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    Rear disk brake adapter

    I know I have seen this before, but I don't even know how to search for it.

    It's an adapter that either fits in a horizontal dropout, or just around the hub which allows use of a rear disk for those who don't have the tabs. Does anyone know of what I'm describing? Thanks.

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    A2Z Disc Brake Adapter?

    I bought one and put it on my GT Zaskar frame. So far it works perfectly. Not hard to set up and everything fit perfectly. I put BB7s on mine.

    I got mine off of ebay.
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    Quote Originally Posted by skiing9689
    I know I have seen this before, but I don't even know how to search for it.

    It's an adapter that either fits in a horizontal dropout, or just around the hub which allows use of a rear disk for those who don't have the tabs. Does anyone know of what I'm describing? Thanks.
    Yes, A2Z adapters has one for just about anything you could inagine. Some are multi use and will take some playing to get the brakes to line up but, they work.

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    I haev in my possession a Woodman disc brake adapter which uses a proprietary hub that will only work with verticle drop-outs. It worked great for me on my RM Blizzard, but I sold the bike (with rim brakes on it) and kept the adapter. I'll try to post pics later.

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    A2Z disc brake adapter - pics

    a few years ago... after converting an older voodoo wanga frame to ss, i decided to add discs.

    here're a couple pics showing the A2Z installed.

    remarkable, to me anyway, are the way the thinner plate bends around the frame in order to snug up to the thicker plate (by design?), and also you'll see via the side-view pic that there is a movable "flap" -- during installation you rotate the flap into contact w the seat stay (in order to prevent the adaptor from slipping?).

    anyhoo... the system worked just fine for me.

    epilogue: about a year after converting the voodoo, i was fortunate enough to get a wonderful custom vulture ss frame, which i've been happy with since. but looking at the voodoo pics now, makes me long to build that bike back up again. you can never have too many bikes yes?

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    I just installed an A2Z on an older Voodoo frame last week. Anyone have any suggestions for lining it up/adjusting it? I can't get it to where the majority of brake pad surface area is over the rotor.

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    I have a brake therapy disk brake adapter that runs from your brake boss. It is not the lightest thing, but I have not had to adjust it in 2 years. Built very well and their customer service is excellent. I think it is 2 or 3 times the cost of the A2Z. I will take a pic of it tonight.

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    I've used several disc adapters, it's taken me a while to get all the pics collected.


    This is the cheapest one, and it works reasonable well on frames with flat dropout (not Breezer type dropouts).


    The Brake Therapy adapter was one of the 1st, and is still a decent solid device, not cheap, and you need an adapter on the hub as well.


    The Woodman Adapter is similar to the BT version, but it's designed to work with thier special hub. You can use a Shimano hub by shifting the axle. I liked this one the best, easiest wheel changes.


    AtomLab adapter is meant for horizontal wheel mounts only, originally for BMX bikes. Axle needs to be shifted, and it helps to add a torque arm.


    Pauls version (another BT copy) only works with their single speed hub.Wheel removal is a bit of a pain, because the adapter is permanently attached to the hub.


    This is the Specialized SharksFin adapter from their early FSR frame, and it has been used to convert many bikes to disc - our lbs used this for several Kona Hei Hei disc conversions, I have used it on a AMP B4 rear triangle. It requires you to drill a hole near the dropout to bolt on the adapter.

    Then we can get Getto:


    Modified from a BMX stem.


    Made from scratch - on a Santa Cruz Superlite.


    A hacked Woodman adapter to fit an old Catamount.

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    Breezer drop out

    What would work on a breezer drop out?

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    Quote Originally Posted by JediSith
    What would work on a breezer drop out?
    Brake Therapy, Woodman or Pauls. Or a Getto mount made for the frame.

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    That BMX stem one is way cool, thats the kind of enginuity I like.
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    Does Anyone know what hubs can be used with the Brake therapy setup? The page for it has a list http://www.therapycomponents.com/btmoreinfo.htm But it is not specific on what type of hubs (i.e. it says "Shimano XT" is that ALL XT hubs? centerlock or 6 bolt?) Thanks!

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    Quote Originally Posted by moose27e
    Does Anyone know what hubs can be used with the Brake therapy setup? The page for it has a list http://www.therapycomponents.com/btmoreinfo.htm But it is not specific on what type of hubs (i.e. it says "Shimano XT" is that ALL XT hubs? centerlock or 6 bolt?) Thanks!
    The adapter work on any XT hub that has 10mm axle, which is currently all XT disc hubs (as far as I know). Some re-spacing may be necessary on the centrelock hubs. It'll work on most LX and Deore hubs too. I found that the Shimano conversion was never perfect, I could never get the hub to spin as smoothly as the stock cones.

