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    Spot Brand Cream

    yesterday i was fortunate to be able to spend some time with Adam from Spot to not only visit and ride the park, but also to actually hold and handle a Cream frame. this is Spot's newest offering which will be released in a couple of weeks.

    wow.... this frame is incredible!

    Spot is an example of a company who listens to the feedback of their customers and actually rides their own products to enjoy/critique/refine them. to this end the Cream takes all of the good attributes of the Honey Badger, which are many, and combines them with updates they've implemented by learning FROM the Honey Badger - then beautifully combines them in titanium to arrive at the Cream.

    having a Honey Badger that i absolutely LOVE i was very excited when Adam reached in his Sprinter and with a knowing look of "check THIS out" handed me a Cream frame. oh, did i drool!

    the workmanship is remarkable, and imho it is a work of art. it will be offered unfinished as well as in a coated finish for the cretins who lack the refinement to appreciate the beauty of raw ti.

    yes, it is a bit spendy but well worth it. some of the features of this frame are the "animal leg" seatstays and track frame cutout on the seatstay. aside from the obvious unique bend of the animal leg stays the tubes themselves are uniquely shaped to further tune and refine the ride. these combine to not only enhance the already phenomenal ride of the Badger, but Spot has added a gusset behind the BB shell to increase lateral stiffness without compromising the incredible vertical compliance the stays and cutout seattube offer. it's a ride that, if you haven't ridden a Honey Badger, you cannot even begin to imagine or appreciate.

    other features are a beautifully machined headtube, belt drive option, and the ability to run SS, geared, or IGH in either 142 or 135. it also utilizes Spot's proprietary and patented Kobe dropouts as well as their proprietary cable saddles which allow anchoring for all housing needed to run geared (and even a dropper post) yet retaining a clean look when running SS.

    let me paraphrase in two words: GET ONE!

    now for the bike porn...

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    looks nice man
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    UPDATE: the cream will be officially released sometime next week.
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    UPDATE: the Cream is now officially available.

    i just got off the phone with adam and ordered the very first one!

    they aren't even up on their website yet, but i'll have tons of pics of the retail frame up next week as soon as it arrives. stay tuned for the build and ride report...
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    Spot Brand Cream

    Sweet! Love the raw look.

    What is the retail? Looks awesome!


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    $3499.

    and worth every penny.
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    Quote Originally Posted by monogod View Post
    $3499.

    and worth every penny.
    $3,499 for the frame?
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    What's the weld in the seatube right below the seatstays all about?

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    Is it made in Taiwan?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mcoplea View Post
    $3,499 for the frame?
    God I hope so. Love my HB frame and this one looks awesome but no way on earth would I pay $3499 for it.
    Just stick it in granny and start grinding.

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    Looks like it first introduced back at Interbike in 2012 - Interbike 2012: Spot Brand Whips Titanium to a Cream w/ New Belt Drive 29er


    "$3,400 retail for the frame, as shown it’d be a little over $7,000. Claimed weight is about 20lbs with some pretty fat 2.35 tires."
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    Quote Originally Posted by dolface View Post
    What's the weld in the seatube right below the seatstays all about?
    If it's constructed like the Lynskey frames, there is a 100mm long machined tube inserted into the top of the seat tube and welded into place. The thinner seat tube alone is not strong enough for the forces exerted by the seat post.
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    Thanks for the explanation, looks like that was a mod they added after the 2012 Interbike version then: http://brimages.bikeboardmedia.netdn...ive-29er01.jpg

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    Nice looking frame, but $3500 puts it in custom build territory so I would get a frame built specifically for me and my needs instead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by wyatt79m View Post
    Is it made in Taiwan?
    yes
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    Quote Originally Posted by dolface View Post
    Thanks for the explanation, looks like that was a mod they added after the 2012 Interbike version then: http://brimages.bikeboardmedia.netdn...ive-29er01.jpg
    they didn't add it later, it's been there all along - but you can only see it on the raw finish.
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    Quote Originally Posted by mcoplea View Post
    Claimed weight is about 20lbs with some pretty fat 2.35 tires."
    frame is pretty light. it just arrived today, i'll be posting pics and weight tomorrow.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sandrenseren View Post
    Nice looking frame, but $3500 puts it in custom build territory so I would get a frame built specifically for me and my needs instead.
    highly doubtful (read: virtually impossible) that you could get this frame built by a custom builder for $3500.

    for one thing it has spot's proprietary kobe split dropouts, which are precision machined from titanium to very, very tight tolerances. tighter than either the rocker or honey badger. and they are stiffer and imo better than paragon split sliders.

    for another, the headtube is also machined out of a single piece of titanium.

    the "track bike" cutout on the seat tube would also be very expensive for a custom builder to reproduce.

    not to mention the "animal leg" seatstays which are not only curved but are also oval and vary in size throughout the stay to further tune the ride.

    it is truly a piece of art and more than worth the entry fee.

    as mentioned previously it just arrived today, so i'll be posting pictures of it tomorrow.
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    Nice frame. But $3500 is a joke for a overseas Ti frame.

