• 12-26-2012
    Tone's
    Why should the peoples posts in the OC n rep not be counted, i'll tell you now the OC is the beating heart of this place, the biggest posters of this site have a community there, they dont just hang out there, they are all over the forum giving advise and help, theres no rules here that say people arnt allowed to be social and make friends, theres only so much one can talk about bikes.
    Prime example of the flip side is that in the fat bike forum and every forum, people look after their mates, it goes on all the time in state forums and bike forums, so why is the OC forum any different?
    And yes you did say the OC should be abolished, its in your post.....
  • 12-26-2012
    joshh
    Doesn't every forum need an off topic place like the OC? It definitely keeps the clutter down in other sections. Do you want to click on Passion to see a bunch of posts about who cooked what for dinner, or read about who's listening to what type of music? The OC is a necessary evil.
  • 12-26-2012
    Vespasianus
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    Suck it up princess, i stated in my original post that im no saint, if you were one of the muppets that copped for good reason, one suck it up, and what are you doing here in the OC after youve clearly stated you think it should be abolished and its stupid, ive clearly stated ive sent a few before, and for yourself, looks like it couldnt have gone to a bigger dribbler, cheers mate n happy christmas..:thumbsup:


    That is pretty good. The question is did you get a negative in return for this? Do you have any negatives as good?

    I posted that the whole rep system is flawed and provided no real value and suggested a way to protest by negative repping the owner of the boards (francois). Instead the 5 or 6 people I gave negative reps to *****ed and moaned like a bunch of cry babies. The funniest thing was that the leader of that pack, was given a negative rep by mistake. I actually just quoted him and it looks like I hit the wrong button. But the turns out to have made my point.

    The whole rep thing (positive) is a stupid popularity contest by a bunch of 8 year old girls. The fact that someone with all those rep points would get their panties in a wad over a negative rep is just hilarious. Give a negative rep to a person with low reps and nobody cares. Give it to certain people and the tampons fly.

    So tell me, what do people think the rep system provides? Do you trust a person with more rep points more? Is anyone giving out negative reps not out of retaliation?
  • 12-26-2012
    StiHacka
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Vespasianus View Post
    The whole rep thing (positive) is a stupid popularity contest by a bunch of 8 year old girls. The fact that someone with all those rep points would get their panties in a wad over a negative rep is just hilarious. Give a negative rep to a person with low reps and nobody cares. Give it to certain people and the tampons fly.

    Am I getting this right? -> you do not care about something but you still feel the urge to intervene just to get people agitated
  • 12-26-2012
    wmac
    For me, the rep system is a deconstructive satire of social games (particularly those developed by Zynga) whose core gameplay only involves clicking on items at certain intervals, de-emphasizing the artistic aspects of video games in favor of promoting social interaction and monetization.
  • 12-26-2012
    AZ
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    Am I getting this right? -> you do not care about something but you still feel the urge to intervene just to get people agitated





    Yep, he cared so little that he logged on solely to anonymously negative rep people without posting any useful content what so ever. And he cares so little that he continues to post on the matter. Hypocrite much?
  • 12-26-2012
    marpilli
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by apocalypso View Post
    I'm not defending anyone for anything, but the Passion forum ain't what it used to be.

    Says the guy who's been a member since December 2012. ;)

    C'mon and fess-up. Who are you? :D
  • 12-26-2012
    heyyall
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by marpilli View Post
    Says the guy who's been a member since December 2012. ;)

    C'mon and fess-up. Who are you? :D

    December 23, to be specific.
  • 12-26-2012
    marpilli
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by apocalypso View Post
    I guy that has spent way too much time worrying about his "reputation.":D

    Happy 2013!

    Please, make the best of it.:thumbsup:

    :lol:

    And, how'd that work out for you? ;)
  • 12-26-2012
    wmac
    I also want to state that none of those rep threads were exclusive. The main people In the thread were begging people to join the fun. It really didn't take long before we couldn't rep each other anyway. A lot of my rep came from reciprocal rep outside the OC when people would leave positive comments on other threads I started OR from people who I would positive rep for keeping a heated discussion civil.

    Rep IS a social network game - nothing more. People complained and the rule makers discriminated against a group who figured out a way to, without breaking the rules, get the most points. Period. It means nothing more than a high score on FarmVille or surviving the Cowpocalypse.

    Some people were using the game to be mean and malicious with hate speech. I think that is the root of the problems with the rep system. But it's no different than playing Call of Duty against a bunch of foul-mouthed 12 year olds.

