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    WI Eno crank and BB suggestions

    I have a WI ENO single speed crank coming, and am looking to buy a comparable bb. I see they sell a nice bb, but am wondering about a Phil Wood regular or outboard bb. I am not a big guy or masher, and the Jabber it's going on it stiff. Any suggestions (JIS taper for bb)? Thanks guys.

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    I have a WI BB to go along with my crank and it works wonderful.

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    this is what I have been using on my jabber and it has worked flawlessly.

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    You'll need a square taper BB, so forget about an external-bearing BB. The Shimano UN-54 is inexpensive and durable, but a bit heavy. Phil is nice, but pricey and requires a propiertary tool to install. the Phil is also a little finicky if your BB shell isn't perfect. IRD makes a relatively lightweight BB that spins fast and has a good price, but if you ride a lot I doubt you'll get 2 full seasons out of it. Origin 8 is making affordable ST BB's as well, though I've never used one so I can't speak to the durability.

    Personally, I like the IRD. http://store.interlocracing.com/bobrisandsqt.html
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    WI cranks have a very narrow chain line. I just installed one on a friends bike. He is using a Pauls hub. To get the chain line even close we had to go with a 125mm spindle. For the record he went with a Phil BB. and to get it installed right you have to chase the BB threads (special tool) and you should use 2 Phil Wood BB cup tools. You get the chain line right with the crank arm installed then remove the arm and tighten the 2 cups at the same time. I also installed a lock ring on the Phil BB they don't come with them so you have to improvise.

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    I've used Shimano BB-UN54 and IRD Quad55 square taper BBs for years... still waiting for one to fail. For my purposes they are interchangeable.

    CambriaBike.com has the UN54 for $12-20 depending on spindle length & shell width. Best deal out there IMO.

    http://www.cambriabike.com/shopexd.asp?Item=100026922

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    I run an ENO crank with a Phil Wood BB and I have had nothing but trouble free riding. I like the Phil Wood as you can tweek the chainline ir you need to.
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    I run an ENO crank with a Phil Wood BB and I have had nothing but trouble free riding. I like the Phil Wood as you can tweek the chainline if you need to.
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    Phil bottom brackets kick ass. You can adjust the chainline, which I don't think you can do with any other square taper. Plus it will last longer than your mind.

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    My wife and I both have WI cranks on our singlespeeds. She has the PW BB, and I have the WI BB. But since we've only been using them for four months, I can't really comment. Both seem to be good choices.
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    I have a phil wood in my santa cruz (not a SS). It works flawlessly and is not as hard to install as people are making it sound. Just have to be mindful of chainline. I will be running another middleburn phil wood combo in my next bike
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    Here's the deal with BBs... you can spend a little or you can spend a lot, but you won't feel much difference in performance. In fact, you won't feel any difference in performance. The weight savings between a PW BB and a UN54 probably isn't worth the difference in price (if there even is any weight savings with the PW). Adjustable chainline isn't necessary -- buy the correct spindle length. And as for bling factor, unless you tell people what BB you're running, you're the only one who'll know you spent so much for a virtually invisible component that performs no better than one that costs 1/5th as much. Finally, while it's true that a PW BB will last a looooong time, I'll bet the farm my UN54 will last as long (already has)... but even if it doesn't (which it will), I can buy 4 more and still have paid less than the cost of one PW.

    Sorry to tell it like it is, but IMO PW BBs are for folks who don't know better &/or suffer insecurity issues.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus
    Here's the deal with BBs... you can spend a little or you can spend a lot, but you won't feel much difference in performance. In fact, you won't feel any difference in performance.
    probably true

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    The weight savings between a PW BB and a UN54 probably isn't worth the difference in price (if there even is any weight savings with the PW).
    un54 is 313 grams. My PW is 155 grams

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    Adjustable chainline isn't necessary -- buy the correct spindle length.
    true

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    And as for bling factor, unless you tell people what BB you're running, you're the only one who'll know you spent so much for a virtually invisible component that performs no better than one that costs 1/5th as much. Finally, while it's true that a PW BB will last a looooong time, I'll bet the farm my UN54 will last as long (already has)... but even if it doesn't (which it will), I can buy 4 more and still have paid less than the cost of one PW.
    I don't ride anything for the bling factor. I ride one because they work and they are rock solid. If it works, is light, and I don't have to tinker with it.... It's worth it to me


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    Sorry to tell it like it is, but IMO PW BBs are for folks who don't know better &/or suffer insecurity issues.

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    what's the $$$ difference?

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpbova
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    un54 is 313 grams. My PW is 155 grams

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    Okay... that's over 1/3 of a pound lighter for the PW. Serious enough weight savings to justify paying plenty more. I surrender.

