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    The rep system is what it is, and as a feature on this board, it could stand the improvement of not being anonymous anymore.
    If the rep system wasn't anonymous, either pos or neg, than people would perhaps think more about a comment they make before calling someone names for no reason. For some reason, It seems far easier to cut someone down than to give them a thumbs-up.
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    "ass", that doesn't even make the top 50, pathetic.
    Nice KOM, sorry about your penis.

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    well said Oscar. in general it seems the attitude of MTBR is quite positive. I'd imagine the anonymous negative rep occurrences are few, but they are so (understandably) irritating that they get a lot of attention.

    someone mentioned earlier in the thread that we should just eliminate neg rep entirely. I agree with that guy. he must be really handsome, charming and very funny.

    the world hardly needs more outlets for negativity. And look, (I'm not a big fan...but...) Facebook is one of the biggest web sites and cultural phenomenons in history. there's no dislike button. love 'em or hate 'em, with 1 billion members they must know something!

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    Quote Originally Posted by RTM View Post
    well said Oscar. in general it seems the attitude of MTBR is quite positive. I'd imagine the anonymous negative rep occurrences are few, but they are so (understandably) irritating that they get a lot of attention.

    someone mentioned earlier in the thread that we should just eliminate neg rep entirely. I agree with that guy. he must be really handsome, charming and very funny.

    the world hardly needs more outlets for negativity. And look, (I'm not a big fan...but...) Facebook is one of the biggest web sites and cultural phenomenons in history. there's no dislike button. love 'em or hate 'em, with 1 billion members they must know something!
    Thanks. It is amazing that a small minority of peeps get so much attention by being negative or offensive in some cases that the whole rep system needs an overhaul. This just to take away the 'safety' of anonymity. Once that wall is taken down, these folks can be dealt with by the community at large and will thus disappear IMHO.
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    sometimes i am reading a post, and i ask, it it just me, or is this guy a jerk? and then i look at the rep, and if it's red, then i decide not to take him too seriously. in that way, it's helpful, i think.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RTM View Post
    the world hardly needs more outlets for negativity. And look, (I'm not a big fan...but...) Facebook is one of the biggest web sites and cultural phenomenons in history. there's no dislike button. love 'em or hate 'em, with 1 billion members they must know something!
    +1! Here's a couple more things I've noticed. YouTube will show what videos a user has "liked". That feature can be turned off or on by the user. However, it will not show who has used that @$% troll-down, er, thumbs-down button. It is also full of hateful comments. Just look at any popular video. It's enough to make your blood boil!

    Vimeo and Contour.com don't have a dislike button. Vimeo also states that "The Vimeo community is one of the Internetís most positive, supportive, and passionate." Go here and scroll down to "Speech Guidelines" to read more. Needless to say, I haven't seen any of the hate and stupidity that seems to infest YouTube on Vimeo or Contour.

    I believe that YouTube's anonymous dislike button encourages trolling, IMHO. Same thing for anonymous rep .

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    Quote Originally Posted by freighttrainuphill View Post
    +1! Here's a couple more things I've noticed. YouTube will show what videos a user has "liked". That feature can be turned off or on by the user. However, it will not show who has used that @$% troll-down, er, thumbs-down button. It is also full of hateful comments. Just look at any popular video. It's enough to make your blood boil!

    Vimeo and Contour.com don't have a dislike button. Vimeo also states that "The Vimeo community is one of the Internetís most positive, supportive, and passionate." Go here and scroll down to "Speech Guidelines" to read more. Needless to say, I haven't seen any of the hate and stupidity that seems to infest YouTube on Vimeo or Contour.

    I believe that YouTube's anonymous dislike button encourages trolling, IMHO. Same thing for anonymous rep .
    I do think there is a place for neg rep. I very rarely neg, but when I do I sign my name. Because of that, I make my negs mellow and factual and I have not been retaliated against. I've receive some negs, and NONE have been signed. Almost all of them have been BS or inflammatory. I think direct 1-to-1 feedback is important to humanize the internet.

    again I point to the Arizona Republic's comment system. About a year ago they blocked comments unless you tied it to your FB account. Still plenty of dislikes, but the entire tone of the comments have become much more civil and on-topic. Used to be comments were totally political and hateful to the point that there was no point reading them.

    Please please please remove anon reps but keep rep in general.

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    If the admin makes it transparent, neg rep is going to become very popular when those once anonymous users have names attached to them. Just sayin.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chollaball View Post
    I do think there is a place for neg rep. I very rarely neg, but when I do I sign my name. Because of that, I make my negs mellow and factual and I have not been retaliated against. I've receive some negs, and NONE have been signed. Almost all of them have been BS or inflammatory. I think direct 1-to-1 feedback is important to humanize the internet.

    again I point to the Arizona Republic's comment system. About a year ago they blocked comments unless you tied it to your FB account. Still plenty of dislikes, but the entire tone of the comments have become much more civil and on-topic. Used to be comments were totally political and hateful to the point that there was no point reading them.

