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    Petition to eliminate anonymous 'Reputation'

    I like the Reputation system that was added to these forums about a year ago.

    But....

    I strongly think we should eliminate the ability to leave negative reps, and move to a system another poster suggested here:

    Forum Reputation and Rep Power. What is it?

    I think it would add to the whole community vibe on these forums, while cutting down on the Dee-baggery.

    Who's with me?

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    I agree with you Bender. I am newer to the forum and I have received two neg. and two positive rep.'s. Both times the neg. rep included a nasty remark. Both times I felt that the neg. rep was dished out because a fellow user had an ax to grind, not necessarily w/ me.

    I have considered deleting my account due to this system because it seems only to set people up for failure, to turn them into internet enabled bullies. For the time being I will stay because I like the insights I can gain from the vast majority of friendly users.

    Let us rethink and refine this system so as not to alienate members but to empower them, to join in our community of off-road bicycle riders.

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    This is copied from one of my other posts on the rep system:

    Personally, I think the anonym rep system is the biggest piece of 5h!t to have been implemented for forums. There's a HUGE stink about it on the CO/Front Range forum. Whoever decided that it was a good idea, needs to extract his/her head from their rectum!

    Watch me get banned for this because I've hurt the "super" mod's prissy little ego

    Edit: so no ban, but some pvssy gave me an unsigned (-) rep for "insulting the mods"...HAHAHAHA! I don't know if that idiot sees the irony!
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    I agree.
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    Reputation is the worst idea to ever make its way into vBulletin. It does nothing but foster clique-e-ness and makes for an unpleasant experience for folks that are new to forums in general. Allowing anonymous rep just compounds the issue ten fold.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Josh_SL2 View Post
    Reputation is the worst idea to ever make its way into vBulletin. It does nothing but foster clique-e-ness and makes for an unpleasant experience for folks that are new to forums in general. Allowing anonymous rep just compounds the issue ten fold.
    I think that's a bit extreme, but I do think that anonymous reputation is no good.

    I think that the reputation feature has helped clean things up a bit here. There are far less useless and azzholish posts than there used to be, which I suppose is the point. Adding a signature to negative reputation would help to curb negative reps for simple disagreements. The majority of my negative reps are because somebody didn't agree with my point of view, not so much because my post was crappy. While reputation means very little in the grand scheme of things, it's frustrating to get dinged for sharing an opinion.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BShow View Post
    I think that's a bit extreme, but I do think that anonymous reputation is no good.

    I think that the reputation feature has helped clean things up a bit here. There are far less ******y posts than there used to be, which is a good thing for sure. Adding a signature to negative reputation would help to curb negative reps for simple disagreements. The majority of my negative reps are because somebody didn't agree with my point of view, not so much because my post was crappy. While reputation means very little in the grand scheme of things, it's frustrating to get dinged for sharing an opinion.
    My perspective on this issue is that of a forum admin so take it with a grain of salt. I've never been able to implement it without it detracting from the community and becoming an epidemic of petty, childish behavior. Half the folks on the forums I've run are arseholes though.

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    Second that....

    Quote Originally Posted by BShow View Post
    I think that's a bit extreme, but I do think that anonymous reputation is no good.

    I think that the reputation feature has helped clean things up a bit here. There are far less useless and azzholish posts than there used to be, which I suppose is the point. Adding a signature to negative reputation would help to curb negative reps for simple disagreements. The majority of my negative reps are because somebody didn't agree with my point of view, not so much because my post was crappy. While reputation means very little in the grand scheme of things, it's frustrating to get dinged for sharing an opinion.
    I don't hate the rep system. I just wish it wasn't anonymous.

    < rant >
    A problem with today's society is that so many of us hide behind anonymity. I wish we had more of 'say what we mean and mean what we say... and I stand behind it

    < /rant >

    That said, I'm a bit of a hypocrite on the issue. I had a psycho stalker ex-girlfriend who I know for a fact is still looking for me. She actually found a friend of mine and was grinding at him for details about me. I don't want to put too many personal details out there to be googled by her, or I know I'll end up with slashed tires and a harassed family. All I did to her was an honest break-up when I found out how insane she was, and that was like 20 years ago.

