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    It sure is. Thanks!

    I don't quite understand what all the fuss is about. The whole rep thing turned into a game on another forum I was on. I know the mods intended it to be a tool, but give a kid a hammer...

    I'm here for two reasons,

    1) education, either for myself, or if I am able to learn something, pass that on to the next new guy.

    2) fun. This whole riding thing is fun! The people are fun, the gear is fun, and heck yeah, even the rep thing is fun.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying-Monkey View Post
    From what I read, it could be either. As I understand it, it just means they don't have the power to effect your rep.

    I prefer to think that someone will ill intent was foiled in their attempt, than a good hearted person not being allowed to share some green love.
    Negative rep cannot be left without a comment, while positive rep can. Therefore, if you have a grey dot with no comment, it was positive rep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying-Monkey View Post
    From what I read, it could be either. As I understand it, it just means they don't have the power to effect your rep.

    I prefer to think that someone will ill intent was foiled in their attempt, than a good hearted person not being allowed to share some green love.




    Zero rep power, neg has to leave a comment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying-Monkey View Post
    From what I read, it could be either. As I understand it, it just means they don't have the power to effect your rep.
    that is correct after making the mistake of suggesting to a new rider to consider a 29Ē bike It was a negative rep onslaught and I was able to tell whom gave out what because they had zero rep themselves so their reps were grey.

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    even rep has a plethora of colors, well 3 and that makes it colorful yes??

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying-Monkey View Post

    I'm here for two reasons,

    1) education, either for myself, or if I am able to learn something, pass that on to the next new guy.

    2) fun. This whole riding thing is fun! The people are fun, the gear is fun, and heck yeah, even the rep thing is fun.
    agreed

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad mechanic View Post
    Negative rep cannot be left without a comment, while positive rep can. Therefore, if you have a grey dot with no comment, it was positive rep.
    That's depressing. Well, to the people with no rep that tried to give me a green dot, thank you!
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    I wish I could donate some green to this guy...

    A quest for the best 29er under/around $1000

    Read his thread. He has done his research, he's gone out, looked, and ridden several bikes, gave his evaluations on them, and then he still gets harassed by the first two posts in reply.

    Does he retaliate? Nope, the guy goes on being positive. He's on a quest, and a few trolls on that yellow brick road weren't going to stop him.

    I don't get why he's in the red, none of his older posts seem out of line. I think he's been bloodied by a few ambushing trolls, and they left him in the negative on rep points.

    Not only did he find his bike, he's given an after purchase report, and I look forward to seeing some more from him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying-Monkey View Post

    Read his thread. He has done his research, he's gone out, looked, and ridden several bikes, gave his evaluations on them, and then he still gets harassed.
    bottom line nobody gives a sh*t

    the "help me buy a bike" threads are really stale

    do your OWN research and buy what works for YOU who cares what some guy in Oregon thinks he is not riding the same type of stuff that you are.

    he shoulda gone to a regional forum and asked what is a good bike for riding in our area rather than saying i've got a budget of $1000 you folks do all the work for me and then finally i'll buy what on sale at the shop.

    the best piece of advice i can give is... disregard any of the opinions on here or the reviews and do your own research Iíve seen too many new riders being led astray by bogus opinions and hokey knowledge by self-proclaimed experts on here and other cycling forums.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HAL 9000 View Post
    bottom line nobody gives a sh*t

    the "help me buy a bike" threads are really stale
    I might agree with you, except for two points.

    1) He wasn't really writing one of the typical "help me" threads. He did lots of research, rode bikes, and posted his own findings. His thread was on topic. It was in the 29er section, and it was his "story" about looking for a 29" bike. He asked for help as almost an afterthought. more like, "if I missed anything, feel free to let me know."

    2) for the people who were upset because they "had" to read it. It's their own fault. It would be like if they were walking down the street, and a building had a sign out saying "Fat, Old, Naked Guys Inside", they walked in, then got upset because the place was full of fat old naked guys.

    Quote Originally Posted by HAL 9000 View Post
    do your OWN research and buy what works for YOU who cares what some guy in Oregon thinks he is not riding the same type of stuff that you are.

    he shoulda gone to a regional forum and asked what is a good bike for riding in our area rather than saying i've got a budget of $1000 you folks do all the work for me and then finally i'll buy what on sale at the shop.

    the best piece of advice i can give is... disregard any of the opinions on here or the reviews and do your own research Iíve seen too many new riders being led astray by bogus opinions and hokey knowledge by self-proclaimed experts on here and other cycling forums.