    All I've got to say to anyone who is all butthurt about the rep system: Leeroy Jenkins.
  • 12-26-2012
    Vespasianus
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    Yep, he cared so little that he logged on solely to anonymously negative rep people without posting any useful content what so ever. And he cares so little that he continues to post on the matter. Hypocrite much?

    Dude, that is bull crap. I did not log on, send a negative post and log out. I doubt anyone would do that. And your damn thing was an error. That was actually your statement that was posted and quoted, that I actually thought was funny. It actually looks like I hit the wrong button. However, it makes my point quite well. As you said in your post, when you go negative, make it good.

    I never said I don't care.
  • 12-26-2012
    wmac
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Vespasianus View Post
    Dude, that is bull crap. I did not log on, send a negative post and log out. I doubt anyone would do that. And your damn thing was an error. That was actually your statement that was posted and quoted, that I actually thought was funny. It actually looks like I hit the wrong button. However, it makes my point quite well. As you said in your post, when you go negative, make it good.

    I never said I don't care.

    A PM stating such would have gone a long way in your case. I know it did in the times I accidentally neg repped someone.
  • 12-26-2012
    joshh
    I think the rep thing is funny. The first couple neg I got, I was like WTF and sent PM's. But then I realized there's little to no reason to give a **** about the rep. It's just fun to see the comments left with them.

    This is what several folks use it for though.

  • 12-26-2012
    Vespasianus
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wmac View Post
    A PM stating such would have gone a long way in your case. I know it did in the times I accidentally neg repped someone.

    Actually, I did not know until he posted it.
  • 12-26-2012
    Vespasianus
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by StiHacka View Post
    Am I getting this right? -> you do not care about something but you still feel the urge to intervene just to get people agitated

    That is not correct. I never said I did not care.
  • 12-26-2012
    DIRTJUNKIE
    A
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by joshh View Post
    I think the rep thing is funny. The first couple neg I got, I was like WTF and sent PM's. But then I realized there's little to no reason to give a **** about the rep. It's just fun to see the comments left with them.

    This is what several folks use it for though.


    What? Bragging about the length of your toptube. Remember geometry is everything.
  • 12-26-2012
    wmac
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by joshh View Post
    This is what several folks use it for though.


    I don't think anyone is disputing that. Riding bikes serves the same purpose. It's all a dong slinging contest.
  • 12-26-2012
    NicoleB
    hey, i dont sling my dong!



    i swing it.
  • 12-26-2012
    wmac
    I gently sway mine from front to back or side to side.
  • 12-26-2012
    marpilli
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wmac View Post
    I also want to state that none of those rep threads were exclusive. The main people In the thread were begging people to join the fun. It really didn't take long before we couldn't rep each other anyway. A lot of my rep came from reciprocal rep outside the OC when people would leave positive comments on other threads I started OR from people who I would positive rep for keeping a heated discussion civil.

    Rep IS a social network game - nothing more. People complained and the rule makers discriminated against a group who figured out a way to, without breaking the rules, get the most points. Period. It means nothing more than a high score on FarmVille or surviving the Cowpocalypse.

    Some people were using the game to be mean and malicious with hate speech. I think that is the root of the problems with the rep system. But it's no different than playing Call of Duty against a bunch of foul-mouthed 12 year olds.

    All I've got to say to anyone who is all butthurt about the rep system: Leeroy Jenkins.

    The rep system is available to all MTBR members. I'd guess over 90% of them never leave any rep (but do complain when they receive a -rep or don't receive any +rep for their contributions). Then there's a small percentage that only leave -rep when they see something they don't like. Finally, there's those that do fully use the rep system within the limits setup by the admins.

    But, nobody wants to hear this. They want to hear about how the OC'ers ruin the rep system. ;)

    Even people who don't care about the rep system and those who want to abolish it still need someone to blame.
  • 12-26-2012
    monzie
    Can I take all of the blame and get the requisite neg reps?
  • 12-26-2012
    Bill in Houston
    ....
  • 12-27-2012
    snowdrifter
    MTBR your REP System:madman:
  • 12-27-2012
    OscarW
    ^ I think you missed the point of the banter in the OC...It was because it (rep system) sucked, a lot of us got around spam repping each-other into oblivion. :D
    The anonymous negative reps were the core of the problem with the system. If you have something to say, either pos or neg, just man up and own up to it. Too many D-bags hid behind the anonymity and the negativism has been greatly reduced IMHO since a rep is no longer anonymous.
    YMMV
  • 12-27-2012
    wmac
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by snowdrifter View Post
    Bahhhh on this whole Rep thing, it's a bunch of crapppp!!! I neg rep people for having too much rep, or just for the hell of it! The only good part is actually reading the comments. You have Members with 100+ Rep who never contribute a god damn thing on the forums, except banter with their member friends. People who organize group rides, or trail care/building events, or offer up sound mechanical help, should have all the Rep.

