if you'd like to see how the lesser skilled riders handle the same course...

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    Good fun.

    Congrats Steve. Mike came in just ahead of me, so we're even now. Next race will be the rubber match, lol.

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    Cool Video! It was a great race yesterday!! You did 2 laps right?

    I have to say this, We spent a lot of time getting the trails ready for the race, and we were blessed with excellent race conditions and some rain during the week which provided us with spectacular trail conditions. The best part was that everyone had fun, and it was safe..no one was hurt..maybe a couple bumps and bruises but overall just a great day altogether!!
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    What were the winning lap times in both classes ?

    How late can you ride there now ? I'm in my Miami office now (about 15 min from park) and would love to get in a lap after work tomorrow

    Thanks




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    Cool Video! It was a great race yesterday!! You did 2 laps right?

    I have to say this, We spent a lot of time getting the trails ready for the race, and we were blessed with excellent race conditions and some rain during the week which provided us with spectacular trail conditions. The best part was that everyone had fun, and it was safe..no one was hurt..maybe a couple bumps and bruises but overall just a great day altogether!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfdog93
    What were the winning lap times in both classes ?

    How late can you ride there now ? I'm in my Miami office now (about 15 min from park) and would love to get in a lap after work tomorrow

    Thanks

    Our single-speed class had the fastest lap of the day...4 of us came in together with a 28.20...
    It was a near-vomit pace the whole way.....
    Sunset is 6PM right now....going up by about a minute every day or 2....

    I have no idea what the beginner wave lap times were...probably 32 or 33 for 1st place...

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    Quote Originally Posted by EXPERTRIDER
    Our single-speed class had the fastest lap of the day...4 of us came in together with a 28.20...
    It was a near-vomit pace the whole way.....
    Sunset is 6PM right now....going up by about a minute every day or 2....

    I have no idea what the beginner wave lap times were...probably 32 or 33 for 1st place...
    That's fast.

    Novice class winner was about 34 minutes.

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    Beginners were way slower than 32-33min. I don't think there was a beginner lower unless he was seriously sandbagging. There were a handful of sport that got down into the 31min mark but none lower than that.
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    I rode a 32.60 my 1st lap in 4th place. The #1 in my class had a 30.96. The course was fast.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GDubT
    ...and if you'd like to see how the lesser skilled riders handle the same course...

    <iframe title="YouTube video player" class="youtube-player" type="text/html" width="640" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/kHM9afr467U" frameborder="0" allowFullScreen></iframe>

    Good fun.

    Congrats Steve. Mike came in just ahead of me, so we're even now. Next race will be the rubber match, lol.
    Thanks. My wife said she thought he just beat you this time. That is really funny. He cracks me up talking about the adults who can't ride up the hills. Hang in there you will get better with time. Thanks for sharing the video.
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    Here is the card for the XC-2 30-39, and SS (most of it at least)

    There was quite a mess on the berm entering the first climb in Razorback...lost some time, but obviously I didn't make it up the other two laps. Comparing the results lets me know that I have a lot of work to do!
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    Wow the single speeds were flying. Here are the results from base 30 to 39

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    That's just crazy how an SS can put down the fastest lap in the field!! How is that even possible? I would think that the mechanical advantage of a geared bike is just way more than anyone on an SS could overcome if you're comparing Pro's with Pro's. I'm blown away.

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    Nice, you guys are lucky to have such a fast track.
    I've been riding JD lately and the white sugar sand makes for a complete opposite experience.....great workout none the less

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    Quote Originally Posted by smace
    Thanks. My wife said she thought he just beat you this time. That is really funny. He cracks me up talking about the adults who can't ride up the hills. Hang in there you will get better with time. Thanks for sharing the video.
    It definitely takes a lot of energy out of you when there's traffic jams going up every little hill. That's probably what killed me most. Good times though. Are you guys going to be back down for the remaining races?

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    I don't think I really had to shift very often during the race. I maybe use 2 to 3 gears the entire race.
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    Here are two race videos I shoot during the race this weekend. The 1st is from my class of the 30 to 39 base. The other is with my son racing the 9 to 11 year old class.


    CC#4 Amelia Earhart Park XC-30-39

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    CC#4 Amelia Earhart Park Kids 9 to 11

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    Yah Amelia isn't a gear heavy trail, requires good stam to keep the speed up.
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    I believe that for a relatively flat fast track the (appropriately geared) SS will be faster than a geared bike....add some significant hills and that will change.

    That said, even at the Dyer Hill landfill my lap time of just under 14 minutes on my SS (32 x 17) is better than my geared bike, though much steeper and I would be walking some or switching out cog.


