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    Forum Reputation and Rep Power. What is it?

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    Now that we have upgraded to a newer version of the forums, we have access to about a dozen awesome new features. One of the features attracting a lot of attention is Reputation and Rep Power.

    What is it and why is it important?<br>
    It is a way of sorting who are the really good contributors to the forum and who are not. It's like Ebay's seller Rating where you can quickly tell who are the established/trusted members of the group and whether you should buy from them or not. In our case, it's whether we should read their stuff or not.

    Basically, anybody can rate anyone and the users decide who are the best members of the group. In the future, it will help us bubble up and listen to the best content in the forum. And it will help us manage the spam and the garbage.

    At the mininim, it can be fun.

    The basics:<br>
    <img src="http://forums.roadbikereview.com/images/buttons/reputation.gif"> - This allows you to rank another user + or - and say something about them.

    Reputation Rating <img src="http://forums.mtbr.com/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif"> - The total of all the rankings other folks have given you. One green dot = 100 rating points

    Reputation Power - The weight of the + reputation you give to others. More established users wield a bigger sword when rating other users.
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    To see how others have rated you, go to the bottom of your Account page:
    http://forums.mtbr.com/usercp.php

    To see all the users sorted by Reputation:<br>
    http://forums.mtbr.com/memberlist.ph...utation&pp=100

    For the nitty gritty of how it calculates Reputation and Reputation Power, here are the settings:
    Register Date Factor - For every X number of days, users gain 1 point of reputation-altering power.<br>
    365

    Post Count Factor - For every X number of posts, users gain 1 point of reputation-altering power.<br>
    1000

    Reputation Point Factor - For every X points of reputation, users gain 1 point of reputation-altering power.<br>
    100

    Minimum Post Count - How many posts must a user have before his reputation hits count on others?<br>
    50

    Minimum Reputation Count - How much reputation must a user have before his reputation hits count on others?<br>
    10

    Daily Reputation Clicks Limit - How many reputation clicks can a user give over each 24 hour period? Administrators are exempt from this limit.<br>
    10

    Reputation User Spread - How many different users must you give reputation to before you can hit the same person again? Administrators are exempt from this limit.<br>
    100

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    Well, it doesn't work so great. Every post I make is either frickin hilarious, or brilliant, and nobody gives me f@#$% sh#$. But.....I say one little thing that someone doesn't like, and they're all over my S#$%!!!

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    Thanks for the explanation.

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    So if you look at the feedback people give you at your account page, it is obvious that a green square is positive and a red square is negative, but what's a blue square?

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    I don't think they have rep power
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Yep, neutral rep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    Yep, neutral rep.
    But when you give someone rep, your choice is positive or negative. So, neutral means that they have no rep power to transfer positive or negative e-vibes to you, but if they don't leave a comment, you don't know if they liked your post or didn't. It's just...blue.

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    If it's negative - they have to leave a comment
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Quote Originally Posted by highdelll View Post
    If it's negative - they have to leave a comment


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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    What is it and why is it important?<br>
    It is a way of sorting who are the really good contributors to the forum and who are not. It's like Ebay's seller Rating where you can quickly tell who are the established/trusted members of the group and whether you should buy from them or not. In our case, it's whether we should read their stuff or not.

    Basically, anybody can rate anyone and the users decide who are the best members of the group. In the future, it will help us bubble up and listen to the best content in the forum. And it will help us manage the spam and the garbage.

    At the mininim, it can be fun.
    Ok, this is an excellent concept. There are many "experts" here giving out really bad advice! (God bless their self centered, myopic, egotistical, testosterone inflamed hearts! )

    However, after watching this for some time, it seems to be a good old boy, cliquish game. "You support by pork barrel amendment, and I will support yours." Being clever and funny will get you more rep than being knowledgeable and experienced. Look at the NorCal, Singlespeed forums for example, whoever has the most rep is not often the most knowledgeable, but they may have charisma. The people who I have learned really know what they state, and are the most helpful, often have very low values in both.

    So it seems that you still have to know whose advice is good, and whose is not. The Rep items don't seem to be moving in the reliable, trustworthy direction.