    MTBR your REP System SUCKS old stinky saggy nuttz!

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  • 12-27-2012
    AZ
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by snowdrifter View Post
    Bahhhh on this whole Rep thing, it's a bunch of crapppp!!! I neg rep people for having too much rep, or just for the hell of it! The only good part is actually reading the comments. You have Members with 100+ Rep who never contribute a god damn thing on the forums, except banter with their member friends. People who organize group rides, or trail care/building events, or offer up sound mechanical help, should have all the Rep.

    MTBR your REP System SUCKS old stinky saggy nuttz!




    I organize a group ride every Sat. and build copious amounts of trail and banter with the member friends and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one that does. Why so much hate?
  • 12-27-2012
    Hutch3637
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    Why so much hate?



    Helllllllo Admin


    Did you miss me.
  • 12-27-2012
    norton55
    ^^ Yes. What's wrong with having friends? :rolleyes:
  • 12-27-2012
    Bill in Houston
    ....
  • 12-27-2012
    osokolo
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by norton55 View Post
    ^^ Yes. What's wrong with having friends? :rolleyes:

    can you be my friend? :sad:
  • 12-27-2012
    osokolo
    takin' a bullet Bill?
  • 12-27-2012
    teamhaymaker
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    I organize a group ride every Sat. and build copious amounts of trail and banter with the member friends and I'm pretty sure I'm not the only one that does. Why so much hate?

    He hates because he was one of those people that used to anon. neg rep people.
    I just looked mine over and and my one and only neg rep that was anon. now shows he did it.

    Pretty funny in my eyes
  • 12-27-2012
    Bill in Houston
    ....
  • 12-27-2012
    wmac
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by snowdrifter View Post
    You have Members with 100+ Rep who never contribute a god damn thing on the forums, except banter with their member friends.

    Care to compile a list of name of those who never contribute a god damn thing?

    People who organize group rides, or trail care/building events, or offer up sound mechanical help, should have all the Rep.

    Where in the rules did it say that?

    Has the whaaaambulance arrived to help you with your butthurt yet?
  • 12-27-2012
    snowdrifter
    There's plenty of users on this site for 8-10 years always giving solid advice/input, but their post count is low, they have peanuts for rep. Then there's a lot new users, member since 2011/2012 with crazy rep numbers, because they post 10,000 times a year.

    I'm not hatin.. just think the system sucks.
  • 12-27-2012
    osokolo
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wmac View Post
    Has the whaaaambulance arrived to help you with your butthurt yet?

    i really like the way you use red colour sir... :thumbsup:

    i think you should have all the rep.
  • 12-27-2012
    Tone's
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by snowdrifter View Post
    There's plenty of users on this site for 8-10 years always giving solid advice/input, but their post count is low, they have peanuts for rep. Then there's a lot new users, member since 2011/2012 with crazy rep numbers, because they post 10,000 times a year.

    I'm not hatin.. just think the system sucks.

    Youve just got butthurt because youve been here for 6 years and only got 20odd rep power so that gives you about 4 reps a year, and there are others that can seem to get themselves 100 or 200 a year, id suggest that the guys who get rep actually have a personality, give great help, are caring and socially aware type of people........:thumbsup:
  • 12-27-2012
    Hutch3637
    Pro tip: Don't hate

    Here let me help you out cry baby.....

    Go here....

    http://forums.mtbr.com/search.php?do=getnew

    Find something you can post in. Help where you can. If someone knows how the system works they will say thank you or can rep you. It's that simple. If you don't get rep for your help or you are wrong then so be it. As for posting 90000000 times a year. Currently posting 6.51 per day. It's not that hard if you actually interact with other people on the forums, besides this thread.

    Compare this to your 1.38 per day. Given those facts, I would have a higher probability of getting more rep because I contribute more to the forums. So, you could say, but, but, you post in OC a lot and you all stroke each other so hard. Well maybe so I like it ruff. Though I also venture out to the forums and do what I can to help the site, help others, maybe put a smile on someones sour puss face that has a shitty attitude.