    Quote Originally Posted by GDubT
    That's just crazy how an SS can put down the fastest lap in the field!! How is that even possible? I would think that the mechanical advantage of a geared bike is just way more than anyone on an SS could overcome if you're comparing Pro's with Pro's. I'm blown away.

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    I believe you guys, and I have no other SS experience other that my BMX bike when I was 12, but even if you only have to shift 2 or 3 times, that means if you're on a SS, you're in the wrong gear at least half the time. Is is the weight savings of an SS that makes up the diff? Why not just ride your geared bike in one speed?

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    DAMN, I just watched Drew Edsall's video of the race!! He might as well been on a 450cc...or some sort of rocket ship.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GDubT
    It definitely takes a lot of energy out of you when there's traffic jams going up every little hill. That's probably what killed me most. Good times though. Are you guys going to be back down for the remaining races?
    Yes we are going to finish the series.
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    Quote Originally Posted by GDubT
    I believe you guys, and I have no other SS experience other that my BMX bike when I was 12, but even if you only have to shift 2 or 3 times, that means if you're on a SS, you're in the wrong gear at least half the time. Is is the weight savings of an SS that makes up the diff? Why not just ride your geared bike in one speed?
    It's a combination of factors. I'm way faster on my SS than on my geared bike. I atribute it to the fact that on the SS I barely use the brakes for one, I don't have to think ever about shifting to any gear or missing a shift, on the SS I've noticed that all the power I put to the pedals goes right to the ground, no derailleur to rob you of power. I've noticed that for the most part on the climbs I save a lot of time. Not having the chice to shift makes me either pick up momentum before the climb and pedal thru it or get off the saddle and smash the u know what out of the pedals. I make up a lot of time on the climbs when compared to geared bikes. And that's just me that I've been ridding for 6-7 months I can tell you the guys I've seen that have been Ridding for a while is just insane the pace the go at. On a diff trail I'm sure geared bikes have the advantage but not at Amelia. IMHO.

    The trails feels so damn fast withte water that's taken. I'm loving it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GDubT
    ...and if you'd like to see how the lesser skilled riders handle the same course...

    <iframe title="YouTube video player" class="youtube-player" type="text/html" width="640" height="390" src="http://www.youtube.com/embed/kHM9afr467U" frameborder="0" allowFullScreen></iframe>

    Good fun.

    Congrats Steve. Mike came in just ahead of me, so we're even now. Next race will be the rubber match, lol.
    That guy in front of you half the time has a really nice singlespeed

    Seriously though, when I saw the camera on your helmet I was like "oh ****, going to see this on youtube later." I normally would have put up a better fight at the end there (when I let you by) but my hangover had gotten the better of me at that point (I know "excuses, excuses")... Also, I definitely learned a lesson when you went by me on that one climb at the beginning when it was all backed-up. I remember yelling some explicatives, thanks for adding the music

    A lot of people crashed in that one razorback section. When I went through there were 3 people laying at the bottom on either side (would have been me too a month ago).

    It was a great learning experience (first race) and well definitely be back again and again.

    Good race man!


    and thanks to EXPERTRIDER and all the other volunteers that make it a better place every weekend!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GDubT
    I believe you guys, and I have no other SS experience other that my BMX bike when I was 12, but even if you only have to shift 2 or 3 times, that means if you're on a SS, you're in the wrong gear at least half the time. Is is the weight savings of an SS that makes up the diff? Why not just ride your geared bike in one speed?
    No chain drops

    JK!!

    Seriously, I have asked a lot of the guys there and they are running like 34/17... that is tall, that means they can go just as fast top speed the pros (given the trail) with enough cadence. Also, these guys ride like this all the time so they have the power to make it up those climbs with tall gears. If you can recover from the climbs by the time the descent is over you can be going top speed again. And while Amelia is very fast, it isn't straight... you will always be limited by the turns. So if you are strong enough to make those tall gear climbs and in good enough shape to recover from them quickly then on this trail gears are not that much of an advantage. Obviously with time, those climbs wear even the fastest guys down... whereas the guys with gears can just pop into a lower gear and conserve energy.

    Another thing to consider, is the SS guys have to take the climbs faster, they don't have a choice if they want to make it up. Whereas the guys with gears can pace them self for all 3/4 laps by shifting down and going up a little slower (while seated). So the singlespeed guys are most likely doing all the climbs faster on the first lap or two combined with their fast pace on the other sections, while the pros are pacing themselves on the climbs to conserve energy and maintain a more constant speed/heartrate. Obviously, with time the SS guys get worn down form the extra exertion and their times suffer towards the end.