    Those who know me personally, know me.

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    I'm going to say one thing and one thing only. Then i'm out. If you are going to get your panties in a bunch of a rep system, then you have bigger issues at hand. Now, I'm off to save the world. The internets world that is...

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    what if im not wearing any underwear

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    I just got neg raped for my first comment on this thread. The neg. reper's comment..."relax"

    possibilities as to why this happened...
    1) perhaps my comment was harsh?
    2) perhaps this person finds humor in poking a dead horse w/ a stick
    3) perhaps this might illustrate exactly the problem w/ the system in place

    ...internet bullies rejoice!

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    Get rid of it! It's the lamest, most juvenile thing. At the very least make the 12 year old girls who do it leave their REAL NAME. Not their screen name. If you are gonna leave some of the racist, homophobic, bully bull crap that some guys leave you should be man enough to put your name on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BShow View Post
    I think that's a bit extreme, but I do think that anonymous reputation is no good.

    I think that the reputation feature has helped clean things up a bit here. There are far less useless and azzholish posts than there used to be, which I suppose is the point. Adding a signature to negative reputation would help to curb negative reps for simple disagreements. The majority of my negative reps are because somebody didn't agree with my point of view, not so much because my post was crappy. While reputation means very little in the grand scheme of things, it's frustrating to get dinged for sharing an opinion.
    I would prefer the useless and a55hole-ish posts as at least that way you and others can respond to them and let the poster know that they are an e-tool.
    But the fact of the matter is that Francois and Gregg have no interest in changing it despite the outcry about it since the start. I have personally PM'ed Gregg on the topic and he basically said "we will look into it".

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    Say something negative about a 29 er or 650B topic and see what kind of negative rep you get, its childish and ridiculous.

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    I wish I could say a change to the rep system (besides its elimination #1) would be helpful, productive, but over in the oh-so more mature RBR -where rep is not anonymous- if I give out very deserving neg rep (for just about sheer ******-baggery), the generally mass green repped poster just hands it back. (Hunts you down.)
    Stupid. No one I assume has the self control. The gentlemen over in RBR sure don't.



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    The only e-tool here is you for not supporting our petition.
    Good one.
    and D- if you cannot read between the lines of my post and work out in your pea brain that I do support getting rid of this retarded system.

    I also support getting a face palm smiley installed.

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    Please add me to your sad, pathetic list of e-tools. The rep system is a joke. As if the thumb sucking, arrested development majority isn't mind****ed enough by the spirit of democracy as it is.

    I'm also sick of this big baby business of crying like a little girl every time someone leaves you neg rep. Let's face it, if you are so worriied about your precious rep count, you deserve neg rep for that alone.

    Just get rid of it. That way those people who log on here for reasons other than listening to people *****ing about their precious rep can get back to the MTB related stuff.

    Perhaps we could have a petition to start a cry baby forum for all you neg rep cry babies.
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    I personally think it's (rep system) OK, and somewhat useful
    responsible users sign their rep - no big deal.
    If you get a signed rep that is negative, the user has basically sent you a 'message' that your post may be out of line or something.
    I have gotten a few signed ones, clicked on the link to see the post I made, and then thought - yeah...I was being kinda duushy - or, ok, I don't agree, but whatever!

    The best aspect of neg-rep is the guys who get red dots, and that lets others know (especially newer people) that whom ever is not a good contributor.

    Having a crapload of green dots is not as indicative as the red dots IMO - some like I, or AZ, or CHUM, (oh and the OP 'Bender' too! )just happen to post more, which simply gives more of a statistical chance of a pos rep.
    People who don't post as much, but offer more value (IMO) in their posts like mikesee, squash, MikeT etc. deserve more, but won't - again stats.

    summary, I like it , it's not perfect, but it let's you know who the trolls/idiots are
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    waaaa. Some bastard just pos repped me. You scum bag. waaaaa.

