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    The way of steel.

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    Plain and simple.

    500.00 for a steel frame. Who gets your $? A little more $ is always a possibility if it's really worth it. Think 600ish or so...

    Anyone?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSPIN
    Greatings and salutations.

    Plain and simple.

    500.00 for a steel frame. Who gets your $? A little more $ is always a possibility if it's really worth it. Think 600ish or so...

    Anyone?
    For a little bit more I'd go with Walt from the 29er board. I think his frames are in the 6 range...or maybe Tom Teesdale.

    Those are the only two I can think of in that price range. Ionic has been intentionally left out:-)

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    How about a Cove Handjob or Zion 853? They retail for 400ish but I haven't seen a lot of you guys speaking about those.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSPIN
    How about a Cove Handjob or Zion 853? They retail for 400ish but I haven't seen a lot of you guys speaking about those.
    You have to pay a few more $$$ to lighten the load. Disc or v-brakes? I love my Gunnar, but they don't have an EBB model. I also have a Jamis Dragon that would make a sweet SS with a White ENO disc hub. I got the Gunnar for $750 complete used, and the Dragon for about $400 for the frame.

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    How about $510 for a complete bike?

    Got thie sweet Gunnar for $510 on Ebay. LOVE it. Unfortunately, nothing's stock on it from when I bought it except the rear wheel. But after selling the old parts and such, I still got a SWEET deal, and the frame was maybe a couple hundred bucks, tops. I didn't like the color, but that's the price I paid to save some dollahz that paid for the xtr cranks and ti chainring!

    Consider used. I'd HIGHLY recommend the Gunnar. My switchblade has been ridden three times max in the six months since I decided to "try" singlespeeding and picked up the Gunnar.

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    Everything you see here will go on the new frame.




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    What about a Surly? Either a 1x1 or a KM, been very impressed by mine, easily comparable to the other steel bikes i've owned, including a Fat Chance Wicked Light, a Bontrager Race, Brew 180 proof, Slingshot, etc. My KM is such a wonderful and comfortable bike, I would glady pay more (not that I'd want to).

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSPIN
    Everything you see here will go on the new frame.
    What happened to the ti frame???

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    Quote Originally Posted by indigosky
    What happened to the ti frame???

    I have three steel bikes that I love. There's not a single thing about it I'll change or upgrade. The way they ride and feel is exactly what I want and like.

    The Ti frame doesn't quite give me that ride feel is all. A great bike for someone else, though. It's just not my cup of tea.

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    Yeah, *, what happened to the Ti?

    For steel. Look at Teesdale. He used to make all the high end Kona's and Fishers. Know's what he's doing for sure. Or you can scour ebay for something sweet.
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    Teesdale

    Make sure you get a completion date from Tom and add two months. I own a V brake one and earlier this year, I had Tom build me a disc brake, ebb one. I attempted to contact him several times via phone and email with no response once the delivery date passed (starting 30 days after the stated delivery date). He is very good at talking to you before the sale and not so good after you pay your deposit. I was worried that he actually went out of business or something bad happened to him. Turns out he is spending a lot of time building 3 wheeled trikes.

    The bikes do ride very nice. I had him build me a fork for the V brake one and I like it better than the Vicious fork on the disc one (BTW, the V brake one is pretty obsolete these days).

    I am hesistant to recommend him based on the extemely long wait period, but shorter than a Dean/Ionic. I am also hesistant to recommend him based on his not getting back to me in a timely manner. Same story with some other builders though . . . .

    IMPORTANT NOTE ABOUT TOM'S PAINT: Just say no! His paint started chipping big-time on the first one right away. I have seen an example of the powder coating he has done for him and it is very lumpy. The disc brake one was delivered raw and finished for my by the Color Factory in New Jersey. I recommend you ask for a paint credit ($75 for a frame I think) and spend that money elsewhere for finishing.