    Maybe I just need to give it six months or so for the feeling of power to wear off and it will become the tool it is designed to be. Now it is the shiny new toy that, like a squirt gun, you can indiscriminately spray everyone in sight, and the dog, and the cat, and the sidewalk, and the telephone pole, and the fire hydrant?
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    It's a good idea in theory but the practicality is more the problem. In my local forum it just makes a high school clique mentality that makes it rough for veteran cyclists that have been riding for years to have an opinion that differs from the "established clique" of 3 or 4 users that are just part of a riding group that filibuster the forum.

    I guess it's more the problem of Internet message boards in general that depending how much time you have to waste and constantly post and post and bash your point of view over and over again in every thread is the people that get the rep and the last word.

    Honestly, for someone who has a different perspective it's not fun, as you just end up having to argue every point or get bullied by multiple people even though they have nothing to contribute, they just post to argue for the sake of arguing, because they don't like a certain user or a point of view that is subjective.

    So for a new poster but veteran cyclist, it doesn't really work, as they would have to either put up with a lot of bickering and useless posts, or get their cycling group to participate int he forum to try and drown out the other group.

    So to me the only thing this rep system does is promote cliques where people support each other no matter what, like a political party and makes things more political than facts based. I see the most success on concentrating on a per post basis, instead of the user, as the important content is the text in the post, not the user, also this would prevent useless posts just for the sake of posting, which can get out of hand.

    My 2 cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BrokenAnimator View Post
    It's a good idea in theory but the practicality is more the problem. In my local forum it just makes a high school clique mentality that makes it rough for veteran cyclists that have been riding for years to have an opinion that differs from the "established clique" of 3 or 4 users that are just part of a riding group that filibuster the forum.

    I guess it's more the problem of Internet message boards in general that depending how much time you have to waste and constantly post and post and bash your point of view over and over again in every thread is the people that get the rep and the last word.

    Honestly, for someone who has a different perspective it's not fun, as you just end up having to argue every point or get bullied by multiple people even though they have nothing to contribute, they just post to argue for the sake of arguing, because they don't like a certain user or a point of view that is subjective.

    So for a new poster but veteran cyclist, it doesn't really work, as they would have to either put up with a lot of bickering and useless posts, or get their cycling group to participate int he forum to try and drown out the other group.

    So to me the only thing this rep system does is promote cliques where people support each other no matter what, like a political party and makes things more political than facts based. I see the most success on concentrating on a per post basis, instead of the user, as the important content is the text in the post, not the user, also this would prevent useless posts just for the sake of posting, which can get out of hand.

    My 2 cents.
    That is turning out to be a good point. Sometimes the establishment doesn't really know what they are talking about, but they have those rep points based on sheer numbers of posts.
    I ran into that recently, when I was explaining that you really shouldn't mix up drivetrain parts made for different speed drivetrains. IE, it's not a good idea to mix and match 8, 9 and 10 spd drivetrains. Some get lucky and give out bad advice based on that luck, and are listened to based on Reputation. I have practical experience with mixing drivetrain parts from different spd drivetrains (accidentally) and know that Sram and Shimano do know their products and mixing things is a bad idea.
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    A month + later and rep power still can't be turned off, despite the following in the FAQ:

    "What if I don't want anyone to see my reputation?

    You can disable the display of your reputation by going to your User CP and selecting Edit Options. On this page you will find a check box labelled 'Show Your Reputation Level'. Un-checking this box will remove the display of your reputation and replace it with the Reputation Disabled icon. You can still give and receive reputation while your reputation display is disabled."

    When will we be able to disable our reputation? The check box labelled 'Show Your Reputation Level' does not exist. At least not in My Account for me.

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    Mine's broken - stupid square is green again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    <img src="http://forums.mtbr.com/picture.php?albumid=5&pictureid=22" align="right">
    Now that we have upgraded to a newer version of the forums, we have access to about a dozen awesome new features. One of the features attracting a lot of attention is Reputation and Rep Power.

    What is it and why is it important?<br>
    It is a way of sorting who are the really good contributors to the forum and who are not. It's like Ebay's seller Rating where you can quickly tell who are the established/trusted members of the group and whether you should buy from them or not. In our case, it's whether we should read their stuff or not.

    Basically, anybody can rate anyone and the users decide who are the best members of the group. In the future, it will help us bubble up and listen to the best content in the forum. And it will help us manage the spam and the garbage.