    It looked like he did his own research. He rode half a dozen bikes. I thought he did due diligence. As a new person here myself, maybe I'm missing something.

    As to the regional thing, I have a feeling if he posted it there, you'd have someone complaining that he was looking for a 29er, and should have posted in that forum.

    On the final point. In the end, that's what he did. He found the bike that suited him, in his price range, with the options he wanted. He had narrowed his selection down due to his findings, not those of people from a continent away.

    I thought it was a good thread, other's peoples opinions may vary with use.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying-Monkey View Post
    I might agree with you, except for two points.

    1) He wasn't really writing one of the typical "help me" threads. He did lots of research, rode bikes, and posted his own findings. His thread was on topic. It was in the 29er section, and it was his "story" about looking for a 29" bike. He asked for help as almost an afterthought. more like, "if I missed anything, feel free to let me know."

    2) for the people who were upset because they "had" to read it. It's their own fault. It would be like if they were walking down the street, and a building had a sign out saying "Fat, Old, Naked Guys Inside", they walked in, then got upset because the place was full of fat old naked guys.




    It looked like he did his own research. He rode half a dozen bikes. I thought he did due diligence. As a new person here myself, maybe I'm missing something.

    As to the regional thing, I have a feeling if he posted it there, you'd have someone complaining that he was looking for a 29er, and should have posted in that forum.

    On the final point. In the end, that's what he did. He found the bike that suited him, in his price range, with the options he wanted. He had narrowed his selection down due to his findings, not those of people from a continent away.

    I thought it was a good thread, other's peoples opinions may vary with use.



    Did his own research? He is not the first person, there is absolutely nothing ground breaking.

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    I am surprised by what I perceive as animosity on this type of topic. Between the hostile reception he had from the first two replies, to the "nobody gives a s***" from a guy I have found to be rather insightful in his comments, to the "Did his own research? He is not the first person, there is absolutely nothing ground breaking." comment, which I get the impression was not a warm and fuzzy response.

    Unless I am reading your comment wrong, you're suggesting his thread has no value because he's not the first person to look for a 29er, and wrote nothing groundbreaking.

    I don't think there's been many adventure tales that compare to the Epic of Gilgamesh. Those ancient Mesopotamians literally wrote the book on epic adventures. From what I take of your comment, we shouldn't bother continuing to make adventure stories, there's been nothing groundbreaking since then. (Although, looking at what's coming out of Hollywood these days, maybe that's not such a bad idea.)

    Forums would die a lonely death of thread starvation, if ground breaking was the standard that had to be met to write that first post.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying-Monkey View Post
    I am surprised by what I perceive as animosity on this type of topic. Between the hostile reception he had from the first two replies, to the "nobody gives a s***" from a guy I have found to be rather insightful in his comments, to the "Did his own research? He is not the first person, there is absolutely nothing ground breaking." comment, which I get the impression was not a warm and fuzzy response.

    Unless I am reading your comment wrong, you're suggesting his thread has no value because he's not the first person to look for a 29er, and wrote nothing groundbreaking.

    I don't think there's been many adventure tales that compare to the Epic of Gilgamesh. Those ancient Mesopotamians literally wrote the book on epic adventures. From what I take of your comment, we shouldn't bother continuing to make adventure stories, there's been nothing groundbreaking since then. (Although, looking at what's coming out of Hollywood these days, maybe that's not such a bad idea.)

    Forums would die a lonely death of thread starvation, if ground breaking was the standard that had to be met to write that first post.



    Yep, his and the twelve other "which bike" threads last week.

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    Quote Originally Posted by HAL 9000 View Post
    bottom line nobody gives a sh*t
    Sh*t is the one thing that everybody gives.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    Yep, his and the twelve other "which bike" threads last week.
    Some of them must have been deleted.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/search.php?searchid=12427851

    I count three. One about his bike quest, another about buying something to secure your new bike with, and one asking about a bike someone he knows was trying to sell him.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Axe View Post
    Sh*t is the one thing that everybody gives.
    AND SOMETIMES TOO MUCH !!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying-Monkey View Post
    Some of them must have been deleted.

    http://forums.mtbr.com/search.php?searchid=12427851

    I count three. One about his bike quest, another about buying something to secure your new bike with, and one asking about a bike someone he knows was trying to sell him.





