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    Quote Originally Posted by Firemedix911
    Do it. The trail is perfect. No more mud. You'll love it.
    Thanks. I've ben out there twice in the past month - it's my new favorite spot. The flow and speed beat Oleta, my former favorite.

    I'm there tomorrow morning - will see if my legs can take 4 laps after the short absence.
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    We added an awesome new section next to the Key Biscayne climb! [1pm on Sat Nov 13th 2010]- That miserable right-handed hairpin turn before magic carpet has been eliminated! Now, a jump/drop-off takes you straight out towards the lake, thru a new berm (still have to fine tune it) and back into a new climb into magic carpet. Its seems to be a 1000% improvement over the previous section......someone give me some feedback!.....enjoy!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by EXPERTRIDER
    We added an awesome new section next to the Key Biscayne climb! [1pm on Sat Nov 13th 2010]- That miserable right-handed hairpin turn before magic carpet has been eliminated! Now, a jump/drop-off takes you straight out towards the lake, thru a new berm (still have to fine tune it) and back into a new climb into magic carpet. Its seems to be a 1000% improvement over the previous section......someone give me some feedback!.....enjoy!!
    Can't quite picture in my mind what you are talking about, but then again I'm retarded. It sounds fun though. Will get back to you as soon as I can get out there.

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    hated that hairpin... thought it was a useless part of that track... cannot wait to ride it..
    thanks again..

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    I will be out there mon. morning for sure, but if you say you got rid of that hairpin turn..I am nothing but sad faces Yah right...that was definitely the worst part of the part, it really didn't flow with the rest of the park what so ever! I wanted to get out there this morning and help w/ maintenance, but a friend asked me to ride Markham.. Very excited to see the improvement on hairpin and magic carpet!!!!
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    EXPERT, what about putting trash cans around to keep up with ppl throwing trash everywhere? I guess they'd have to be hauled out every now and then though... Is there a place close to Amelia to dump trash at?

    Edit: next time i go riding, I'm hitting Amelia up with everyone else I can muster

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    Really there is no reason why you can't take your trash with you. The only think you should be leaving is tire tracks and foot prints! I know in theory that's how its suppose to work, but but its a trickle effect, it starts with you and I...but then again, I don't litter or leave trash.
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    i ride markham ~4 to 5 days a week.... i been wanting to ride amelia but i am unsure how to get there... i live in broward next to FLL.... someone post up directions from I95/I595...

    would like to know how to get to oleita and quiet waters also......

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    We have a few trash cans in the trails: top of Chupacabra hill, picnic benches in lil Razorback, the old playground in the swamp, etc.... It's a pain because the park doesn't really have a way to get back there to empty those cans, so we have to do it!
    I emptied all of the cans this week and put double trash bags in the cans. Hopefully we can keep up with it going forward! After the cleanup last week, any little piece of garbage really stands out now! If everyone could please just try to help with picking up anything really obvious, it helps so much. Once someone sees trash on the ground, they have no problem just throwing more down....and it keeps going...

    I think things are really looking nice and pristine in the trails right now! I haven't even been able to ride the new section that we just built next to KB climb!
    WE also starting putting the fill in place for the new berm for the last corner in Coffee trail (its the one that gets really muddy).
    I've also starting moving some dirt around in the BMX extension at the hairpin in lil Razorback. Once complete (maybe 2 weeks away) you will continue straight thru the hairpin turn and out into the open area, over some new jumps, back up onto the area where the white fill is, then down and back into lil Razorback at the top of where the hairpin turn is now....
    Everything should be ready to go for the December race!!!! Enjoy....

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    Im goin to go ride Amelia in a few minutes.. Expert, do you have a trail map with the names on the trail. I would love to give you feedback on the new climb, but honestly im not sure what trail it is.

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    ... and if we just ...

    I don't know any of the trails by name, but I am sure to check out the trails again soon!!!
    Maybe this week
    Thanks for all the hard work guys!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by EXPERTRIDER
    We added an awesome new section next to the Key Biscayne climb! [1pm on Sat Nov 13th 2010]- That miserable right-handed hairpin turn before magic carpet has been eliminated! Now, a jump/drop-off takes you straight out towards the lake, thru a new berm (still have to fine tune it) and back into a new climb into magic carpet. Its seems to be a 1000% improvement over the previous section......someone give me some feedback!.....enjoy!!
    I don't know which section of the trail is called "Magic Carpet", but I think I know which hairpin turn you're talking about...the one where you have to brake going through it because it's angled downward towards the outside of the turn, and then goes straight into a mound. If it's the turn I'm thinking of, then THANK YOU! I hated that little turn!

