Oh, hey, Wait a Moment...
OK, we're all a little caught up in the Moment. Let me try and address some of the questions in this thread.
1. Id geometry was originally measured with Manitou Black, 120mm fork--the first fork in that 5" XC able fork class years ago when the Id was introduced. Thus the high BB, high standover rep that developed as time went on with longer XC-able forks, fatter XC-able tires, and the Romic shock, which is 1/8" longer then the Fox TC the Id was originally designed for. All this got the Id kinda on the high side--some love that, some hate it, some just love riding it regardless, but that my friends is what's up with Id geometry changing as time has progressed. If an Id today was set up in the XC fashion I designed it to be originally-it would still meet those original specs. But I myself run a little wider tire (taller too) and a Fox 125mm fork on the bike, and the BB height doesn't stop me from really enjoying that bike. But I like rooted, rocky technical rides, and the higher BB isn't a hindrance in that terrain. Recently I rode a trail called Viper in LA area… For that you needed a pedal draggin' sled… Different style riding. Fast loose and steeeeep, and fairly smooth?! For that, I'd configure that Id in the 5" mode which drops the BB and rakes back the head angle. That requires the use of a 7.5 x 2" shock. Bolts right on-and due to the Instant Center Tracking, the bike still pedals and stuff perfectly. Sorry, lot's of information-but much has been speculated on this subject, just thought I'd set the record strait.
2. We usually measure stand over to the top of the center of the top tube...you know, where you actually "stand over" the bike. I'll talk to the webmaster about the arrow on the specs page on the new site.
3. Moment geometry for production was just finalized last week. I ask to have the web geometry reflect production as soon as I finalized what I wanted it to be when all was said and done. It looks like it's been done. So what you see there on the new site, is what production will be WITH the equipment we measured with. I would say you could expect to see around .5 degree, and maybe .25" variance from tires and fork combos--but if that's critical to you, pay attention to the build.
4. Just as a helpful pointer--unofficially. Make sure ESPECIALLY mail order of course, that you verify the dealer your giving money to for a deposit WILL be getting Moments. And if not, you can get your deposit back.
5. The first build of these bikes (there IS limited production of this bike this year) is about 70% sold through. Assuming everything goes smoothly in Quality Control, the first ones would ship in late April...May. There is much that has to go right to hit those ship dates.
6. The bike is really neat. It accelerates like the Truth, but your down in it like the Joker. It's plush like the old dare (OLD '98)--but stronger and stiffer. It's got a low railing feeling to it, without being a pedal draggin' sled... And a stable wheelbase without turning like a tandem...I've really pleased with the frame. I'm looking forward to having a ton of fun with it.
7. I too love the feeling of the Joker--The Moment has a lot of those "feel" characteristics, in all the refinement and wonder that is and Instant Center Tracking four bar link...
OK, I've rambled enough...I like bikes. Cheers,
Tony