    I will try and post some pics if you are interested in seeing his work.
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    teesdale issues

    Just wanted to add my 2 cents on Tom Teesdale. The above issue is true, but let me explain. Tom is VERRY hard to track down over the phone and never return calls - EVER. But.....He returns emails with drawings, diagrams, and scientific rationale faster than you'd believe. This made me go with him. He delivered an excellent product. I was warned about his paint as well and I got him to powdercoat my frame for an extra fee (don't remember what, but it wasn't over 70 bucks). The powdercoat was perfect - no blemishes. The bike rode amazing - it was a cross bike & it felt like it had travel - I couldn't believe how smooth it rode. Highly recommend Tom. Excellent product, amazing price for product, and excellent email communication (just not over the phone lines....)

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    Quote Originally Posted by Plum
    What about a Surly? Either a 1x1 or a KM, been very impressed by mine, easily comparable to the other steel bikes i've owned, including a Fat Chance Wicked Light, a Bontrager Race, Brew 180 proof, Slingshot, etc. My KM is such a wonderful and comfortable bike, I would glady pay more (not that I'd want to).

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    I second that comment. Surly ROCKS!

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    Quote Originally Posted by ernesto_from_Wisconsin
    I second that comment. Surly ROCKS!
    i vote surly, too. i miss my surly and wish I hadn't gotten the upgrade itch...had it worked easier with discs i'd probably still be riding it.

    that said, it rode just as swell as my 800 dollar more expensive Vicious.

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    Let's not forget Vulture!
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    Quote Originally Posted by Padre
    Let's not forget Vulture!
    Isn't vulture something like 600 dollars more than he wants to spend?

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    Second the teesdale

    I had tom build me a fork - he replied to emails promptly with drawings and techno babble - usually within the same day. He delivered the fork within one week of his quoted time which can be considered early compared to other custom builders.
    Bottom line is that I am very pleased with his product and price.

    Paul at Peyto was good too but his Foco frames are going for 900 cnd (750ish)

    If you decide to go prebuilt I'd say get an on-one inbred - I think they go for around 400 bucks? Brant?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSPIN
    Greatings and salutations.

    Plain and simple.

    500.00 for a steel frame. Who gets your $? A little more $ is always a possibility if it's really worth it. Think 600ish or so...

    Anyone?
    how about a med surly 1x1 excelent condition at half what you want to spend!
    add #81880

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    I would look...

    for a used Spot myself. Love my Spot, ride quality is incredible and the handling nice and quick.



    Quote Originally Posted by SSPIN
    Greatings and salutations.

    Plain and simple.

    500.00 for a steel frame. Who gets your $? A little more $ is always a possibility if it's really worth it. Think 600ish or so...

    Anyone?

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    Ionic

    Hey, I got my IONIC Johnny Rotten the other day UPS only 2 weeks late ( I was counting on a few months..) John & the Aussy guy were very nice & I gotta say up-front about whole deal..Will post pics soon..should be built up by the spring (Im POOR) 580 with Disc & EBB & shipping..nice frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by fixgeardan
    how about a med surly 1x1 excelent condition at half what you want to spend!
    add #81880

    Thanks, man, but I'm 6' 2" so I need a large. I appreciate the offer, though.

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    How about a used On One...are those any good?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Fast Eddy
    You have to pay a few more $$$ to lighten the load. Disc or v-brakes? I love my Gunnar, but they don't have an EBB model. I also have a Jamis Dragon that would make a sweet SS with a White ENO disc hub. I got the Gunnar for $750 complete used, and the Dragon for about $400 for the frame.
    gunnar is doing EBB now. there is one on the speedgoat website. the wait time is not bad at all, from what I hear. $900 retail... check a local dealer and maybe you can work something out.
    check out gunnarbikes.com and go down to color of the month. if you like any of those colors, it's no upcharge. some are sweet. my buddy got one in the metallic chameleon (geared road bike).
    If you like purple, they have a nice metallic purple. the charcoal silver looks nice, but hard to see in the pic.
    If gunnar ever offers a three color red-gold-green fade as color of the month, I am getting one (fixie), dont care what I have to sell.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spookykinkajou
    Isn't vulture something like 600 dollars more than he wants to spend?
    I don't know, but in my case, it's worth it.
    For $500 though, you aren't getting "custom" you're getting not manufactured by a big company, it seems.

    You get what you pay for!

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSPIN
    Greatings and salutations.