    I am only running 32/19 which suffers on the straights but have only been mountain biking since May (I am about ready to switch to 32/18 but didn't want to try it for the race). I used to think I wanted a geared bike to add to the stable for races and rides with my faster friends, but after seeing the guys racing here I want to make myself be faster with one gear. Its all for fun anyhow and I enjoy it a lot more than messing with gears.

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    How many laps did the novice class have to do? Also any confirmation on the novice class time?

    Not to hijack the thread but Im interested in novice racing... how is it setup for novice class? For example markham this coming weekend, if you are in novice class do they still make you do expert/pro trails?

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    Quote Originally Posted by driver145
    That guy in front of you half the time has a really nice singlespeed

    Seriously though, when I saw the camera on your helmet I was like "oh ****, going to see this on youtube later." I normally would have put up a better fight at the end there (when I let you by) but my hangover had gotten the better of me at that point (I know "excuses, excuses")... Also, I definitely learned a lesson when you went by me on that one climb at the beginning when it was all backed-up. I remember yelling some explicatives, thanks for adding the music

    A lot of people crashed in that one razorback section. When I went through there were 3 people laying at the bottom on either side (would have been me too a month ago).

    It was a great learning experience (first race) and well definitely be back again and again.

    Good race man!




    and thanks to EXPERTRIDER and all the other volunteers that make it a better place every weekend!!
    Hey man, I was hung over too so don't give me that!! lol!!

    Did you have on the dark shirt with the pattern down the middle of the back? Or did you have the black sleeveless shirt?

    Yeah, I totally was wiped out by the time I got to the razorback climb and had to bail. I subsequently washed out my front wheel right before the last drop just cause I was so tired.

    It crazy because I do 2 and 3 flawless laps when I'm by myself or with friends, but add in all the factors of racing and it totally kicks your ass.

    Quote Originally Posted by driver145
    No chain drops
    Yeah. lol.


    Quote Originally Posted by driver145
    Another thing to consider, is the SS guys have to take the climbs faster, they don't have a choice if they want to make it up. Whereas the guys with gears can pace them self for all 3/4 laps by shifting down and going up a little slower (while seated). So the singlespeed guys are most likely doing all the climbs faster on the first lap or two combined with their fast pace on the other sections, while the pros are pacing themselves on the climbs to conserve energy and maintain a more constant speed/heartrate. Obviously, with time the SS guys get worn down form the extra exertion and their times suffer towards the end.
    The SS times really did drop the second lap, so that makes sense that the SS guys were going up climbs faster and not being able to pace themselves like geared guys who put down more consistent laps. Makes sense now. Thanks for the explanation.
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    Not sure who the post was to, but I had the black shirt w/ the pattern down the back. Its not a jersey, just something Nike makes, but it has a nice "loose" compression and very breathable.

    I think also what many scratch their heads at is the fact that most people blow away their times when the trail is in its normal direction. When it was significantly cooler this winter, I would do 5-6 laps back to back and average 30min per lap. I am from Michigan, so when its colder I am more in my element, and ride more efficient. Also the racing aspect slows some times since it is singletrack, and you don't always have an opportunity to pass to maintain your speed.
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    I'm the sleeveless black shirt guy.

    Last weekend I had done two laps and my second was 40min. I over did it at the beginning for sure and combined with the hangover I completely bonked halfway through and barely made it to the end. I rode from the finish line to my car, puked, and drove home lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dubdryver
    Not sure who the post was to, but I had the black shirt w/ the pattern down the back. Its not a jersey, just something Nike makes, but it has a nice "loose" compression and very breathable.

    I think also what many scratch their heads at is the fact that most people blow away their times when the trail is in its normal direction. When it was significantly cooler this winter, I would do 5-6 laps back to back and average 30min per lap. I am from Michigan, so when its colder I am more in my element, and ride more efficient. Also the racing aspect slows some times since it is singletrack, and you don't always have an opportunity to pass to maintain your speed.
    Yeah, it's definitely less demanding of a trail when it runs the normal direction. I've ridden it in reverse on two other occasions leading up to the race and and needed some time to recover after the razorback section both times.

    Quote Originally Posted by driver145
    I'm the sleeveless black shirt guy.

    Last weekend I had done two laps and my second was 40min. I over did it at the beginning for sure and combined with the hangover I completely bonked halfway through and barely made it to the end. I rode from the finish line to my car, puked, and drove home lol.
    Nice. I caught some footage around 7:00 in my video of someone yakking mid-race. That sucks. You feel tons better after though.