    Pass.

    You know this reminds me of a saying.... About a fool and his money...
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    I am sure it is a very nice frame and the quality is top notch as it is with my Honey Badger but I have to agree that $3500 for a made in Taiwan frame no matter what is a way too much. You can buy a good quality American made Titanium frame for $3k.

    I have a feeling that when the dust settles on the newness you will be able to buy these frames for $2k to $2.5k
    Just stick it in granny and start grinding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Click Click Boom View Post
    Nice frame. But $3500 is a joke for a overseas Ti frame.

    Pass.

    You know this reminds me of a saying.... About a fool and his money...
    you know this reminds me of a saying... about things similar to opinions, and why...
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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    I am sure it is a very nice frame and the quality is top notch as it is with my Honey Badger but I have to agree that $3500 for a made in Taiwan frame no matter what is a way too much. You can buy a good quality American made Titanium frame for $3k.

    I have a feeling that when the dust settles on the newness you will be able to buy these frames for $2k to $2.5k
    it's top notch indeed. can't wait to get it put together on friday and take it for a spin.

    i think it would be interesting to take this frame to an indy builder and ask the cost of duplication. you can bet it WON'T be under or near $3500 for the reasons listed in post #18.

    people don't have issues plunking down large sums for foreign made electronics and don't see them as inferior products, nor does their country of origin dictate their value. just the opposite in most cases. why?

    fun fact: had i said they were made in durango, colorado, tai-haters likely would've been pontificating about what a bargain it was. but mention "taiwan" and all the sudden it's a pariah?

    the bottom line is that this frame has some cutting edge features that would be far more expensive if produced stateside. there are a lot of proprietary features in this frame and a great deal of precision machining. that stuff costs.

    one can knock taiwan made stuff all they want but that's where most bikes are made and is home to the world's largest bike manufacturer. they didn't get to be the world's leading manufacturer of bikes without learning a few things along the way - so in this case the country of origin doesn't detract from the value of this frame in any way, shape, or form.

    to those decrying outsourcing who want more made in america stuff it's real simple: start voting out the clowns that are taxing industry to death and forcing business to outsource across the pond.

    honestly, the truth is that those who have a hand in re-electing most anyone are part of the problem and thus pretty much forfeit their right to whine about the solution.
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    pics of the retail frame:

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    Quote Originally Posted by monogod View Post
    fun fact: had i said they were made in durango, colorado, tai-haters likely would've been pontificating about what a bargain it was. but mention "taiwan" and all the sudden it's a pariah?
    I am not a Tai hater. In fact, I think every one of my bikes (with the exception of the vintage ones) is made in Taiwan. They make great frames and have the ability to crank out large numbers of high quality frames for cheap.

    That being said I personally wouldn't spend that much money on frame no matter where it was made but if I were going to pay top dollar for a frame, I would want it made in the USA. Not because I have some false notion that they are better but because I would want to say I put an American work to work.

    Now on to the production frame vs the prototype.
    No offense but the production model looks like sh!te compared to the prototype.
    The welds are nowhere near as clean and that extra piece triangulating the top tube and the seat tube doesn't look good.
    Just stick it in granny and start grinding.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kjlued View Post
    I am not a Tai hater. In fact, I think every one of my bikes (with the exception of the vintage ones) is made in Taiwan. They make great frames and have the ability to crank out large numbers of high quality frames for cheap.

    That being said I personally wouldn't spend that much money on frame no matter where it was made but if I were going to pay top dollar for a frame, I would want it made in the USA. Not because I have some false notion that they are better but because I would want to say I put an American work to work.

    Now on to the production frame vs the prototype.
    No offense but the production model looks like sh!te compared to the prototype.
    The welds are nowhere near as clean and that extra piece triangulating the top tube and the seat tube doesn't look good.
    wasn't trying to ruffle your feathers. was more of a general statement than directed at you and you alone.

    but since you mentioned it, i hope you'll be kind enough to clarify something that doesn't seem to quite add up to me.

    how deep does your "put an American to work" mantra run? electronics? cell phone? car? motorcycle? shoes? clothes? or just top end bike frames?

    and if you want to put Americans to work then why are all your bikes of taiwanese origin? how about bike components? do you use only sram and hope they came from the american factory instead of one in taiwan or germany? i think you'd agree these are reasonable queries.

    the "extra piece" is on xl frames only. it's done to retain a lower standover on larger frames without sacrificing seat tube strength. the km, krampus, honey badger, and many other frames incorporate this as well.

    here are larger pics of both. clearly no degradation in welds from proto to retail.

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