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    Surly 1X 1 or On-One Inbred

    First singlespeed frame? Which one is better, the on-one has some funky sizing which worries me. I usually ride a medium/ 18 " frame with a 23 inch top tube. I think I would ride a 16" On one? Has anyone ridden both? Any reviews on the inbred?

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    Funky sizing? huh? :-)

    Where's your 18in frame measured to? Ours is from the centre of the BB to the top of the seat tube, and generally fits people from about five-ten to six foot.

    How tall are you?

    And yes - whilst our top tubes are long, I like to spec a short stem - 80mm long, 100mm longest on the 20in frames - so if you're more typically running a 135mm stem (say), our stem recommendation is over 2in shorter!

    Our tubeset is a little lighter than Surly's, with a skinnier top tube that gives a cushier ride. We've had no problems with frame failure on the latest model in the last 2 years either. It'll ride fine with anything up to 105mm forks.

    No disc mounts though, as our frame has horizontal track ends and I don't like the way that disc brakes work on those unless you haul down on the axle fixings (and you've still got to remove bolts and stuff to get the wheel out when you flat).

    Anyhow. Need any help - just mail me and i'll try and sort you out.
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    Good job! I'd have to go with the on*one

    as well. I'm loving mine, and Brant was super cool to deal with.

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    Don't sweat the long top tube. My last frame was short top tube, long stem, and to be honest, my current set up makes the front end feel lighter and easier to lift the front wheel without any of the sketchiness my previous ride had. Just give Brant your inseam and height and he'll hold your hand the rest of the way.

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    I own both and ...

    I got one of each (ain't I lucky) &, if I could keep only one, it'd be the Inbred - sure-footed & comfortable.
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    I recommend the inbred




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    Had both, sold both...

    ...if running discs the On-One is superior in all respects (I had the disc-only EBB version). The 1x1 is heavier and not as smooth as the Inbred but also about half the price depending on where exchange rates are. Note, I'm a big guy (22" 1x1, 20" Inbred) and go about 240 and both held up just fine.

    Currently riding a SS'd Karate Monkey but woulda bought a 29er Inbred if they'd been available.

    You can't go wrong with either but the Surly will make your $ go a bit further. I prefer the On-One's longer TT and better SO clearance...why wouldn't you want more if it was available?

    The problem with the 22" Surly is that it got me the reach I wanted but my nuts were on the TT when standing...not the best place with things go south. Surly lengthened things out with the KM so my Large (20") KM has a nicely sloping TT and better SO clearance with a slightly longer eff TT length (24.3" vs. 24.2")

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    Hey Brant,

    Some time ago there was discussion on the 29" board of a 29" Inbred in the pipeline with sliding drops and removeable bosses. Just wondering how things might be coming along with that? I think if that's really happening it could go to the top of the pile for my anticipated new 29"er SS.

    Oh yeah - fitted out with a Mungo pro bar as well :-)

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    Yes - we're still working on a 29er. I've been spending the last few months messing about with sliding dropout designs after sitting back and watching the market a little. I've got a design that I'm happy with, but then I came up with another one that I like more, but isn't as lightweight. But I like it :-)

    We're finalising those, and once they're ready, then I can put them in place on the 29er frame, sample it, and get rolling. Realistically then I think we're at least 4 months away from production still.
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    Bit late on this but never mind...

    Quote Originally Posted by Burger
    First singlespeed frame? Which one is better, the on-one has some funky sizing which worries me. I usually ride a medium/ 18 " frame with a 23 inch top tube. I think I would ride a 16" On one? Has anyone ridden both? Any reviews on the inbred?

    burger
    I rode an Inbred for 2 years and am now riding a 1x1 - so hopefully can give you somehting useful...

    I wouldn't say either is better than the other, but they are noticeably different. First off the Inbred is corrected for 100mm forks and the 1x1 for 80mm - so the Inbred has (in effect) slightly steeper angles for any given fork length. The 1x1 is a bit shorter and a touch heavier. I ran 420mm rigids on both and each had nice things and less nice things going on. The Inbred has a nice quick turn in, climbs wonderfully and the low SO makes it feel very agile. The 1x1 is more stable and has a reassuringly solid feel - I noticed the higher SO moving from the Inbred to the 1x1 but I'd forgotten about it in a week or two. The 1x1 is a more stable descending rough stuff (not so surprising with the slightly slacker head angle), but gives a slightly harsher ride compared to the relatively springy Inbred. The 1x1 is a bit more reassuring to thump off small drops etc (more solid feel and slacker angles).

    Random detail - generally the finishing is a tad cleaner on the 1x1 than the Inbred.. but cable routing is nice on the Inbred (full length outers), tyre clearance seems better on the 1x1 (probably helped by the wider BB shell). Dropouts definitely neater on the Surly (compared to the standard horizontal drop Inbred).

    Sizing - I'm 5' 11" and the 18" Inbred was spot on (16 inchers are too small) and the 18" Surly is spot on - but they feel quite different sizes due to the SO height - the Inbred is 18" bb to collar compared to about 19.5" for the same measurement on the Surly. The TT length difference isn't very noticeable - I've used the same 80mm stem on both and it feels fine.

    Over here (UK) the Surly is priced a bit higher than the Inbred, but I'd say they're both value for money either way around.

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