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    Petition for CAPCHA system

    Starting a poll that there should be a CAPCHA system put into effect to kill the spam on this site. Reporting it does squat if no one is around. As of lately numerous threads have been started about this subject.

    This system should have new members to enter a CAPCHA to sign up. Require a CAPCHA for the first 15 post, which should be reviewed because some spammers are non-bots who add spam within their post.


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    I vote for retinal screening and fingerprinting.

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    captcha is built right into vbulletin, easy to implement and stops *most* bots right off the bat. with this older version of vbulletin there are plugins that can be used too, to help alleviate and control auto-registration programs and keep the bots in check.

    the spam is getting ridiculous lately, and having to wait 60 seconds between reports is equally ridiculous.
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    Quote Originally Posted by big terry View Post

    the spam is getting ridiculous lately, and having to wait 60 seconds between reports is equally ridiculous.
    I thought it funny that it's easier to spam than it is to report it.
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    Good idea Hutch, thats a big yes from me.....
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    Captcha also blows.

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    Good idea.
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    I do believe that MTBR has implemented this system for the first 20 posts as I've seen some funky posts that seem like spam, but have no spam content, just bad grammatical copies of previous replies. Also think they've extended the inability to post links to the same 20 or maybe more posts. Well done MTBR if this is indeed the case.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ehigh View Post
    Captcha also blows.
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    I run a music related forum and spammers are abundent. I have basically shut down new registration because they are so persistent. I have 8,000 people waiting to be approved as new members. I am thinking about 10 might be legit.

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    an alternative to a Capcha would be a simple human question like "How many wheels does a bike have?" or "What color is grass?"

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    Quote Originally Posted by LarryWallwart View Post
    an alternative to a Capcha would be a simple human question like "How many wheels does a bike have?" or "What color is grass?"
    maybe, but this site has such high traffic that it's a gold mine for spammers. A simple question like that would just take one person to look at the registration form and program it into a bot to circumvent.

    Captcha also blows.
    putting a robust captcha on the registration page is a small inconvenience to stop the recent flood of spam. even making new users fill it out for their first few posts is but a minor inconvenience. add a human question to the mix like Larry suggested and you have a good start for spam protection. there has to be some kind of adaptive spam filter (identifies key words in posts) for vBulletin. I use one on my website, which uses Wordpress. It in combination with the captcha has stopped spam dead. the recent spam posts are nothing but key words. Flag less than a week's worth of those posts and the filters ought to have a solid handle on the problem.

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    I would hate to have to type a phrase to post, but if it could be triggered based on number of posts or frequency of posts per hour, I would vote yes. That said, I actually can't vote at the moment since I'm on tapatalk, so consider this feedback subject to change.


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    Quote Originally Posted by heyyall View Post
    I would hate to have to type a phrase to post, but if it could be triggered based on number of posts or frequency of posts per hour, I would vote yes. That said, I actually can't vote at the moment since I'm on tapatalk, so consider this feedback subject to change.
    I voted yes and like this idea!

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    We definately need something in place, they are spamming posts that are 4 years old then people reply as if it was a new topic.
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    Lotsa green chicklets == no capcha!

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    How about CAPCHA for registration only? If it stops the 'bots, that should take a good chunk out of the spam even if humans still get through from time to time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NateHawk View Post
    maybe, but this site has such high traffic that it's a gold mine for spammers. A simple question like that would just take one person to look at the registration form and program it into a bot to circumvent.
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    There would be multiple rotating questions.

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    Hi
    I am new here but I understand your woes on to CAPTCHA or not to CAPTCHA. I am active on a few other forums where it is an endless dilemma due to the rapid influx of spam.

    Unfortunately CAPTCHAS do put people off commenting and, from my personal experience, they seem to definitely reduce the flow of conversation on a forum.

    Also, they are inaccessible to a lot of people. I am dyslexic and I find them pretty much impossible to read, let alone people who are colour blind etc.

    I have ended up having to use a captcha bypass browser extension called rumola to read the captchas for me due to their prevalence on the web. Has anyone else tried any captcha reading software?

    Maybe a captcha that relies on picture matching would be good? I was reading about them the other day but I can't remember what they are called!

    The whole situation is a bit of a really!

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    ^^^

    Captchas are also audible.

    For new members this really isn't that big of a deal if you are a human. The idea behind the 10 post for Captchas would help stop spam specifically spam bots. On top of that system there should be a simple question as well like LarryWallwart said. Both of these used together for new members would help kill most if not all the spam on this site. If answering a couple questions to allow new members on this site is that big of a deal, people should not be on the internet.

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    it should have been implimented yesterday..
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    One other thing, for me the spam on here only appears to happen around the same time every night for me. Not sure about the day since I'm usually not on here but around 1 AM here, this is when I usually notice it. It goes on till the early morning.

