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    SS El Mariachi rigid vs.Karate Monkey

    Advantages /disadvantages of both.Will be used for endurance racing/mountainous terrain.

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    Sorta feel like this is butthole opinion time.

    Both are really good bikes. I'd pick the El Mar cause I wouldn't have the canti studs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by umarth View Post
    Sorta feel like this is butthole opinion time.

    Both are really good bikes. I'd pick the El Mar cause I wouldn't have the canti studs.
    Dosen't the new KM frame not have canti studs anymore? Or was it just the V-brake bosses?

    I'll vote for the monkey, just because I personally like how versatile it is. You can literally do anything with it. It has nice short chain stays too, so it's nimble in the tricky stuff. It rides like a bike, just like Surly says. It may not blow you away in one area or another, but it sure does a lot of things well, and is a fun easy going and forgiving bike to ride, not to mention it can take a beating.
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    No more canti studs starting this year.Thanks for the input so far.

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    I made a similar thread a while back: Salsa El Mar/ Surly KM

    I was considering a El Mariachi or a KM and I ended up with the KM. I work at a bike shop and I can get either of those bikes from QBP, but there was some red tape around ordering a Salsa product that did not exist with Surly products, so I went Surly. I love this bike so far, put on 100 miles over the past month with it on all the gnarliest trails I can find in north Georgia. I just bought the frameset and put parts from another bike on it. i don't know if it will make a better dedicated racer than the Salsa bike, but it's very versatile. this is actually my ONLY bike at present. I can put 700x38 hybrid tires and a RD and cassette on it and it makes a great commuter too after less than 30 minutes of conversion.

    my KM- The "New" Post Your Singlespeed!

    does your budget have any weight on this decision? were you planning to buy a complete El Mariachi or just build up a frame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by esundell90 View Post
    Dosen't the new KM frame not have canti studs anymore? Or was it just the V-brake bosses?

    I'll vote for the monkey, just because I personally like how versatile it is. You can literally do anything with it. It has nice short chain stays too, so it's nimble in the tricky stuff. It rides like a bike, just like Surly says. It may not blow you away in one area or another, but it sure does a lot of things well, and is a fun easy going and forgiving bike to ride, not to mention it can take a beating.
    That is good news. Now I want one again.

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    Just converting mine to SS and back to rigid. It's gonna be a good time this spring!!
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    I did forget that the KM has a merciless fork. Worst of the steel forks I've ridden....

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    Advantage El Mar. duh.

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    endurance racing = El Mariachi for sure
    I see hills.

    I want to climb them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by umarth View Post
    I did forget that the KM has a merciless fork. Worst of the steel forks I've ridden....
    Your such a delicate little flower.
    I thought the KM fork was just a little too flexy. Rode pretty nice, but a tinch too much brake chatter for me.

    BUT the KM COMES with a fork. El Mariachi, no señor.

    The El Mariachi is kinda pretty; it goes with your eyes.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Stevob View Post
    endurance racing = El Mariachi for sure
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    I endurance race on my el mar. It is amazing....more than I thought it would be, more comfortable than my last years fs rig was. No joke.
    I make maps and ride a SS El Mariachi with a rigid Fargo fork:
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    Quote Originally Posted by CB2 View Post
    Your such a delicate little flower.
    That is what my girlfriend tells me when I cry.

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    Quote Originally Posted by umarth View Post
    I did forget that the KM has a merciless fork. Worst of the steel forks I've ridden....
    New KM gets a fork makeover as well. From the Blog:

    "Since we've got the do-everything Ogre to haul the load and help you explode, we thought we'd tinker a bit with the classic Karate Monkey. New for 2012, the venerable bench-mark of the 29" world will lose its cantilever brake studs and get a fork tune-up to the tune of thinner guage tubing. The geometry does not change. It just gets a bit more single(track) minded."

    Rumor has it that the new fork is a Salsa CroMoto Grande. But that's just a rumor.

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    I didn't think the KM's rigid fork was so bad. It tracks well and dosen't flex. Sure it's harsh, but it is a rigid fork afterall.
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    Depends on what you want. I wanted a good steal mountain bike that I could take bikepacking or on the single track. I picked the El Mariachi because I have a versatile commuter bike already in my bianchi san jose. If you want a do everthying bike the KM is the way to go, however I would argue that the new Ogre would fit that bill even better. Good luck with your purchase. Im sure you wont be upset either way.

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    it ain't rigid but.....

    sure like the ride.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tone No Balone View Post
    it ain't rigid but.....
    Mine is.

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    I never really got along with the stock 100mm Reba. The geo just didn't feel right to me & I've been on the Grande ever since. I will admit to more pedals strikes than I'd like. As soon as I can locate a spacer I intend to put my F29 at 80mm for next season. It should be money.

    I bought some fancy new tele's this year which means 1. no snow, and b) no second sled build. The El Mar works nicely in all formats whether geared, ss, rigid, or otherwise.

    Monkey's are probably ok, too.

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    I ride my full ridged 2011 El SS for 12 and 24 hour races and LOVE it, Air nine Carbon SS for 100 milers and what not.

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    whats the rear tire clearance like on the current El Mariachi?

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    2.35 nobby nic fits, but I wouldn't go bigger. 2.4 is what salsa says fits I believe.
    I make maps and ride a SS El Mariachi with a rigid Fargo fork:
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    My 2011 El Mar tire clearance is great on the seat stay and especially on the chain stays. I
    have a 2.1 Python on the rear and there is tons of clearance. I don't know what the largest tire will fit but I would bet a 2.35/ 2.4 would make it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by rob1035 View Post
    whats the rear tire clearance like on the current El Mariachi?
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    Quote Originally Posted by TroutBum View Post
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    The spot where my frame's clearance is most limited is the non drive side seat stay. Is that common for the rest of you mariachi owners?
    I make maps and ride a SS El Mariachi with a rigid Fargo fork:
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    Quote Originally Posted by forgiven_nick View Post
    The spot where my frame's clearance is most limited is the non drive side seat stay. Is that common for the rest of you mariachi owners?
    I've been drinking a fair bit, but... do you not center your wheel?

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