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    What SS setup do you prefer?

    At the moment, I'm running a vertical drop out frame with the Soulcraft Convert. So far, I haven't had any chain dropping, but I do notice that it does loosen after awhile. Not a problem yet, but I'd hate for that chain to finally drop during a race. In addition to that, I've also tried the Blackspire stinger which also worked OK, but was a hassle to adjust.

    What do you guys think is the most reliable system out there? Running horizontal drop outs? WI Eno hub? EBB? Something else??

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    Simplest and most reliable/versatile is horizontal 'dropouts' with a derailluer hanger built in(like on the Surly's). Sliders/swingers or a pinch bolt ebb will give a good combination of reliability, versatility and convenience.

    As far as tensioners go, it's pretty hard to beat the DMR STS tensioner. Super simple, durable and fairly quiet.

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    I have a strong preference for sliders.
    It's a bit time consuming to set them up but they are reliable.

    EBB is anathema for me. Slips and creaks, creaks creaks....
    Yes, split shell might work well, but I don't like the fact I every time I tweak the EBB it changes my BB angle in relation to the seat.

    If I did a Ti with Black Sheep, I would try their HACS. Seems simple, easy and reliable. In conjunction with a removable sleeve above the seatstay bridge you could have for "free" a collapsable bike (to writ, S&S suitcase...).

    Don't blast me -- IMO...
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    I've got 2 SS bikes, one with horizontal 'dropouts' and one with a split-shell EBB. Much prefer vertical dropouts to horizontals. I'm tall enough that I don't notice the change in seat angle whenever I adjust the EBB. Mine is silent and slip-free. I'd feel different if this wasn't the case.

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    I have sliders and have had lots and lots of bikes with track drop outs. The sliders have been fantastic. They are a pain in the ass to adjust, and if you do that a lot, forget about them.

    Track (hos?) are probably my favorite all around. If you take the rear wheel off often they take a little time to dial in, but otherwise dingles, switching cogs, wheels and chainrings is a relative breeze.

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    EBB has worked great for me so far. No movement and quiet. Hoping it stays that way!

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    I don't like sliders since they tend to slip and creak. I don't like horizontal drop outs because they're annoying when you want to remove the wheel. I don't like bolt on tensioners because they're a pain when removing the wheel and look awkward. I don't like EBBs because they slip and creak. Currently my list of favorite and most reliable are:

    1. FC EBB - It uses an excellent tightening system and doesn't creak or slip. It lets me use vertical drop outs. Set and forget.
    2. White Eno Eccentric hub - It works very well and doesn't slip. My biggest issue is having to re-tension the chain whenever I remove the rear wheel.
    3. bolt on rigid tensioner (Rennen Rollenlager or DMR STS) - Looks awkward and makes removing the wheel annoying, but they work well and I can still use vertical drop outs.

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    Not totally trying to hijack the thread, but I'm getting ready to build a custom steel frame that will be SS primarily. It will POSSIBLY see some time as a 1x9 until I get a second bike built up.

    I'm torn between going with sliders, or vertical dropouts and an ISCG tab mounted Blackspire Stinger setup. I'm not sure how much adjustment the Blackspire has as far as swapping out cogs either though. I'll be swapping from 18-22T depending on locations.
    "I ride to clear my head, my head is clearer when I'm riding SS. Therefore, I choose to ride SS."~ Fullrange Drew

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    I have formed the opinion that this is the one single weakness with the entire single-speed movement - the mechanicals. Once you eliminate the dérailleur, you now have to come up with some new/different means of keeping the chain tight, and each approach has it's pros and cons.

    EBBs slip and creak, horizontal DOs need chain tugs, and are hard to use with QRs, bolt-on hubs are a PITA, chain tensioners don't always work right, etc.

    Personally, I try to stick with "standard" solutions as much as possible, that way it's easier to buy/sell stuff used. IE it's easier to buy ans sell wheels with geared freehubs rather than SS specific.

    PS - swapping 18 - 22t; you might try using a geared freehub with the gearclamp - that way you can change it in the field using an allen wrench. I haven't used them but maybe someone on here has and can comment on their effectiveness. It doesn't solve the chain tension problem but at least you don't need to carry a freewheel tool and chain whip to swap cogs.
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    I like my sliding drop out. Never moves and I am pretty rough on the bike as well. My second choice is horizontal dropouts. Never tried anything else and I don't like the look of tensioners.

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoisonDartFrog
    PS - swapping 18 - 22t; you might try using a geared freehub with the gearclamp - that way you can change it in the field using an allen wrench. I haven't used them but maybe someone on here has and can comment on their effectiveness. It doesn't solve the chain tension problem but at least you don't need to carry a freewheel tool and chain whip to swap cogs.
    Those do look like a great idea, I've been meaning to pick one up to try out. I doubt I'll be changing any cogs on the trail, but that looks like a great way to make the change in the garage a lot easier.

    PS- I'll more than likely just go with the sliders
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    Quote Originally Posted by nitrousjunky
    Those do look like a great idea, I've been meaning to pick one up to try out. I doubt I'll be changing any cogs on the trail, but that looks like a great way to make the change in the garage a lot easier.

    PS- I'll more than likely just go with the sliders
    i cant imagine they keep your cog from moving around, which wont be good for your freehub body, especially if it's aluminum.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ISuckAtRiding
    i cant imagine they keep your cog from moving around, which wont be good for your freehub body, especially if it's aluminum.
    Or worse, if they slip loose under pedalling load, allowing the cog to tweak sideways, totally destroying the freehub. But, that is only speculation. I'd really like to see a review/trial of the product.