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    I rode the new section that we opened Saturday afternoon (next to KB climb, by the lake), it's a million times better than the old hairpin turn! The new berm still needs a good rain and some re-shaping, but it's a huge improvement!
    If you get a chance, take a peek out into the BMX area (at the hairpin turn in lil Razorback)
    We started the rough draft of the first giant double-jump...it's around 6' high!
    The second double will be identical, just about 30' further down the trail.
    We will be out of town at the Alva race this weekend, so the BMX extension may take another week to complete, but it'll be awesome!!

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    Yeah my same exact thoughts expert. It looks like it may rain tomorrow so that should do it for that berm. It'll be a good test as well for the work you did on filling trick or treat. That hairpin used to kick mu you know what. On my SS it was a hard turn although the one I can never make on my SS is the Lil Razorback. That one still gets me. I saw the down trees and stuff so I suspected that some work had been done but I've been having issues dropping the chain so I just wanted to get out of there. I'll make sure I check it out tomorrow.

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    I am not trying to sound like a hater, but I can just see it now...more ambulances at Amelia. Oleta got rid of the jumps at Area 52 for that reason. I don't mind jumps, and like the ones already on the trail, but adding big BMX jumps will just attract kids. They will most likely be riding a bike inadaquite for jumping, and many might not even have helmets.

    If you wanted to do something for BMX, i'd say put in a pump track with some sort of wooden start ramp and let them race on that..impliment some large berms and some table tops and stuff.

    The main thing is to make it safe, that is one of the greatest traits of Amelia that I tell everyone wanting to improve at MTB or get into it as a sport. The trails at Amelia can provide that.

    I do appreciate all the hard work that has been put into the trails, but I am not sure that it is in the park's best interest to have a bunch of big jumps that there is a lot of potential for people to get hurt on, and I am not refering to avid riders that are capable of doing it. Im speaking of the inexperienced kids that are on sub-par bikes and novice skills.
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    Dub,

    A few things to note about the jumps:
    I am HUGE on safety and making sure no one gets hurt! I've been a paramedic for over 23 years (wow!) and both me and the park manager want things to be SAFE!
    The jumps are only built in that area because it is already an advanced section with signs indicating such. Also, the jumps can simply be "rolled thru", which seems to be what all beginner-level riders do anyway. I have only seen more advanced riders clearing all of the doubles.
    The open area at the end of lil Razor is planned to have a full, red-clay NBL/USA cycling sanctioned BMX track built very soon! The developer is working thru the extensive approval process with the County to get the required approval and contracts.
    A BMX-themed MTB trail will surround the BMX track....but,
    Since we have several MTB races scheduled for the next several months, I wanted to put some "temporary" features in the area to eliminate that miserable hairpin in Razorback!
    The BMX-themed trail will actually begin where we are working now, it will just follow a little closer to the fence-line and around the center area.
    As for a pump-track...my idea is to make the BMX themed trail around the BMX track a full pump track style trail!! I have the tools and material, I just need some more time to finish clearing the garbage and crap piled up along the fence area. My worked got stopped because we found giant piles of concrete light poles and concrete parking curbs....those suckers are seriously heavy. You may have noticed that I have begun to use some of that material in the trail.
    After I get that stuff moved, I'll continue to clear that land, and start work on the absolutely coolest and most bad-ass pump-track trail anywhere!!!! ...
    As for the dumb-asses with Wal-Mart Bikes and no helmets going into the advanced sections....I let them know that they have to leave the trail....now....and I explain the rules...unfortunately me and the other (very few) MTB patrol members are the only ones that seem to enforce the helmet required policy...and everywhere seems to have the same problem....

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    Well it sounds very promising, and based on the work done to the park, I have no doubts that it will compliment the rest of the trails really well. In my book, Amelia is most well maintained park in S. FL. and I know it has made a difference. Every day I show up to the trails there is at least 4-5 other cars, and another 5-6 when I leave. One year ago, there might be one other car, and that was it! So the work that has been put into the park is nothing short of exemplary!