    Good you know how the search function works. So search and read and post less.

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    Quote Originally Posted by roadie scum View Post
    Good you know how the search function works. So search and read and post less.
    Now where's the fun in that?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Stripes View Post
    +1. I'd rep you, but that would defeat the purpose
    I'm tipping back a pacifico in your honor, right now!

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    Quote Originally Posted by DWill View Post
    I can't believe this thread is even here much less still alive.

    Is it possible to neg rep a whole thread?
    You can only dole out like 10 or 20 reps a day I think, but its still worth a try.
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    Quote Originally Posted by car bone View Post
    You can only dole out like 10 or 20 reps a day I think, but its still worth a try.
    It's 10
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying-Monkey View Post
    Now where's the fun in that?
    Yes that would be to fast im sure
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    Quote Originally Posted by muzzanic View Post
    Yes that would be to fast im sure
    Fast scares me! The only reason I'd want a light bike, is because I am lazy. That whole speed thing is highly over rated.
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    Quote Originally Posted by roadie scum View Post
    Good you know how the search function works. So search and read and post less.
    While I'm back here, I might as well give a semi serious response to this.

    Fortunately for me, I have a lot of forum experience. I feel bad for the guys who come here for help, have no idea how a forum works, are frankly afraid of computers to some degree, and then get the "do a search" shout down.

    Have you tried to get good information by way of search on here? It's not easy. There's a lot of "because", pay more, get more, it's made of better materials, it's faster/lighter/stronger, etc.

    I get the impression that many people buy something, because they're told it's better, and sometimes the quality IS better, but beyond that, they don't know why they got it. When pressured to explain, they get upset, maybe realizing they paid more, without knowing why.

    So I ask, I poke, I prod, I dig for answers as to "WHY" is it better for me. Is it really something that's going to improve my riding experience, or is it something that I won't notice, because I haven't ridden long enough to know the difference. Or I don't ride hard enough to need the super high quality item that's being "sold" to me.


    So, when it comes to replies in such threads, it comes down to the people who actually know something, and are willing to help, people who don't know the answer, but want to try to help, and then there's the angry people, who didn't know to ask the right questions, paid too much, or bought the wrong things too many times, and instead of helping others learn from their mistakes, make petty comments trying to hurt instead of help.

    The next time any of you catch yourself answering a post asking for help, ask yourself, which of these people are you?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying-Monkey View Post
    So, when it comes to replies in such threads, it comes down to the people who actually know something, and are willing to help, people who don't know the answer, but want to try to help, and then there's the angry people, who didn't know to ask the right questions, paid too much, or bought the wrong things too many times, and instead of helping others learn from their mistakes, make petty comments trying to hurt instead of help.

    The next time any of you catch yourself answering a post asking for help, ask yourself, which of these people are you?
    Oooooooor, the people who have the knowledge and experience get tired of answering the exact same question over and over again, especially when the poster isn't willing to give even the most rudimentary effort to find the answer themselves.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad mechanic View Post
    Oooooooor, the people who have the knowledge and experience get tired of answering the exact same question over and over again, especially when the poster isn't willing to give even the most rudimentary effort to find the answer themselves.
    Yeah, but I am sure that they would be going with the "Mama" principal of, "if you ain't got nutting nice to say..." and would refrain from posting. Thus why I didn't include them in my breakdown.
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    Quote Originally Posted by muzzanic View Post
    It's 10
    you have 2222 posts man you have to celebrate this.
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    How does a fella check his reps?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mbmb65 View Post
    How does a fella check his reps?
    click 'my account' and it will show.

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    I didn't go through this whole thread, so maybe my concerns with the reputation thing have been covered.

    Just today I figured out how to look at my itemized reputation points in the user control panel. I started poking around because I've been getting dinged for stuff that I don't feel like I should be getting dinged for.

    I'm currently, smack in the middle of a thread in which contributors have two polar opposite opinions... often times, there is no gray area. While some of my responses have been a little testy, the bottom line is that I am voicing my opinion and real experiences about the thread to provide some insight to outsiders that might show up here looking for information. I'm not bashing anybody or trolling. I've got a couple negative reps from that thread recently. One of them is signed: "feel better now?" and another is signed: "sack up sally." What the hell is that? Sharing real life experiences warrants anonymous negative rep and insults?