    I hope you signed that, because if I ever find out where I can actually see that crap and you didn't sign it, I'm gonna have to come back and accuse you of all sorts o' ****.

    Friggin' pos reppin' scuuuuuuuuuuum.

    waaaaaaa.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MagicCarpet View Post
    waaaa. Some bastard just pos repped me. You scum bag. waaaaa.

    I hope you signed that, because if I ever find out where I can actually see that crap and you didn't sign it, I'm gonna have to come back and accuse you of all sorts o' ****.

    Friggin' pos reppin' scuuuuuuuuuuum.

    waaaaaaa.
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    Do you behave like a wanker on EVERY forum you are on, or just the one's where you and I are both members?
    Grow up.

    There, that is how people who have an opinion on someone's posts should handle it.

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    Do you behave like a whining, whinging wanker who thinks the whole world needs to conform to their view of everything on EVERY forum you are on, or just the one's where you and I are both members?
    Grow up.

    There, that is how people who have an opinion on someone's posts should handle it.

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    Always good to see you use mature responses when responding to criticism too.

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    Always good to see you using personally abusive reponses when responding to absolutely anything you disagree with, which is your personal trademark.

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    Haters gonna hate.
    Have a nice life.

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    Another reason to use a neg rep is when users take up space bickering between each other about apparent personal differences and OT to the OP

    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll View Post
    Another reason to use a neg rep is when users take up space bickering between each other about apparent personal differences and OT to the OP
    "You said it - and then did it yourself."

    no, I never personally bickered here.

    Care to reveal yourself?
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    boy am i glad i'm trying to grow up. it takes to much energy to get all spun up over letters on a computer screen. i'm all for the negative reporting. if i paid highdelll $$$ for a part and never received it you're darn right i'm going to give him some feedback! but again, just letters on a computer screen.. much like these ones... and it's not a spelling contest!
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    Not me.
    I refuse to use the rep system.

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    I got neg repped for NO real reason, I cant even give my own opinion here without getting negrepd, What is the point of the rep system anyway?

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    I dont know if this counts as OT, I got a blue colored rep rectangle, what does this mean? It was accompanied by a comment that I didnt find useful, but am delighted to report was at least respectful.

    Also OT what does rep power refer to?

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    Hey ******bag, you are getting negative rep and a big FU for posting on this thread and not supporting our petition. Get the F out of here and never pot on this thread again. -Lenny
    awww... did those letters hurt your feelings lenny? i'm sorry
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    Quote Originally Posted by shwinn8 View Post
    awww... did i hurt your feelings lenny? i'm sorry ( laughing my eff'ing a$$ off! )
    Props to Lenny signing it! - even though the comment was ... silly?
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    and i will pot in this thread again and i'll do it as much as i want!!!
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    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll View Post
    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll View Post
    Another reason to use a neg rep is when users take up space bickering between each other about apparent personal differences and OT to the OP
    "You said it - and then did it yourself."

    no, I never personally bickered here.

    Care to reveal yourself?
    hey 'genius' I quoted myself to reference the anonymous neg-rep to which the post was given

    I now have quoted my self again (within quoting myself )
    to add context to your faceless rep -
    "-1 for replying to your own reply, basically talking to yourself in the thread. You probably have multiple usernames and forgot to log in as your other username when you replied to yourself. What an e-tool! You are the definition of a troll!"

    and hey! nice grey square dood!
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll View Post
    hey 'genius' I quoted myself to reference the anonymous neg-rep to which the post was given

    I now have quoted my self again (within quoting myself )
    to add context to your faceless rep -
    "-1 for replying to your own reply, basically talking to yourself in the thread. You probably have multiple usernames and forgot to log in as your other username when you replied to yourself. What an e-tool! You are the definition of a troll!"

    and hey! nice grey square dood!
    that's what she said!
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    Feel free to join in this thread.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/general-discu...-new-post.html