    I don't doubt your ability to make the trails safe, and I do say something if I see riders w/o helmets on, regardless of what kind of bike they are riding, but it is Hialeah, and there is always kids being kids in the park.

    One thing that I would like to mention, and I don't know if there is some way to make it happen is to slow people down hauling ass down the gravel road. Posted speed limit in the park is 15 MPH, and people average 20-25 some well over 30 on an unimproved road, at this rate, it will have to be regraveled again by spring. I just hate to see all the money put into making that gravel road nice get tore up.

    Either way though, Great Job by the maintenance crew, and keep up the great work!
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    i asked once before and got no answer.... i go to oleta and markham... but i do not know where amelia is....

    would someone PLEASE tell me where amelia is??

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    Quote Originally Posted by paco664
    i asked once before and got no answer.... i go to oleta and markham... but i do not know where amelia is....

    would someone PLEASE tell me where amelia is??
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    Amelia is in Hialeah at 65st and east 4th ave,google it so you can have an idea of how to get to the park but is really easy to get there.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RSANT994
    thanks... i work at MIA and take the palmetto to get to 36th and the backside of the airport....

    so i will take 68th the whole way to 65th and 4th..... sweet....

    i may run by there in the morning after work... thank you!!

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    East 4th ave end right at the entrance of the park.Good luck
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    i think u said you're coming from broward,well get palmeto and get off nw 37 ave make a left toward the opa-locka Airport then make a right at 65st the park is two blocks ahead.!!!!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Red_Ant
    i think u said you're coming from broward,well get palmeto and get off nw 37 ave make a left toward the opa-locka Airport then make a right at 65st the park is two blocks ahead.!!!!!!
    perfect!!! thanks...

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    if you work in MIA just take Lejeune Rd North and you'll run straight into the park...
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    If you are coming from the Palmetto, its easier to take Gratigny Parkway.

    Exit Red Road (first exit). Head south (meaning make a right from the offramp)

    Make a left at the first major intersection (W. 65th St.) there will be a Chevron and Shell station on both sides of the intersection.

    Take that through the curve and go down about 1/4mile. During that time, you will see Amelia Earnhart park on the left hand side.

    Make a left at the intersection of W.65th St and E. 4th Ave into the park.

    You will continue down until you get close to the Dog Park.

    Turn Right down the the gravel road just after the Dog Park. You then have a choice to park at the bike wash, or continue down to the trailhead and park.
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    Pacco if u can't find the park now,you'll never gonna find it.lol
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    I'm going to have to read this thread more tomorrow, so subscribed ...

    Being that this track is in the ghetto; how's it safety wise leaving your car alone for a while while riding vs oleta or markham? The location is very central, so that is a plus.. and obviously having somewhere other than oleta and markham is always a plus, for a change, lol..

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    Quote Originally Posted by ReD_tomato
    if you work in MIA just take Lejeune Rd North and you'll run straight into the park...
    Can't get simpler than that.. OR take 122 street from west Hia and it'll be on your left..
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    I don't think you will have a problem, I haven't heard of any cases of theft or vandalism, and I have been going to Amelia 2-3 times a week for the last year.

    The nice thing about Amelia now, is that there is a lot more people riding there than before. Last year this time, there might be 1-2 cars for MTB. Now there's usually 6-10, and the trails aren't that long, so there is always people going in and coming out. Now if you are showing up in a car that costs $100k or more, well you are always looking for trouble regardless of where you are at in S. FL.
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    Thanks for doing so much work down there..... I'll be taking the 29er SS there today for a few laps.....
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    Thanks everyone for noticing the work we've been doing!!

    As for the previous comment about Amelia being "in the ghetto"....

    First, it may come as a surprise, but there are no ghetto areas in Hialeah. The area around Amelia has a small section of low-income housing along the west border, but the area is safe.
    I've been working in Hialeah for 20 years. I used to work for another Fire department in Broward, and I can certainly tell you that Hialeah is not ghetto! Places in Miami, deadly ghetto! Some places in Broward, fairly ghetto...but in Hialeah, not really...

    In the past 3 weeks, several cars have been broken into at Markham Park (2 of my wifes friends included- by the dog park).
    Amelia has had 3 break-ins into cars in all of 2010. 1 was at the trail head, and that was in Feb, before the crowds starting showing up.
    Another was parked way over by the lake (alone), and another was up by the bathrooms- far away from the trail-head.