    Another thread, I received a negative rep because I publicly praised another member on here. The comment was "keep it in PM" Right. I want to give praise, but I need to keep it private. Meanwhile, I receive anonymous negative reputation, because I publicly praise someone. That makes sense.

    It's other peoples right to give me reputation based on their opinion of my posts, I guess, but why keep it anonymous? It's designed to help people weed through what might be crap posts. But since this system is being kept in the forum - and I do think it has its place - I think that it needs to be public.

    People here, i hope are smart enough to weed through posts as valuable or crap independently of a person's 'reputation' So what's the point of that feature? A public reputation fueled by anonymous comments that can be sent for any reason, just doesnt seem right.

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    The way I look at it, is if you're getting neg rep for nothing, it's because you've PO'd some troll. Him giving you a neg rep is his way of saying you hurt him. But he's too scared to actually say it to you publicly.

    I just smile when I see that, and know that instead of them upsetting someone else, the tables were turned on them.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying-Monkey View Post
    The way I look at it, is if you're getting neg rep for nothing,
    a lot of times a person who thinks he isn't being a jerk actually is. aren't any of you married?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying-Monkey View Post
    The way I look at it, is if you're getting neg rep for nothing, it's because you've PO'd some troll. Him giving you a neg rep is his way of saying you hurt him. But he's too scared to actually say it to you publicly.

    I just smile when I see that, and know that instead of them upsetting someone else, the tables were turned on them.



    Or someone has a legit issue with your posts.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    Or someone has a legit issue with your posts.
    Possible. My experience on other forums such a person will contact you directly and give a heads up if you're acting out of line.

    Versus a neg rep here with just a comment like "go away". Nothing constrictive, just insulting.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flying-Monkey View Post
    Possible. My experience on other forums such a person will contact you directly and give a heads up if you're acting out of line.

    Versus a neg rep here with just a comment like "go away". Nothing constrictive, just insulting.



    Respectfully, your expectations of this board are unrealistic. Your experience on other boards means little on this one. You are not going to change anything on this board. You alienated a lot of people with your constant posting about rep, starting threads about it and going so far as to put it in your sig. Leave it alone for a while, give it a rest. No one likes the in your face approach, especially from someone who joined as recently as you did. My two cents and my last post on it.

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    I am sure you' correct. I didn't expect to change the ones abusing the system. My intention was more to give the ones who were offended by the trolling neg rep, a different way of looking at it.
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    Rep power as close to zero is the optimum ranking. Too much green, and you're a kiss ass, too much red and you're just an ass.

    I definitely get a lot of random neg rep because I pissed a couple people off early on, they gathered their buddies and they just neg rep whenever they see a post of mine and they have rep to give... Petty people like that are sad, sad people...

    Their method of bullying consists of calling all of your posts, even when completely on topic and useful, as troll attempts and they call you a troll and then take it a step farther and say you're not even a good troll. This is normal forum behavior by insecure people... They exist in real life too. They are the passive aggressive morons at your work place that are frightened of confrontation...

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    Quote Originally Posted by danhasdrums View Post
    I definitely get a lot of random neg rep because I pissed a couple people off early on, they gathered their buddies...
    Paranoia. Good stuff.


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    If you get a negative rep cause somebody didn't like your post, so be it...
    If you get a positive rep cause somebody liked your post, be it so...
    If it matters so much what rep you get, don't post it ...
    If it doesn't matter what rep you get, then post it ...
    Like it or not, it is what it is, for what ever it is, to what ever it is, so be it ...
    After all, the fact that we can post it at all is all that matters...so post it ...
    What ?...
    Whatever !....
    Just post it :....
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    Quote Originally Posted by torque29er View Post
    If you get a negative rep cause somebody didn't like your post, so be it...
    If you get a positive rep cause somebody liked your post, be it so...
    If it matters so much what rep you get, don't post it ...
    If it doesn't matter what rep you get, then post it ...
    Like it or not, it is what it is, for what ever it is, to what ever it is, so be it ...
    After all, the fact that we can post it at all is all that matters...so post it ...
    What ?...
    Whatever !....
    Just post it :....
    I totally get what you're saying here... in the grand scheme of things, your reputation on this site means absolutely nothing.

    My gripe is that the system is clearly flawed and while I'm sure the intent of the rep system is good, it really seems to have no point. When something is broken, I believe it should be fixed rather than everyone just dealing with it as is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BShow View Post
    I totally get what you're saying here... in the grand scheme of things, your reputation on this site means absolutely nothing.