    For the members that contribute to sub forums and just stay there, I'm 100% certain they could give two flying fvcks about rep. People know they help. It's up to other users like yourself to rep them and thank them. So that's just about that, so you can continue on going back and forth about why rep sucks but it just won't get you anywhere.
  • 12-27-2012
    osokolo
    i gotta tell you hutch... i did miss you... and i am not ashamed to admit it...

    hatin' sucks... your advice is kosher...


    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Hutch3637 View Post
    Pro tip: Don't hate

    Here let me help you out cry baby.....

    Go here....

    http://forums.mtbr.com/search.php?do=getnew

    Find something you can post in. Help where you can. If someone knows how the system works they will say thank you or can rep you. It's that simple. If you don't get rep for your help or you are wrong then so be it. As for posting 90000000 times a year. Currently posting 6.51 per day. It's not that hard if you actually interact with other people on the forums, besides this thread.

    Compare this to your 1.38 per day. Given those facts, I would have a higher probability of getting more rep because I contribute more to the forums. So, you could say, but, but, you post in OC a lot and you all stroke each other so hard. Well maybe so I like it ruff. Though I also venture out to the forums and do what I can to help the site, help others, maybe put a smile on someones sour puss face that has a shitty attitude.

    For the members that contribute to sub forums and just stay there, I'm 100% certain they could give two flying fvcks about rep. People know they help. It's up to other users like yourself to rep them and thank them. So that's just about that, so you can continue on going back and forth about why rep sucks but it just won't get you anywhere.

  • 12-27-2012
    Hutch3637
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    i gotta tell you hutch... i did miss you... and i am not ashamed to admit it...

    hatin' sucks... your advice is kosher...

    I secretly stalked you and others on my time off. Missing anything?? Besides rep. :lol:

    Admin you're funny, I ain't even mad though....
  • 12-27-2012
    wmac
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by snowdrifter View Post
    There's plenty of users on this site for 8-10 years always giving solid advice/input, but their post count is low, they have peanuts for rep. Then there's a lot new users, member since 2011/2012 with crazy rep numbers, because they post 10,000 times a year.

    I'm not hatin.. just think the system sucks.

    Which ones? Give me a list of names so I can confirm or deny your allegations.
  • 12-27-2012
    Bill in Houston
    ....
  • 12-27-2012
    osokolo
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bill in Houston View Post
    snowdrifter, i got your note about not all negging each other. i agree. let's do something positive, or at least not negative, with our energy. play stupid rep games around here and see if you get any +, or go contribute where your experience and expertise are strongest, and see if you get some rep there. and even if you don't, you did the right thing. be seeing you around.

    nice work Bill...

    snowdrifter - there is value in being a good person. you can learn everything else, but you can't learn to be RAD...

    you'll see - it's gotta be worth some + rep...

    now you know why OC is "different"... :thumbsup:
  • 12-27-2012
    osokolo
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Hutch3637 View Post
    I secretly stalked you and others on my time off. Missing anything?? Besides rep. :lol:

    Admin you're funny, I ain't even mad though....

    it appears that we are in the interim phase - regrouping. tone's checked into a rehab, he was really hit hard with these changes. but he will champion through it with a little help from his sister. OC Illuminati have been discussing our next move. i have a feeling it will be unforgettable. Soon.
  • 12-27-2012
    snowdrifter
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    Youve just got butthurt because youve been here for 6 years and only got 20odd rep power so that gives you about 4 reps a year, and there are others that can seem to get themselves 100 or 200 a year, id suggest that the guys who get rep actually have a personality, give great help, are caring and socially aware type of people........:thumbsup:

    knee padzone free.... careless about green squares.. rant over..
  • 12-27-2012
    Flyin_W
    Just returned from the holidays to comp / rep access. Sadly, it appears the admin has not yet provided any answers to questions for singling out the OC crew to devalue & eliminate rep in the Off Camber forum - where all were playing by the set rules.
    If I missed their reply(ies) - please let me know.

    Feel this current action has lessened trust, and that further rep debate will create more tension.
    (edit) Just returned from my 1st ride in nearly 2 weeks, and ahhhh, yes now all is good.
  • 12-27-2012
    marpilli
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by snowdrifter View Post
    There's plenty of users on this site for 8-10 years always giving solid advice/input, but their post count is low, they have peanuts for rep. Then there's a lot new users, member since 2011/2012 with crazy rep numbers, because they post 10,000 times a year.

    I'm not hatin.. just think the system sucks.