    We now have park officers patrolling not only the parking area, but also driving thru the trail service roads all day, and all night.

    I think Amelia is certainly as safe as any park, but none are perfect!

    We are placing borders along the trail access road this week. This will make it much more difficult for anyone to sneak around by the lake to create problems. All vehicles will have to travel the full length of the road until they are near the trail head.
    I think this will further help with security.
    I see many elderly people walking thru the trails, and a fairly large group of cars there every day, all day.
    It's a big change from a year ago!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by GreenLightGo
    I'll be out Saturday - black rigid SS Karate Monkey.
    Hope to see ya there man . We will be there at around 10 am
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    Quote Originally Posted by Biohazard74
    Hope to see ya there man . We will be there at around 10 am
    I'll be there shortly after. Picking up my riding buddy at 9:30ish. We'll both be on singlespeeds.
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    Kool man ! See ya there
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    Quote Originally Posted by EXPERTRIDER
    The open area at the end of lil Razor is planned to have a full, red-clay NBL/USA cycling sanctioned BMX track built very soon! The developer is working thru the extensive approval process with the County to get the required approval and contracts.
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    THIS is music to my ears!! While the BMX track will be cool, the part that has me dancing is that the park will clearly be getting a large shipment of red clay!!!

    While I love Amelia, and sooooo greatly appreciate all the hard work you guys have been doing. My only real complaint is the white "gravel" used for fill, its a bit of a mess to ride on especially on some of the early berms and sections where you have to do any turning (I've already washed out a few times... my fault of course).

    Please, please, PLEASE! Can we start a fund raiser NOW so that when the red clay is ordered we can order a few TONS more for the MTB trails to use as fill and berms in the future?? That would put Amelia over the top because even some of the surfaces at Oleta and Markham are horrible sometimes because of the rocky limestone crap we use for fill down here in South Florida.

    One of the best parts about MTB riding anywhere north of Orlando in the rest of the country is that you're riding on real black dirt or some sort of clay with real grip and not many rocks.

    I'd put down money towards the fund raiser RIGHT NOW!

    BTW, I rode the trail today for the first time since the bridge section has opened an I loved it! As someone who was riding it about 2 times a week I see work done to the trail each time I ride it lately and I'm loving it!
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    I'd also chip in right now for the clay for the trails.
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    The clay is a really fun surface that grips great.....BUT....it washes away like nothing else...
    That's why all of the BMX tracks have to cover everything after every race..
    When I'm riding in N Georgia or the Carolinas, they have entire mountains made of red clay! If the surface washes away, no big deal, there's 1000 more feet still there.

    We actually have a pretty big stash of red clay at Amelia now (about 40 cu.yards).
    I thought about covering the berms, but I'm not convinced that it'll hold up.

    I like the idea though........you just might see a test berm VERY soon made from red clay....stay tuned.............and if you DO see a new red-clay berm...I want feedback!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by EXPERTRIDER
    The clay is a really fun surface that grips great.....BUT....it washes away like nothing else...
    That's why all of the BMX tracks have to cover everything after every race..
    When I'm riding in N Georgia or the Carolinas, they have entire mountains made of red clay! If the surface washes away, no big deal, there's 1000 more feet still there.

    We actually have a pretty big stash of red clay at Amelia now (about 40 cu.yards).
    I thought about covering the berms, but I'm not convinced that it'll hold up.

    I like the idea though........you just might see a test berm VERY soon made from red clay....stay tuned.............and if you DO see a new red-clay berm...I want feedback!!
    Looks like we just missed each other today, You passed by Key Biscayne today while we were finishing up right? I was driving the black Ford Ranger that we had to squeeze by each other on the fire road when I spoke to Frenchy.

    Oleta has a few clay berms and they have been holding up pretty well, though they do need eventual reshaping after some time in the elements. We built the berm for the new Area 51 at Oleta and it did take a pounding after the first rain, but after another reshape it seems to be holding up now that its nice and packed. It does get pretty dusty in the dry though, but it rides great with no worries of wash outs.

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    Expert, I rode a few days ago Bio and a few other frieds... Wow... What a change. What you're doing is incredible... I mean, the bridge alone... LOL! Looked like something built by an entire professional construction crew. Trail maint wise, you're putting the Markham and Oleta crews to shame!

    I only get to ride once a week, so I usually opt out of doing maint because that would be my only day to ride... but I'd help ya out in Amelia any day!