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    As noted above (I forgot about this thread..) I couldn't get the A2Z to line up. I guess I never looked at the picture with the 'flap' rotated around as such. However, the junction of the chainstay and dropout on my Voodoo Bantu ('98 I think) did not allow me to rotate the device clockwise around the skewer far enough to bring the caliper down completely over the rotor. I'm giving the adapter to someone local this week, as I've changed bikes, so I'll let you guys know if it works for him.

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    Thanks for clearing that up! So then do you recommend the DT hub(s) or Chris King?

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    I need a Specialized Shark Fin adaptor SO BAD for my bike. If anyone can find one, PLEASE PM ME!!!

    Thanks!
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    Quote Originally Posted by moose27e
    Thanks for clearing that up! So then do you recommend the DT hub(s) or Chris King?
    Sorry - been on holiday (biking at a place with no cell coverage or internet access!)

    DT or CK, your pick. Both are good hubs, and their current page lists both as current conversions (both worked perfectly on my bikes). The DT conversion does not require pre-load adjustment, unlike the CK hubs.

    Also, thier most recent page (http://www.therapycomponents.com/hublist.htm) indicates that as far as Shimano is concerned, they only recommend the 6-bolt (ISO) hubs.

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    I want to make one

    How do they fit that adapter inside the stays withought making them wider? Do they replace the nut that keeps the left cone in place?
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    Then we can get Getto:



    Lets talk more about that ghetto method of yours
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    Quote Originally Posted by x6thgearwideopen
    How do they fit that adapter inside the stays withought making them wider? Do they replace the nut that keeps the left cone in place?
    They are all different.

    Brake Therapy replaces the outer locknut or hub-end with one that allows the adapter to fit

    Woodman requires you to re-space the axle to 130mm.

    Pauls replaces the outer lock nut with the threaded adapter plate.

    Atomlab says to pry open the dropouts (or re-space the hub a few mm)

    The others do not interfere with the dropout.

    Quote Originally Posted by nuck_chorris
    Lets talk more about that ghetto method of yours
    What do you want to know. The CS were 22mm, bmx bars are 22mm. Hacksaw, file, drill & tap. Thats about it.

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    A2Z Adapter

    I have one of the A2Z adapters that I picked up cheap on E-Bay. I want to try it on an old Kona frame with horizontal dropouts that I’d like to add disc brakes too. Like others have mentioned, I just can’t seem to let this frame go but it is in need of a technology update.

    I contacted A2Z a while back and was told the adapter would in fact work with the horizontal dropouts. I have a set of XT centerlock hubs mated to Sun rims and also a set of Tektro IO disc brakes I picked up cheap that I will use for proof of concept. Right now I’m trying to decide if I can mate the Tektro calibers to centerlock rotors or if I need to buy the “centerlock to six-bolt” adapters and use regular six-bolt rotors. I’ll post some pics once I get all the kinks worked out…. And if anybody has any feedback on the proper rotor type I should be using, I’m all ears…


    Thanks!!!
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    Longer bolts and more spacers work just fine.

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    Can you post some more info about your "ghetto" setup. Which exact BMX stem did you use? Did you then buy a disc adapter? Just any info / pictures from other angles would be awesome.

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    where can I get an A2z adapter?

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    I want to upgrade a Schwinn Home Grown MTB. Does anyone know can I get an A2Z brake adapter or soemthing similar?

    Thanks

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    Try....

    Quote Originally Posted by dsalinas
    I want to upgrade a Schwinn Home Grown MTB. Does anyone know can I get an A2Z brake adapter or soemthing similar?

    Thanks

    Here: http://cgi.ebay.com/A2Z-Rear-Disc-Br...#ht_2443wt_833

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    Here: http://cgi.ebay.com/A2Z-DISC-BRAKE-A...5#ht_500wt_975
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    A word about the A2Z Adapter

    As some have already mentioned in various threads the A2Z Adapter is not exactly the best option for adding disc brakes to a frame that does not already have rear disc tabs.