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    Wow, lots of discussion on our lap times. I'll give my opinion- 3 of the single speed riders were riding full-rigid super light bikes. My Superfly SS weighs in at 19lbs. So, we have slightly lighter bikes (no gears=2lbs lighter) and most of us are running pretty big gears. For the first lap, we really were constantly on the gas...no relaxing, no easy pedaling anywhere..it was full muscle with no mistakes the whole lap. The headwind on the long straight at the start just negated the advantage of gears.
    So, we were able to turn a faster first lap. The high pace made me suffer off the pace, but we all slowed down a little (the muscles were getting heavily worked!)
    Drew is in better fitness than any of us, and he could have turned a faster lap than us, but then one of the other laps would be slower...and the fastest way to the finish line is equal lap times!
    In regular expert class, I can often turn equal lap times....but in SS, no chance!
    Also, there were about 8 expert racers in that SS class!! It was basically an expert SS class!

    In other news: we received a great donation of 10- 15' trees from Arazoza Brothers Nursery for the trails. I started clearing the area in Coffee trail where the trees will be going....its going to look great when finished!
    This coming weekend is the Markham race, and the backhoe is being repaired, so there probably won't be any big trail projects done this week......whew!

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    Its not race footage and I'm far from an expert, but I put together this little video to highlight riding Amelia now that its reversed. This was taken the week before the race and the high point at Razorback was still loose rock...



    I'll hopefully have the second part of the lap done sometime next week. Let me know what you think.

    Thank you Stephen for all your hard work and everybody else who has helped you out.

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    Thameth,
    Video looks great.
    Which camera did you use ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Surfdog93
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    Video looks great.
    Which camera did you use ?
    Thanx man, its a GoProHD using the Chesty mount...

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    Quote Originally Posted by Thameth
    Thanx man, its a GoProHD using the Chesty mount...
    Excellent thanks, seems much smoother than some of the other videos I've seen
    I'll pick one of those up.

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    I rode Amelia yesterday for the first time since probably August or September of last year. The trail is in great shape, and the reverse direction is really cool! It really did feel like a completely new trail.

    I liked the new "bmx" section in the back and all of the improvements to the trails (new berms, fixing the key biscayne hill, fixing the hill in lil razorback, etc.). It was nice to see a good number of people out there.

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    Not really Amelia related, but here's my vid from the next race in the series.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/showthread.ph...48#post7720248

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    Another great FYI:
    Yesterday I spoke in front of the full Miami-Dade County Commission talking about the trails project.
    It was televised (you can watch it replayed on the MDCC website- I'm the 2nd speaker in the public comments section towards the beginning) Copy and paste this link:

    http://miamidade.gov/wps/portal/Main/webcasting/!ut/p/c5/04_SB8K8xLLM9MSSzPy8xBz9CP0os3hnQ29jA38vF18311ALA0 __QHcTf2NHAyAAykcC5d0dPUzMfQwM_I3CDAyM_EyDAw1Cg40N PI0J6A4H2YdfP0jeAAdwNND388jPTdUvyI0wyDJxVAQAkFYWdg !!/dl3/d3/L2dBISEvZ0FBIS9nQSEh/

    Anyway, Chairman Joe Martinez stepped up quickly and within 24 hours of that meeting, he has delivered over 200 helmets to be given to any kid (or person) that doesn't have a helmet to ride the trails!
    I will be giving these away immediately, and I will look for a few park regulars to help with distribution to anyone that needs one!!
    THe helmets are actually pretty nice!

    Also, as you will see in the meeting, several other Commissioners offered major help with some of our trail projects, and I have meetings setup with the 4 that asked to meet with me for further discussion......(yes, 4 Commissioners want to help with our project!)

    THis is HUGE news! Tommorrow (Thursday, Feb 3rd) crews have already been directed to pick up a new backhoe for us to use for the planting of the new trees, and trail construction!!

    Things are happening fast!

    Also, the biggest and most incredible result of that meeting, is the trailhead construction project.

    This is a MAJOR, grant funded project that will build a beautiful trailhead area with large bathrooms, bike washdown area, and meeting rooms!! Also a parking lot and area beautification....this is just incredible!

    THe master-plan was developed several years ago, but the trails project seemed very unlikely to ever move forward (we're talking BIG bucks!)....but now it has gained some serious political priority and some grant funding was discovered.....

    I fully intend Amelia to become a major MTB facility...with a completely built-out trail system containing the coolest features anywhere....
    Our work is just beginning.......

    You heard it all here first.....stay tuned!!!!!!

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