    Not sure if you have a FB group going, but if you don't, you should.

    Anyway, just wanted to write a few lines to say THANK YOU!!!!!!!!

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    A gentleman was out grooming the pedal berms (dont remember the name of the trail) but they were absolutely fantastic! All the gravel on the base was removed. I think once the rain hit those it really helped concrete them in and will be pretty durable from here on out! Great work guys!
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    Thanks everyone for the comments about our work!!
    Our goal is simple, to make Amelia the best trails around, with lots of exciting and challenging features, and create the entire trails area to look like a true park setting!!
    Our first step is to get the trail surface really nice and fast. (no mud, smooth, good drainage, etc..) Next, we're trying to open things up to make it very easy to maintain.
    Invasive weeds and junk plants need to go, and every trail needs to be accessed by commercial mowers and equipment. We need to make it so that the trails can be keep clear and groomed with minimal effort (I DO like to ride too!!)
    Me, my brother Frank, and Mikee Pedrera have been the guys that you see working on the trails this year. Some other volunteers have been out to help with some of the projects : Allain, Javier, Ulysees, and many others!
    We're really trying to show off the trails at the December 5th Florida CC race that is coming up.
    I'd love any help with cleaning up any trash that any of you may encounter during your ride.
    I have a good list of things that we need to finish before the Dec race, but I'm always open to ideas if you have something in mind!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by EXPERTRIDER
    Thanks everyone for the comments about our work!!
    Our goal is simple, to make Amelia the best trails around, with lots of exciting and challenging features, and create the entire trails area to look like a true park setting!!
    Our first step is to get the trail surface really nice and fast. (no mud, smooth, good drainage, etc..) Next, we're trying to open things up to make it very easy to maintain.
    Invasive weeds and junk plants need to go, and every trail needs to be accessed by commercial mowers and equipment. We need to make it so that the trails can be keep clear and groomed with minimal effort (I DO like to ride too!!)
    Me, my brother Frank, and Mikee Pedrera have been the guys that you see working on the trails this year. Some other volunteers have been out to help with some of the projects : Allain, Javier, Ulysees, and many others!
    We're really trying to show off the trails at the December 5th Florida CC race that is coming up.
    I'd love any help with cleaning up any trash that any of you may encounter during your ride.
    I have a good list of things that we need to finish before the Dec race, but I'm always open to ideas if you have something in mind!!!
    I'm racing the 5th - yellow wave SS class. I'll be the guy in last place come finish time

    I've got a few days off coming - am able to help 29th or 30 of Nov if you need a hand.
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    SS class is fun! It's a LOT faster then many people realize! I just did the Alva race in SS...fun and fast!! It's really an expert-level class. SS gives up a couple of minutes on the straights, and if you look at the last race times, the laps between expert and SS were close!!
    We'll be dabbling with a little work over this week, and a big workday is the 27th...maybe even the 28th if we really decide to do something crazy!! I'll probably be off of work on the 30th....just finishing touches stuff (spreading much, mowing anything that needs it, prettying things up...) I could always use a hand...
    I'll do the main course marking and taping on Friday evening the 3rd of Dec....It'll be a really fun course that should make for some exciting racing!!

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    Just rode it Sunday again.. Loved it trails are in such great shape!.. I see you added cement barriers at some of the forks like I had mention a few weeks ago. Great work!

    Do you have a trail map?

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    New Trails at Amelia Earheart

    Expertrider - Thank you. I rode the trails last sunday when I was in Miami for the weekend and can say that these are the best trails in S. Florida. The trails flow very well and are not confusing like they used to be. The new features are great. At 9:00 am, there were quite a few cars in the parking lot. I don't know what happened to the park attendant that day, but no one was collecting money at the gate......another reason for a great day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YaMon
    Expertrider - Thank you. I rode the trails last sunday when I was in Miami for the weekend and can say that these are the best trails in S. Florida. The trails flow very well and are not confusing like they used to be. The new features are great. At 9:00 am, there were quite a few cars in the parking lot. I don't know what happened to the park attendant that day, but no one was collecting money at the gate......another reason for a great day.
    I don't know at what time the park start collecting money at the gate but if anyone gets to the park before 9:30 you don't have to pay i think the person at the gate start at 10:00 i've been as late as 9:45 and the gate had been opened and nobody to collect the cash.
    Roy

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