    In my personal experience the main issue with the A2Z is that the entire adapter & disc caliber will rotate backwards when braking under heavy load (i.e. applying brakes on a hill). In an effort to find a fix and make this adapter work, the first thing I did was to drill a hole through the outside A2Z Adapter plate. The hole was positioned to line up exactly with the frame rack mount. My thought being I could insert a screw and hold the entire adapter in place using the rack mount. That idea proved to be a non-starter for various reasons. What I did end up doing is using a piece of flexible metal, in case a window air conditioner mounting bracket to prevent the adapter from moving. 1st, I cut the bracket to fit. Then I wrapped it around the seat stay and used a screw to tighten the bracket to the adapter. Although its basically a crude band-aid, this fix has been rock solid. I've got about 4 rides on this setup with zero complaints (see attached photo).

    Eventually I plan to upgrade the Tektro's with a pair of BB7's I got from a friend but otherwise I'm happy with the outcome.

    True, the A2Z is not an ideal setup but it can be made to work well.

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    Thanks Ratman!

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    Good job! A2Z + home made torque rod = Brake Therapy Rear disc brake adapter

    i took the idea from brake therapy and made me a torque rod connecting the one of the caliper adapter bolt, through the torque rod to the original v-brake stem. it actually works - makes the whole A2Z adapter and the rear disc very stable under heavy braking situation. and this also proves the concept of how well brake therapy's theory works - the excessive brake force is being distributed to the monostay, not at the tiny little A2Z adapter.

    Parts to make the torque rod:
    - 1 x 120 - 140mm threaded rod
    - 2 x swivel joints
    - some bolts
    + some creativity
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    Thought I would post this mod to my early 90's Zaskar. I've put several hundred miles on it so far, and no complaints, but I guess I'm really more of a front brake guy anyway...

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    I would like to upgrade Kona frame (2004) with rear disc.
    Which adapter type to use? A2Z adapter?
    Is there any other, better choice?





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    94 fisher supercal disc retrofit

    just finished a bolt-on adapter for my old fisher.








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    [QUOTE=slackard]just finished a bolt-on adapter for my old fisher.


    That is the coolest adapter by far. I am trying to mount brakes on a brand new 24" scott that unfortunately does not have flat drop outs. Hence am looking at adapting something specific to this bike. Can I ask what grade metal you used for strength? Also did you machine this or did you do the specs and send it off to a friendly engineer? Cheers

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    Can I ask what grade metal you used for strength? Also did you machine this or did you do the specs and send it off to a friendly engineer?
    My uncle is a retired machinist with a bridge-port in his basement. I took measurements of my dropout (which was cut from flat stock, not one of these fancy cast dropouts you see on modern bikes), drew up the adapter in CAD and went over to my uncle's place to cut it out.

    We started with a .5" thick block of what was probably 2000 series aluminum plate my uncle had lying around.

    Finite Element Analysis in Solidworks (solidworks simulation) gave nearly identical fatigue outcomes for 6061 vs 2000 series Al with this part under normal breaking load, so i didn't have to be picky with materials. No 6061 for me. but were dealing with a solid block not a butted tube.

    My total monetary investment for this project was a subway sandwich, as payment, for my uncle's trouble. The part took a couple hours working on his mill, so expect having something cut at the local machinist will probably cost a penny or 2.

    Best thing to do is find someone with the tools who will do it for some beer, etc ;)

    Side note, this adapter was cut from a solid block simply because i had access to a mill, but the same could have been accomplished with 2 pieces of flat stock cut on a ban-saw then bolted together.


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    Quote Originally Posted by slackard
    My uncle is a retired machinist with a bridge-port in his basement. I took measurements of my dropout (which was cut from flat stock, not one of these fancy cast dropouts you see on modern bikes), drew up the adapter in CAD and went over to my uncle's place to cut it out.



    That is so incredibly cool. Might be a bit far to send a subway sandwich but how would you and you uncle feel about bottles of New Zealand wine?
    p.s. I am only half joking because it would be amazing to get this made. Thanks

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    hah! not too into contracting at the moment.. and not for peanuts either! maybe when im well funded and setup with my own tools.

    The real problem is i dont have your bike to measure the dropout. mine was a simple flat dropout, easy to measure and to mill. it sounds like yours is more complicated. not that it cant be done, but I couldnt say without seeing it and making accurate measurements first.

    something to keep in mind.. drilling holes in your dropout willy-nilly isnt a good idea and you will probably void your warranty. You also risk severely weakening the dropout if drilling too large or in the wrong place.

    Good luck

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    Quote Originally Posted by slackard
    hah! not too into contracting at the moment.. and not for peanuts either! maybe when im well funded and setup with my own tools.