    The system does suck. It only benefits the helpful contributors when other people recognize the contributions and actually leave rep for those contributors.

    Are you part of the solution? Do you rep those solid users? How often?

    EDIT: Just read Hutch's response. What he said...

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Hutch3637 View Post
    For the members that contribute to sub forums and just stay there, I'm 100% certain they could give two flying fvcks about rep. People know they help. It's up to other users like yourself to rep them and thank them. So that's just about that, so you can continue on going back and forth about why rep sucks but it just won't get you anywhere.

  • 12-28-2012
    Tone's
    Snowdrifter has stated he neg reped people with a high rep count, just because they had a high rep count.
    So the answer is no Marps.
  • 12-28-2012
    Bethany1
    If you don't like the rep system, don't use it. You can even hide it via your account settings. Just like the other forums, the O/C section is for everyone. There's no rep count or secret handshake to let you in. Some forums are more close in friendships than others as well.

    Want more positive rep? Help out. Want more reputation? Help out. Want more red? Come across as a jerk. If you got outed for your negative comments after the change, man up and deal with it. You posted it, what did you expect?

    I never saw the rep system as a popularity contest. Those that have interpreted it that way seem the ones most bent out shape over the system.
  • 12-28-2012
    Tone's
    Heres some golden neg rep i got from member VAPEZILLA tonight.
    In retaliation for me saying 'trek are making a new model called the EPO'

    ''Your just a trek fanboy, you ROCK SPIDER''

    i dont think he has realised the anon system is gone lol, so i negged him back to one green square and two rep points, if only i could have put him in the red.
  • 12-28-2012
    AZ
    1 Attachment(s)
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    Heres some golden neg rep i got from member VAPEZILLA tonight.
    In retaliation for me saying 'trek are making a new model called the EPO'

    ''Your just a trek fanboy, you ROCK SPIDER''

    i dont think he has realised the anon system is gone lol, so i negged him back to one green square and two rep points, if only i could have put him in the red.

    ....
  • 12-28-2012
    monzie
    Snowdrifter, you can bemoan the rep system all you want but what are you doing to help? Instead of focusing on why you hate it so much have you ever thought to use your 22 points of rep to rep people who you think deserve it? Do you even know deserving posters? I do. Here's a whole thread on people lacking it. I notice you are Suspiciously absent of comment and suggestions in that thread.

    We all (the OC folks who constantly get shitted on for repping each other), in addition to bullshitting in the OC, help out and lurk in other sub-forums. And a lot of rep comes from that. We also rep people we see helping and who are solid contributors the lack rep. It's a dumb thing for the site but we use and abuse it for our amusement. It means nothing and as long as its here, it's another toy for me to play with and waste time on.

    Barring all of that, yer mum's a slag and yer sister's a streetwalker. Now give me all the red ya pants wetting whine-baby.
  • 12-28-2012
    snowdrifter
    Yes, I frequently Pos rep users who bring the good stuff.. My Original post wast out of line. don't like the system, oh well.. never talking rep again.. peace out.
  • 12-28-2012
    wmac
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by snowdrifter View Post
    Yes, I frequently Pos rep users who bring the good stuff.. My Original post wast out of line. don't like the system, oh well.. never talking rep again.. peace out.

    So, was all your butthurt neg rep out of line too?
  • 12-28-2012
    wmac
    I just looked at my 20 most recent reps and only two were from the usual suspects. 18 were from people who, as far as I know, have never repped me before.
  • 12-28-2012
    Mojo Troll
    Honestly, I don't get the rep system at all. As a long time MTBR member since '97ish. It has'nt contributed one single positive thing to what this site is SUPPOST to be about, which is riding. First and foremost. It's suppost to be a consumer review site, hence REVIEW.

    I do'nt recall the name on this site as being:

    Circle Jerk
    Toss your enternet buddies salid.
    Inflate my fragile enternet ego.
    I can't ride a bike for sh*t. But thankfully I have enough money to waste on one. Then pretend I know how to ride on the net.
    Does this lycra make my butt look big.

    What value does the rep system have? The same people with one liner "that brand sucks" 40,000 post are the only ones receiving validity and recognition for absolutly nothing. How about contributing a simple paragraph as to why you like or don't like a certain product.
  • 12-28-2012
    monzie
    Mojo, while I have no problems with you and generally enjoy your posts, have you seen this thread? It might do a lot of good in the long run to show how and where the people with a lot of rep are actually helping out on the site. I really commend Hutch for starting it as I think it will take some of the butt-hurt out of people if they see all of the positive contributions being made by OC'ers.
  • 12-28-2012
    osokolo
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wmac View Post
    18 were from people who, as far as I know, have never repped me before.