    Please please please remove anon reps but keep rep in general.
    I agree. None of the negs I received were signed either, and they were all BS inflammatory comments from trolls.

    The only time I gave neg rep was to spammers and a certain infamous troll, and I signed it every time. Probably a waste of time, but it felt good! The spammers and the troll didn't have time to attempt to retaliate (no rep power to do so anyway), as they were banned rather quickly.

    One of our local TV stations got rid of the dislike button in their comment section. Others have gone to the Facebook commenting system like in your example.

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    This sums up the problem quite nicely...

    Petition to eliminate anonymous 'Reputation'-215499488_8pszr-l-2.jpg

    As others have said, anonymity is the issue. If rep is tied to your account name, the rep comments will become more civil. Even more so if it's tied to your FB account...

    Unedited version here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chollaball View Post
    but when I do I sign my name.
    I do not. No reason to be on a receiving end of a hissy fit, even if the neg rep was deserved.

    Judging by the relative lack of people in the red - and those who are more often then not deserve it - system is not being abused.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freighttrainuphill View Post
    I agree. None of the negs I received were signed either, and they were all BS inflammatory comments from trolls.
    And yet here you are at 103 rep power. Does it bother you that somebody trolled you?

    Does not bother me, and I have had quite a few.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    And yet here you are at 103 rep power. Does it bother you that somebody trolled you?

    Does not bother me, and I have had quite a few.
    It doesn't affect me personally, but I would love to remove the ability for trolls to get their jollies by cowardly acts. It's not me that they hurt. It's the newbies with one green square and 0 rep power who may be discouraged by their rudeness.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freighttrainuphill View Post
    It doesn't affect me personally, but I would love to remove the ability for trolls to get their jollies by cowardly acts. It's not me that they hurt. It's the newbies with one green square and 0 rep power who may be discouraged by their rudeness.
    "Cowardly act"? Really? Would you prefer a sock-puppet account trolling you?

    Say you get a neg rep from "Axe" (not that I actually neg repped you). You really know that fellow? What would you do but go and troll/insult him in turn?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    "Cowardly act"? Really? Would you prefer a sock-puppet account trolling you?

    Say you get a neg rep from "Axe" (not that I actually neg repped you). You really know that fellow? What would you do but go and troll/insult him in turn?
    I would suspect that it was another user signing your name, not you. I would PM you and ask you if you neg repped me and why, not neg rep you.

    I prefer to work things out like a mature adult, because if you actually did neg rep me, chances are it was because of a misunderstanding. The internet lacks emotion, unlike face-to-face communication. This can and has caused plenty of posts to be taken out of context.

    Based on the neg reps I and other posters have received, yes, they were cowardly acts. None of them were signed, and none of them were actually earned by d-bag behavior. They were sent by trolls.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freighttrainuphill View Post
    Based on the neg reps I and other posters have received, yes, they were cowardly acts. None of them were signed, and none of them were actually earned by d-bag behavior. They were sent by trolls.
    So what? When you take a dump in a public toilet and the stall wall is decorated with obscenities and stylized penis pictures - does it upset you?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    So what? When you take a dump in a public toilet and the stall wall is decorated with obscenities and stylized penis pictures - does it upset you?
    Of course not, but I'm more concerned about the effect the anonymous neg rep has on newbies, not myself .

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    Quote Originally Posted by freighttrainuphill View Post
    Of course not, but I'm more concerned about the effect the anonymous neg rep has on newbies, not myself .
    They may be a newb to this site, but they are probably not newbs to da interwebz.

    This place is calm and zen in comparison.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    They may be a newb to this site, but they are probably not newbs to da interwebz.

    This place is calm and zen in comparison.
    True, which is why I spend most of my time here instead of other cycling sites. I ride road too, but I don't feel like I fit in very well on RBR, especially in their off-topic subforum. Ours is the best!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    I do not. No reason to be on a receiving end of a hissy fit, even if the neg rep was deserved.
    sure, i understand that completely. But for me its kinda more about holding my own e-behavior to a standard of personal conduct, for my own peace of mind. Its too easy to lose all perspective online.

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    Quote Originally Posted by freighttrainuphill View Post
    ..none of them were actually earned by d-bag behavior.
    says you, right? people who are jerks seldom realize it. how many threads have you read where someone was being an absolute toad, and the complained about getting neg rep for it. They fully deserved it, but still feel like they didn't.

    you are subject to a particular kind of weirdo neg-repper, and get plenty that you don't deserve, but a majority of neg-rep is deserved. and a majority is not due to someone just disagreeing, but due to people being needlessly rude. slim majorities, perhaps, but still majorities, i bet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill in Houston View Post
    says you, right? people who are jerks seldom realize it. how many threads have you read where someone was being an absolute toad, and the complained about getting neg rep for it. They fully deserved it, but still feel like they didn't.

    you are subject to a particular kind of weirdo neg-repper, and get plenty that you don't deserve, but a majority of neg-rep is deserved. and a majority is not due to someone just disagreeing, but due to people being needlessly rude. slim majorities, perhaps, but still majorities, i bet.