    The real problem is i dont have your bike to measure the dropout. mine was a simple flat dropout, easy to measure and to mill. it sounds like yours is more complicated. not that it cant be done, but I couldnt say without seeing it and making accurate measurements first.

    something to keep in mind.. drilling holes in your dropout willy-nilly isnt a good idea and you will probably void your warranty. You also risk severely weakening the dropout if drilling too large or in the wrong place.

    Good luck
    Where did you get the dimensions for the disc mounting holes? Hayes used to have them on their site, but they are no longer available.

    And how on earth did your uncle get a 3,000 pound Bridgeport milling machine into his basement?
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    Where did you get the dimensions for the disc mounting holes? Hayes used to have them on their site, but they are no longer available.

    And how on earth did your uncle get a 3,000 pound Bridgeport milling machine into his basement?
    Hayes still has the dimensions available. Follow the URL below and find the PDF links in the right hand column titled "INDUSTRY STANDARD MOUNTS"

    http://www.hayesdiscbrake.com/support/


    The BridgPort breaks nicely into several pieces, according to my uncle. Its been in his basement longer than I've been alive.

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    Smile Disc adapters

    Just picked up a Ventana Marble Peak FS. I'm mark'n this thread so as to get here again..

    Think there are /is some great info..

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    Just picked up a Ventana Marble Peak FS. I'm mark'n this thread so as to get here again..
    Hate to be bearer of bad news, but looking at these pics of the bike you mentioned (below), the dropout isnt nearly large enough to allow a bolt-on adapter.. Likewise, given the suspension pivot point is RIGHT THERE, you will have difficulty getting any disc retro-fit to work.


    I ran front disc only for a long time (and still do on my 97 trek 6500), and had nothing to complain about.. the disc adapter I made above was more an exersize in whether it could be done.. it was far from a necessity.

    anyway, good luck.




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    Disc brake Adaptor

    Hi,

    I know there are several disco brake conversion adaptor out there. I am wondering if anyone know what works (have tried it) with an old 98 Cannondale F500 on the rare. Brake therapy? Woodman Disco?

    Also what adaptor would I need (if any) if I get an Avid BB7?

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    Walt will weld on a disc tab and a CS to SS bridge for $75 (plus shipping your frame back and forth). Worth it, IMO.

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    I'd just suck it up and run a V out back.

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    Nice thread.

    This give me idea to make custom adapter.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeorgeHu View Post
    Hi,

    I know there are several disco brake conversion adaptor out there. I am wondering if anyone know what works (have tried it) with an old 98 Cannondale F500 on the rare. Brake therapy? Woodman Disco?

    Also what adaptor would I need (if any) if I get an Avid BB7?

    George

    post some good high quality photos of your rear dropout and we'll let you know if it looks doable.

    Most standard hardtails can run Break Therapy or the Disco, Problem is getting your hands on these items.. theyre very hard to come by afaik since this really is old-tech by today's standards.

    If you do get a working adapter it doesnt matter what brand/model brake you decide to run, avid, hayes, tektro. If you have standard mounting tabs any brake designed for 160mm rotors will work.

    Biggest issues to consider are frame clearance from the rotor, and hub clearance from the adapter.

    If someone out there is welding tabs to aluminum frames for 75$ +shipping that may be a better option. Especially considering most of the retro-fits seen in this thread add a lot of weight for not much benefit.... V-brakes still work as well as or better than disc in a lot of situations.


    Good luck

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    Any Sugestions here?

    Any ideas how to mount disc brakes to a 2004 Trek 9.9 Elite hard tail? I was told it is an old DIsc-0 mount and I need a bracket Trek # 87855 or 210648 but I cannot find either of those anywhere. It is an older 04 Trek 9.9 oclv race frame that I am thinking about building up into my main cyclecross race bike but I have disk brakes for it and want to use them. Any thoughts?

    Thanks for the help.
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    The 210648 is available at your nearest Trek dealer, I had mine check those numbers for you and the 87855 is replaced by the 210648. He said all warehouses have stock of these parts and he even emailed me back with a picture of it. Here you go:
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    Thanks, this is what I was afraid of. There is nowhere for that bracket to bolt onto my frame. I am not sure what else to do though. I was told the two holes on the bottom stay were for a disc brake mount . Any ideas on what to use?

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    That mount is for an old style 22mm Hayes caliper that direct-mounted to those frames. A2Z makes an adapter, but it is widely reported that it contacts the seatstay.

    this is supposedly your answer:
    Torontocycles Disc Brake Adapters, Caliper Adapters, b&s adapters

    From this old thread here:
    trek 9.8 elite - disc capable? need help

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