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    Ive had track ends, sliders and recently I checked out the swinging style drops on the Salsa, I must say they seem to operate very smoothly and look nicer that slides. I've also heard good things about split shell ebb's so my choice would be either swinger style or split shell ebb.

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    my perfect SS frame would have a "split-shell" or "pinch bolt" EBB. We know pinch bolts work well for stems, handlebars, seatposts, etc so I have faith the the same should be true for pinch bolts on EBBs, especially given the nearly universal good reviews from people that have had such frames.

    my track ends are dead reliable once I set bolt them down, but dialing them in and even just getting the wheel in can be fiddly enough to be annoying

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    I have used phil wood ebb,kona sliders,vassago horizontals and paragon sliders. I have no issues with either set up, but as far as ease of set up and adjustments I always thought vassagos style was the way to go with the ebb a close second.

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    Quote Originally Posted by boomn
    my perfect SS frame would have a "split-shell" or "pinch bolt" EBB. We know pinch bolts work well for stems, handlebars, seatposts, etc so I have faith the the same should be true for pinch bolts on EBBs, especially given the nearly universal good reviews from people that have had such frames.

    my track ends are dead reliable once I set bolt them down, but dialing them in and even just getting the wheel in can be fiddly enough to be annoying
    I wonder why they are only on 2 frames? I know of Specialized and Blackbuck

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    Quote Originally Posted by PoisonDartFrog
    I wonder why they are only on 2 frames? I know of Specialized and Blackbuck
    Raleigh switched over a year or two ago too. I think it has as much or more to do with tradition than anything else.

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    The 2011 Raleigh XXIX is now using a Gates Belt Drive. Meh

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    ive mostly used vertical dropouts with an ebb but ive been enjoying the simplicity of track dropouts on my new bike.
    i havent had any issues with either.

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    Quote Originally Posted by veloreality
    ive mostly used vertical dropouts with an ebb but ive been enjoying the simplicity of track dropouts on my new bike.
    i havent had any issues with either.
    Yeahbutt... you're willing to put up with belt drive, too. Just sayin'.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus
    Yeahbutt... you're willing to put up with belt drive, too. Just sayin'.

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    haha id definatly give it a shot

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sparticus
    Yeahbutt... you're willing to put up with belt drive, too. Just sayin'.

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    you actually have the wrong Velo guy. This guy (Brian) only has chains and HBC cogs/chainrings

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    Quote Originally Posted by ISuckAtRiding
    you actually have the wrong Velo guy. This guy (Brian) only has chains and HBC cogs/chainrings
    Oops... my bad. Sorry Wrong Velo Guy.

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    Track dropouts w/ bolt on hub. Take 30 seconds to set it up right and you'll never have to fuss with it. How often do you remove the rear wheel anyway?

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    Anything other than a tensioner. They suck super ass no matter who makes them.

    Track dropouts or WI Eccentric hubs both rock.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Climber999
    If I did a Ti with Black Sheep, I would try their HACS. Seems simple, easy and reliable. In conjunction with a removable sleeve above the seatstay bridge you could have for "free" a collapsable bike (to writ, S&S suitcase...).

    Don't blast me -- IMO...
    The HACS system is one of the better ones out there, but still not without it's flaws. Grub screws might loose their effectiveness and develop notching over a period.

    I think that a magic gear would be the best option, and run multiple chains to reduce problems with stretch. If I could afford a custom frame, I'd seriously consider getting the chainstays set at the correct length for my usual gearing (33/19), and go up or down 2 teeth at a time by adding/removing a half link. That way, I could have the lightest, most reliable (hopefully) build possible and still have a std bb, vertical dropouts and fixed brake mounts.
    I see hills.

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    I have used EBB and track ends, and I will always go to the track ends from here on out. Most frames these days that use track ends set them up to be disk brake friendly. This makes setting the back wheel a snap. My Jabber takes me 2 minutes tops to adjust after removing the rear wheel. EBB require way too much maintenance IMHO....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevob
    The HACS system is one of the better ones out there, but still not without it's flaws. Grub screws might loose their effectiveness and develop notching over a period.

    I think that a magic gear would be the best option, and run multiple chains to reduce problems with stretch. If I could afford a custom frame, I'd seriously consider getting the chainstays set at the correct length for my usual gearing (33/19), and go up or down 2 teeth at a time by adding/removing a half link. That way, I could have the lightest, most reliable (hopefully) build possible and still have a std bb, vertical dropouts and fixed brake mounts.
    all of the methods to tension the chain are pretty reliable at this point, and if you want vertical drops you can use EBB or sliders, both of which have been used to effective ends by thousands....and have options as well. magic gears are exactly one step above chain tensioners in the SS world...IMO of course.

    i have used EBB, sliders, track ends...all with no issues whatsoever. i prefer sliders but that's based more on looks than anything else. my perfect custom bike would have the swinger style sliders...
    what would rainbow unicorn do?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ferday
    all of the methods to tension the chain are pretty reliable at this point, and if you want vertical drops you can use EBB or sliders, both of which have been used to effective ends by thousands....and have options as well. magic gears are exactly one step above chain tensioners in the SS world...IMO of course.

    i have used EBB, sliders, track ends...all with no issues whatsoever. i prefer sliders but that's based more on looks than anything else. my perfect custom bike would have the swinger style sliders...
    I already have sliders on my bike. They work just fine, but add a fair amount of complexity (including appearance) and weight compared to breezer dropouts. I do like some of the split shell ebbs and could live with that design.
    I see hills.

    I want to climb them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ferday
    ... my perfect custom bike would have the swinger style sliders...


    Swinger dropouts are cool. Cool looking and cool functioning. Sliders... not so cool looking.

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