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    Sounds like there may be some people at work on the other side of the world. Of course if that is the case, the chapcha solution would be defeated. Hum, what to do....

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    Quote Originally Posted by heyyall View Post
    Sounds like there may be some people at work on the other side of the world. Of course if that is the case, the chapcha solution would be defeated. Hum, what to do....
    Lately it has been about bags, travel, medical, and Russian stuff. Even when I first signed up here I noticed threads that were odd like, "is this to sexy for my sister to wear" those where kind of funny.


    So Admin and Mods. What are you going to do? To me this would make your job easier.

    In check, your move.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tone's l'axeman View Post
    it should have been implimented yesterday..
    bump.

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    It's all coming from Asia and Europe and I want to know WTF the powers that be are doing, because I'm seeing lots of 1st posts and they're just spam. Do they ban the IPs and IP ranges when they encounter this ****e, I'm hoping so, if not they should be. Once that starts happening at some point when the ISP gets wind of it being on black lists etc they'll get the message.
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    FWIW I just check the human verification option and we have a CAPTCHA system in place. It is just a function of our forum being so huge that we are getting hammered by spammers.

    I am actively working on reducing the spammers on the site, including attempting to delete the spam lurkers and more aggressively blocking and banning IP's.

    Hope that helps some.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockcrusher View Post
    FWIW I just check the human verification option and we have a CAPTCHA system in place. It is just a function of our forum being so huge that we are getting hammered by spammers.

    I am actively working on reducing the spammers on the site, including attempting to delete the spam lurkers and more aggressively blocking and banning IP's.

    Hope that helps some.
    What can you do to have the system required for your first 10 post though? It would kind of be a hassle I guess for new people but like you said this forum is huge so Admin needs to up the ante in regards to the spam. How are they getting around the Captcha system if it is in place to begin with?

    I've noticed most of the spam comes late at night so it's usually up on the site till the morning but that's their whole point so it is up for a period of time even if it gets removed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hutch3637 View Post
    What can you do to have the system required for your first 10 post though? It would kind of be a hassle I guess for new people but like you said this forum is huge so Admin needs to up the ante in regards to the spam. How are they getting around the Captcha system if it is in place to begin with?

    I've noticed most of the spam comes late at night so it's usually up on the site till the morning but that's their whole point so it is up for a period of time even if it gets removed.
    The reason most comes at night is that it is originating in Asia, during their day we are sleeping. The captcha system can be defeated via a spambot registering then a human does the captcha then the spam bot finishes. Common spambot modus operandi.

    I am working to get a better captcha system installed. With over 300000 registered users we get a lot of attention from the spambots of the world. It is a tough thing to manage without impeding the users experience. The 10 post rule prevents the spam bots from starting new threads immediately, it gets their responses sent to those that are subscribed to the thread and that way gets more eyes in the forums than the few of us.

    As far as banning IP addresses most of these spammers come via proxy IP so once you ban one, they just return on a new one. Some forums use a post registration screening process but with anywhere from 100-200 users a day joining here it is a tough proposition for the moderation volunteers to pre approve all new users.

    We are proactively working on it, hopefully you have noticed a small decrease in the spam as I have been finding and killing stashes of the spammers.
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    We know you guys are doing the best you can RC and we appreciate it, just as you said, the current system only let's them post to existing threads and if you're subscribed to one of them you go clicking in to see what's new only to find the spam. Hoping you guys come up with a better solution soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by rockcrusher View Post
    The reason most comes at night is that it is originating in Asia, during their day we are sleeping. The captcha system can be defeated via a spambot registering then a human does the captcha then the spam bot finishes. Common spambot modus operandi.

    I am working to get a better captcha system installed. With over 300000 registered users we get a lot of attention from the spambots of the world. It is a tough thing to manage without impeding the users experience. The 10 post rule prevents the spam bots from starting new threads immediately, it gets their responses sent to those that are subscribed to the thread and that way gets more eyes in the forums than the few of us.

    As far as banning IP addresses most of these spammers come via proxy IP so once you ban one, they just return on a new one. Some forums use a post registration screening process but with anywhere from 100-200 users a day joining here it is a tough proposition for the moderation volunteers to pre approve all new users.

    We are proactively working on it, hopefully you have noticed a small decrease in the spam as I have been finding and killing stashes of the spammers.
    Yes, spam has been in a decrease the past couple of days FWIW. Thank you for the hard work though RC. Is there a way to set up word usage? IE* Preventing any title post with gucci bags or the other crap they post to try prevent them from even posting? It's just another suggestion. I know you said you're working a better system so thank you again. MTBR should hire some hackers to go into their system.