    My gripe is that the system is clearly flawed and while I'm sure the intent of the rep system is good, it really seems to have no point. When something is broken, I believe it should be fixed rather than everyone just dealing with it as is.
    Dealing with it as is takes less energy, and why waste energy on something which means nothing in the grand scheme of things?

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad mechanic View Post
    Dealing with it as is takes less energy, and why waste energy on something which means nothing in the grand scheme of things?
    Getting a Negative rep is not always a bad thing... It sometimes lets you know the narrow mindedness of some people...

    and Again... If you allow neg rep vote, it should only be allowed by a constructive criticism and without being condescending of your post, not just because they don't agree with you because they feel differently with no real ability to explain themselves other that they don't agree with your post. Or they just don't know anything and they are just being negative and pessimistic. Our society if full of this with no regards for the human condition and respect for others opinions.
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    Quote Originally Posted by bad mechanic View Post
    Dealing with it as is takes less energy, and why waste energy on something which means nothing in the grand scheme of things?
    Yeah, this.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad mechanic View Post
    Dealing with it as is takes less energy, and why waste energy on something which means nothing in the grand scheme of things?
    Fair enough...

    But things that are broken, frustrate people. That frustration causes people to make posts here that in turn frustrate other people. I'm sure it's also a significant time suck for the moderators to deal with reputation complaints. It seems like it causes a chain reaction that could ultimately tarnish people's opinion of the forum as a whole.

    The people that run this site, should be striving to make it as productive as can be; no? Having features that don't work, or work marginally, seems counterintuitive.

    I guess, at some point, maybe it'll cause enough headaches that they'll flip the switch and turn it off. Or not and they'll just leave it running. Or maybe they'll make some tweaks to it. Who knows.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BShow View Post
    Fair enough...

    But things that are broken, frustrate people. That frustration causes people to make posts here that in turn frustrate other people. I'm sure it's also a significant time suck for the moderators to deal with reputation complaints. It seems like it causes a chain reaction that could ultimately tarnish people's opinion of the forum as a whole.

    The people that run this site, should be striving to make it as productive as can be; no? Having features that don't work, or work marginally, seems counterintuitive.

    I guess, at some point, maybe it'll cause enough headaches that they'll flip the switch and turn it off. Or not and they'll just leave it running. Or maybe they'll make some tweaks to it. Who knows.
    I don't believe it to be broken either. To quote myself "Overall, I think the rep thing works just fine. So who cares if you get hit with negative every once in a while? It's not like it affects anything anyway. It's a good way to give feedback without cluttering up the thread itself.". Really, people just need to stop focusing on it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bad mechanic View Post
    I don't believe it to be broken either. To quote myself "Overall, I think the rep thing works just fine. So who cares if you get hit with negative every once in a while? It's not like it affects anything anyway. It's a good way to give feedback without cluttering up the thread itself.". Really, people just need to stop focusing on it.

    That's fine...

    Once I started poking around the reputation system the other day, I came to the conclusion that I don't agree with the way that it works. I searched for Reputation threads because I wanted to voice my opinion as such. Here I am. I do see where you're coming from, so let's agree to disagree. Moving on...

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    The rep system is still kinda new here, give it a while and people won't even bother to mention it. However, I still think MTBR should automatically sign rep so the recipient knows who it is coming from. That would prevent much of the "spammed" negative rep that everyone gets. The negative rep for no reason is what's causing the problems, and MTBR auto-signing each rep would fix that...so it makes sense to me, at least, to have MTBR do that...

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    Quote Originally Posted by BShow View Post
    Fair enough...

    But things that are broken, frustrate people. That frustration causes people to make posts here that in turn frustrate other people. I'm sure it's also a significant time suck for the moderators to deal with reputation complaints. It seems like it causes a chain reaction that could ultimately tarnish people's opinion of the forum as a whole.

    The people that run this site, should be striving to make it as productive as can be; no? Having features that don't work, or work marginally, seems counterintuitive.

    I guess, at some point, maybe it'll cause enough headaches that they'll flip the switch and turn it off. Or not and they'll just leave it running. Or maybe they'll make some tweaks to it. Who knows.
    I agree, In fact any time people spend in this thread means there not out trying to help someone elsewere.
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