    Plain and simple.

    500.00 for a steel frame. Who gets your $? A little more $ is always a possibility if it's really worth it. Think 600ish or so...

    Anyone?
    Based on your other three bikes (Sara, KHS, roadie) whos rides you really enjoy, going used is going to be your best bet. Typically what you will get new for $500 is steel with thicker walled tubes (maybe even some non-butted tubes), just because the builder can't afford higher end tubing. These frames will ride nothing like any of your other three bikes, all of which have smallish diameter thin walled, heavily butted tubes.

    Used for sure...

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    I highly recommend On-One

    Quote Originally Posted by SSPIN
    How about a used On One...are those any good?
    I had an early On-One Inbred and absolutely loved it. Handling was fantastic, ride was nice and stiff, in a good way and had plenty of top tube clearance. The early fork was a bit harsh, I weigh 175, but the newer forks may ride better. Brant is also very accessible.
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    I think you are nuts to swap that gorgeous ti bike for steel but hey thats just my opinion.
    Are you interested in selling the ti frame? What size is it?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Halloween
    Based on your other three bikes (Sara, KHS, roadie) whos rides you really enjoy, going used is going to be your best bet. Typically what you will get new for $500 is steel with thicker walled tubes (maybe even some non-butted tubes), just because the builder can't afford higher end tubing. These frames will ride nothing like any of your other three bikes, all of which have smallish diameter thin walled, heavily butted tubes.

    Used for sure...

    Hmmm. I do not follow you, Brotherman. 'These frames will ride noth....'. You mean better or not as good?

    The KHS is a great ride and the Paramount is even better. If I can get a frame that will ride better than the Paramount...Jee...where do I sign?

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    Quote Originally Posted by lucifer
    I think you are nuts to swap that gorgeous ti bike for steel but hey thats just my opinion.
    Are you interested in selling the ti frame? What size is it?
    Yeah...most ppl think I'm crazy. Problem is I was born covered in KY and you know how slippery that thing can be. Doc was not careful enough and dropped me on my head.

    The Ti frame is for a friend of mine.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSPIN
    Hmmm. I do not follow you, Brotherman. 'These frames will ride noth....'. You mean better or not as good?

    The KHS is a great ride and the Paramount is even better. If I can get a frame that will ride better than the Paramount...Jee...where do I sign?
    Cheap frames will not ride nearly as lively as the bikes you already own. The thick walled frames will be heavier and have more of 'dead' feal, rather than what you're after...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Halloween
    Cheap frames will not ride nearly as lively as the bikes you already own. the thick walled frames will be haevier and have more of 'dead' feal, rather than what you're after...

    Hmmm...gotcha. Damn! But the KHS frame is not a high zoot frame... I mean, is not really cheap either but it's not up to the standars of Steelman, Sycip, Vulture etc.

    It's got a nice ride feel if you ask me...

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    If I were you I'd look for a used fat or indy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SSPIN
    Hmmm...gotcha. Damn! But the KHS frame is not a high zoot frame... I mean, is not really cheap either but it's not up to the standars of Steelman, Sycip, Vulture etc.

    It's got a nice ride feel if you ask me...
    It's still made from a nice tubeset though. It was relatively inexpensive because it's made in huge stock batches and it was welded up in Taiwan.

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    Derby rated . . .

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    Quote Originally Posted by lucifer
    If I were you I'd look for a used fat or indy.

    hell yeah! There's a NOS fat on ebay right now for a buy it now of about 650 or so. In your size even I think. I've seen several Fat's on the bay go for resaonable prices.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SSPIN
    Greatings and salutations.

    Plain and simple.

    500.00 for a steel frame. Who gets your $? A little more $ is always a possibility if it's really worth it. Think 600ish or so...

    Anyone?
    You can't beat the price. It even has a $50.00 fork option.
    http://www.fortframes.com/html/cconix.htm

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    I missed out on a couple indyfabs on ebay that went in the 450-500$ range. after a log wait won an auction for a SyCip unleaded for $156 (frame only)
    It's got far better ride than any hardtail I've ever ridden. I don't have much money and I sure couldn't afford one new. If I had to replace it today, I'd buy an XL Surly 1X1 solely because I know so many happy surly riders.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SSPIN
    Hmmm...gotcha. Damn! But the KHS frame is not a high zoot frame... I mean, is not really cheap either but it's not up to the standars of Steelman, Sycip, Vulture etc.