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    Quote Originally Posted by TR View Post
    Not me.
    I refuse to use the rep system.
    That's a load of sh*t I know for a fact you neg repped me for the OTHER "I hate anonymous rep" thread you're participating in. And you did it anonymously to boot. So there.
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    MTBR is for profit. It is not for us. Viewership sells ads. I figure studies show increases in popularity when forums have a rep system. Why the heck else would one add complexity with no payback? Follow the money..
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    Quote Originally Posted by blaklabl View Post
    That's a load of sh*t I know for a fact you neg repped me for the OTHER "I hate anonymous rep" thread you're participating in. And you did it anonymously to boot. So there.
    I am sorry but you know nothing of the sort.
    I have not negatively or positively repped anyone.

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    Hey - I just thought of another positive aspect of the rep-system.

    Have you guys, especially those with bigger chicklet-sabers noticed an increase in your PMs for advice (especially from noobs)? - I have
    It's not like I get a ton now, but it's more than before - and I don't think it's due to a high post-count, because I had a high post count before.

    It's kinda cool, I'll post my opinion about a lube or pedal or chain, and get a PM - often stemming from that thread (presumably) and I can get into a discussion with someone who wants some answers, but maybe feels silly asking public.
    I feel like I'm getting more respect for my opinion.

    Anyone else notice that?
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    dude! i totally noticed! they keep asking me why people really care about negative reports! all i can tell them is people can't laugh at life, take words on a computer screen WAY to seriously and probably lose sleep over it and go to the extreme of making a post about getting rid of negative reports because it hurts their butt holes giving those who know now to laugh free posts!!
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    My feelings and e-worth is destroyed after recieving this negative rep...

    A big FU for being a troll and entering a thread meant to petition for change to the rep system and then not supporting our petition. Normally, I sign my rep feedback, but not in this case. You are a dbag troll. Do not post back on this thread.
    for this post.

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    you see, the one who wrote you "A big FU" is the real troll. they are to afraid to admit who they are and chose to hide behind the computer screen rather then own up. they make a post and expect only a one way conversation and get butt hurt that others don't agree with their views then call us trolls for laughing at them.
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    Just take the anonymity out of the rep system. This will eliminate a lot of wadded up panties...
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    The system is what it is. I asked after the last major negative point a little over a year ago for people to deliberately give me red chicklets instead of green ones. Why would I let some internet troll with nothing better to do have power over me. It's just a goofy "click to like or dislike" system. It isn't like it's gonna get you banned or shamed publicly in front of a group of your peers. It isn't like any of you are gonna march me all tarred and feathered in front of you down Flume Trail while crying for my ousting.

    I'll agree on stopping the ability to do it anonymously. Then again we get enough trolls that re-register under different if not multiple screen names. You know when someone does that they're trackable, right? What better way for the forum staff to track the stupidity?

    Think of it like being back in Middle School, you only listen to the valid stuff and ignore the haters while the bullying morons eventually get called into the principal's office and sent packing.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BShow View Post
    I think that's a bit extreme, but I do think that anonymous reputation is no good.

    I think that the reputation feature has helped clean things up a bit here. There are far less useless and azzholish posts than there used to be, which I suppose is the point. Adding a signature to negative reputation would help to curb negative reps for simple disagreements. The majority of my negative reps are because somebody didn't agree with my point of view, not so much because my post was crappy. While reputation means very little in the grand scheme of things, it's frustrating to get dinged for sharing an opinion.
    Boo'd for this post - a month after I made it? really? This is exactly what's wrong with the anonymous reputation system.
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    I'd pay more attention to rep received if it had a link back to the post it refers to. If I can't tell which post the rep is referring to, it really doesn't matter who left it or what it even was.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mtn-Rider View Post
    I'd pay more attention to rep received if it had a link back to the post it refers to. If I can't tell which post the rep is referring to, it really doesn't matter who left it or what it even was.
    It does have a link back. If you click, it takes you directly to the post that the feedback was given to.

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