    At the mininim, it can be fun.

    The basics:<br>
    <img src="http://forums.roadbikereview.com/images/buttons/reputation.gif"> - This allows you to rank another user + or - and say something about them.

    Reputation Rating <img src="http://forums.mtbr.com/images/reputation/reputation_pos.gif"> - The total of all the rankings other folks have given you. One green dot = 100 rating points

    Reputation Power - The weight of the + reputation you give to others. More established users wield a bigger sword when rating other users.
    <br><br>

    To see how others have rated you, go to the bottom of your Account page:
    http://forums.mtbr.com/usercp.php

    To see all the users sorted by Reputation:<br>
    http://forums.mtbr.com/memberlist.ph...utation&pp=100

    For the nitty gritty of how it calculates Reputation and Reputation Power, here are the settings:
    Register Date Factor - For every X number of days, users gain 1 point of reputation-altering power.<br>
    365

    Post Count Factor - For every X number of posts, users gain 1 point of reputation-altering power.<br>
    1000

    Reputation Point Factor - For every X points of reputation, users gain 1 point of reputation-altering power.<br>
    100

    Minimum Post Count - How many posts must a user have before his reputation hits count on others?<br>
    50

    Minimum Reputation Count - How much reputation must a user have before his reputation hits count on others?<br>
    10

    Daily Reputation Clicks Limit - How many reputation clicks can a user give over each 24 hour period? Administrators are exempt from this limit.<br>
    10

    Reputation User Spread - How many different users must you give reputation to before you can hit the same person again? Administrators are exempt from this limit.<br>
    100
    The system is broken Francois. You've stepped back to the 17th century and witch hunts and the stoning to the death of innocent people, without a fair trial.
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    Quote Originally Posted by RandyBoy View Post
    The system is broken Francois. You've stepped back to the 17th century and witch hunts and the stoning to the death of innocent people, without a fair trial.
    Yep...
    I got negative rep points for making a joke.
    I got negative rep points and called names, for bringing up a very legit point about the ad and link bar on the right.

    These people that are doing this are long time trouble makers around these forums.
    Trolls another words.
    Some of them are getting rep points themselves, by being insulting and unprofessional.
    Some of their posts aren't in ignorance like I once thought, they must be deliberately misinforming others for the fun of it.


    It's a clique mentality.
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    No matter what negatives you can list about this rep system, it is important to remember that it really doesn't matter.

    I think that's a pretty good point I just made, so go ahead and click that f&^%$ing yellow thumbs up thing for me!!

    Do it!!!!!

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    We all just need cool tattoos like CHUM so we can have 7 green chiclets!

    *EDIT - Preemptively increased the # to 7
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    rutherknox is a troll

    the poster known as rutherknox is a known internet troll and should not be allowed to post on any site on the internet.

    Moderators take note.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Troll_Hunter View Post
    the poster known as rutherknox is a known internet troll and should not be allowed to post on any site on the internet.

    Moderators take note.
    You need more rep for anyone to believe you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr View Post
    You need more rep for anyone to believe you.


    Yep.

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    Weird, my account page isn't showing the rating others have given me.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mrbubbles View Post
    Weird, my account page isn't showing the rating others have given me.
    Check it now.

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    Now it works, that's weird.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr View Post
    Mine's broken - stupid square is green again.
    That's weird, mine is now a pulsing, rasta colored blinking chicklet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mrwhlr View Post
    Mine's broken - stupid square is green again.
    HAAA! HA!!!

    Gotcha!

    I'm doin' my best to keep your green thingy on 'cause I know it infuriates you!



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    i see some green and grey squares in my rep list. what are the grey ones?

    love the site so far

    thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Waltah View Post
    i see some green and grey squares in my rep list. what are the grey ones?

    love the site so far

    thanks!


    Grey represents zero, if it was neg. rep. a comment has to be left, otherwise it was pos.rep from someone with zero reputation.

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    good stuff, thanks for the quick reply.
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    OK,

    Thanks for taking care of my stupid green square - red again, and working great!