    It's got a nice ride feel if you ask me...
    How much do you weigh, SSPIN? A heavier rider can ride a frame with thicker wall tubing and still have a good ride feel. Some of the high-zoot, thin wall tubing frames can be whippy under a big guy.
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    Quote Originally Posted by shiggy
    How much do you weigh, SSPIN? A heavier rider can ride a frame with thicker wall tubing and still have a good ride feel. Some of the high-zoot, thin wall tubing frames can be whippy under a big guy.

    About 175 pounds.

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    How 'bout a Haro?

    I don't see very many of these out there.

    Steel, EBB, Disc only. It's a great bike, I love the heck out of mine.
    MSRP is $500, I got mine for much less.
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    Surly

    I'll throw in another vote for Surly. I love my 1x1. Best riding steel frame I've ever had. Best part? It's less than your price point.

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    Fairly new to ssing myself...

    ...but I'm pretty happy with my Inbred.Frame retails for $350.Not a featherweight by any means but still a pretty nimble ride.I've never owned anything but steel myself so I know where you're coming from.

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    More on Teesdale

    I have a Teesdale frame. I would highly recommend Tom. He is super technical and fast. He an especially good choice if you know exactly what you want. He was not very good at brainstorming the different possibilities. For example, he threw in a steel stem to match and I forgot to mention that I was going to run riser bars. The stem wouldn't work with the bars, since it is a clamp stem and couldn't handle the bend in the bars. Neither one of us thought this would be a problem until too late. Otherwise, once I had all the specs in place he built up my frame in no time flat.

    Lead time was very fast. Price was under $500. The fork is a thing of beauty. I had him build an EBB frame; the first one he made. I got Colombus Zona tubing and love it. It's not the lightest bike in the world but a much better ride than the On-Ones and Surly's that I have tried. Of course that is just a matter of opinion.

    The only downside was the paint. I had the auto paint stripped off and had it powder coated. Much better. Oh, also, the welds are not the prettiest, but I'm not a weld snob. As long as the bike rides well and stays in one piece. And it does.

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    vote Surly

    I can afford to pay fancy prices for a frame.

    I ride a Surly 1x1. It's got great feel, doesn't weigh a ton (isn't a feather either!), and handles better than anything I have ridden. It now looks old, chipped & faded paint, and I still can't bear to strip it for a repaint because then I won't be riding it (and I have other bikes).

    Go Surly, and if you don't like it, you can easily sell the frame.

    The money you save on the frame can be spent on better wheels for an even better handling bike.

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    Hey , SSPIN....have you considered a Bianchi? For 2005 Bianchi is offering an all pink SS, the P.U.S.S. You'd have to be pretty tough to ride it though..... BTW, I ride a S.A.S.S. and have nothing for love for that rig. I did get a chance to ride a ti SS almost identical to the one in your pic except for the constant creakin' and squeeling noises emitted from the seatpost/bb areas. Plus it had a dead whore feel to it. Quite unresponsive.

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    X post from vintage...

    I altered the deal a little before paying.
    So now I am getting the
    buck shaver frame
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    and a new pair of nike mtn bike shoes all for $620 shipped.
    I am pretty happy with that. I let him keep his rock shox jett xcs and the stem...

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    So if you break out the spare parts and the shoes I paid about $395 for a brand new fat chance....

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    How about a Cove Handjob or Zion 853? They retail for 400ish but I haven't seen a lot of you guys speaking about those.

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    Teesdale

    I have two teesdales.

    If you order a bike from Tom now during the "off Season" you will not have any of the comunication and wait time issues. My geared frame took exactly one month from order to my door. Oh yea I had Sycip paint it. Dont get the wet paint.

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    Spot on eBay...

    Couple of Spots currently listed on eBay. Not sure what size you're looking for. One is a black 19-inch with a buy it now of $350.

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