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    un54 - 313 grams - $20
    PW ti & magnesium - 145 grams - $272
    PW ti - 155 grams - $180
    PW steel - 215 grams - $120
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone No Balone
    what's the $$$ difference?
    $12-20 for the UN54.
    ~$100 for the PW.

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    I had a friend sheer off the non drive side of a carbon FSA BB. he said never again.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpbova
    un54 - 313 grams - $20
    PW ti & magnesium - 145 grams - $272
    PW ti - 155 grams - $180
    PW steel - 215 grams - $120
    So it becomes a dollar-to-gram priority decision. This makes sense; many riders are willing to spend hundreds of dollars to save a few grams/ounces. This weight is not rotating weight (I mean... really) and it's low in the frame so the weight savings here is not a critical as say, wheels or pedals but it is still a serious amount of weight to save -- nearly 5.6 oz.

    UN54 = $20
    PW ti = $180
    Price difference = $160
    Weight difference ~5.6 oz.
    This is about $28.60 per oz. -- not a bad price to pay for weight reduction. Many riders are willing to pay far more.

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    "about a dollar per gram"

    It sounds like we are talking about drugs
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    I was thinking about buying one of the PW's but I think I've decided to just stick with my UN54, I guess if you have the lightest of everything else on your bike (which I don't) then this might be the last piece to the puzzle, but otherwise it's pointless...for me at least. Plus, I can haul ass on my not so WW bike anyway!

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    Quote Originally Posted by jpbova
    un54 - 313 grams - $20
    PW ti & magnesium - 145 grams - $272
    PW ti - 155 grams - $180
    PW steel - 215 grams - $120
    Do the Phil Wood numbers above include the additional cost/weight of the cups?
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    without the cups. claimed weight of the cups is 11 grams actual weight 13 grams

    I believe the total actual weight of a PW ti with the cups 68/73 113mm is 163 grams. There was a thread on this a couple of weeks back
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    The WI Ti has been serving me well with my Enos.

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    For me it has nothing to do with weight. I bought a Phil bb because I was going through UN72s, then UN54s once the former were not available anymore.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nmanchin
    The WI Ti has been serving me well with my Enos.
    Is there a weight limit on the ti BB? I'm about 225# all suited up. Thanks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by miwuksurfer
    For me it has nothing to do with weight. I bought a Phil bb because I was going through UN72s, then UN54s once the former were not available anymore.
    Huh. Completely different experience here. I live in WETern Oregon where it rains (hard!) 8 months of the year and the mud is epic. Been riding cheap Shimano BBs (UN72, 54) for 20+ years, can't even begin to believe how long lived they've been. I've trained for and completed this race 4 times on bikes equipped with these cheap buggers.

    So far this year I've ridden 2,700 off-road miles which includes over 265,000' gain. I weigh ~225# suited up. My bike's got a 2 year old UN54 in it, which spins as smooth as can be.

    I'm not saying cheap Shimano BBs are the best ever, but I am saying they sure seem to take a lot of abuse for a long, long time in my case and I ride a lot. I'm surprised your experience hasn't been as good.

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    I'm not saying cheap Shimano BBs are the best ever, but I am saying they sure seem to take a lot of abuse for a long, long time in my case and I ride a lot. I'm surprised your experience hasn't been as good.

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    PW Ti BB, not so sure about them anymore

    I have a Phil Wood Ti BB and I'm really close to just pulling the thing and trying to sell it. I have a Titanium SS, and the creaking from the blasted BB is just driving me up the wall.

    So far no one has offered any suggestions about what can be done to make the clicking and creaking go away. I even called PW and they said that some Ti BBs just creak like that.

    The reason I went with an expensive PW BB is that I've heard that they're really long lasting. I've never had a cheap Shimano BB last more than 3 years. I'm going to pull my PW BB out this weekend, and look to see if anything is wrong. And if after re-lubing and putting it back together, I'm still hearing these annoying sounds its coming out for good. The weight savings just isn't enough to offset the aggravation.

    If I wind up replacing this I'll probably get a White Industries Steel BB to go with my Eno crankset.

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    Man, this is getting emotional. I am not disrespecting Shimano BBs. I've had shimano square taper bbs on my mountain bikes for the past 18 years. They eventually get crunchy. I've had a phil on my ss road/commuter bike which has survived two Montana winters of wetness and salts so far and about 500 miles a month without a hiccup. For me it was worth it. My UN72s seemed to get the creaks sometimes and had to be pulled out and regreased. Then eventually it would start to tick...

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    I got a WI Ti BB for my ENO crankset off Ebay, I've been very pleased. The setup was a breeze and so far has been trouble free

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