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    the red really brings out your eyes
    Honestly... ahh I give up

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    Mention a particular online bike retailer in anything resembling an unflattering light, and you'll not only get neg rep, but they'll insult your wife too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bluestatevirgin View Post
    Mention a particular online bike retailer in anything resembling an unflattering light, and you'll not only get neg rep, but they'll insult your wife too.
    Yep. There are factory reps and company fans willing to say anything or do anything to defend even the worst products.
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    it becomes ridiculous when people start dishing negative rep out at random. I got a period as the negative reputation comment when I said this:

    Quote Originally Posted by ehigh View Post
    damn, those were awesome videos. that is an incredible speed to go out
    the fastest I've done was short 50 mph, but nothing like coming down Tioga

    the system shouldn't be anonymous. it should be shown when someone reps you either way

    I blacked out the thread names, but here's what I think the system should look more like


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    agreed ^
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    Quote Originally Posted by ehigh View Post
    it becomes ridiculous when people start dishing negative rep out at random. I got a period as the negative reputation comment when I said this:


    Originally Posted by ehigh
    damn, those were awesome videos. that is an incredible speed to go out
    the fastest I've done was short 50 mph, but nothing like coming down Tioga


    the system shouldn't be anonymous. it should be shown when someone reps you either way

    I blacked out the thread names, but here's what I think the system should look more like...

    Dude that's hilarious. Your negative comment was a period, because your post was missing at least one!

    But I agree that's no reason for neg rep, and I think that's a good idea to show where the rep is coming from, although it would lead to tit for tat retaliation.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smilinsteve View Post
    Dude that's hilarious. Your negative comment was a period, because your post was missing at least one!

    But I agree that's no reason for neg rep, and I think that's a good idea to show where the rep is coming from, although it would lead to tit for tat retaliation.
    dude, now I realize that's why they neg repped me. it is actually kind of funny. I mean, negative rep-what does it really amount to at the end of the day?

    I certainly would add to a drama level on the forums, but this is how I see that it could be played out

    make it so that you can see who reps who.
    the forums are already becoming more dramatic with a reputation feature and with the abliity to see who gave you negative rep, it will become even worse.
    the feature of negative rep doesn't entirely seem necessary. the only people that I really see as worth of using it is forum moderators. people who post more informative posts will simply have a high amount of rep. negative rep simply creates drama.

    they could even still keep negative rep.

    the forums need money, right?
    charge people a 'donation fee' and they can negative rep. if the people who donate abuse their ability to do it, a moderator should be able to take it away from them.

    what I just said is exactly what happened over a few years time on the other forum I browse.
    started the same as here, anonymous rep system-and now is what it is.
    It works a lot better and their seems to be a much more positive vibe to the forum as a result.

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    Should be interesting to see what it all looks like in 5-6 months.

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    a couple automotive forums i am on have public rep systems. great communities as well.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ehigh View Post
    dude, now I realize that's why they neg repped me. it is actually kind of funny. I mean, negative rep-what does it really amount to at the end of the day?

    I certainly would add to a drama level on the forums, but this is how I see that it could be played out

    make it so that you can see who reps who.
    the forums are already becoming more dramatic with a reputation feature and with the abliity to see who gave you negative rep, it will become even worse.
    the feature of negative rep doesn't entirely seem necessary. the only people that I really see as worth of using it is forum moderators. people who post more informative posts will simply have a high amount of rep. negative rep simply creates drama.

    they could even still keep negative rep.

    the forums need money, right?
    charge people a 'donation fee' and they can negative rep. if the people who donate abuse their ability to do it, a moderator should be able to take it away from them.

    what I just said is exactly what happened over a few years time on the other forum I browse.
    started the same as here, anonymous rep system-and now is what it is.
    It works a lot better and their seems to be a much more positive vibe to the forum as a result.


    Who determines what constitutes abuse?

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    Who determines what constitutes abuse?
    When someone is being calm and respective in a debate about the laws of a given area and they receive negative reputation by the person they are debating, that constitutes abuse. They received because the person debating them didn't like what they had to say. Opinions should generally stay out of it. If someone negative reps a person because they recommend Avid brakes, that's abuse. They should discuss it.

    If someone walks into a thread talking about the positive aspects of their low-end bike and how they enjoy and begins trolling on their low budget, that seems worthy. If a person mocks people, is disrespectful, childish, or flat out rude-then they deserve it.

    A person can disagree with another person and communicate it in a manner that isn't, "f-you a-hole" but rather, "I don't entirely agree with your statement, and this is why..."

