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    Singleator thoughts

    Am I correct in assuming that the spring loaded feature of a Singleator is for ease of wheel removal? When pedaling on rough ground, the unit is not really effective unless the spring is given full ratchet tension, which no longer allows easy wheel removal. Note, this is with a King cog, new PC58 chain, and a perfect chain line. It just seems like it would perform better if it were one piece and you used a wrench to loosen the pivot bolt each time on wheel removal. I have considered machining an inner sleeve that would eliminate the spring and lock the two halves together. Any thoughts?

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    Quote Originally Posted by kustomz
    ....Any thoughts?
    ditch the tensioner, get ENO.

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    Noticed the same thing

    Quote Originally Posted by kustomz
    Am I correct in assuming that the spring loaded feature of a Singleator is for ease of wheel removal? When pedaling on rough ground, the unit is not really effective unless the spring is given full ratchet tension, which no longer allows easy wheel removal. Note, this is with a King cog, new PC58 chain, and a perfect chain line. It just seems like it would perform better if it were one piece and you used a wrench to loosen the pivot bolt each time on wheel removal. I have considered machining an inner sleeve that would eliminate the spring and lock the two halves together. Any thoughts?
    Since the Singlerator was installed removing tires is a hassle. I have to remove the tension from the tensioner in order to remove the wheel and I just had it with it. I recently ordered a Half-Link from Spicer Cycles, this hopefully will solve the chain tension problem and I'll be able to get rid of the Singlerator.

    If you still want to use a tensioner the Soulcraft is the best bet, it doesn't rely on springs but on tension. This way if you get a flat all you need to do is release the tension by unscrewing the bolt and that's it, no cone wrenches or special tools needed.

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    Ernesto, please explain how ENO works

    Quote Originally Posted by ernesto_from_Wisconsin
    ditch the tensioner, get ENO.
    I've seen so many posts recomending the ENO hub that made me curios.

    Please explain to us what it does and needs to be done to install it.

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    Soulcraft Convert Works great as long as you rough up the derailleur hanger so the convert can get a good bite when tightened down

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    Quote Originally Posted by DiRt DeViL
    ...Please explain to us what it does and needs to be done to install it.
    What it does: it turns any frame with vertical dropouts into a true single speed. Why? because the eccentric hub makes the tension. It's like having an EBB, but from the other side of the frame. You can use any frame practically and make it SS: http://www.whiteind.com/eno.htm

    EBB are a hassle to adjust. ENO isn't. And it's friendly in the wallet and the peace of mind. You do have to get the hub built to a rum with spokes and nipples, and spoke prep, because it is after all, a hub.

    If you like your frame, and don't want to spend $$$ on another SS specific frame, then get ENO.

    Here's some of my projects: http://www.adventurefind.com/bikes.html

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    Disc ready?

    Can you run disc brakes with the ENO hub? I've heard you could not but it appears from the White Industries website that you can.

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    Quote Originally Posted by CrashCanipe
    Can you run disc brakes with the ENO hub? I've heard you could not but it appears from the White Industries website that you can.
    You can on the non eccentric version. Since the eccentric hub is a flip/flop hub, why make it disc? Keep that in mind.

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    Same problem as you......

    I have had the same problems as you with the singulator. I then realized that you have to tighten the spring till there is very little play. Just enough to get the chain off in the event of a flat. It also gets in the way during wheel removal in the push up position. I went to the soulcraft version but that one slips during very rocky decents. A previous poster has a great suggestion with roughing up the derailler hanger b/f installing the Convert. I like the convert better than the singulator b/c it is easier to repair a flat. You can play with your chainring sizes to get a good fit without using a tensioner.

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    Quote Originally Posted by kustomz
    Am I correct in assuming that the spring loaded feature of a Singleator is for ease of wheel removal? When pedaling on rough ground, the unit is not really effective unless the spring is given full ratchet tension, which no longer allows easy wheel removal. Note, this is with a King cog, new PC58 chain, and a perfect chain line. It just seems like it would perform better if it were one piece and you used a wrench to loosen the pivot bolt each time on wheel removal. I have considered machining an inner sleeve that would eliminate the spring and lock the two halves together. Any thoughts?

    I'm a little confused as to what the problem is. Are you saying that you are unable to achieve both chain tension and ease of wheel removal?

    I don't have that problem. But if it was necessary to compromise wheel removal in order to ensure correct chain tension, then that's fine - it is certainly no harder using a Singleator than it is using regular horizontal drop-outs. If anything it is easier with the SIngleator, though there are other disadvantages.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ernesto_from_Wisconsin
    You can on the non eccentric version. Since the eccentric hub is a flip/flop hub, why make it disc? Keep that in mind.
    Is it really $150? It's more than my entire frame.

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    I don't have a problem with it at all. I just completely remove the track nut and the wheel just slips out...no hassle.

    It's a bigger hassle carrying the wrench.

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    You could have a nice ENO eccentric wheel built by Webcyclery for about two bills.

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