    18 fools... well - you can fool them once. it's on you. fool them twice... oh well... it's on you again.. (forgot who said that...;)

    do you have a degree in being nice?
  • 12-28-2012
    monzie
    wmac has a degree in awesome with a minor in nice.
  • 12-28-2012
    OscarW
    It is just the interwebz peeps. The rep system can't be taken seriously. Contribute what you can and help others out and than the chips will fall wherever...
    There are some deserving peeps all over this site outside the OC. People just starting in the sport need help, people building trails can use advice, people training for races etc etc. The focus on the green squares end rep-count is not what this site is about. YMMV
  • 12-28-2012
    osokolo
    ahem mojo, my join date is a bit older than yours... so i will speak as an "elder" if you don't mind...

    this site for everyone is what everyone makes it to be for themselves.

    where does it say it is all about reviews? if that is so - then there would be no other forums, just reviews.

    it is up to everyone to decide what is the purpose of this site for them.

    for me - it is a community, a resource, a way to stay in touch with my riding buddies, to get quick updates on my local area issues, post and/or read different local notifications etc..

    as such - it meets 90% of my requirements...

    rep? why so much fuss about it? why do you think that it is the measure of someone's nuts or boobs?

    no one broke any rules regarding rep system. don't blame the messenger, blame the system.

    we are riders every single bit as much as you are. because i have expensive bike - now all of a sudden i am a poseur?

    if i wear lycra - i am POS now?

    i have 100+ rep and it is a sure sign i don't ride my bike too much?

    nonsense mojo...

    think about it... screw the rep - it may disappear the same way it was instituted. who cares. this site will continue to be up and running and for us it will be equally as much fun.

    it seems that the rep issue is brought to OC from those that do not frequent OC forum. that's fine. it appears that most of regular OCers are ready to discuss it in nice and civilized way, without neg repping even those that cross the line by their own admittance. c'mon man...

    if you want to find a reason to hate - you will always find one. rep hating is really weak, if there is any rationale to any kind of hate... and i use "hate" in mild terms...

    with or without rep, we are still same faces behind our avatars. same passionate riders and good people... rep does not make us different at all... why would you do that?


    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mojo Troll View Post
    Honestly, I don't get the rep system at all. As a long time MTBR member since '97ish. It has'nt contributed one single positive thing to what this site is SUPPOST to be about, which is riding. First and foremost. It's suppost to be a consumer review site, hence REVIEW.

    I do'nt recall the name on this site as being:

    Circle Jerk
    Toss your enternet buddies salid.
    Inflate my fragile enternet ego.
    I can't ride a bike for sh*t. But thankfully I have enough money to waste on one. Then pretend I know how to ride on the net.
    Does this lycra make my butt look big.

    What value does the rep system have? The same people with one liner "that brand sucks" 40,000 post are the only ones receiving validity and recognition for absolutly nothing. How about contributing a simple paragraph as to why you like or don't like a certain product.

  • 12-28-2012
    Mojo Troll
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by osokolo View Post
    ahem mojo, my join date is a bit older than yours... so i will speak as an "elder" if you don't mind...

    this site for everyone is what everyone makes it to be for themselves.

    where does it say it is all about reviews? if that is so - then there would be no other forums, just reviews.

    it is up to everyone to decide what is the purpose of this site for them.

    for me - it is a community, a resource, a way to stay in touch with my riding buddies, to get quick updates on my local area issues, post and/or read different local notifications etc..

    as such - it meets 90% of my requirements...

    rep? why so much fuss about it? why do you think that it is the measure of someone's nuts or boobs?

    no one broke any rules regarding rep system. don't blame the messenger, blame the system.

    we are riders every single bit as much as you are. because i have expensive bike - now all of a sudden i am a poseur?

    if i wear lycra - i am POS now?

    i have 100+ rep and it is a sure sign i don't ride my bike too much?

    nonsense mojo...

    think about it... screw the rep - it may disappear the same way it was instituted. who cares. this site will continue to be up and running and for us it will be equally as much fun.

    it seems that the rep issue is brought to OC from those that do not frequent OC forum. that's fine. it appears that most of regular OCers are ready to discuss it in nice and civilized way, without neg repping even those that cross the line by their own admittance. c'mon man...

    if you want to find a reason to hate - you will always find one. rep hating is really weak, if there is any rationale to any kind of hate... and i use "hate" in mild terms...

    with or without rep, we are still same faces behind our avatars. same passionate riders and good people... rep does not make us different at all... why would you do that?