    Much of the neg rep is deserved. Most complaints about getting neg rep are veiled in the anonymity of it, not whether it was deserved or not. Much ado about nothing? Myself, I don't care one way or another about the anonymity of it. The troll rep I do. I don't have a solution though. Obviously rep is thriving despite all its short comings so it is likely to be around for a while. My two cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill in Houston View Post
    says you, right? people who are jerks seldom realize it. how many threads have you read where someone was being an absolute toad, and the complained about getting neg rep for it. They fully deserved it, but still feel like they didn't.

    you are subject to a particular kind of weirdo neg-repper, and get plenty that you don't deserve, but a majority of neg-rep is deserved. and a majority is not due to someone just disagreeing, but due to people being needlessly rude. slim majorities, perhaps, but still majorities, i bet.
    I have seen the threads with the d-bags. I agree with you there.

    I forgot to clarify that there were certain threads where people said they got neg rep, and I know for a fact that they didn't say anything in that particular thread that warranted a neg rep. Sorry for the confusion .

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    How do you get Rep Power in the 100's with under 1000 posts? Must be a lot of back patting going on.

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    thank you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Josh_SL2 View Post
    My perspective on this issue is that of a forum admin so take it with a grain of salt. I've never been able to implement it without it detracting from the community and becoming an epidemic of petty, childish behavior. Half the folks on the forums I've run are arseholes though.
    but p0rn forums do make money, no?


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    I agree, I do not like anonymous reputations.
    Negative ones are often offensive, positive ones are more funny if you know who to thank.

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    Admins, thank you for the change. In the long run, taking away the anonymity was the best choice.

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    Quote Originally Posted by marpilli View Post
    Admins, thank you for the change. In the long run, taking away the anonymity was the best choice.
    Awesome!!

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    Well, would you look at that. Amazing! Let the retribution begin!

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    AAAAHahahahaaaaaa!
    Nice KOM, sorry about your penis.

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    Thank you so much with that change.There were a couple in the N.M. forum that liked to leave crude remarks and neg reps regardless of the post. Now they are exposed. Good job!
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    lame, I liked anon neg rep

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    Quote Originally Posted by SingleTrackLovr View Post
    I'll add my vote to dumping this system.
    I've been here long enough to know who to trust and avoid.
    The number of little green squares means nothing to me although I sometimes get a real chuckle when I see totally lame members with 2 rows of green blocks.
    Quote Originally Posted by gregg View Post
    We are currently looking at removing the "anonymous" part of the rep function.
    Rep is NOT anonymous on RoadBikeReview forums and it seems to work good over there.

    Stay tuned.

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    Well I've definitely had a change of heart on the rep system. IMO it does add value.

    I left mtbr for over 2 years do to all the hell, discontent and lack of moderation I witnessed and experienced first hand on on the
    Front Range forum by peeps that needed to find a life or at least a real job.
    The worst offender seem to have tempered there responses as of late or maybe they just grew up.

    Thanks Gregg for continuing to improve the system.

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    Now that neg rep is gone how come I can only see positive rep in my control panel? Seems like all the negative stuff has been sanitized. CONSPIRACY!

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    Now that repping is no longer anonymous, the trolls have left the building. The negativity was not only pervasive in the rep system but throughout the forum and many new peeps were put off by this. Not a great thing if you want to promote a sport that as a whole has a lot of cool people participating.
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    Quote Originally Posted by OscarW View Post
    Now that repping is no longer anonymous, the trolls have left the building. The negativity was not only pervasive in the rep system but throughout the forum and many new peeps were put off by this. Not a great thing if you want to promote a sport that as a whole has a lot of cool people participating.

    I did not notice absense of trolls. What I have noticed was a group of rep enthusiasts getting banned for a while or for good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigstr View Post
    Now that neg rep is gone how come I can only see positive rep in my control panel? Seems like all the negative stuff has been sanitized. CONSPIRACY!
    neg rep is gone??
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll View Post
    neg rep is gone??
    really?
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    Meant anonomous negative rep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigstr View Post
    Meant anonomous negative rep.
    And the difference is?

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    Quote Originally Posted by craigstr View Post
    Meant anonomous negative rep.
    you are forgiven now.

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    I like all the people who trashed on anon negative rep that I noticed had given me anon neg rep-pretty typical of people. Some of this page now.

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    yeah, DBs are DBs - in real life they are cowards - probably sagging their jeans and wearing a flat-billed cap w/ a sticker on top
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    In my opinion, I would like to see a rating for quality posts. I like to know who has good advise. Marking posts quality instead of rep'ing would do away with the rep battles yet still show us knows what they are talking about.
    Just because you can't hear them scream doesn't mean they don't. Save a plant, eat meat.

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    So, I am guessing a gray bar pm is a negative rep?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rojo Grande' View Post
    So, I am guessing a gray bar pm is a negative rep?
    Neither pos nor neg - the repper has zero rep power - if it's grey and no comment, they were trying to +rep (don't have to leave a comment for pos.) - if there's a comment, infer from what was said to determine intent.
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Thanks for the clarification.
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