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    hmmm, if the spammers are combining bots with real people that does make it hard to handle. I think some level of hassle is going to have to be necessary, though. I think a 10 post required captcha would help.

    how about word filters? are there any plugins like that available for this software? that seems to be one of the best spam plugins that I've implemented on my own site. these spam posts all seem to follow the same style advertising cheap knockoff handbags, electronics, and pharmaceuticals.

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    having a job solving captchas all day would be exhausting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NateHawk View Post
    hmmm, if the spammers are combining bots with real people that does make it hard to handle. I think some level of hassle is going to have to be necessary, though. I think a 10 post required captcha would help.

    how about word filters? are there any plugins like that available for this software? that seems to be one of the best spam plugins that I've implemented on my own site. these spam posts all seem to follow the same style advertising cheap knockoff handbags, electronics, and pharmaceuticals.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bill in Houston View Post
    having a job solving captchas all day would be exhausting.
    Pretty scary that it probably happens though, eh? I can't imagine trying to admin a forum this large and keep it anything close to spam free.

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    On a side note I noticed a argument the other day between two members of a spammer posting child pron. I did not see the post of the spam but from the responses between members that appeared to be the case. Hopefully Admin and Mods contacted who they needed to about it, if that was the case.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hutch3637 View Post
    In check, your move.


    Actually, I think thats Checkmate. Do you see an out that I don't see?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Brewtality View Post


    Actually, I think thats Checkmate. Do you see an out that I don't see?
    Exactly, it is, thus, they must give in to this new idea of a better system.

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    Quote Originally Posted by rockcrusher View Post
    The reason most comes at night is that it is originating in Asia, during their day we are sleeping. The captcha system can be defeated via a spambot registering then a human does the captcha then the spam bot finishes. Common spambot modus operandi.

    I am working to get a better captcha system installed. With over 300000 registered users we get a lot of attention from the spambots of the world. It is a tough thing to manage without impeding the users experience. The 10 post rule prevents the spam bots from starting new threads immediately, it gets their responses sent to those that are subscribed to the thread and that way gets more eyes in the forums than the few of us.

    As far as banning IP addresses most of these spammers come via proxy IP so once you ban one, they just return on a new one. Some forums use a post registration screening process but with anywhere from 100-200 users a day joining here it is a tough proposition for the moderation volunteers to pre approve all new users.

    We are proactively working on it, hopefully you have noticed a small decrease in the spam as I have been finding and killing stashes of the spammers.
    OK, I'm not a super SEO guy (I do really well at SEM - which is another/separate (kinda) level)
    But I feel like I can explain a sudden influx as well as to why this site and not many other forums...bear with me, as I've had a few beers. And anyone with more knowledge, please chime in!

    1st off, to get your site ranking higher in the organic SERPs (that's the natural listings below ads), you have to have a number of things working in your favor - most are basic; related content, UNIQUE (but relatable) content, urls that work and don't divert.

    So, there's a major factor though, how 'likeable' your site is... moreover what sites are linking to your site and how well that site is ranked.

    For instance Facebook has a PR of 9 (out of 10)
    As does Whitehouse.gov, (used to be a 10 IIRC), google.com, etc (I can't find a 10 now)

    Links from those sites give your site 'cred'
    PBS.org - 8
    ebay.com - 7
    nbcam.org - 6 (Nat'l breast cancer awareness)
    mtbr.com - 5
    pornhub.com - 5

    Mtbr.com has a PR of 5! (trust me, that's pretty up there)
    with the release of panda/penguin, links are taking a harder hit.
    So sites are trying to get their site 'weighted' by # of high listing sites

    If you have a site, even being 'ranked' can be tough at 1st
    the spammers here are not trying to get YOU, the user, to click, moreover, they are trying to trick the spider that crawls ... it's working less, and I think thats why your're seeing more desperate attempts

    my $.02
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Put a sign up capcha system into place at least. Damn....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Hutch3637 View Post
    Put a sign up capcha system into place at least. Damn....
    I just came home from a ride and had 11 notifications, 8 of them were spam

    Theres been a blanket invasion, they must sit down at the start of their shift and work out who to hit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Hutch3637 View Post
    Put a sign up capcha system into place at least. Damn....
    yeah!

    this is retarded!
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    I kind of wonder if the spammers are using APIs that tapatalk uses. I would hate to have to deal with no app use or a text challenge on a phone keyboard.
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    Quote Originally Posted by heyyall View Post
    I kind of wonder if the spammers are using APIs that tapatalk uses. I would hate to have to deal with no app use or a text challenge on a phone keyboard.
    It would be for beginner members, not us you goof. What we need is Lord Inglip. All hail Lord Inglip.

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