    So your saying you were around back in "97 when "passion" was actually passionate? Back when there were only 6 forums and people shared thier passion for mtn biking.

    Best I can recall. Back in 2004 the site took on a new format. Some people had to "recreate" their membership.

    Not trying to call you out by any means. What saddens me most . So many mtn bikers and people on this site, as a whole, feel as if they are entitled.

    What can we do as a community on both forums, local, state, national and global level to improve our sport? Is drinking red bull and mt dew really doing anything to keep trials open?

    I'll be the first to admite that I've come across as a d!ck on this topic. I do so, cause I'm concerned about our sport as a whole.
  • 12-28-2012
    wmac
    I can be vicious when someone continues to be ignorant or hateful after I've tried to be nice and understanding several times in a row.
  • 12-28-2012
    osokolo
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mojo Troll View Post
    So your saying you were around back in "97 when "passion" was actually passionate? Back when there were only 6 forums and people shared thier passion for mtn biking.

    Best I can recall. Back in 2004 the site took on a new format. Some people had to "recreate" their membership.

    Not trying to call you out by any means. What saddens me most . So many mtn bikers and people on this site, as a whole, feel as if they are entitled.

    What can we do as a community on both forums, local, state, national and global level to improve our sport? Is drinking red bull and mt dew really doing anything to keep trials open?

    I'll be the first to admite that I've come across as a d!ck on this topic. I do so, cause I'm concerned about our sport as a whole.

    sorry, did not know you had to recreate your account - if that is the case - they you are the elder to me. either way - i somewhat do not understand your point then - not because you did not express yourself, but because you may be looking at it from a different angle.

    in my opinion - the more people around here - the better for the sport. everyone can find their spot under the sun on this website. want passion - go to passion. you think passion is not the same as in 97 - it appears you are blaming high rep people or lycra people or those that ride expensive bikes. why don't you go to passion forum and try to change it?

    or maybe, just maybe, things are ever changing and you may have to get on with changes or forever complain how you don't like them. just my opinion - i am quite accepting that you may have a different one, and that is totally fine.

    by just complaining - in most cases we do not contribute towards the resolution. what do you think should change around here - that is under YOUR CONTROL to change it?

    what admins do - is completely their prerogative. above our pay grade, no?

    rep is within their realm. let them deal with it.

    what do you think we all can do to improve the position of the MTB sport and passion towards MTB as a whole?

    do you think that OC banter, lycra bums, expensive carbon bikes have detrimental effect on MTB sport as a whole?

    let's keep the discussion going - isn't that what this site is for? if it wasn't for it - i would not have met you - even in cyber space. you never know if you will stumble upon my local trail here in Ontario and need my help.. would't that be awesome?
  • 12-28-2012
    wmac
    Mojo: you seem to have switched gripes mid-rant. Let's go back to your first post on the topic and take a look at it in pieces.

    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Mojo Troll View Post
    Honestly, I don't get the rep system at all. What's not to get? If you are stating that you don't understand how rep works, there has been a FAQ up since the inception.

    As a long time MTBR member since '97ish. Okay

    It has'nt contributed one single positive thing to what this site is SUPPOST to be about, which is riding.Not sure I agree with that. Maybe that is what is is supposed to be about for you, but you probably shouldn't dictate what an Internet website is supposed to be for everyone

    First and foremost. It's suppost to be a consumer review site, hence REVIEW. Okay, then this entire forum should be devoted to reviews only. You and the mods can't control that.

    I do'nt recall the name on this site as being:

    Circle Jerk
    Toss your enternet buddies salid.
    Inflate my fragile enternet ego.
    I can't ride a bike for sh*t. But thankfully I have enough money to waste on one. Then pretend I know how to ride on the net.
    Does this lycra make my butt look big.

    That's exactly what the owners and advertisers do.

    What value does the rep system have? Value is calculated as the total cost of ownership compared to the next likely alternative. The rep system doe not cost you or anyone anything besides the labor associated with maintaining it. Using that measure, the owners need to decide whether the amount of ad revenue generated is more than the cost of maintenance labor.

    Calculated in terms of value for you, I would say it causes more grief than satisfaction, so it has negative value for you. Your next likely alternative is to play the game or quit. But flipping the table upside down and having a temper tantrum over how the game is unfair is a childish thing to do.