    There are clearly a lot of grey areas in the matter, but I think that it is clear. Of course, this could only work if the system was set up so that the people who could negative rep others were only those who "donated" to the website and forum moderators. In the present state, there are to many people giving out inane and childish negative reputation points for the forum moderators to deal with. Currently, they have limited resources. I believe that MTBR should recruit some more of the veteran browsers to become forum moderators. Not administrators, but people with the powers to calm things down and take care of some of the petty drama present on the boards.

    Admittedly, it is difficult. However, they did add quite an imperfect reputation system that so far has only increased the level of drama here. I think that it is their responsibility to fix it up a little.

    Quote Originally Posted by slocaus View Post
    Ok, this is an excellent concept. There are many "experts" here giving out really bad advice! (God bless their self centered, myopic, egotistical, testosterone inflamed hearts! )

    However, after watching this for some time, it seems to be a good old boy, cliquish game. "You support by pork barrel amendment, and I will support yours." Being clever and funny will get you more rep than being knowledgeable and experienced. Look at the NorCal, Singlespeed forums for example, whoever has the most rep is not often the most knowledgeable, but they may have charisma. The people who I have learned really know what they state, and are the most helpful, often have very low values in both.

    So it seems that you still have to know whose advice is good, and whose is not. The Rep items don't seem to be moving in the reliable, trustworthy direction.

    Maybe I just need to give it six months or so for the feeling of power to wear off and it will become the tool it is designed to be. Now it is the shiny new toy that, like a squirt gun, you can indiscriminately spray everyone in sight, and the dog, and the cat, and the sidewalk, and the telephone pole, and the fire hydrant?
    Unfortunately, I don't think this part of the rep system will ever change. On most forums, it is those who are funny or can post a funny picture at the right time who have the most reputation. The mechanics and bike builders who really know their stuff probably won't have much rep unless they truly strive for it. It's a broken system that you can only try to help. But that aspect-it won't really change.
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    Can someone please tell this dummy where I see what others have said? There's nothing in my CP as far as I can tell.

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    Quote Originally Posted by RTM View Post
    Can someone please tell this dummy where I see what others have said? There's nothing in my CP as far as I can tell.
    Scroll way way way





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    Quote Originally Posted by francois View Post
    What is it and why is it important?<br>
    It is a way of sorting who are the really good contributors to the forum and who are not. It's like Ebay's seller Rating where you can quickly tell who are the established/trusted members of the group and whether you should buy from them or not. In our case, it's whether we should read their stuff or not.

    Basically, anybody can rate anyone and the users decide who are the best members of the group. In the future, it will help us bubble up and listen to the best content in the forum. And it will help us manage the spam and the garbage.

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    These two are incompatible, since you have to "spread it around" before you can tag the "really good contributors" again. Defeats that whole idea.
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    Quote Originally Posted by slocaus View Post
    These two are incompatible, since you have to "spread it around" before you can tag the "really good contributors" again. Defeats that whole idea.



    /\ This I agree with , I would like to see the cycle cut in half. Too many excellent posters going without the rep they deserve, have to give rep to average posts just to be able to rep the worthy ones. My two cents.

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    Quote Originally Posted by AZ.MTNS View Post
    /\ This I agree with , I would like to see the cycle cut in half. Too many excellent posters going without the rep they deserve, have to give rep to average posts just to be able to rep the worthy ones. My two cents.
    'cept this also allows the troll reps to happen twice as fast.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CarolinaLL6 View Post
    'cept this also allows the troll reps to happen twice as fast.



    The quality posters will be here long after the trolls have gone their way.

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    I used to wonder why Facebook didn't have a "Dislike" button, but I sure understand now after a few months of this. LOL.

    Actually, if FB did add a button like that, it would show which of your friends did it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Ericmopar View Post
    I used to wonder why Facebook didn't have a "Dislike" button, but I sure understand now after a few months of this. LOL.

    Actually, if FB did add a button like that, it would show which of your friends did it.
    I hate Mopars, but Eric is a pretty decent guy... my repping him is a conflict of interest?

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    Quote Originally Posted by slocaus View Post
    Scroll way way way down to the bottom.
    no luck! I've been checking everywhere. Scrolling down as far as possible, nothing!

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