    The same people with one liner "that brand sucks" 40,000 post are the only ones receiving validity and recognition for absolutly nothing.

    Give me a list of those people so I can confirm or deny your allegations. I can only speak for myself here. I have written two pretty well received articles to help n00bs and I'm in the middle of another. I'm on this board dozens of times a day answering questions in several forums.

    How about contributing a simple paragraph as to why you like or don't like a certain product. I've done that in the review section and dozens of times in the forums.

    For the most part, the people who are whining about rep are people who feel slighted by the system. They are reputable and knowledgable riders who have put a lot of effort into this forum and the reward is a badge of honor. When they several people, who they feel is undeserving, they got upset. It's understandable.

    Frankly, what should have happened is anyone who wanted to have a lot of rep should have joined the rep threads and we could have all gotten our rep power over 1,000. Instead, we wasted everyone's time by complaining and "resetting" the rep levels.
  • 12-28-2012
    vapezilla
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Tone's View Post
    Heres some golden neg rep i got from member VAPEZILLA tonight.
    In retaliation for me saying 'trek are making a new model called the EPO'

    ''Your just a trek fanboy, you ROCK SPIDER''

    i dont think he has realised the anon system is gone lol, so i negged him back to one green square and two rep points, if only i could have put him in the red.

    Actually you neg repped me and insulted me and so I returned the favor. :thumbsup:
  • 12-29-2012
    OscarW
    Yes it is getting better in that regard...:D
  • 12-31-2012
    Mazukea
    I like watching this thread unfold.
  • 12-31-2012
    wmac
    It's dead.
  • 12-31-2012
    OscarW
    Yup
  • 12-31-2012
    Bill in Houston
    ....
  • 12-31-2012
    Bikemaya
    Give it a few days. Won't know for sure until it starts to smell like fish ;)
  • 12-31-2012
    AZ
    This thread stunk up the place a long time ago.
  • 12-31-2012
    OscarW
    rotten fish smell is bad...
  • 12-31-2012
    wmac
  • 01-01-2013
    deke505
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  • 01-01-2013
    kjlued
  • 01-01-2013
    osokolo
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by Bikemaya View Post
    Give it a few days. Won't know for sure until it starts to smell like fish ;)

    it smells now.
  • 01-02-2013
    Dusto
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by wbmason55 View Post
    Well this is a major letdown - my last 20 reps are all green :incazzato:



    That's some funny shite.

    I see. This rep stuff is super important to you. Does it make you feel good about yourself? I don't feel any different since you dirtied mine.
  • 01-02-2013
    wmac
    Relax, your rep doesn't matter until you have 50 posts anyway.
  • 01-02-2013
    OscarW
    ^ What he said..
  • 01-02-2013
    osokolo
    ^ what both of them said
  • 01-02-2013
    kjlued
    ^ what all of them said
  • 01-02-2013
    osokolo
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    ^ what all of them said

    ^ now that was an overkill, but i agree
  • 01-02-2013
    monzie
    I am a fan of anonymous rep. There's no fun in knowing who the witches are. Before, you could implicate anybody, now you know who's a dick. Where's the fun in that?
  • 01-03-2013
    deke505
    2 Attachment(s)
    well we are
  • 01-03-2013
    OscarW
    ^ Yup
  • 01-03-2013
    kjlued
    ^double yup
  • 01-08-2013
    Dummyrunner
    Quote:

    Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    Most of the "reviews" here are laughable, written by noobs for noobs.

    True that... and have to admit I'm guilty
  • 01-08-2013
    Dummyrunner
    Our riding season is in top gear now so have been away from the screen for a bit. I like changes to the anon rep and had to chuckle at some of the messages sent from previously unknown sources.

    And yes my penis head is perfectly fine.... thanks for asking Nicole.
  • 07-01-2014
    Bagwhan
    bumping a thread because I thought this was pretty funny, and didn't know where to post it. Went looking at my reps, and one negative rep was posted when they were still anonymous, but now I can see who it is. The funny part is the poster gave me a neg rep because I disagreed with him, but referred to himself in the 3rd person (ie, the rep comment was something like "I don't think Joe intended to mean that with the post", when "Joe" was the one giving the rep). I guess the intent was that a) I would not think he was neging me for disagreeing with him, and b) it would look like he had more support.

    Pretty funny now to see someone refer to themselves in the 3rd person in a rep comment. :)
  • 07-26-2014
    wmac
    Holy shiz. If you think MTBR dudes are sensitive about rep, head on over to the butt thrust fest that is Reddit.